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Dr.PaulLaViolette:EarthunderFire:GalacticSuperwavesLagonissi,Greece,29July,2009
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PAULLaVIOLETTE(PLV):ThisistheproblemwithBlackProjects.They’recompletelyisolatedfromtherestoftheworld,discoveringthingsasiftheyfoundthemthemselvesforthefirsttime,while
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everyoneelsewhomayhavebeendoingalotofworkonthesubjectisleftoutoftheloop;thatreallypeopleshouldbebroughtinfromoutsidetohelponthis.
Whykeepitsecret?Weallwanttohelpouttoprepareforthenextevent.
Personally,mystandpointis,fromalltheworkI’vedone,Icanonlytalkaboutprobabilities,thatwe’reoverdueforone,butIdon’tknowwhenit’sgoingtocome.Icansaythatwithinthenext400years,there’sover90percentchancewe’regoingtohaveone.Whetherit’sasmalloneoralargeone,Idon’tknow.Sothat’sthebestIcando.
Now,IwouldbesayingsomethingentirelydifferentifIhadrealevidencethattherewasone,thatsomebodyhadactuallydetectedone.
AndthiswouldhavealsowhatwecallanEMP–ElectroMagneticPulse–associatedwithit,similartowhatahigh-altitudenuclearexplosionwoulddointheatmosphere.
KERRYCASSIDY(KC):So,areyouthatrarething,“AScientistwithaConscience”?
PLV:Iguessyou’dsayso,yeah.It’sjustme,Iguess.Myinterestis
inhelpinghumanity.I’minterestedinthetruthandnotlivinginsomedreamofsomebeliefsystemthatotherpeoplearetellingyouanditdoesn’tfitthedata.
StartofInterview:
BILLRYAN(BR):ThisisBillRyanandKerryCassidyfromProjectCamelotandthisisWednesday,the29thofJuly,2009,andweareinLagonissi,whichisjustsouthofAthensinGreece.It’sourgreatpleasuretobeherebecauseweareherewithDr.PaulLaViolette,whoisbestdescribed,Ibelieve,asamaverickastrophysicistwhohassomeveryimportanttheoriesthatmaypossiblybeofsomeimpact,ifI
dareusethatword,topeopleonthisplanetatthistime.
We’reheretoaskPaultoexplainthe“HypothesisoftheGalacticSuperwave”andthat’sthesmallestnutshellIcanputthisinto.
KC:SoPaul,whydon’tyouintroduceyourselfandsaysomethingaboutyourbackground?
PLV:Well,IgrewupinafamilyofscientistsinSchenectady,NewYork.Bothmyparentshadworkedonthe“ManhattanProject.”Myfatherwasanuclearengineerworkingonnuclearsubmarinesatthetime,soI
wasexposedatanearlyagetonuclearreactorsandnuclearphysics.
Iwassortofasciencebufffromveryearly,withhobbiesinchemistry,electronics,pyrotechnics.[laughs]Iwasthefellowonthestreetwhowaslaunchingrocketsfromhisbackyard–almosthadaprettybadaccident.ItwassortofjustastrokeofluckthatIdidn’tgethurtbadly.
WemovedtoGreeceforacoupleyearsandthatwasquiteanexperience
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whenIwasinhighschool.IwenttoJohnsHopkinsformyBAinPhysics.IthendidanMBA.
Iwasaconscientiousobjector,sointhemiddleofmybusinessdegree,Itookofftwoyearstodoalternativeservice;IwasworkingatHarvarddoingresearchonpublichealth,onrespiratoryprotectionofworkers.
ThenafterfinishingattheUniversityofChicago–myMBA–IdidmyPh.D.inSystemScienceatPortlandStateUniversity.Thattookquiteafewyearstogothroughthat.
ThenIfoundedTheStarburstFoundationupongraduatingandthat’sstillgoing.It’saresearchinstitute.
KC:Whatisitresearching?
PLV:Well,Ifoundeditwiththepurposeofinvestigatingfurtherthe“SuperwavePhenomenon”,andintheeventthatsignsofasuperwavewereabouttobearriving,thatwewouldgointohighgearalerting,likewhenyouhavethefirstwarningsignsofanearthquake,thatyoustartalertingeveryone.
Weweredealingherewithaphenomenonthatfewpeopleknewabout,soIfeltobligatedtotryanddomybesttoinformpeopleaboutthisnewconcept.
KC:Sodidyoutrainandhirepeoplethatwereabletohandleandunderstandthesciencebehindthesuperwave?
