10 million dollar marketing secrets
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10 Million Dollar Marketing Secrets
Bill: Good morning. Do we have some sleepless nights here? Yeah, yeah typical reaction at live events, which
were very proud of you know. Anything we can do to inflict discomfort Im very happy about because give you
an opportunity to think about your business and to look for things to take back in order to implement rightaway.
And whats really amazing after we do these types of events the kind of feedback that we get, Bill, implemented
just one idea I learned there that put an extra $600,000 in my bank account. Wonderful to see that. And who
here would like to know the 10 million dollar marketing secrets to instantly transform any business or sales
career? Mr. Kennedy continues to amaze me. Every time he puts together one of these talks Im in the back of
the room glued to my chair figuring out, trying to get every word and then I go back and listen to them over and
over and over again, which also reminds if you havent yet done so you can get the CDs of this entire day and
half for I think just $97 dollars. So if you havent filled in that form then do so.
Your about to hear those 10 million dollar marketing secrets. So Mr. Dan Kennedy
Dan: Morning. CNN reported this as a true story a handful of years ago. Ive since been told by some people
it is not a true story. It does negate my love for the story so I prefer to continue to believe its a true story. And
after all if CNN reports it its got to be true right?
So this was on CNN some morning, I forget the city I was in. And as a speaker I found it entertaining. In
Europe they still have the classic three ring circuses where theres something going on in all three rings.Theres a main act in the middle. Theres a side act over here. And theres a side act over here. So you know
the trapeze artist might be in the center ring at the same time as the lions over here and the clowns in the clown
car over here.
So theres this circus performer in Europe, Franz the Midget, who has been, his familys been in circuses. He
was born and raised in the circus and hes been a circus performer for some 30-years and his act is a trampoline
and trapeze act. And because hes so small and dense, the little guy, he can get going on a trampoline and he
can shoot himself like way up in the air and catch a trapeze and swing back and forth and drop back down on
the trampoline and go sailing even higher up in the air. So thats his act.
So hes over in the side ring on one side. Theres something going on the main ring and over in the side ring is
the hippo act where the hippos get up on bicycles and stuff. So Franz is over here doing the same thing hes
been doing day in day out for 20 some odd years doing this trampoline act. And just about the time you think
youve done something so many times that its like impossible to screw it upso hes doing his deal and hes
getting higher and higher and higher and he comes down and he like misses the middle of the trampoline and
he hits the edge and he flies up, his mouth flies in an arch instead of straight up and he flies over the center act
into the open mouth of a hippo.
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Now the hippos are used to be being thrown fish as rewards. So the hippo gets up on a box, he opens his mouth
and the trainer throws him a big fish and he swallows the fish whole. Well Franz coming in at about 35 miles
per hour feels to the hippo like one big fish and he swallows him whole. So Franz goes from trampolines
through the sky into the hippos and down the hippos throat.
The circus people of course rush, grab the hippo and rush the hippo off stage behind, a veterinarian but its too
late. So Franz has died in the stomach of the hippo.
Now the two things that immediately occur to me neither one is sympathy for Franz by the way. But its just
how I think. That actually didnt occur to me for hours but the two things that immediately occur to me are
number one like any time you like think your having a bad day doing whatever your doing, I mean, this guy
gets up does the same act hes been doing for 25 years. By now nothing could go wrong and this guy, I mean,
he gets eaten by hippo. So I mean whatever is happening to you in your office or your sales calls its nothing
compared to this. I mean how do you even call the relatives?
I mean what does that call sound like? The second thing that occurs to me as a performer, somebody who putson events is the massive problem you now have with your word-of-mouth advertising because see the audience
thinks they have just seen the greatest trip in the history of circuses. This is like incredible. The guy sails
through the air, goes into the mouth of the hippo and disappears. I mean this beats the two guys with the lion in
Vegas. This is real magic here right?
So they are all now going home at night telling everybody youve got to go to the circus before it leaves town
because this thing, the midget, the hippo he disappears. Its incredible. So what do you do now? Do you try
and find a midget a day?
I mean exactly how do you deal with this marketing/public relations problem? This was my reaction to theCNN story. It has absolutely nothing to do with what were going to do here this morning by the way. I just
thought it might loosen you up.
So something that does have to do with what were going to do today. You all probably know this story but it
was a starting point from theI mentioned it yesterday, in the way I approach things and the story is that on the
proverbial dark and stormy night in 1917 specific date has long escaped my memory a young writer, Napoleon
Hill, has gotten an interview with Andrew Carnegie, possibly Americas first billionaire. Theres some dispute
about that but certainly one of the first billionaires in America and Carnegie takes a liking to him and
essentially hands Hill a pet project that Carnegie has had in mind for some time. Carnegie believing that there
is actually set principles of becoming wealthy and successful that can be cataloged and learned and taught and
that somebody ought to compile them all.
And so basically Carnegie says to Hill, I can open every door. I can call everybody. I can get you in to see
everybody whos anybody whos achieving great things in our society if your go spend whatever time it takes
to go interview them all and figure out what the commonalities are. The things that they all do alike, not the
things that they do differently and put it together in some kind of an encyclopedia and Ill make the contacts for
you.
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And theres a lot more to that story but that was the set up for them 20 years at work by Napoleon Hill but
spawned, well the encyclopedia was called Laws of Success but then the book Think and Grow Rich, which
really is a condensation of Laws of Success. And so Hill spent 20 years going and spending time with and
interviewing Henry Ford and Thomas Edison and Heidi Firestone and the list is long and long and long and
long.
And the frame that Carnegie gave him was the important frame and I mentioned it yesterday and that is that the
differences amongst all those people just like the differences amongst you. The differences between Sam
Walton and Donald Trump, the differences dont matter although the differences are what are abundant. The
only thing that matters is the very few things that they might all do alike or least similarly the very few things
that they might all believe identically or similarly. And so Hill spent 20 years looking for those things and
ultimately cataloging 17 of them and Im sure youve read it.
The same approach has been taken again and again and again over the years. Tom Peters original In Search of
Excellence book was essentially Think and Grow Rich about companies. What do these great companies have
in common? It turns out that picking became a little more difficult and so if you go get In Search of Excellencetoday unfortunately about five of the excellent companies are now non-existent companies and so they were
excellent only briefly, which is a whole other topic of conversation. But still the process used was the same.
Gene Landrums work which is not as familiar to a lot of people but if your not familiar you should look him
up GeneLandrum.com. Genes work in the behavioral psych of highly successful entrepreneurs is the same
approach. They round up a bunch of them and put them under a microscope and interview them and talk to
their mothers and their sisters and the people who work with them and try and figure out what are the five
things or the seven things or the 12 things or the 14 things that they all do alike?
The same approach has been mine but unlike all of what I just described to you is fundamentally, academicresearch meaning through anecdotal evidence and interviews and observation only we draw conclusions. My
work Ive had the great benefit of being immersed, for more than 25 years, in hands on work with people who
are, for the most part, first generation rich, meaning they didnt inherit the money. They didnt the start with a
pot of money. In many cases they started with little or no money or a negative pot and made their money
through entrepreneurial and marketing and sales efforts.
And my private client base over the 20 some odd years has included about 250 now, 270 people who fit that
description. So theyre first generation. Theyre from scratch. They started some kind of business and they
went fundamentally from zero to a million dollars a year plus incomes and multi-million dollar a year net
worths through their own entrepreneurial efforts. And rather than just interviewing them after the fact Ive
been working with them like from when they started with the real small pot to when they now have a real big
pot, working with them when they done consulting work for 20 years fortwo guys for example who started a
company that did $10 million dollars its first year and last year did $1.6 billion.
The other commonality is a lot of my people do it fast. And so its quite common for the people Im working
with to have the zero pot today and have the million dollar income 12-months from now, not 12-years from
now. So same process of observation but observation from inside and as they went rather than observation
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from outside after the fact. And by the way interviewing people about it after the fact, sometimes they dont
remember or choose not to tell the true story of exactly what they did in order to get what they are. Its called
revisionist history and so we tend to change that story to make us sound better or more interesting or more
palpable or more acceptable.
