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N47/419 / 19-25 dekemberi / 2011 weli

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diskusiebi imarTeba NED-is dafinanse-

buli proeqtis farglebSi _ `demokratiu-

li ideebis ganviTareba~.

diskusia, romlis Temac iyo _

`Tanamedrove universiteti:

leqtori da studenti axali

gamowvevebis winaSe~, ̀ preskafeSi~

14 dekembers gaimarTa.

diskusiis momxseneblebi: baTumis

rusTavelis saxelmwifo univer-

sitetis profesori gia masalkini

da baTumis sazRvao akademiis pro-

fesori emzar kaxiZe; moderatori:

`Tavisufal JurnalistTa saxlis~

Tavmjdomare, aslan WaniZe.

aslan WaniZe: leqtorebisa da

studentebis urTierTobis sakiTxi

mwvaved dgas. mec viyavi univer-

sitetis leqtori da vici, rogori

dapirispireba iyo studentebsa da

leqtorebs Soris _ leqtorebs mi-

aCndaT, rom studentebi ar iyvnen

bolomde aqtiurebi, studentebi ki

fiqrobdnen, rom leqtorebis cod-

na, obieqturoba ar iyo Sesabamis

doneze. arsebobda dapirispireba

leqtorebs Sorisac _ erTi ambob-

da, rom TviTon ufro kompetentu-

ria da sxvam ratom gaimarjva.

unda arsebobdes dialogi stu-

dentebsa da leqtors Soris. war-

moidgineT, 45 wuTis ganmavlobaSi

leqtori saubrobs da studentebSi

sruli apaTiaa. studenti arc au-

ditoriis gareT ixarjeba.

gia masalkini: bunebrivia, Cven

gvainteresebs diskusia student-

ebTan. jer gamovkveToT ra prob-

lemaze vsaubrobT da gaverkvi-

oT definaciebSi. vsaubrobT ara,

zogadad, pedagogsa da moswavleze,

mamebisa da Svilebis problemaze,

aramed ufro viwro da specifi-

kur Temaze _ Tanamedrove univer-

sitetze, studentsa da leqtorze.

CemTvis prioritetulia erTi ram,

Tu gvinda Cveni adgili davim-

kvidroT am samyaroSi, Zalian co-

ta dro gvaqvs darCenili, radgan

matarebeli, sadac miliardi kar-

gad mcxovrebi adamiani zis, ufro

da ufro gvSordeba. maT rom dav-

ewioT, amisTvis gvWirdeba gamarTu-

li ganaTlebis sistema. boingebs

amerikelebze ukeT ver gavakeTebT,

verc mersedesebs germanele-

bze ukeTesad, dagvrCa inerciiT

SemorCenili ganaTlebis sistema,

romelic unda srulvyoT da amiT

mainc davimkvidroT adgili.

reformis Semdeg studenteb-

is ukeTesi kontingenti TiTqmis

ar modis. arian iseTebi, romlebic

kiTxvaze, ramdeni saxarebaa biblia-

Si, pasuxoben _ 150. Cemi azriT, arc

leqtorebis kontingentia ukeTesi.

odiozuri figurebi wavidnen, leq-

torebi aRar iReben qrTams, magram

ra Seicvala leqtorisa da studen-

tis urTierTobebSi? ra tendencie-

bia? ra uflebebi gaaCnia students

da rogor iyenebs amas. garda ami-

sa, me maqvs kiTxva, ra aris Tana-

medrove universitetis misia, mx-

olod profesionalis aRzrda Tu

profesionalis aRzrdac da mo-

qalaqis Camoyalibebac? ra aris

universitetis politizeba? mgo-

nia, amaSi Cven, samoqalaqo sazoga-

doebac ar aris kargad garkveuli.

me maqvs ucxoeTSi muSaobis

gamocdileba da Tu sadme duRs cx-

ovreba, es aris universiteti. es

aris sivrce, sadac leqciebis Sem-

deg yovel dRe tardeba raRac ti-

pis RonisZieba. yovelTvis modi-

an sxvadasxva politikuri partie-

bi _ wagebulebi, mogebulebi da

msjeloben. saerTod, dasavleT-

Si sazogadoebrivi azri univer-

sitetebSi formirdeba. kalmisa da

zRapris epoqaSi arsebobda aseTi

cneba _ `inteleqtuali~, romel-

ic erTgvari filtri iyo student-

sa da informacias Soris. dRes Sei-

Zleba gvyavdes kargi profesori,

magram amave dros ar iyos inteleq-

tuali. es aris adamiani, romelsac

ar eSinia pasuxi gasces yvela kiTx-

vas. ar eSinia Tqvas `ara~, an `ar vi-

ci~. amitom gvinda gavigoT, ra xde-

ba CvenTan universitetSi?