PLV:Atonetimewehadsomevolunteershelpout,forexample,whenweweregettingicecoresamplesfromHolland,tohelppreparethechesttobringtheice,butweneverreallyhadseriousfundingtobeabletohirepeople.
KC:Okay.
PLV:MostofthecharitableinstitutionswereinterestedinfundingtheartsandtheyfiguredscienceislefttotheNationalScienceFoundationinNASA,butthey[NSF&NASA]tendtofundveryconventional-typeresearchthatfitsexactlywiththeparadigm.
KC:Sowhatyou’resayingbasicallyisthatyoucreatedthisInstitutedidyoucallit?OrwouldyoucallitaThinkTankor...?
PLV:IwouldcallitaResearchInstitute.
KC:Institute.Okay.Andintheoryit’sthereincaseyoufindthatthesuperwavereallyisontheway.Butinasensehaven’tyoufoundthatthatistruealready?
PLV:Well,yeah.Thereisasuperwaveonthewayfromthecenterofthegalaxy–it’s23,000light-yearstraveleddistance.Ibelievethere’snotonebutseveralontheirwaytowardsus.
TherewereotherpurposesfortheFoundationalso;itwastodofurtherworkonaphysicsthatIdevelopedcalledSubquantumKinetics
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whichhasnewimplicationsbothfortechnologyandforcosmology.Infactitcompletelyrevisesthewayweregardtheworld,theUniverse.
AlsoI’vedonesomeworkinthepsychologyareaofthoughtformationandsothatwasathirdpossibleareawecouldinvestigate.Butalsoalternativeenergywasafourthtopic.So,allofthese.
KC:Okay,soyou’resayingthatthereisagalacticsuperwaveonthewayandyouthinkthere’smorethanone.
PLV:Yes.Several.
KC:Several.
PLV:Mm-hm.
KC:Okay,andthereasonyouthinkthere’smorethanoneis...?
PLV:Well,youlookatthepasttounderstandthefuture.Inthiscaseyou’redealingwithacyclicphenomenon.WehavetheicecorerecordfrombothAntarcticaandGreenlandandpeoplehavemeasuredberyllium-10,whichisanindicatorofcosmicrayintensityonthesurfaceoftheEarth.Soitsortofgivesyouachartofhowcosmic
rayintensityhasvariedoverthelastfewhundred-thousandyears,andgoingbackyouseethesepeaks.
IhadpredictedyouwouldfindpeakswhenIdidmyPh.D.dissertationonthistopicatPortlandStateUniversityandlaterthedatacameout,andindeed,therewerepeaks.Youcantakethisandanalyzeittolookatfortheperiods.Youfindthattherearecertainperiodsthatcomeoutofthisdata.Oneofthemisaround26,000to28,000years,whichisapproximatingtheprecessionalcycleoftheEarth.Infact,thetwotendtomatchupinacertainwaywhichisveryinteresting.
Anotherisaround11,500years.Andthethirdoneisaround5,700years,whichisclosetotheMayancalendarcycle.AndyouseethattherewasamajoreventattheendoftheIceAgebetween11,000and16,000yearsago,andthatwe’reinfactoverduenowforanotherone.
Thereweresmallerevents.Youseeasmalleventaround5,300yearsago;itlastedmaybe20yearsorso.There’salsoverysmallevents–averagingevery500yearsorso–sincethen.Therewere14smallpuffsofgasthatwereemittedfromthegalacticcenter,whichindicates[that]itwasactive,butitwasn’tactiveenoughtocreateapeakthatyoucouldseeinthe[ice]record.
KC:Soyoudeterminedthisbylookingattheicecoresandtheamount
ofdebrisinthem?AmIwrong?
PLV:Well,theywereanalyzingberyllium-10,whichisaradioactiveelement.It’sproducedintheatmospherebycosmicrays.Itdoesn’toriginateonEarthbecause,beingradioactive,iteventuallydissipates,decaysaway.Ithasahalf-lifelongerthancarbon-14,sotheycangobackfurtherthanwithcarbon-14,withthis.
KC:Okay.Sowhenyousaythere’sasmallevent,whatisasmalleventcomprisedof?HowdoesthataffecttheEarth?PLV:Thesmallevent
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thathappened5,300yearsago,itwasjustalittlespikeanditwaseasilymissed.Itwasonlyseenbecausethisparticularresearcherdidaverydetailedstudyofthe[ice]coreandtheyfoundit–withoutremarkingwhatitwas.Iwastheonethatcalledattentiontoit.