And so if you will my research that led to the Renegade Millionaire System, which is roughly $500 million,
$600 million dollars worth of peoples achievements that led to everything thats in my Renegade Millionaire
System was hands on, in the trenches, armpit-to-armpit with them, figuring stuff out and applying it as we went
along. Many of these clients, by the way, have been with me continuously for 10, 12, 15-years and so weve
been together from their beginnings to where they are now. I dont mean to discredit Hill or any of the others.
I just make the point that its different.
Now the commonalities, and were only going to talk about the marketing related ones today, of the
commonalities all of what I call Renegade Millionaires have again this handful of things in common. They
have many differences but they have a handful of things in common and these are the categories of the
commonality that I talk about a lot in the system. So, for example, they have all have a particular philosophy.They have a world view, a view point that is very different from the masses, from the majority of folks. Were
not going to talk about that all today.
The other ones we are going to talk about is how they defy industry in the [inaudible], their overall approach to
marketing, which again is very, very different from just about everybody else in their businesses, how they
approach turning ordinary businesses into extraordinary businesses and how they change the way businesses
are done in their category.
So within that framework well talk about 10 big marketing breakthroughs you can borrow from them that are
their commonalities that you can apply to your business and that you can get some spectacular results from.
So number one is that they turn ordinary businesses into extraordinary businesses. Now what does this really
mean? It means that most people approach business and even come to a seminar like this with incremental
improvement in mind, meaning Im in a coffee shop business. How can we get more customers into the coffee
shop? How can we compete more effectively with the coffee shop across the street? Can we inch up our prices
by a dime? How can we get more people to buy two donuts instead of one donut? They approach it from an
incremental improvement standpoint.
The folks I work with approach it from a very different standpoint. How do we take this ordinary business and
make it something entirely different than what it is now? Although it still sells coffee that is infinitely more
profitable and has unique competitive positioning and so forth. Changed the entire business. By the way the
most common thing, and some people whove had the experience, the most common thing that I hear when I
wined up doing one-on-one consulting with clients is that I got here at 8:00 in the morning thinking I was in
business A and I left at 4:00 in the afternoon now in business B-C-D-E-X-Y and Z. The complaint attached
to that is Dan youve created a whole lot of work for me, which is like my best skill.
So if you approach your business with the question of how can I make it better, how can I make it more
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profitable? How can I increase its sales? How can I make it bigger? I submit to you its the wrong question.
Because the questions themselves have limitations. The questions themselves have an incremental
improvement mindset.
I have a client right now, very large company that, also a very dysfunctional company, which somewhat goes
together. I say the bigger they are the dumber they are. And big companies tend to get bigger and bigger and
bigger and dumber and dumber and dumber until theyre like this giant dinosaur that cant get through the
woods anymore and its bumping its head on every tree and very slow and ponderous. And its sort of where
they are but what they said to me at the beginning of the relationship is, Were doing 30% better than our next
closest competitor in our category. And I said, Yeah. But they dysfunctional too.
I mean its like bragging about being the worlds tallest midget.
You still got to wait for somebody else to push the elevator button if you want to go to floor five. So you dont
want to be comparing yourself to that. You want to be looking, for example, at what should I market share be,
what could our market share be? Not, Oh were doing 30% better than these other idiots. Also we takecomfort in the fact that theyre more dysfunctional, screwed up than we are but thats how a lot of people
approach business. We dont approach business that way.
So some of my favorite examples are Disney and Starbucks. I mean Starbucks imagine being in the meeting.
Imagine being in the meeting where everybody gets together and says, Heres what were going to do. Were
going to sell coffee for $8 bucks a cup and were going to sell it in paper cups that are so thin. Well we got to
give them a little paper wrapper to put it under so they dont burn their fingers. And were going to put a bunch
of really slow kids behind the counter so they got to stand in line a long time to give us the $8 bucks so they can
enjoy the ambience of the European bistro environment were going to create. And were going to complicate
the menu so much that just to come in and order [inaudible] were going to create. You need a degree fromMIT. You need to take a memory course and it may take you a half an hour to make the decision. And were
going to open so many of them that you literally can walk out of one, cross the street and walk into the other.
In fact our goal is to get the point to where were opening Starbucks in the mens rooms of Starbucks.
Now get out your checkbook and invest this puppy. Imagine being in the meeting. Youre going to do what?
Its coffee. And imagine now being in the meeting at say the big dumb company Dunkin Donuts when they see
these guys start. Can you imagine this? Everybody is like walking around celebrating the morons over at
Starbucks who think they are going to get people to pay $8 bucks for a cup of coffee. And theyre still
befuddled. I guarantee you their meeting yesterday was, We got better coffee. And they do but they dont
get it. See its not about that.
So Lynns in the coffee shop business but Schultzs only like barely in the coffee shop business. Thats clearly
not what Starbucks is about. You could spend hours talking about what it is about but we could all agree it isnt
about getting a cup of coffee because clearly theres a lot of places you could go faster, cheaper, better to get a
cup of coffee.
Dominos, that other favorite of mine, Monahan. See it isnt about the pizza. Everybodys got, you
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knowDominos originally ESP was fresh, hot pizza delivered in 30-minutes or less guaranteed. It didnt say
anything about good pizza. Well theres a reason for that.
Well what? Everybody knows you can get better pizza anywhere in America. Will that be in Chicago? I mean
you can be in a middle of cornfield in Iowa, theres a better pizza available than Dominos. They just started
their 10,000th store. He reinvented the whole business because he made it about the delivery and the delivery
time, not about the pizza. Everybody else get in the pizza business theyre also talking about the pizza.
Theyre all having meetings talking about our crust is better than this guys crust and we got a better recipe.
And I said, No, no, no, no. Lets just, and by the way brilliantly, something people dont know about
Dominos, all the original locations beginning with the failing one that he started with, were around college
campuses. So the deliver ESP was really cool because you got a lot of people in them dorms who have smoked
a bunch of funny stuff.
And at some point in time they are desperate for carbohydrates. They are completely incapable of going out
and getting any.
They want them fast. They could care less about good. Very capable of discerning good.
The guy pulls out of the kitchen cabinet, sits on the floor, eats the box of Corn Toasties and the box. So it
doesnt make any difference. So the 30-minutes or less was perfectly matched to the market. Well thats how
you take an ordinary business, an ordinary mundane business in a saturated cluttered field. So when Howard
Schultzs started Starbucks was there any place in America that there was a shortage of places you could get
coffee? Everybodys sitting around saying, Man we're 500 miles from coffee. I wish somebody would open
up a place here we could get coffee.
When Dominos started was there any place where there was a shortage of pizza? Everybodys sitting aroundsaying, Oh my God, you know I havent had a good pizza in 30 years because you can only get one in
Chicago and Italy. If only here in Cleveland there was some place we could get a pizza. Its the biggest
section in the Yellow Pages, biggest one. Pizza, [inaudible]. Those are the two biggest sections.
So there wasnt any shortage. Its mundane, ordinary business made into an extraordinary business. Not an
incrementally better business. Thats a big shift in thinking. I have a quick list here of some people in our
group that demonstrate the principle in different ways.
Two people in the restaurant business who are both clients of a client of mine, Rory Fatt at Restaurant
Marketing Systems. Rene Norris has a kind of restaurant but in a very small market, very small. Diane Kotu
has a pizza place that isnt even dine in. Its take out or delivery. Its gourmet pizza.
Now heres what the two of them have done. Theyve implemented continuity in their restaurants. Continuity
meaning [inaudible] big money. Those of you who are Inner Circle members are very familiar with this
concept. You just wouldnt expect to find it in a restaurant. I forget Renes numbers. I know Dianes. You
join the club and then on the first day of every month you get your credit back for $29.95 until, unless you say,
Dont do that anymore. And you get in the mail $39.95 worth of coupons that could be spent during the
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month on different and sundry products at different and sundry times all incidentally requiring you to spend
more money in order to use them.
You get the newsletter, which really the business should send anyway. You get some special offers during the
month that are for members only and you get a special phone number, this is the Disney shorter line plan. You
get a special phone number thats for members only so that like at peak times when everybodys trying to get a
pizzaso like Super Bowl Sunday the regular line, of course everybodys getting a busy signal. So you can
use the members only line and wait in line for a shorter period of time during the busy signal in order to get in,
in order to order your pizza. Thats what you get for $29.95 a month.
