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N47/419 / 19-25 dekemberi / 2011 weli
2 Sen gaqvs ufleba icode
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ze: www.netgazeti.ge da www.presskafe.ge
diskusiebi imarTeba NED-is dafinanse-
buli proeqtis farglebSi _ `demokratiu-
li ideebis ganviTareba~.
diskusia, romlis Temac iyo _
`Tanamedrove universiteti:
leqtori da studenti axali
gamowvevebis winaSe~, ̀ preskafeSi~
14 dekembers gaimarTa.
diskusiis momxseneblebi: baTumis
rusTavelis saxelmwifo univer-
sitetis profesori gia masalkini
da baTumis sazRvao akademiis pro-
fesori emzar kaxiZe; moderatori:
`Tavisufal JurnalistTa saxlis~
Tavmjdomare, aslan WaniZe.
aslan WaniZe: leqtorebisa da
studentebis urTierTobis sakiTxi
mwvaved dgas. mec viyavi univer-
sitetis leqtori da vici, rogori
dapirispireba iyo studentebsa da
leqtorebs Soris _ leqtorebs mi-
aCndaT, rom studentebi ar iyvnen
bolomde aqtiurebi, studentebi ki
fiqrobdnen, rom leqtorebis cod-
na, obieqturoba ar iyo Sesabamis
doneze. arsebobda dapirispireba
leqtorebs Sorisac _ erTi ambob-
da, rom TviTon ufro kompetentu-
ria da sxvam ratom gaimarjva.
unda arsebobdes dialogi stu-
dentebsa da leqtors Soris. war-
moidgineT, 45 wuTis ganmavlobaSi
leqtori saubrobs da studentebSi
sruli apaTiaa. studenti arc au-
ditoriis gareT ixarjeba.
gia masalkini: bunebrivia, Cven
gvainteresebs diskusia student-
ebTan. jer gamovkveToT ra prob-
lemaze vsaubrobT da gaverkvi-
oT definaciebSi. vsaubrobT ara,
zogadad, pedagogsa da moswavleze,
mamebisa da Svilebis problemaze,
aramed ufro viwro da specifi-
kur Temaze _ Tanamedrove univer-
sitetze, studentsa da leqtorze.
CemTvis prioritetulia erTi ram,
Tu gvinda Cveni adgili davim-
kvidroT am samyaroSi, Zalian co-
ta dro gvaqvs darCenili, radgan
matarebeli, sadac miliardi kar-
gad mcxovrebi adamiani zis, ufro
da ufro gvSordeba. maT rom dav-
ewioT, amisTvis gvWirdeba gamarTu-
li ganaTlebis sistema. boingebs
amerikelebze ukeT ver gavakeTebT,
verc mersedesebs germanele-
bze ukeTesad, dagvrCa inerciiT
SemorCenili ganaTlebis sistema,
romelic unda srulvyoT da amiT
mainc davimkvidroT adgili.
reformis Semdeg studenteb-
is ukeTesi kontingenti TiTqmis
ar modis. arian iseTebi, romlebic
kiTxvaze, ramdeni saxarebaa biblia-
Si, pasuxoben _ 150. Cemi azriT, arc
leqtorebis kontingentia ukeTesi.
odiozuri figurebi wavidnen, leq-
torebi aRar iReben qrTams, magram
ra Seicvala leqtorisa da studen-
tis urTierTobebSi? ra tendencie-
bia? ra uflebebi gaaCnia students
da rogor iyenebs amas. garda ami-
sa, me maqvs kiTxva, ra aris Tana-
medrove universitetis misia, mx-
olod profesionalis aRzrda Tu
profesionalis aRzrdac da mo-
qalaqis Camoyalibebac? ra aris
universitetis politizeba? mgo-
nia, amaSi Cven, samoqalaqo sazoga-
doebac ar aris kargad garkveuli.
me maqvs ucxoeTSi muSaobis
gamocdileba da Tu sadme duRs cx-
ovreba, es aris universiteti. es
aris sivrce, sadac leqciebis Sem-
deg yovel dRe tardeba raRac ti-
pis RonisZieba. yovelTvis modi-
an sxvadasxva politikuri partie-
bi _ wagebulebi, mogebulebi da
msjeloben. saerTod, dasavleT-
Si sazogadoebrivi azri univer-
sitetebSi formirdeba. kalmisa da
zRapris epoqaSi arsebobda aseTi
cneba _ `inteleqtuali~, romel-
ic erTgvari filtri iyo student-
sa da informacias Soris. dRes Sei-
Zleba gvyavdes kargi profesori,
magram amave dros ar iyos inteleq-
tuali. es aris adamiani, romelsac
ar eSinia pasuxi gasces yvela kiTx-
vas. ar eSinia Tqvas `ara~, an `ar vi-
ci~. amitom gvinda gavigoT, ra xde-
ba CvenTan universitetSi?