Atthesametime,anotherresearcherfoundthattheclimatecooledinexplicablyatthattimeandbecamedry.Infact,intheAndestheyfound...LonnieThompson,aglaciologistwhoIworkedwithatthetimeIwasdoingmyPh.D.research,hewastheonewhosentmesamplesfromtheCampCenturyicecorethatIhadanalyzed.
Histeamfoundactualvegetationfrozenintheice,sortoflikeflash-frozen,itstillhadagreencolor,youknow,asifthereweresomehailstormatthattime.It’sthesameyeartheyfoundtheIceMan;theIceManintheAlpsdatestoaboutthesametime.Soitseemslikethereweresuddenblizzardsthatoccurredaboutthattime.
KC:SoareyouextrapolatingthatthissuperwavecouldcauseanIceAge?
PLV:Inthiscaseitdidn’t.Thesmalleventdidn’tcauseanIceAge,butitdidcausecooling.Butinalargerevent...WeseetheseeventsoccurringatthetimeoftheinitiationofthelastIceAge.YouseethemliningupnotonlywiththebeginningoftheIceAgebutalsoattheending,andwithmajorclimatictransitionsinbetween.Sothere’sadefiniteconnectionbetweenclimateandthesuperwaves.
KC:Okay.BR:Iwanttoasksomequestionshereonbehalfofalotofintelligentlistenerswehavewhoarealerttoyournameandtothefactthatyouhavebeensayingsomethingsthatareconsideredbymanyintelligentpeopletobeimportant,buttheystilldon’tknowwhata
superwaveis.Iwonderedifyoucanbackrightupandtellourviewers:Whatisasuperwave?Anddotheyexist,orisitjustahypothesizedevent?Andwhyshouldtheycare?
PLV:Asuperwaveconsistsofcosmicrayelectrons,gamma-rays,x-rays,light,radiowaves–acrossthewholespectrum–alongwithagravitywave,andthisisalltravelingatthespeedoflighttowardsoursolarsystem.Infact,itpropagatesthroughoutthewholegalaxy,sortoflikeasphericalshelltravelingoutfromthecenterofthegalaxy.
BR:So,insimplisticterms,it’sanenormouscosmic-scale,galacticexplosioncomingfromthecenterofthegalaxy.
PLV:Right.We’veallheardofgamma-raybursts.
BR:Yes.
PLV:Infact,somescientistshavetheorizedthatthegamma-raysareaccompaniedbychargedparticlescomingalongwiththem,thatit’s
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actuallythechargedparticlesthatgeneratethegamma-raysontheway.Thisiswhatasuperwaveis,exceptonamuchlargerscale.Insteadofaburst,justofafractionofasecond,we’redealingwithsomethingthatcouldcontinueforhundreds,eventhousands,ofyears.
KC:Whenyousayitcouldcontinueforhundredsorthousandsofyears,areyoutalkingaboutitcouldtravelforhundredsorthousandsofyearsandtakethatlongtogethere?OrareyoutalkingaboutitsactualimpactonEarthlastingforhundredsorthousandsofyears?
PLV:TheactualperiodthattheEarthwouldbegoingthroughthisstorm–youcanthinkofitasagalacticstorm–couldbeanywherefromafewhundredyearstothousandsofyears,like4,000years,maybe5,000years.
KC:Soareyouseeingtracesthatinthepast–becauseyousaidevery26,000yearsthatthereisevidenceofthis,anditmatcheswiththeprecessionoftheEquinox.Areyousayingthatduringthattimethere’sevidencethatitstayedaround,itsimpactlastedforupto4,000years?Oratthosetimesdiditlastforshorterperiods?
PLV:Ifyoulookattherecord–inmybookIshowedtheberyllium-10record–-yousee,forexample,around40,000yearsagotherewas
quiteaheftypeakthere,lasting5,000years,thewholething.
Thisisactuallyoneeventthatthere’sbeenalotofstudyonbyotherglaciologists.Theyallagreethatthecosmicrayintensitywentupinarealfashionatthattime,althoughtheyproposeanalternativetheoryofsupernovaexplosion,withoutsayingwhereisthesupernova.Theysuggestedastarnearbyexploded.
Myanswertothatisthishappensveryrarely,tohaveastarexplodethatclosetocausethecosmicrayintensitytosignificantlyincrease
onEarth.Andwe’retalkingaboutmanypeaks,youknow.Theyjustwantedtoexplaintheone,butwhatabout...Intherecordthatwehave,there’ssomethingliketwelvetofifteenpeaks.
KC:Andthesearecyclicalso,inessence,starsdon’texplodeonacyclicalbasis,asfarasweknow.