Now if theres 200 members there is $6,000 dollars a month of income on the first day of every month before a
pizza oven has been turned on, a box has been pulled off the shelf, a piece of crust has been made. Thats
$72,000 a year of locked in, automatic income before anybody sells or delivers a pizza. Furthermore it forces
everybody because now theyve got these coupons theyve paid for to spend money all month long. It
increases their frequency of purchase. It increases their repeat visit. It increases word-of-mouth advertising
because they cant use other coupons so they give some of their coupons to somebody else. So really thecoupons dont cost anything. None of it cost anything. The $6,000 dollars a month is 100% net. So theres
$72,000 dollars a month of 100% net created in this business that yeah its a restaurant but you understand its
no longer an ordinary restaurant. Its really about something very different than an ordinary restaurant.
Rene who has a banquet room in her restaurant sells now the memberships in her club, which she has two
levels, the way I sell product from the front of the room to you. She invites people into the banquet room in a
group or does a group presentation and sells them all in the restaurant business. This is how you turn an
ordinary business into an extraordinary business. You leave the core business there, okay were in X. But
now there are a lot of radical things we can do that nobody in X would ever dreamed up.
Paul Johnson and Bob Higgins was here. Bobs in a painting business and Paul was in the back yard shed
business. You cant be any two more mundane, boring, ordinary commoditizedpick something. I mean a
back yard shed. If you go over to Home Depot or Lowes theres a bunch of them sitting out in the parking lot
on skids that you can buy to take home and put up and you can buy them pretty cheap.
Pauls sheds are selling for roughly the equivalent of a room addition. And hes in northern California.
Theyre selling for as much as $20, $25,000 dollars for a shed. I think the average sale price is about $8,000
bucks. Its a shed.
But whats different is the marketing. And so for example somebody calls up any other shed company and
says, Send me some information. They send him a price list and then they send him a little crappy tri-fold
brochure with little drawings of their sheds in it, the specs.
Paul sends a DVD that is a half hour show room aid interviewing happy people in their back yards with their
sheds showing what theyre doing with their sheds. And one person has it as their doll house because they
always wanted a doll house when they were a kid and their parents would never give them one, so now shes
got a full size dollhouse. Its a little creepy but
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Its not like I was going to date her just there to shoot the show. Theres a book that goes in the package which
is all stories of shed shovers, shed lovers.
We call itgot new glasses now my teeth dont work. So this is like the book of Chicken Soup for the Shed
Lovers Soul and its these big emotional stories of these people who are, who say, We got out of this shed
business. We got into the emotion business and we made price irrelevant.
Doctor Charlie Martin was on my list, hes a cosmetic dentist in Richmond, Virginia and Charlies average case
size last year was over $35,000 dollars. His biggest case I think was $112,000 dollars last year. You could go
into any dentist in Richmond, Virginia, probably any cosmetic dentist in Virginia, quite possibly any cosmetic
dentist in the tri-state area and get quote the same work unquote done for 30 to 50% less.
Now the first requirement to set across the desk from a patient and quote a $70,000 dollar fee is the same
requirement the copywriter fees. It is the ability to maintain a straight face when you quote the fee. But you
have to go practice that in front of a mirror. Its a thing you dont take for granted. Its the same skill that
injury lawyers have when people come into the office and five members of the family have been hit by a trainand theyre telling them the story of how the lawyer has to go into the mens room, lock the door in the sound
proof room and go, Ca-ching. He cant do it in front of the client because it follows them.
So theres a certain thing you want to do with your face. But beyond that I dont think; now Charlie is a very
good dentist. Hes an outstanding cosmetic dentist and Id go to him as my dentist. I get on an airplane every
time I go to the dentist in order to go there. And I hate getting on airplanes. But I dont think hes a 100%
better than the next closest cosmetic dentist, I doubt it. But his practice is an extraordinary business. The way
the patient is handled, the environment from the grand piano playing in the lobby when you arrive to for the
female patients, the paraffin treatments, the massage chairs, the on and on and on and on.
I mean how do you know youre in a dentist office until the first time, you know. Painless dentistry by the way
means its painless for the dentist.
Bill who spoke to you yesterday, so I wont be labeled the point, but see by the time he got done with the
meetings, with all the marketing for his menswear stores the only thing they had in common with every other
menswear store was they happened to sell mens clothing.
But the business wasnt about that. The business was about by appointment selling. The business was about
direct marketing. Now the remaining story of the business is about a membership that people have to pay for
the privilege to be able to come in and buy things.
Darin Garmin, Im going to talk a little bit more about Darin but Darins an interesting guy because hes a,
fundamentally a commercial real estate broker in the middle of Iowa. He sells apartment buildings and
commercial properties in Iowa, which is probably the least exciting place in the world that you could be selling
real estate. I mean like Vegas, Florida, high rise condos, water, 400% appreciation, celebrities, Florida real
estate, 80% of which he is selling to investors from California, Florida, Las Vegas, Tokyo and last year 73% of
every commercial transaction in his marketing area went through his office.
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Why ordinary business to extraordinary business by going from local to national, by selling what it is that he
sells to people from outside of his market area instead of those inside his market area. Everybody has some
kind of rule about their business. All of our customers come from four square miles around our place.
Everybody always tells me their rules. All of our customers come from four square blocks around our place.
All of our business comes from within our city. All of our business comes from within this demographic. Well
thats how you keep an ordinary business and make it incrementally better.
You figure out how to get a few more of those people within that four square blocks and do business with you.
And you figure out how to stretch the four square blocks to five square blocks. But if you figure out how to
stretch the four square blocks to the globe now maybe you can do something. Dont have time to talk about Al.
Second big idea define industry norms. Now Ill tell you something about this, not only do the most
successful people I work with defy them, they take a perverse personal joy in doing so. So not only does it
have practical payoff, theres a certain psychic satisfaction from driving everybody else in their industry,
profession or niche stark raving mad, befuddling them, having them aggravated. These people take a perverse
joy in this. But heres why its so important to any industry norms. Heres what conforms to industry normsguarantees average results.
Because industry norms are all based on the average, the median, what does everybody do? So heres how
everybody gets in a business by the way. So whatever business youre in heres what happened when you got
in. The same thing that happens if youre in junior high school or high school that you transfer from one school
to the other. You spend your first few weeks looking around to see how are things done around here.
What do the cool kids do? How do I conform in order to be accepted? Thats what everybody does when they
join a business. So when you got real estate and you got in dog grooming or you got in whatever it is you got
into you pay attention to what everybody else in that business was doing and you made a point of conforming.Every real estate agent in the office has their picture in the top left hand corner of a business card. Guess what
your business card looks like? Its got the picture in the top left hand corner of the business, business card.
And if you get in ambitious about making that better you get a better picture. You dont decide, Im not even
going to use business cards. Screw them. So that you dont think about that. You just think about, How can
I make the business card better. Not, Im not going to have a business card.
I havent had a business card in 25-years. Everybody always ask me for a card. I say, I dont have a business
card. When I spoke with Zig on the tour always be a clump of people afterwards and I would always offer
product because I [inaudible]. And so theres a couple of people afterwards asking questions and there was
always a couple pushing their card at me and can I have your business card? And I say, I dont use business
cards. Huh? I dont use business cards. I havent had a business card in 25-years. How am I supposed to
contact you? I said, Well you just heard my best 90-minutes. Its the best I got. You got a chance to get the
lowest price thing I offer. If after my best 90-minutes youre not going to get the lowest price thing I offer to
start a relationships why on earth do I want you contacting me and clogging up my office later?
Thats why I dont use business cards. Well seriously thats why I dont use business cards. Now about half
the people walk away shaking their heads, you know, thinking Im an idiot and the other half walk away POd
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and offended and irritated but see everybodys got a business card. What do you mean you dont have a
business card? How could that possibly be? I know tradeshows have business cards. [Inaudible] business
card. No I dont use them. Im going to make you write it down on a piece of paper. Its like a test. Because
if they cant manage to follow-up with me without me giving them a business card I dont want them as a
vendor because theyre going to screw other stuff up later.