emzar kaxiZe: Cemi azriT, mniS-
vnelovania gaazrebul iqnas drois
konteqsti, sad varT da, saerTod,
ras unda emsaxurebodes univer-
siteti. ra Tqma unda, universite-
ti profesionalebis samWedlo un-
da iyos, magram rac dRes aklia
universitets, es aris suliere-
ba. adre saswavleblebi religi-
ur dawesebulebebSi ixsneboda, am-
itom rogorc mefe iyo RmerTis ne-
bis gamtarebeli, aseTi iyo univer-
sitetSi leqtori. Semdeg Seicva-
la es urTierTobebi, centrSi dad-
ga studenti, romelic amsxvrev-
da avtoritetebs. CvenTan ki igive
darCa. dRevandel universitetSi
ar arsebobs centri da moxda uni-
versitetis dehumanizacia. adamiani
marto profesiiT ver miaRwevs war-
matebas, Tu mas ar aqvs garkveuli
Rirebulebebis sistema. student-
ebma da leqtorebma erTmaneTs un-
da aCvenon, ra aris liberaluri
Rirebuleba, daicvan dialogis
kultura. studentebi dRes ar ar-
ian momTxovni arc sakuTari Tavis
da arc leqtorebis mimarT.
miranda Carkviani (ombudsmenis
aparatis TanamSromeli): me Tbi-
lisSi davamTavre universiteti.
miuxedavad imisa, rom filosofiis
fakultetze bevri kargi special-
isti maswavlida, saerTo jamSi,
roca davfiqrdebi, Tu ra momca
universitetma, mimaCnia, rom arc araferi. mas xeli ar Seuwyvia Cem profesionalad CamoyalibebaSi.
piriqiT, iyo mcdeloba, rom ar vyofiliyavi kargi moqalaqe, vyofiliyavi
komfromisti da ara _ raime principebis
matarebeli.
Cveni filosofiis codna Semoi-
fargleboda imiT, rom unda
dagvezepirebina renesansis yve-
la filosofosis saxeli, gvari,
maTi dabadebis da gardacvalebis
TariRebi da ZiriTadi naSromebis
saxelwodebebi. es xom arafris mom-
cemi iyo.
iyvnen iseTi leqtorebic, rom-
lebmac raRac veqtorebi mainc
mogviniSnes, magram bevrad didi
gavlena iqonia Cems ganviTarebaze
kinos saxlma, sadac gogi gvaxaria
awyobda kinoCvenebas da sadac yve-
laze met dros vatarebdi. Cven ar
gvaqvs swori sistemebi arc skola-
Si da arc universitetSi. absolu-
turad acdenili sistema gvaqvs, am-
itom aseT sistemaSi moxvedrili
adamiani didi Sansia, rom maxinji
gavlenis qveS moeqces.
rac Seexeba politizebas, rogor
SeiZleba studenti ar monawileob-
des politikur debatebSi, is xom
amomrCevelia. rogor SeiZleba ar
hqondes mas kultura, rom moismi-
nos da dasvas SekiTxvebi. me maqvs
survili, dRes movismino am sakiTxe-
bze studentebis Zalian mwvave azri.
mamuka jvarTava, istorikosi:
is, rac me universitetSi viswav-
le, araferSi gamomadga, amitom un-
da vicodeT, ra produqti sWird-
eba dRes studentis saxiT saqarT-
velos ekonomikas. es ar aris gan-
sazRvruli. Cems bavSvobaSi erT-
erTi gamokiTxvisas _ vin ginda
gamoxvide? biWebma Tqves: qurdi,
gogonebma ki _ qurdis meuRle.
50-ianebis bolos yvelas undoda
ekonomisti da iuristi yofiliyo,
dRes ki yvela ambobs, rom saxelm-
wifo moxeleoba unda, radgan sta-
biluri xelfasi da garantirebuli
socialuri statusia.
ilia uruSaZe, studenti: kargia
socialuri aqtivoba, magram unda
gaiTvaliswinoT isic, rom stu-
dentebsa da leqtorebs SeiZle-
ba universitetSic ki ar hqondeT
urTierToba. studenti cdilobs
Tavisi Rirebulebebi Semoitanos
da daicvas leqtorTan, magram es
Rirebulebebi mainc ar aris gaT-
valiswinebuli, radgan univer-
sitetSi problemebi realurad
arsebobs.