PLV:That’stheotherthing.Yeah.
KC:Okay.
BR:Iwanttoaskyou,Paul,istherearecognizedhypothesizedmechanismwherebywhateveritisatthecenterofthegalaxy–and
therearethosewhothinkit’sablackhole–wouldactuallyemitthesesuperwavesonacyclicalbasis?Istheresometheoreticalbackgroundfortheexistenceofthatperiodicity?
PLV:Ihaven’theardthemputforwardsomethingtoexplainthecyclicnature.Ithinkthattheyfinditsortofmysterious.
Theconventionalview...becausetheyseethisgoingoninothergalaxies.They’recalledexplodinggalaxies,orSeyfertgalaxies;quasars.Thesearevariousnamesforthesamesortofthing.
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Atonetimetheythoughtaquasarwasanunusualobjectinspace,wheninfact,itturnsoutit’sagalaxywhosecenterhasbecomesobrightthatitlooksstar-likeandtheydon’tseethegalaxyitself.Butwiththespacetelescope,theyfoundthespiralarmsthere.
Theywouldthinkthattheseexplodinggalaxieshaveacycleontheorderofseveralhundred-millionyearsandthattheperiodoftheexplosionwouldlastaboutafewmillionyears,withtheideathatifithappenedinourowngalaxy--becausetheyalsowouldsay,Well,it’spossibleitwouldhappeninourgalaxy,too;buttheysay,Well,we’reinaquiescentperiodnow,whichshouldholdforatleastanother50-millionyears,soweshouldn’tbeworryingaboutit.
Andevenifitdidhappen,theconventionalviewisthatthesecosmicrayswouldbeheldbackbythemagneticfieldsthatthesewouldcometoourrescuetoholdbackthecosmicraysfromleavingthecenterofthegalaxy.
KC:Sotogetbacktoyourtheory,though,ofwhatyoucallthesuperwave,youseeevidencethatweareinthemidstofasuperwavenow?Orseveralofthem,you’resaying?
PLV:No,theyhaven’tarrived.We’reintheeyeofthehurricane,thenicesunnyperiodinbetweenbeforethestormarrives.Thethingisthatyoucan’tseethemcomingbecausetheytravelatthespeedoflight,soit’saphenomenonthat’stotallywithoutwarning,justlikeagamma-rayburst.Theyonlyknowitwhentheirdetectorspickitup,andthenthey’reabletolocatewhereitcamefrom.
KC:Well,ifit’scomingtooursolarsystem,wouldn’totherplanetsbeaffectedbeforewewould?
PLV:Yes.Itaffectsallplanets,allstars.
KC:So,inasense,youcouldseeitcomingifyousawtheeffectson
otherplanetsbeforeithitEarth.Isthatright?
PLV:Well,thelightfromthoseeffectsontheotherplanetsalsotravelsatthespeedoflight,soitactuallylagsbehindtheactualeventitself.
BR:Yeah.Iunderstandverywellthatthisissomethingthatyoucan’tseehappeningbecauseofthenatureofthelimitedspeedoflight,andthisissomethingthattravelsoutwardatthespeedoflight.Sobasically,thiscomesupandhitsyoufrombehind,asitwere,andyou’vegotnowarning.
PLV:Yeah.TherewouldbeonlyonewayIcouldseethatyoucouldhavewarning.If,let’ssay,ahypothesis,thattherewerecivilizationsinthegalaxy,therewasintelligentlifeandtheyrecognizedtheimportanceofknowingwhenthesewerecomingandsetupoutpostsatdifferentpointsthatwereabletorelayasignalthatwassuperluminal–inotherwords,thatwouldtravelfasterthanthespeedoflight–togetthewarninghere,sowe’dknowexactlywhenthenextonewasgoingtoarrive.That’spossible.
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BR:Yeah.
KC:Okay,wellweactuallyhaveawitness,wecallhimJakeSimpson,whohassaidthattheydidsendasuperluminalcraftoutsidethissolarsystemandthattheyhaveseenawaveapproaching.Hecalleditawave.We’renotsureifheactuallymeantawave,butinessencetheysawsomethingheadedtowardus.
PLV:Whoisthey?
KC:ThepeoplethatheworksforinBlackProjects,basically.ThisisJakeSimpson.Sothatwasoneofthereasonsthatweweresortofinterestedinhearingyourtheorybecauseinmanywaysitseemstocoincidewithwhathewassaying,withwhattheysaw.PLV:Andhowcloseisit?Didhesay?
KC:Inthisperiodofyears,betweennowand2017.
PLV:Mm-hm.