Lets find out first if they can follow these instructions before they try to get them following instructions when
Im giving them money. Lets try this one all right? Thats all it is.
So industry norms. Everybody who makes a lot of money defies them. Everybody who makes average money
conforms to them. In fact if you want a good exercise heres a great exercise. Heres a great strategy heres a
take home. Go home, get a pad. If you need help get some of your employees or your peers or your buddies
together and make a master list of everything that is an industry norm in your business - how things are priced,
how things are sold, how things are delivered, how things are advertised, how things are marketed, what
contracts are used. Just try and identify and isolate and annunciate every industry norm that people in your
business conform to. In most businesses you should be able to compile a list of hundreds of items.
Then try and figure out how you can defy as many of them is as humanly possible. You will transform your
income in direct proportion to the number you manage to violate. Im deadly serious. Ive done it all my life.
Started in advertising business. The norm in the advertising business, heres the industry norm, the norm in the
advertising business, just had a conversation the other night with somebody from Sache and Sache about this
whos still doing this after 20 years trying to break him of it. He went onto the advertising businesses,
company calls up and says, Weve decided to change agencies and we need some new advertising and we
need some new marketing.
And they tried like 30, 40 different ad agencies and marketing guys and copywriters through there and theneverybody does presentations on spec, meaning for free everybody goes back and creates ads for this company
and then they all come back and show them to him. Some of him who are really smart then keep the agency
they got but take the best ideas from everybodys free work and hand them to the guys they already got.
But everybody else works for free. I did it once. I said, I dont like this. I kind of was planning on getting
paid. So my norm immediately became - heres how a new client relationship begins. You come for a day of
consulting. You pay a fee for that day. At the end of the day if we go forward with project work the fee for the
day applies to the bigger for the project work. I dont do free lunch. I dont do free breakfast. I dont do free
phone. I dont do free anything. You pay. You come.
You pay currently $12,800 dollars essentially for a full day sales presentation so that I can figure out what you
need and sell it to you. Now this is unheard of in advertising. And immediately everybody says, Well you
may be able to do that with entrepreneurs but youre never going to be able to do that with corporate clients. I
dont like corporate clients but Ive had lots of Fortune 500 clients over the years.
I sat in a boardroom at Weight Watchers, they were owned by Heinz, and they had their ad agency there. They
had two other ad agencies doing a bunch of stuff on spec and they had me who they were paying $9,000 dollars
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to be in the room. And the other ad agency folks found out about it they were like, one of them comes to me in
the restroom and he says, I dont understand this. How are you getting paid to be here? I said, Because I
wouldnt come if I wasnt getting paid.
Well then he says, Thats not the way things are done in the advertising business.
Get it. Get it. Hes not the only guy in a mens room today saying, Thats not how things are done in our
business. But Im the one with $9,000 dollars in my pocket. Youre the one working for nothing. Maybe
mine is better.
All right? There are two great examples.
Ben McGowan who started MCI. When Ben McGowan started MCI there was a belief in this country, a law
everybody thought, that long distance telephone service was a monopoly granted by the government to AT&T
and the Bell companies. So no one ever tried to get in the long distance business. McGowan said, Show me
the law. I hear all the time from clients, Oh we cant do that, its against the law in our business. Nine outof 10 times I say, Show me the law. There is no law. Theres a belief theres some nitwit trade association
somewhere whos telling them, This is the way things are done in our business. But there isnt any law.
Then McGowan said, Show me the law. And nobody could find the law in a week. He said, Were getting
in the long distance business.
Initially the FCC called up and said, You cant be in the long distance business. We got that deal with AT&T
and the Bell companies. Well show me the deal. Nobody couldthey didnt have a deal. But Im staying in
the long distance business. For better or worse revolutionized the telephone industry.
Heres some quick things. Ill mention a few clients and Ill mention a few things. When I started doing a lotof work in chiropractic in the late 70s teaching marketing to chiropractic, prepaid was unheard of. Prepay
means that when you come into a chiropractors, how many of you have been to a chiropractor? How many are
chiropractors? Got to be a few. Okay. No offense intended. You know I love you guys.
I wouldnt be up here without a chiropractor. Im serious. But so the chiropractic drill is you go to the
chiropractor, they take some x-rays and they fill around with you and then they bring you back and they put the
x-rays up on a light box and they show you how your spines falling out. And you got to come in 14 times a
week for the first three weeks and nine times a week for the next 62 weeks and twice a week for the rest of your
life deal or you spines going to fall out and pretty soon your going to be crawling around on the ground like an
ameba.
Thats called, by the way, the report of findings. Thats what thats called in chiropractic language. And then
heres where the whole thing falls apart. Then most of them say to you, Lets schedule your first
appointment. And you come and go as you please fundamentally. So you pay as you go, you show up, you
dont show up, everybodys got a bunch of missed appointments. You got an appointment, you dont show.
Everybodys chasing you. Well, you create a prepay. Prepay is...chiropractor says to you, You got to come in
46 times a week for the 14 weeks and that all totals up to $18,642 dollars. You can take care of that by
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prepaying it or you can pay it in thirds. Which would you like to do?
At the time you wouldve thought we had proposed branding the Bible. I mean it was like people marching
with torches to stop prepay in chiropractic. It became a norm. It became a norm. The people who got good at
it could take a practice that was doing $10,000 a month and go to a $100,000 dollars a month in a month. Its
only 10 sales. It isnt that big a deal. Theres magic in transaction size and incidentally better now, better for
the doctor, better for the patient because guess what? When you prepay $18,600 bucks you tend to show up.
You tend maybe actually do those exercises they give you to do at home every morning because I mean I gave
the guy eighteen-six. Maybe. Maybe I should pay attention.
Closed door medical and dental practice. Those are becoming common. Its going to change the whole health
care system in America. Its having such an impact the AMA is having meetings now trying to figure out how
to get it outlawed because its not democratic. You shouldnt actually be allowed to say, Im only going to
take 120 patients and Im going to hand pick them. Because what about Barbara who doesnt get to be your
patient? Thats the AMAs current position by the way. Theyre racing to try and figure out how to make this
law because these things are catching on.
And the way a closed door practice works is you have to pay a fee, $3,000, $5,000. I have one client he
charges each patient $15,000 dollars a year to be allowed to be a patient and he only takes a hundred. And now
hell actually spend 40-minutes with you. You can actually get him. Hell actually go to the hospital and make
sure they dont kill you if you happen to be in there. Thats a very useful service by the way.
Continuity versus subscription. Core thing in our business, now spreading to all kinds of other businesses but
see in the newsletter business if you get other newsletters most newsletter companies, even the successful ones
are still clueless about this. Theyre still actually selling you a two year subscription and then trying to renew
you with another duffle bag and another 46 pieces of direct mail.
See we get you once and we just charge you for life. There is no renewal when you do continuity. It changes
everything. Some folks on my list. Tracy Tollison is here. I dont know ifall the way in the back. Tracys
in the back. Tracys a mortgage broker. He deals only with realtors. Thats the first defy industry norm and
most mortgage brokers by the way will tell you they [inaudible] with realtors, and they are but he deals only
with real estate agents. Turns his cell phone off everyday at 5:00. Wont talk to a borrower until they have
been prescreened by the agent and explained how you do business with Tracy. And most importantly doesnt
take any calls, doesnt return any calls, doesnt check any e-mail, doesnt communicate with anybody in any
way over a weekend.
Now real estate agents are sitting at open houses over the weekend. They have in their head if they got a hot
prospect they got to like get them financed like right now. Everybodys got a jump through hoops right now
but hes trained his real estate agents who all have to join a club in order to be allowed to do business with him,
how to do business with him in a way he wishes to do business.
Everybody in the mortgage industry will say you cant do it. But in fact weve proved that we can. Dont have
time to tell you the rest of the stories.
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Number three positioning. Positioning is simply about you have to stake out some territory in the market
place that you can own. My Renegade Millionaire clients look for a piece of space in the market that they can
own. Sometimes they have to completely reinvent their business in order to do it. My favorite current
reinvention story, the big example, is Subway.
I admire them immensely for pulling this off. They have managed to take a fast food place and make it a
weight loss business. They are actually showing people giant loaves of bread.