qeTi kostava, studenti: Cemi
azriT, studentebi arian Zalian
SezRudulebi da ar aqvT Sina-
gani Tavisufleba. aris warmodge-
na, rom leqtors ar SeiZleba See-
winaaRmdego. iyo problema, ise-
Ti sagani gvqonda Casabarebeli,
romelic leqtorma ar wagvikiTxa,
davwereT saCivari, magram uare-
sad gadagvekidnen. studentma
unda icodes Tavisi uflebebi, ra
unda gaakeTos da moiTxovos is,
rac realurad ekuTvnis mas. iseTi
leqtoric myavda, romelic kiTx-
vas ar gvasmevinebda. davwereT sa-
Civari, Semdeg ki TviTon gvekiTx-
eboda _ `SekiTxvebi xom ar gaqvT,
bavSvebo?~
mari nakaSiZe, filosofiis
me-3 kursis studenti: `ar vici,
erovnul gamocdebamde ra situa-
cia iyo, magram dRes absolutur-
ad pesimisturad var ganwyobili.
situacia rom Seicvalos, amisT-
vis, pirvel rigSi, universiteti
damoukidebeli unda iyos saxelmwi-
fosgan da administracias xelisu-
fleba ra unda niSnavdes. mxolod
saxelisuflebo partiis intereseb-
is dacvazea yuradReba gadatanili.
pirvel kursze viyavi, roca
studentur dasaqmebaSi Sevitane
gancxadeba da TviTmmarTvelobis
Tavmjdomarem miTxra, roca dagirekaven, uTxari arCevnebSi
saakaSvils vaZlev xmaso.
universiteti upirvelesad un-
da emsaxurebodes mecnierebas da
imasac unda uwyobdes xels, rom
studenti moqalaqed Camoyalib-
des. Cven ar amoviReT xma Tundac
akreditaciis dRes, radgan gvinda,
rom am qalaqSi gvqondes univer-
siteti, radgan 90 procenti sxva
qalaqSi wasvlas ver SeZlebs. `cis-
fer mTebSi~ mgonia Tavi.
giorgi diasamiZe, studenti:
veTanxmebi studentebs, romlebic
amboben, rom Cven sazogadoebriv
saqmeSi naklebad varT CarTul-
ni. arian obieqturi leqtorebic,
Tumca ar vici, es obieqturoba
vis rogor esmis. me myavs leqto-
ri, romelic Riad ambobs, rom niS-
nis gamo megobars ar awyeninebs da
dauwers, Tundac ar ekuTvnodes.
aris SemTxvevebi, roca leqciaze
Cveni azris gamoxatvas da verc
paralelebis gavlebas ver vaxerx-
ebT. SezRuduli varT am mxriv.
leila abaSiZe, studenti: me ar
var aqtiuri studenti. Zalian min-
da, magram vici, rom ver gavaqti-
urdebi. pirveli kursidanve maqvs
gancda, rom var naklebad huma-
nuri, var ufro metad gaCumebuli,
vidre aqamde viyavi da ufro meti
SiSis grZnoba maqvs. SeiZleba meCve-
neba, magram mgonia, rom leqtori
aris CaquCiani kaci, romelic Tu
sityva gadagicdeba, Cagcxebs. bari-
eria Cvens urTierTobaSi.
mari kostava, studenti: roca aw-
ydebi bevr winaaRmdegobas, cdi-
lob ufro gaaqtiurde. Tumca, cu-
di bevrad ufro metia, vidre kar-
gi, radgan ar gismenen, Tu gisme-
nen, Sedegi mainc ar aris. cnobiere-
ba unda Seicvalos, es ki xarisxian-
ma ganaTlebam unda Secvalos.
gia masalkini: mTavari problema
is aris, rom CvenTan universiteti
emorCileba saxelmwifo diqtats,
dasavleTSi ki ase ar aris. sanam
diqtati iarsebebs, iq saubari mo-
qalaqeobrivi cnobierebis amaRle-
baze rTulia. amitom unda moiZeb-
nos sistemuri gamosavali, SeiZle-
ba es iyos ufaso swavleba.
miranda Carkviani: TanamSromlo-
bis reJimSi unda daiZlios prob-
lemebi. adamianis ganviTareba-
Si mTavari sityvisa da gamoxatvis
Tavisuflebaa.
gia masalkini: universiteti gad-
aqceulia warmoebad, romelic uS-
vebs dabali xarisxis produqts, ma-
Sin, roca swored aq unda duRdes
inteleqti, ibadebodes ideebi.
moamzada lela dumbaZem
diskusia `preskafeSi~
cnobierebis SesacvleladSiSi, komfromizmi da araprofesionalizmi
studentebi preskafeSi