BR:Yes,itwasveryinteresting.ItwasaconversationwhichIpersonallyhadwithhimlastOctoberwhenwemet.He’snotaphysicist,buthe’sanintelligentman.He’sworkedforBlackProjects
ontheinsideandhe’ssayingthingstousthatareatthelimitofwhathecansay.
Whathesaidwasthatthereisawavecoming.Hestressedthatthewavewasasortoflooseterm;itwasametaphor.Hesaidtothinkofitintermsofawave.Hesaiditlikethat.AndIhavenoideawhetherhe’sacquaintedwithyourtheories.
PLV:Well,thisistheproblemwithBlackProjects.They’recompletelyisolatedfromtherestoftheworldanddiscoveringthingsasiftheyfoundthemthemselvesforthefirsttimewhileeveryoneelsewhomayhavebeendoingalotofworkonthesubjectisleftoutoftheloop.
Theonlypeoplethatloseoutarethehumanrace,basically.BecauseI’vebeenhere;I’vebeenworkingonsuperwavessince1979;soabout30years,andIwouldbehappytoworkwiththem.IbelieveI’dhavesomethingtocontributeiftheydidindeedhavesomeinformationlikethat.
KC:Soactuallyisitpossiblethattheyarefollowingyourwork?Benefitingfromit?
PLV:Oh,I’msurethey’veboughtmybookandit’scirculatedamongtheBlackProjectscientists.
KC:Especiallyifyourparents,asyousaid,workedintheManhattan
Project.
PLV:Well,regardlessofthat,Ithinkthey’researchingfornewideasallthetimetosortoffunnelthisintowhatthey’redoing.Ithinktosomeextenttheyrealizethattheydon’thavealltheideas,thatthere’sinterestingstuffoutthere.
ButIthinkit’sthat,really,peopleshouldbebroughtinfromoutsidetohelponthis.Whykeepitsecret?Weallwanttohelpout,toprepareforthenextevent.
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Personally,mystandpointis,fromalltheworkI’vedone,Icanonlytalkaboutprobabilities,thatwe’reoverdueforone,butIdon’tknowwhenit’sgoingtocome.BecauseI’mlookingatthepastrecord,Iseethecycles.
Iseewhenthelasteventsoccurred,andIcansaythatwithinthenext400years,there’sover90percentchancewe’regoingtohaveone.Whetherit’sasmalloneoralargeone,Idon’tknow.Sothat’sthebestIcando.
Now,IwouldbesayingsomethingentirelydifferentifIhadrealevidencethattherewasone,thatsomebodyhadactuallydetectedone.TheStarburstFoundation,forexample,wouldgointohighgeartosay,youknow:We’vegottostartpreparing.
We’renotpreparedforsomethinglikethis.NotevenforaCarringtoneventsolarflarewhichcouldwipeoutallthepowersystems,ifwehadone.
KC:Soareyousayingthatthesuperwavewouldresultinthewipingoutofthepowersystems?
PLV:Ohyeah.
KC:Whatothereffectswouldithave?
PLV:Thethingis,thesuperwave,onitsforefront,wouldhaveaverydensesortofshock-frontofcosmicraysandthiswouldhavealsowhatwecallanEMP–ElectroMagneticPulse–associatedwithit,similartowhatahigh-altitudenuclearexplosionwoulddointheatmosphere.
Whenthisarrives,it’sgoingtocreatesimilarphenomena,justliketheStarfishExplosion–IbelieveitwasnearHawaii–andwhentheEMPwavearrived,therewerewholesectionsoftheislandthatwere
havingblackoutsasaresult.Italsowouldfryelectroniccircuits;phoneswouldgoout.We’vehadevensmallerevents,likegamma-raybursts,affectthecommunicationsystemsanddodamagetoourcommunicationsystems.Sosomethinglikethiswouldprettymuchroastallthesatelliteequipmentwe’vegot.Celltelephoneswouldn’tbeworking.TVwouldbeofftheairifitdependedonsatellite.
Perhapstelephoneswouldcontinuetoworkifitwasfiber-optic,ifitwasinsulatedfromthissortofthing.Yourpowerlineswouldpickupthepulse.Thewireswouldhaveahugevoltagesurgewhichwouldfrythetransformers–thestep-downtransformersthatgofromyourmillion-voltvoltagesdowntothevoltagesyouuseinyourhouse.
KC:Wouldn’titalsoaffectthecarsthatwehavenow?
PLV:Thecarsthatareallnowwithchipsinthem.InthecaseofanEMPfromanuclearexplosion,forexample,theywarnthatitcouldfrythechipsinacar.