Huge loaves of bread dripping with some kind of sauce and convincing people theyre running Jenny Craig
over there.
Its incredible and brilliant. Didnt occur to them, by the way, you know the kid went to them. They didnt
find him. So dont give the big company too much credit but at least enough credit to think about it when they
saw it. Theyre in the weight loss business with four of them sandwiches for $12.95 if you buy them before
4:00 on Sunday.
So yeah Jareds like eating the little four incher one. See I dont see too many people eating them. I see them
going in there buying two of them big hunkin ones and eating both of them.
With two bags of chips and two 412 ounce Cokes.
They aint exactly the Jared Plan. But think about it, they put, theyve staked out territory. None of their
competitors have and now its extremely difficult for any of their competitor to get into it with a radical position
in the pitch.
For years the lingerie business was all about Fredericks of Hollywood and 90% of the customers were men and10% were professional exotic dancers. Regular women didnt buy the stuff. Fredericks of Hollywoods entire
marketing approach did not appeal to most women and in fact most guys gradually discover its not even
particularly welcomed as a gift.
One of two things happens it goes into a drawer and disappears into a black hole and you never see it again
and at some point it dawns you, Hey what happened to that. Its gone. Or you hear, Thats a gift for you,
not for me. Thats in the wife play book. Its on page 12.
Victoria Secret came along and repositioned the business to be pleasant and acceptable and palatable to women.
Now theyve screwed it up lately. Their sales are suffering and now theyre trying to fix it. Heres what they
did. Look at the stupidity of this. To incrementally grow their business theyd go hire people from Fredericks
who come in in Fredericks eyes, Victoria Secret. Now thats no good. The whole plate was that it wasnt
Fredericks. And all the women know exactly what Im talking about. So they created a different environment.
They createdthe catalogs look different. The stores look different. The presentation looked different.
Different position, same position, different position.
Carnival Cruise Lines is a doing a great job right now with an advertising campaign to make cruises not about
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old people with walkers. Because typically thats the cruise customer, historically the cruise customers been
save up my money for my entire life and then take the cruise of our life and everybodys in a walker. Some
have actually surprised me; they have buffets because its like difficult you know. However this is true because
I saw it on a Celebrity Cruise. I dont know where they got it but its apparently a common problem. I saw
people with a tray that clamps on the front of the walker that they can put the stuff on and then push their
walker over to the table. I didnt know it existed but I made a note because at some point in time Im going to
want to eat too, you know?
But Carnivals doing a great job repositioning the cruise with the jump off the boat, use the jet skis, climb the
rock wall, take an adventure. Theyre trying to carve out a different place in the market. Heres some of the
ways you can do it theres a long list. In my Renegade Millionaire System theres 52 different ways to
position or reposition a business. Sometimes you only use one, sometimes you stitch them together. Here are a
few good quick examples.
Bill Hammond is a client of mine. Hes been a client of mine for years. Bill is an attorney and I always; I
typically dont like to work with him. First of all I feel guilty about helping him. Andbut we had him in mycoaching groups, in seminars I always say likein one of my coaching groups for two years we had three of
them and they all sat together because no one wants to sit with them.
But still hesof all the attorneys in the world hes like one of the least offensive. Bills positioning is what I
call extreme specialist meaning theres a category in law called Estate Law, which attorneys typically deal with
doing estate plans. Then theres sort of a related small sub-section category called Elder Law, which has come
about kind of in connection with the baby boom generation becoming elder. So sometimes Elder Law
sometimes includes estate planning but it also has to do with Medicaid issues and nursing home issues and all
that.
Hes created a sub-section of a sub-section of the sub-section and his law practice is Alzheimers family law.
And so it is only working with families who have had that elder in the family who either has been diagnosed
with or who they believe is soon to be with Alzheimers and all the stuff youve got to do, which is essentially
Medicaid planning, nursing home planning, wealth rearrangement, estate planning, its all the same services
that are over here provided more generically but they become worth four times the few when theyre positioned
as coming from an extreme specialist.
Ron LeGrand who youll have an opportunity to hear tomorrow, it all becomes a blur to me. Ron one of his
great positioning in the get rich in real estate role, which those of you who are from southern California, and I
know there are some here who are driving back and forth from southern California, theres like what 10 get rich
in real estate seminars a day in L.A.? I mean flip the dial. I mean while I was getting dressed this morning Bob
Allens infomercials on one channel. This guys infomercials on. Russ Whitneys on another one. You dont
see Tom anymore, the guy in the hot tub with the babes in the bikini because hes in jail.
And they have a rule about running the show while your away but its a very crowded, cluttered field right?
And so Rons positioning in the field brilliantly has a lot to do with what hes not about. Thats a positioning
device. Rather than talking about what you are, you talk about what you arent. So Ron, for example, is all
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about quick turn real estate which means hes not about buying and holding it. Hes not really talking about the
real estate business. Hes talking about the cash business. The last thing he wants to see anybody do is like
own it. Its like barely touch it. So his positioning is what he is not about.
Reverse of norm is another positioning technique. I have a Platinum member whos doing very, very well in
another crowded category, the sale of information, training, coaching, etc. to single men who need to know
how to connect with women. In case you didnt know it this is a very crowded, cluttered field. Theres
seminars just like this, $3,000 dollar seminars, $5,000 dollar seminars, people fly in for $15,000 dollars
coaching. There are books, theres tapes, theres famous gurus, theres websites and all of the positioning is
how to pick up women.
It started with a guy by the name of Eric Weber from southern California some 25 years ago. All the
positioning in that industry one way, shape or form is how to come up to you and convince you to do
something from the polite end of the extreme, lets go have coffee, to the very impolite end of the extreme, lets
go do something else. All the positioning is that.
Johns positioning is a reverse. And so his business is WomenApproachYou.com. So his business is all about
how you get women to approach you. Reverse position.
Craig Proctors USP dont have time for.
Okay number four process change. Im going to touch on this very quick to bring myself a little time.
Process change within every business, within in any sales career there are a bunch of processes being used.
Another good exercise, it relates to the use of this idea is you need to go home and make a list of all the
processes that are being used in your business. So for example theres a process in your business for how the
phone is answered and a new customer, new client or new prospect is treated when they call. You have such aprocess.
A you may not have been aware that was a process and you may have just been letting it happen however it
happened. Or let Betty do it however Betty does it or you may know its a process and actually have
diagramed out a little process for whats supposed to happen and have a script. But it probably isnt happening
the way you designed it.
Or it may not be as good a process as could be and you havent really spent a lot of time on it but nevertheless it
is a process. Theres a process for what happens in a retail store at the cash register when somebody comes up
to pay for their goods. Theres processes upon processes upon processes upon processes. Theres enormous
opportunity in focusing on process change. Whats the process? How can we do it better? Should we
substitute an entirely different process for it?
Got a list here of just some examples. In the 1950s a different process was created at the retail level for how
people pay for merchandise. Retailers figured out a way to get people to pay for it in advance with installment
payments instead of buying it and then paying for it later with installment plans. Its called lay-away plans.
Now theyve just about gone away today but in the 1950s and into the 60s they were huge. The way your
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parents bought a washing machine or bought a new couch is they went down and they picked it out at Sears.
They opened up a lay-away plan and they paid $25 bucks a week into their lay-away plan account until the
$400 bucks for the couch was in there. Then they picked up the couch. It was a revolutionary thing in its
time. It changed the process of how people buy and pay for things. It didnt change the business. They were
still selling the couch.
One step selling to lead generation. A lot of businesses their process is run an ad, get somebody to come in.
Buy something. Problem with that is the only people coming in are the people ready to buy something this
weekend. So all the people who looked at the ad and have some level of interest to maybe buy that something
they arent ready to buy it right now. They were wasted. You paid money to put an ad in front of them. You
paid money to get them to look at it but you dont know who they are and you have no relationship and you
cant follow them. You cant follow up on them.
So the change to lead generation kind of advertising that says, You dont got to be ready to buy anything right
now but if you have some kind of interest call this number, go to this website and well send you a bunch of
stuff, and then you can start a relationship with them. Thats changed many, many businesses for the better.