emzar kaxiZe: Cemi azriT, mniS-

vnelovania gaazrebul iqnas drois

konteqsti, sad varT da, saerTod,

ras unda emsaxurebodes univer-

siteti. ra Tqma unda, universite-

ti profesionalebis samWedlo un-

da iyos, magram rac dRes aklia

universitets, es aris suliere-

ba. adre saswavleblebi religi-

ur dawesebulebebSi ixsneboda, am-

itom rogorc mefe iyo RmerTis ne-

bis gamtarebeli, aseTi iyo univer-

sitetSi leqtori. Semdeg Seicva-

la es urTierTobebi, centrSi dad-

ga studenti, romelic amsxvrev-

da avtoritetebs. CvenTan ki igive

darCa. dRevandel universitetSi

ar arsebobs centri da moxda uni-

versitetis dehumanizacia. adamiani

marto profesiiT ver miaRwevs war-

matebas, Tu mas ar aqvs garkveuli

Rirebulebebis sistema. student-

ebma da leqtorebma erTmaneTs un-

da aCvenon, ra aris liberaluri

Rirebuleba, daicvan dialogis

kultura. studentebi dRes ar ar-

ian momTxovni arc sakuTari Tavis

da arc leqtorebis mimarT.

miranda Carkviani (ombudsmenis

aparatis TanamSromeli): me Tbi-

lisSi davamTavre universiteti.

miuxedavad imisa, rom filosofiis

fakultetze bevri kargi special-

isti maswavlida, saerTo jamSi,

roca davfiqrdebi, Tu ra momca

universitetma, mimaCnia, rom arc araferi. mas xeli ar Seuwyvia Cem profesionalad CamoyalibebaSi.

piriqiT, iyo mcdeloba, rom ar vyofiliyavi kargi moqalaqe, vyofiliyavi

komfromisti da ara _ raime principebis

matarebeli.

Cveni filosofiis codna Semoi-

fargleboda imiT, rom unda

dagvezepirebina renesansis yve-

la filosofosis saxeli, gvari,

maTi dabadebis da gardacvalebis

TariRebi da ZiriTadi naSromebis

saxelwodebebi. es xom arafris mom-

cemi iyo.

iyvnen iseTi leqtorebic, rom-

lebmac raRac veqtorebi mainc

mogviniSnes, magram bevrad didi

gavlena iqonia Cems ganviTarebaze

kinos saxlma, sadac gogi gvaxaria

awyobda kinoCvenebas da sadac yve-

laze met dros vatarebdi. Cven ar

gvaqvs swori sistemebi arc skola-

Si da arc universitetSi. absolu-

turad acdenili sistema gvaqvs, am-

itom aseT sistemaSi moxvedrili

adamiani didi Sansia, rom maxinji

gavlenis qveS moeqces.

rac Seexeba politizebas, rogor

SeiZleba studenti ar monawileob-

des politikur debatebSi, is xom

amomrCevelia. rogor SeiZleba ar

hqondes mas kultura, rom moismi-

nos da dasvas SekiTxvebi. me maqvs

survili, dRes movismino am sakiTxe-

bze studentebis Zalian mwvave azri.

mamuka jvarTava, istorikosi:

is, rac me universitetSi viswav-

le, araferSi gamomadga, amitom un-

da vicodeT, ra produqti sWird-

eba dRes studentis saxiT saqarT-

velos ekonomikas. es ar aris gan-

sazRvruli. Cems bavSvobaSi erT-

erTi gamokiTxvisas _ vin ginda

gamoxvide? biWebma Tqves: qurdi,

gogonebma ki _ qurdis meuRle.

50-ianebis bolos yvelas undoda

ekonomisti da iuristi yofiliyo,

dRes ki yvela ambobs, rom saxelm-

wifo moxeleoba unda, radgan sta-

biluri xelfasi da garantirebuli

socialuri statusia.

ilia uruSaZe, studenti: kargia

socialuri aqtivoba, magram unda

gaiTvaliswinoT isic, rom stu-

dentebsa da leqtorebs SeiZle-

ba universitetSic ki ar hqondeT

urTierToba. studenti cdilobs

Tavisi Rirebulebebi Semoitanos

da daicvas leqtorTan, magram es

Rirebulebebi mainc ar aris gaT-

valiswinebuli, radgan univer-

sitetSi problemebi realurad

arsebobs.