KC:Andthisissomethingthatcouldlastforahundredyears,you’resaying,onceitarrived.
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PLV:Theforefront–we’retalkingaboutsomethingthatmightjustbeminutes,anditwouldbeprobablyprecededbyagravitywavewhichwouldcauseearthquakes;seismiceventsallovertheEarth,notjustinoneplace.Sothatmightbethefirstwarning,actually,thingsshaking.
BR:Letmebackupjustafractionagaintohelpourviewersunderstandthis,mostlytohelpmeunderstandthis.Doesasuperwaveincorporateagamma-rayburst,orarethesetwodifferentphenomenathatyou'redescribing?
PLV:Different.Thegamma-rayburststhattheytalkaboutareusuallyfromisolatedstellarexplosions,perhapsverypowerfulsupernovaexplosions.Theyhavesomespecialphysicsinvolvedthere,thatthestarsareveryunusual,likeneutronstarscollidingandsoon.
BR:Okay.
PLV:Thethingisthatwhatevertheyare,wecanonlyguessbecausethey’resofaraway.Mostofthegamma-rayburststhatwe’repickingupcomefromothergalaxies,millionsoflight-yearsaway.
There’sbeenonlyonecasewe’veobserved,onethatcamefromwithin
ourgalaxy.Itwasaplacenearthegalacticcenter,butnotatthecore.What’sunusualthereisthatabouttwodaysbeforethegamma-rayburstarrivedwastheworstseismiceventthatwe’vehadin30yearsthatcausedthe2004BoxingDayTsunamiinMalaysiaandover250,000peoplediedinthatevent.
KC:Soyou’resayingthatwascausedbyagamma-rayexplosion?
PLV:Gamma-rayburst.Thiswasthefirstonetheyfoundthatwasemittedfromwithinourgalaxy.Itwasthemostintensethatthey’deverobservedinthehistoryofgamma-rayobservatoryphysics.
Thecoincidenceofbeingjustshortlyaftertheworstearthquakewe’ve
hadin40years...Youcandotheprobabilitiesandyoucomeupwithverysmallprobabilitythatit’sduetochance.
KC:Soyou’resayingthisgamma-rayversusasuperwave;ifyouweretocomparethemasevents,wouldyousaythatthesuperwaveis...itsoundslikeit’smuchmorelong-range,itwouldimpactforyearsatatime.
PLV:Yeah.
KC:Andit’scyclicalasopposedtothegamma-rayburststhatmaybearen’texplainable?
PLV:Thegamma-rayburst,probablythesourcestarendsupblowingitselfupcompletelyintosmithereens,sothere’snocycleinvolved.
Whereascoreexplosions,we’redealingwiththemassiveobjectatthecenterofthegalaxy–scientistscallitablackhole.Idon’tbelieveinblackholesandIknowotherastrophysiciststhatdon’tbelieveinblackholes,butIdobelieveit’saverymassiveobject.Ibelieveit’sthecoreofastar.
Innaturalevolution,astarwillejectitsatmosphereandyou’releft
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withaverydensecore.Ithasadensitysimilartoawhitedwarfstarwhichis,liketheysay,one-ton-per-cubic-centimeter;orinanextremecase,gotothedensityofaneutronstar,whichisamilliontimesgreater.
Imean,we’retalkingaboutaspiralgalaxywhosecoreobjecthasevolvedtothepointwhereit’sstartingthisoutburstcycle.And,bytheway,that’showagalaxyisformed.Theseoutburstsactuallyparticipateintheformationofthegalaxy.That’swhatcausesthespiralphenomenon,becausewithouttheseoutbursts,thespiralarmswouldwinduponthemselves.Thisisaproblemwhichastrophysicistshavewonderedabout:Whydon’tthespiralarmswindupasitturns?Wellit’sbecauseyouhavetheseperiodicoutburstscomingoutandtheysortofpropeleverything.
KC:Butdoyouknowwhatcausesthat?Theperiodicoutbursts?
PLV:Yeah.IhavetheorythatcomesoutofSubquantumKinetics.InSubquantumKinetics,youhaveacontinuouscreationofmatterandenergy,basicallyaviolationoftheFirstLawofThermodynamics,whichisnobigdeal,youknow...maybephysicistswouldconsideritabigdeal.
Butthepointisthatwe’retalkingaboutalevelthat’s10ordersofmagnitudesmallerthanwhattheycanobserveinalaboratory.Infact,Ihavesuggestedanexperimentwheretheycanobserveitinspacewithmicrowavesignalsbetweenspacecraft.