A simple thing like the free recorded message. So youll see in the Yellow Pages ad now, youll see the regular
number so like a plumber ad. Youll see the ad to call if you want to talk to a live human being in the
plumbers office. So like my toilet is stopped up and I need a plumber right now, Im calling a plumber. But
maybe Im in the Yellow Pages because Im thinking about remodeling the basement that Im going to put in a
shower and a toilet down there and Im sort of looking and getting information.
Well now therell be a second number for that. You can call our toll free recorded message and hear the seven
mistakes people make when they buy new bathrooms for their basements. And you can get a free report 27
Smart Questions to Ask a Plumber Before you Permit Them to Enter Your House. Okay? So thats the use ofa toll free recorded message to double, triple, quadruple the power of an advertisement.
Single sale to continuity
10 Million Dollar Secrets to Instantly Transform any Business or Sales Career
All TV these days, the infomercial business where Ive done a lot of work. You know the annoying shows that
at 2:00 in the morning when your resistance is down sell you things that youll never use, neverthe mixer, the
ab chair, which is the funniest.
I like Jake but its the funniest of any. Its a lawn chair. I mean the ab chair. You set in the chair and you bend
over. I could do that in this chair.
I mean really have we gone so far. The things got a little spring in it that as you start to pull forward kind of
pushes you. Really have we gone so far? What amazes me is, the big mistake he made is he didnt put a cup
holder in it. Shouldve had a cup holder.
Well look in case you dont know this, this is a rule if you ever get in the fitness equipment business. All
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fitness equipment sold on television, all of it, it must have handles that point your curve up. You know why?
Its not federal law. Its because if they curve down when you hang the clothes on them they fall off on the
floor and people are unhappy with the fitness device that they bought.
The other thing is a fitness device must fold up to slide under the bed because thats where its going to go and
you want it under there so it doesnt get returned. See if its sitting up there staring at you eventually people
like to return it.
Anyway in the infomercial business huge breakthrough was continuity. So like my client Guthy Renker, see
you cant buy a box of Pro Active, the acne block from the TV show. You cant do it. You have to join the
club and get auto shipped supply of glop. Now what weits a professional term glop. Its an insider
language.
So you cant just buy one thing of glop. You can sign up for glop for life. Now you got to stop the glop. A lot
of people dont. I shot an infomercial years ago for another acne product, a skincare product rather, the regular
skincare stuff and we were looking for testimonials. We find a three generation family. And so grandmasusing this stuff, mommas using this stuff and her daughters are using this stuff. Theyre all in Tennessee. Its
a great story.
Fly them all in for the shoot. Well grandma, grandmas in her 90s and so first of all grandma has shrunk. Shes
really small. And her skin isshe looks like a Sharpe dog all right? I mean grandmas just got [noise] and so
Im doing a preview and grandma says, Ive been getting this product every month for 14-years. And when I
started my daughter used some of it and then my granddaughters started to use some. But then my daughter
signed up and gets her own supply and now my granddaughters they get their own supply. It keeps coming
every month and I dont go out as much I used to and my face is smaller. I dont need as much of it. She said,
The closets full and Ive got some down in the basement next to the jelly jars. Its all I can do not to say,Hon you can stop. But my client is this skincare deal and grandmas getting a shipment every month for
$39.95 and shes going to get it until they close the door baby.
So a lot of people wont stop, choose to do direct response business on TV but its just a process change. Were
still selling glop. The only thing we changed was from optional, you can join the club to you are joining the
club. Thats all that changed.
Options in the second sale after the sale. Ill do this real quick because it happened to me the last time I bought
a car. I didnt see it before. Im sure now its; a lot of car dealers do it. I just wasnt aware of it but its
brilliant.
It used to be when you bought a car they pitched you on all the options when you bought the car and bundled it
all into the financing. So a few years ago I go by. Im not a new car a year guy. I was when I was young. Im
not now. So Ive had the same car for like eight years. So I hadnt seen this. So now I go buy new Ford
Explorer and I go to pick it up at the dealer and before they let you have it they take me back to the after market
specialization consultant. You have to have a meeting with them. Its not a choice. Back you go.
This guy now sells all the options you didnt buy when you bought the car. Its the Pimp Your Ride stuff. Its
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the better wheel covers. Its the better stereo. ItsI mean its the, I see you didnt get undercoating. Do you
realize in Ohio without undercoating two years, long before youve paid off the car its going to be a Fred
Flintstone car?
Youre going to have little feet and your going to be pedaling down the road through the [inaudible]. You
dont want to do that do you? They sell like five; $6,000 dollars worth of options after the whole things done.
Then you go back to pick it up, second sale after the sale. Brilliant, incredible. Think of all the businesses that
could apply to.
Okay heres a biggie. This is like the biggie of the day. This is something that went on almost with no thought.
It does require some kahoonies but almost with no thought. You can go home and immediately increase both
the income and the value of your business. Heres all you got to do the strategy is price change. Thats all
you got to do. I made more people more money by getting them to raise their prices than by anything else Ive
done.
Make a note. Every marketer grossly underestimates the elasticity of price and neglects the percentage of theircustomers who will cheerfully buy a higher priced premium option of what they sell if it is offered to them.
They leave a lot of money on the table by not offering a leather bound addition of the paper bound addition or
some version there of; a blue door you can walk through in the back instead of the red door in the front.
In 1978 when I moved to Phoenix there was a very popular nightclub in Phoenix, big long rope line in the front
where you could buy a card for $500 bucks a year that allowed you to stand in the rope line in the back. Well
whos going to buy a card for that? A lot of people based on the length of the rope line in the back. In fact
some nights the rope line in the back was longer than the one in the front and I walked around and got in
around the front.
People will buy a premium option. Price is also very elastic. Most people dont understand how elastic price is
in part because they do what I talked about earlier, how do you set your prices? How you figure out pricing
your business to start with? Heres what most people do. They look around at what everybody else in their
business is charging.
And then if theyre really gutsy they try and be a little higher than the average or if they think they can buy
volume they try and do a little more than the average.
Heres the power of transaction size. Its a very simple example but you ought to put it up on a wall where you
see it. How do you get to each million dollars your business produces? Well you can get there with one
transaction if you can sell somebody something for a million bucks. If youre going to sell somebody
something for $100 bucks youre going to need to make 10,000 sales.
Making a million dollar sale is not 10,000 times however; it is not. Im not saying Starbucks could figure out
how to make a million dollar sale. They have figured out how to sale a cup of coffee for $8 bucks. They didnt
do that by saying, Lets see Dennys is $0.55 cents, Dunkin Donuts is $0.72 cents. Oh boy lets be really
courageous and try $0.79. That isnt how they got there.
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Omaha Steaks how many of you buy from Omaha Steaks? Good for you. Everybody ought to get good
steaks. Theyre come in Styrofoam box delivered right to your door. How many of you, you Omaha
customers, how many of you buy hamburgers from them? How many of you buy hot dogs? This is instructive
by the way, if youre looking around at them instead of me. If you want a sucker list you want to get the names
and addresses of the guys buying the hot dogs.
Okay Omaha prices are roughly I dont know double, three times the best stuff being sold maybe at the
supermarket or the butcher shop in your area. They maybe five times Costco. They do deliver it. But a steak
is a steak.
Now for a long time when you told somebody you were buying Omaha Steaks that you got the old [noise], Oh
I cant believe youre paying them. Anybody here buy from Allen Brothers? Awe you got to switch. You
got to switch. It is honest to God and I was an Omaha customer for years and I like the guys and I still use
Omaha to send client gifts becausebut for me Allen Brothers its ayou cant even believe how much better
it is. Its twice the price of Omaha. These guys got in the same business, catalog selling steaks, hot dogs,hamburgers. And they have the gall to double Omahas prices. And were switching like theres no tomorrow.
Price elasticity. Theres a whole thing in this monthswe have a newsletter called Marketing to the Influent,
in case you dont know. Theres a whole thing about a subscriber wrote in out rage at what Williams-Sonoma
was charging for cookies. He dont get that it isnt about the cookie. He didnt understand its not about the
cookie. Its about all the emotional reasons attached to why you would buy that particular cookie from
Williams-Sonoma and theres lot of reasons for that.