qeTi kostava, studenti: Cemi

azriT, studentebi arian Zalian

SezRudulebi da ar aqvT Sina-

gani Tavisufleba. aris warmodge-

na, rom leqtors ar SeiZleba See-

winaaRmdego. iyo problema, ise-

Ti sagani gvqonda Casabarebeli,

romelic leqtorma ar wagvikiTxa,

davwereT saCivari, magram uare-

sad gadagvekidnen. studentma

unda icodes Tavisi uflebebi, ra

unda gaakeTos da moiTxovos is,

rac realurad ekuTvnis mas. iseTi

leqtoric myavda, romelic kiTx-

vas ar gvasmevinebda. davwereT sa-

Civari, Semdeg ki TviTon gvekiTx-

eboda _ `SekiTxvebi xom ar gaqvT,

bavSvebo?~

mari nakaSiZe, filosofiis

me-3 kursis studenti: `ar vici,

erovnul gamocdebamde ra situa-

cia iyo, magram dRes absolutur-

ad pesimisturad var ganwyobili.

situacia rom Seicvalos, amisT-

vis, pirvel rigSi, universiteti

damoukidebeli unda iyos saxelmwi-

fosgan da administracias xelisu-

fleba ra unda niSnavdes. mxolod

saxelisuflebo partiis intereseb-

is dacvazea yuradReba gadatanili.

pirvel kursze viyavi, roca

studentur dasaqmebaSi Sevitane

gancxadeba da TviTmmarTvelobis

Tavmjdomarem miTxra, roca dagirekaven, uTxari arCevnebSi

saakaSvils vaZlev xmaso.

universiteti upirvelesad un-

da emsaxurebodes mecnierebas da

imasac unda uwyobdes xels, rom

studenti moqalaqed Camoyalib-

des. Cven ar amoviReT xma Tundac

akreditaciis dRes, radgan gvinda,

rom am qalaqSi gvqondes univer-

siteti, radgan 90 procenti sxva

qalaqSi wasvlas ver SeZlebs. `cis-

fer mTebSi~ mgonia Tavi.

giorgi diasamiZe, studenti:

veTanxmebi studentebs, romlebic

amboben, rom Cven sazogadoebriv

saqmeSi naklebad varT CarTul-

ni. arian obieqturi leqtorebic,

Tumca ar vici, es obieqturoba

vis rogor esmis. me myavs leqto-

ri, romelic Riad ambobs, rom niS-

nis gamo megobars ar awyeninebs da

dauwers, Tundac ar ekuTvnodes.

aris SemTxvevebi, roca leqciaze

Cveni azris gamoxatvas da verc

paralelebis gavlebas ver vaxerx-

ebT. SezRuduli varT am mxriv.

leila abaSiZe, studenti: me ar

var aqtiuri studenti. Zalian min-

da, magram vici, rom ver gavaqti-

urdebi. pirveli kursidanve maqvs

gancda, rom var naklebad huma-

nuri, var ufro metad gaCumebuli,

vidre aqamde viyavi da ufro meti

SiSis grZnoba maqvs. SeiZleba meCve-

neba, magram mgonia, rom leqtori

aris CaquCiani kaci, romelic Tu

sityva gadagicdeba, Cagcxebs. bari-

eria Cvens urTierTobaSi.

mari kostava, studenti: roca aw-

ydebi bevr winaaRmdegobas, cdi-

lob ufro gaaqtiurde. Tumca, cu-

di bevrad ufro metia, vidre kar-

gi, radgan ar gismenen, Tu gisme-

nen, Sedegi mainc ar aris. cnobiere-

ba unda Seicvalos, es ki xarisxian-

ma ganaTlebam unda Secvalos.

gia masalkini: mTavari problema

is aris, rom CvenTan universiteti

emorCileba saxelmwifo diqtats,

dasavleTSi ki ase ar aris. sanam

diqtati iarsebebs, iq saubari mo-

qalaqeobrivi cnobierebis amaRle-

baze rTulia. amitom unda moiZeb-

nos sistemuri gamosavali, SeiZle-

ba es iyos ufaso swavleba.

miranda Carkviani: TanamSromlo-

bis reJimSi unda daiZlios prob-

lemebi. adamianis ganviTareba-

Si mTavari sityvisa da gamoxatvis

Tavisuflebaa.

gia masalkini: universiteti gad-

aqceulia warmoebad, romelic uS-

vebs dabali xarisxis produqts, ma-

Sin, roca swored aq unda duRdes

inteleqti, ibadebodes ideebi.

moamzada lela dumbaZem

diskusia `preskafeSi~

cnobierebis SesacvleladSiSi, komfromizmi da araprofesionalizmi

studentebi preskafeSi