Ipublishedtheamountoftheenergyincreaseofaphotonoverthatperiodofdistance.Infact,theyendedupfindingthis,andit’stodaycalledThePioneerEffect.
KC:Okay.SothisSubquantumKinetic–whatdoyoucall–particles?
It’satheory...
PLV:SubquantumKineticsisthenameIgavetothephysics.It’sresultingfromtakingconceptsinsystemtheory,theareaIwasstudyingformyPh.D.work.
Ifyoubringsystemsconceptsintophysicsandbring,forexample,modelsthathavebeendevelopedintheareaofchemistry,ofhowchemicalwavesform,Irealizedthatthese,forexample,formaverygoodmodelfordescribinghowaparticleformsinspace,andyoufindthatitsolvesalotofproblemswhichphysicshadbefore.
Physicstraditionallyhasbeenbasedonmechanicsandwe’retalking
aboutachemicalreactionapproachtophysics.Actuallyyoucouldsayit’salchemicalandittiesinwithancientideas,too.
KC:Doesthisrelatetohyper-dimensionalphysicsandparticlesbeingwavesdependingonhowyoulookatthem?
PLV:Okay,itdoespostulatetheexistenceofhigherdimensions.Thebasicidea,whichiswhatsteeredmeintoallofthisworkthatI’vebeendoing,wastherealizationthatthebasisofExistenceisflux.Thisistotallydifferentfromwhatphysicistshavebeenteaching.
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Physiciststeachthatthebasisofexistenceisstructure–thereareparticlesthataresomehowboundtoeachother,evenquarks.Theyspeakofquarksingluons,the“glue”thatholdsthemtogether,sotospeak.
Iftheybegintalkingaboutflux...Becausefromtheirpointofview…physicsisapositivistscience.Theywanttoobserve,toactuallysay:Well,thereitis.Iobserveit.
Whereisthisflux?Well,theycan’tseeit.Youcan’tseethisfluxbecauseit’satanethericlevel.Youpostulateanetherasasubstrateformingphysicalphenomena.
BR:Agamma-rayburstbasicallyisalocaleventthatcomesfromasupernova,whichishugelydestructiveandpowerfulandwe’requitefortunatetonothaveanynearus.Webasicallymainlyhaveseenthem,ifIunderstanditright,inneighboringgalaxies.
Butthesuperwaveissomethingdifferent,whichiscyclical,isaccompaniedbyagravitywave,isaccompaniedbycosmicraydebrisandlastsquitealongtime,likeastorm,andleavesitsimprintsandits
echoesmateriallyinicecoresamples,whichisthetangibleevidencethatyouhavethatthere’ssomethinggoingonherethat’snotbeingrecognized.
Canyouspeaktoallofthatandlaythisoutsimplyforpeoplesothattheycansortofseetheterritorythatwe’retalkingabouthere?
PLV:Okay.Wealsohavesupernovaexplosionsinourowngalaxy,butthey’renotofthekindoftheverypowerfulonesthatcausethesegamma-raybursts.Unless,whenwe’reseeingthesegamma-raybursts,whatitis,isjustaclumpofveryenergeticparticlesthathappened
tocomeourwayatthatmoment.Whenscientistsaresayingitwasvery,verypowerful,they’resaying:Imaginethatthiswasthesameenergyfromwhateverangleyouviewedthisstaranditwouldenduptotalingtoahuge,astronomicalamountofenergy.
Butifitwasjustaclump,acollimatedburstthathappenedtocome,thenyou’redowntomorereasonablelevels.Thethingiswedon’treallyknow;thesethingsaresofaraway.Butwedoknowthatsupernovaexplosionsthathavehappenedwithinourgalaxydon’treallyaffectusthatmuch,unlessithappenstobeoneveryclose,likewithin30light-years,whichisaveryrareevent.
Butthecoreexplosionsaredifferentinthat,insteadofjusta
fractionofasecondfortheevent,you’retalkingaboutanythingfromseveralyearsforaveryminoreventto4,000to5,000years’duration.
Thelongereventscanactuallystartaffectingclimate,becausewhattheydoistheyvaporizecometaryicewhichissurroundingoursolarsystemenduppushingthisnebularmaterialintothesolarsystem,anditaffectsthewaylightgetstotheEarthfromthesun.Itendsupenergizingthesun.Itfallsontothesun;thesunbecomesmoreactive
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andmoreofaflaringstar.
Actuallythesunendsup,then,doingmoredamagetoEarththanthesuperwaveitself.Thesuperwaveissortofwhatgetsthisdustinandthenyougetworsethingshappening.