Lots of people on my list here Id like to talk about. I talked about Charlie. Ron Caruthers who may be here,
hes in sunny California. Hes in the college planning business at my urgent hes increased his fees four timesin the past 12-months and in total nearly tripled them, no suppression whatsoever in any meaningful statistic in
his business. By that I mean no difference in the number of leads converted to clients, no loss of clients, no
negative changes.
But four fee increases in 12-months leading to nearly triple the fee. Dont make any difference. Doctor
Fairfield whos got a cosmetic practice in the Philadelphia area and he does seminars to bring in new patients, I
got him to test at his last seminar offering a $25,000 dollar membership in the practice for the patient to have all
the cosmetic procedures they want or need for three years. So you want to come there every day and get a
Botox shot you can, $25,000 bucks prepay. Five out of a room of 150 and three of the five were brand new
patients with no relationship to him. They came in off a newspaper ad and were sitting in the seminar room,
$25,000 dollar membership. Thats price elasticity. Its everywhere. I promise you and most people
underestimate it, most people dont understand it.
Number six Immunity to criticism. When you conform to the renegades rather than to the majority of people
in your business, in your profession, in your circles of influence, in your community you will be the subject of
derision and attack.
I have a client; come back to thisthis is a great story. I have a client who owns a big chain of furniture stores.
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Does very well. His wife, lovely lady but basically a social climber. Shes very involved in the ladies clubs
and the country club and all of that. Hes basically a blue collar guy who got rich. If he could, their living
room would be like the one on the Frasier show. It would be elegantly decorated but with his old ugly recliner
in the middle of it. So thats the dichotomy.
All of his marketing for his stores is the kind of stuff Bill showed you yesterday. Its our kind of stuff and so to
her its ugly and embarrassing. He cant, for example, go home and say, Look at his mailing we did last week
that did a 48 to one ROI and brought in 600 new customers. All she says is, I hope my friends didnt see it.
So heres what he started to do for peace at home. Every year he has designed for him a beautiful normal
looking four color 12-page brochure about the stores. He has to print 10,000 of them. He then throws out
9,700 of them because theyre useless. He gives her 300 so she has something shes not embarrassed about to
show her mother in-law and her friend and she lays off of criticizing him all the time for the stuff he is doing.
He just tries for her not to see the newspaper ads.
Second great story; we had a chiropractor. Years ago we got to do prepay. The guy was starving. $3,000dollars a month. He wasnt even paying the rent. Second month doing prepay he had a seventy some odd
thousand dollar month. He made the mistake at the Sunday family dinner of telling the family of how well he
was doing.
Two mornings later the parish priest arrived at his office dispatched by mom to sit down and counsel with him
because you couldnt possibly be doing that well that quickly without doing something illegal or immoral. You
laugh, he never recovered. The next month he did $6,000 bucks and four months later he was working for
another doctor in his office for a salary. He never recovered.
A key common characteristic is enormous immunity to criticism. The renegade millionaires have in commonthis they dont care what anybody thinks of them except those who give them money. Thats the only vote
you get. They know their spouses opinion doesnt count. Their mother in-laws opinion doesnt count. The
trade association they belong to, their opinion doesnt count. The peer across the street opinion doesnt count.
Not even their opinion counts. We got to learn because were often wrong.
Im the highest paid direct response copy writer in the country. Im pretty good at it but every once in a while I
do four different things for a client to test and the one he and I both love and think is going to kick butt and take
names is the dead bang loser. And the one we were all suspicious of, Awe but lets test it anyway. Its the
hero.
I know my opinion cant count. The only thing that can count is results.
Interesting thing about this list is it probably wouldnt be happy about being paired with Jerry Springer but
nevertheless.
The other thing Ive got a few things that havent made Zig all that happy. Theres a profound commonality
between the two of them. And here it is. They dont care what anybody thinks about what they do except the
people who respond to what they do. So Zig does a very bad thing as a speaker. He does it in every speech.
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You couldnt get him not to do it. He gives you his biblical testimony. I cant tell you when he started
speaking the number of people who took him aside and said, Zig you cant be doing that. Youre going to
offend a lot of people. Youre not going to get a lot of corporate gigs. Youre not going to
This guy for the three of the four decades now has been the single most successful motivational speaker in the
history of all time. And by the way I may not want to hear it, you may not want to hear it, make any difference.
What he cares about is the people who respond to him.
Jerry Springer think of all thelets see Donahues gone, Sallys gone, and Montels hanging on by a thread.
Umpteen numbers of them have come and gone. Who are the two longest running, most successful daytime
talk shows in the history of day time TV? Jerry and Oprah. And probably the two of them wouldnt
necessarily like being put at the same banquet table either.
Springers show actually one of their slogans is, The Worst Show on Television for 27 Years. And hes
gotten rich with that gig. And Jerry, you know, checkered little past there. I mean Jerry was one time the
mayor of Cincinnati by the way. He failed to get reelected because he engaged in a real bad habit of paying forthe services he was using at the local brothel with his personal checks.
You dont exactly want him with his thumb right above the red button do you, you know? Judgment problem
there. But immunity to criticism hes got it. Doesnt affect him in the least, doesnt. Doctor Atkins during the
entire time with the Atkins brand was built there wasnt a day that Atkins wasnt under mammoth attack -
medical profession, media, you name it. I never saw him once in an interview that was positive, not once.
Even on Larry King, Larrys like the softball interviewer of the planet. I mean the joke about Larry is he could
have Hitler on the show and he would, Tell us about your stamp collecting hobby, you know what I mean?
I mean you know Larry isnt exactly 60 Minutes at its best 60 Minutes. Even you went after Atkins. DidAtkins, did it bother Atkins? Nah. Completely immune to criticism. People that make the most money are.
Number seven simple one but a big one. Systems the tiny minority of people who are making tons of
money in whatever business you want to look at have this commonality and all businesses and this difference
from everybody else in their field. Everybody else in their field is getting up every morning reinventing 67
different wheels in their businesses.
The proof is the thing cant function if they aint there. I always laugh at all the people at our breaks at a
seminar like this. Everybodys in a massive stampede to get out in the hall because they got to get on their cell
phone. What are they doing? Theyre checking to see if the place has collapsed in the hour and a half that they
were in the room. Thats what there doing. They figured they got to buy 90-minutes at a time and if theyre
poking at it, looking at it, checking on it, talking to people its all going to fall apart.
And by the time they get back there at the end of the day theyll be nothing left but ashes. Thats how most
peoples businesses run. Its how most businesses run. When I was traveling a lot (dont do it anymore)Id
been sitting in the airplane lounge, and now that everybodys on the cell phone and they dont have the good
grace to go into the phone thing and theyre all around you yakking you can hear all of their conversations.
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Right? And what are all the conversations? Day-to-day emergency stuff that is out of control that their
patching back together. Why? Theres no system for anything. Theyre reacting to everything on a constant
basis.
The most successful businesses in all America are what? McDonalds. Think about this meeting. Heres what
were going to do. Were going to open thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of businesses all
across the country. Were going to manage them with absentee owners from distance and were going to put
everything in the hands of a bunch pimply faced teenagers listening to music on their iPods and not thinking
very clearly because there at like peek hormone run amok time.
And were going to invest millions of dollars and perfectly good jobs. Lets get out your checkbook and invest
in that puppy. They do it. Their business is run by kids magically somehow. They get through the day. How
does this happen? System.
Burger King keeps hiring new ad agency. They cant figure this out. It isnt about the ads. Its because of the
chaos in the store. Every Burger Kings different. One of them has got the milk shake machine over here. Oneof them has got the milk shake machine over here. In order to get a milk shake this clerks got to knock down
three clerks who are in between him dealing with the customer over there to get over here. The cups for the
milk shake are over there. Theyre not over by the milk shake machine. Yet Burger King is a mess.
McDonalds is not a mess. It is especially relevant to note McDonalds has the worst food. Theyre the most
successful of all of them with the worst food. Everybody knows Burger Kings got a better hamburger.
Everybody knows Wendys has got a better hamburger. McDonalds is the most successful. Why? Theyre
actually fast. So they call it the fast food business because people want it fast. They dont care about good.
Fast. So McDonalds has a system, everybody else has a poorly shadow of a system. Its a mess. Go in and
watch one at peak. Go watch an Arbys at peak.
Wheres the bag? Go watch at Taco Bell. Its horror show. It is. Its an absolute horror show. This person
cant run the register. This one cant find a box for this. This ones yelling for the manager for that. Theyre
running into each other. Vroom, vroom. McDonalds has a system. All [inaudible] based on system.
Ford family wealth, two systems. Most people think about the assembly line, thats one. Ford also invented
the dealership system for selling cars. Without the second system the first system wouldnt have been very
valuable.
Now heres the real question do you have marketing systems? Because there the most valuable. A lot of
people in business have operational systems. They can manage to get the lights turned on in a place in the
morning; they can manage to get a milk shake out of the milk shake machine. What they dont have is a
systemized assembly line approach to bring in their customers or clients to them, to handling them when they
come. Our guys got marketing systems.
Number eight macro/micro. Heres a micro example. In the 1930s in the recession drug stores had soda
fountains. People even went there for lunch. You sat at soda fountain got your lunch. A sales trick, and a lot
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of people when they ordered milk shakes they got an air gun. It was like an add on. So a sales trainer whose
name I forget, I get the two of them confused so I wont need either one of them but a sales trainer figured this
out. Lets have everybody when they take an order for a milk shake not ask do you want an egg in it, ask,
Would you like one egg or two?
Elmer Wheeler? Yeah thats what I heard a lot of them and I get them confused but if you say Elmer, Im
buying. So its Elmer.
Very simple micro managed thing. One sentence and all the interaction that happens between all the clerks and
all the customers in the store all day long change that one sentence. Save the chain of drugstores from
bankruptcy, dramatically increase revenues, dramatically increase profits, why? Because everybody takes an
egg. Hardly anybody says no to that question.
Now its like Sales 101 today. But youd be surprised how many businesses dont use it. Now thats a micro
thing. I have a client one word in a phone script, one word in a phone script 10 times the number of people
who converted and say yes. One word, thats micro. So everybody we work with is looking for opportunitiesto make micro adjustments that yield big results. All right.
Macro now is what the big vision is, whats the big idea? How do we take the core business and wrap five
businesses around it? Some people are really good at one and not really good at others. Bob Iger at Disney, we
dont know yet. Hes done a marvelous job since taking over for Eisner in terms of finance. Im a Disney
stockholder, I watch. And thats up 18%. But Igers a very bottom line guy. Hes real good at the micro stuff.
His rap is no vision. Not an idea guy. Not good at macro. Too soon to tell. Will he go get a guy whos good
at macro and pull himself with it? Will he let his ego get in his way? Will he getwe dont know yet.
But the really good ones are good at both. They do both. They take a look at their business every day from thebig idea side. Some time this week could somebody give me, can I get a big idea? And they pay attention to
all the little nitty gritty tiny stuff.
Number Nine. This is huge and regrettably I dont have time to convince you of it. I only have time to tell you
about it. The way the vast majority of people approach advertising and marketing is the opposite of what you
see on the screen. Theyre all trying to figure out how to spend as little as possible to promote their business to
get their customer.
So were all worried about if were going to do direct mail we cant put anything more in an envelope than well
mail for a stamp. I dont want to wait to shove me over into two stamps. I got a client whos testing right now,
does a lot of direct mail; testing 90,000 FedExs this month. He isnt worried about two stamps. Excuse me.
Shouldve apologized to start with. Ive been fighting a little throat problem for the last week or so.
90,000 FedExs he sending this month. He just adjusted the economics in the business to allow for the FedEx.
Not one of his competitors, all of his competitors use direct mail. Nobody sends FedExs. Nobodys going to
send. Incidentally this business of his is a seminar business that puts on seminars for the recently bankrupt.
Dan: I promise you nobodys sending him a FedEx box to sell them anything except him. So the vast majority
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of everybody, all of your competitors that come to the table with the mindset, How can we spend less? The
questions are always, Im doing pretty well with my Yellow Pages ad this big. Can I buy the next smaller
one? Not, Hey Im doing pretty well with my Yellow Page ad this big. Do you think I should buy eight
pages? I never hear that question. I always here the other question, How I can do less? How can I spend
less? Except for my winners, because my winners know the ultimate competitor advantage is being able and
willing to spend more to acquire a customer than anybody else who is talking to them.
I will pick a category in business [inaudible] routinely now. Ive taken people from zero to million dollars a
year incomes. Ive got them spending $6,000 dollars a piece to make a sale. I would say that the average in
their business is maybe spending $500. We just choose the pricing and the economics to allow them to spend
$6,000. Theyre selling something that normally sells for $4,000 for $30,000. They can now do things nobody
else who was talking to their prospects can do.
So the strategy is be able to spend more, dont strive to spend less. The normal question is, How can I spend
less? The renegade question is, How can I spend more than anybody else whos talking to my prospects is
spending? If somebodys sending them a FedEx how could I send them a big FedEx?
Theres a financial guy, investment guy been a member of ours for many years in Chicago. He targets, he only
does business with people who have invest able assets of $10 million or above, theyre running family owned
businesses, etc. Bill probably showed you the trash can mailing yesterday. Did he show you the trash can
mailing? The little aluminum trash can. Let me tell you what this guy does. He picks 50 prospects every
month. He has delivered to them by messenger a full size trash can. The one you buy over at Home Depot or
Wal-Mart. Full size aluminum trash can, hand-cuffed to the wrist of the messenger.
Somebody has to sign for it. The sales letter is inside the full-size trash can. Two things, the gatekeeper aint
throwing it out and even if she was bold enough to do so into what is she going to throw it?
It wont fit in the wastebasket. Awe the mental picture of, you know, Bertha the hun, the real determined
gatekeeper, try it. She is going to force this into this wastebasket no matter what. Yeah. 100% get the sales
letter. Over half call. Over a third book appointments. Its his whole marketing system. It cost a lot of money.
Trash can, the messenger, hand-cuffs, guys got to go back three, four times to get the right person to sign for it.
Its expensive. Pretty much everybody who ever sees it thinks hes an idiot. Hes doing very well.
Number 10 personal behavior. I have a saying, There are no business failures. There are no business
successes. Its all personal. My personal investment strategy is to not pay so much attention to the annual
report. Its to pay attention to the people running the show.
I think personal behavior matters enormously. Theres proof of it, the Disney example. Eisner was a fabulous
CEO until his personal behavior got goofy. Then he had to go.
Personal behavior matters a lot. The business is driven by you. And whats important is it is about behavior.
Its not about so much attitude or positive thinking. I think all that stuff is in nice and useful and theres no
doubt if you want to call it a positive, negative, it does have a physiological affect on you. All thats true butI
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was driving around in a car with a cassette player next to me and I was thinking positive and I was driving in
the $25 dollar car and I was dead broke. But I was positive. But the behavior wasnt right. So its behavior.
Now heres a secret, heres what my Renegade Millionaire System is really all about. Its the thing I call about
behavioral congruency. And so going all the way back to the beginning, if we identify a key list of things that
are extraordinarily successful entrepreneurs and business leaders and marketers do, not so much what they
think, and by the way theres big differences in how they think.
If we talk to Zig and we talk to Jerry Springer big philosophical differences. Big. Theres significant
philosophical differences between Zig and I. But there are a few key behavioral commonalities. They do
certain things exactly the same. We do certain things. Its about what we do, not so much what we think. Not
so much our attitudes. Its about behavior. Now here, so if we identify the behaviors what do these people who
are getting the kind of results we want do?
So everybody that has to run out on all the breaks and jump on their cell phone right away and check to make
sure that the place hasnt fallen apart in their absence, and checks their e-mail 36 times a day. I do a four dayseminar, set up here. I only take one bathroom break a day because I got a good prostate. And I dont have a
cell phone and I dont use email. And, I go four days without checking with anybody. My place doesnt fall
apart. Everybody else is out there worrying about if their place is going to fall apart.
So whos behavior is people, its a pet peeve of mine; theyre at the urinals on their cell phones. I mean, you
know, women if you dont know guys are doing this you cant go into a public restroom now and theyre not
talking on the phone while their peeing. Now really. If things are so out of control in your life that you cant
find five minutes to pee in peace, you know, you got some real issues.
And for the egotistical numnuts now that you thin