KC:SoisitpossiblethatSolarCycle24couldbeactingontheEarthasaresultofasuperwavethat’sgoingtohitthesun?
PLV:No.
KC:No.
PLV:No,becausewe’veinthein-betweenperiod,inbetweensuperwaves.Thesolarsystemisfairlycleanofdust.
Imean,ifthesolarsystemwaspackedwithdustlikethelevelI’mtalkingabout,wewouldallseeit.Youwouldseethemoonbeingblottedoutbyadustcloudorahugedustcloudgoingacrossthesun.
KC:Oh,wow.
PLV:Itwouldbedefinitelycoasttocoastnews;bothsidesoftheplanet.
BR:Thesedustclouds,aren’ttheyalsotravelingatthespeedoflightfromthegalacticcore?
PLV:No,no,thedustdoesn’tcomefromthecoreofthegalaxy.It’salreadyaroundoursolarsystemandit’sprettymuchstationary,relativelystationary,justorbitingthesun,normally.
Butwhenthesuperwavearrives,itcreatesasortofashock-front
aroundthesolarsystembecausethesolarsystemhasmagneticfieldsaroundit,anditcreateswhattheycallbow-shockaroundtheheliopause.Heliopauseisthenameofthesortofprotectivesheathofmagneticfieldsaroundthesolarsystem.
Inthemagneticfields,thesuperwaveparticlestendtogettrappedtosomeextentandbuilduptoveryhighlevels,enoughofadensityofcosmicrayenergytoactuallystartvaporizingice.Whenthathappensit’sactuallyabletoraisethetemperaturefromcloseto,let’ssay,tendegreesaboveabsolutezero,uptothelevelwheretheicecouldvaporizeandreleasebothdustandwatervapor–gas–intospaceand
thisstuffgetspushedinasit’sbeingpushedinbythesuperwavecosmicrays.
It’slikeabattlebetweenthesolarwindandthesuperwavecosmicrays.Thesolarwindissortofexpellingthisdust,butthenthesuperwaveispushingthisinanditwillactuallycompressthemagneticfieldsheaththat’saroundthesolarsysteminward.
InmythesiswhichIpublishedin1983,[“OnGalacticCoreExplosionsandTheirEffectontheEarthandSolar
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System”…www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/EUF-CD.html]IwassuggestingthatattheendoftheIceAge,thesheathactuallygotpushedinalmosttoMars’orbit.Sofromthere,it’sjustashorthopforthisdustthentocomeinaroundthesun.
Itwouldactuallyproduceacocoonaroundthesun,sothatthesunwouldn’tbeyellowlikeweseeit;itwouldbereddish.
BR:SoletmefeedbacktoyouwhatIthinkthatyou’resaying.Whatyou’resayingisthatthesuperwavecreatesahugeenergeticimpactonthedynamicsystemsinthesolarsystemandthenthatcausessomanyenergeticcomplications–andI’mspeakingverygenerallyheredeliberately–andthat’sactuallywhatcreatesthemajorchangesintheweatherthatcouldlastseveralthousandyears.
Becausethereverberations,electromagnetically,andthedustclouds,andthebehaviorofthesunandeverythingelsearegoingtocausequitealongrippleeffectlocallyafterthesuperwaveitselfisactuallyallover.HaveIgotthatapproximatelycorrect?
PLV:Yeah.Thinkofthisinsystemsconcepts.Thinkofasystem,andtheyspeakofperturbingthesystemwithanoutsideinfluenceofforceorsomething.
BR:Yeah.
PLV:Thesolarsystem,andinfacttheEarth’sclimaticsystem,isherebeingperturbedbyconditionsthatnormallydon’texisttoday.ThewholeenergeticsaroundtheEarthchanges.
Ifit’sinplacefordecadesanddecades,that’slongenoughfortheEarth’sclimaticsystemtogetperturbedinto,let’ssay,anIceAgeortocomeoutofanIceAge.Ifitwasverybrief,itwouldn’tbelongenoughtocausethishugeclimaticshiftthatwe’veseen.
KC:Butyouaresayingthatyou’veobservedthatthisiscyclicaland
you’veobservedthatthishappensevery26,000years,andfromwhatIunderstand,inyourbookyou’repullinginastrology,theTarot,theMayancalendar,andallthesesortofpropheciesthat,youknow,howtheHopisaytherearedifferentagesthatwegothrough.Inasenseyoumustbepredictingonecomingfairlysoon.
PLV:Right.
KC:Accordingtothecycle.
PLV:Yeah.Well,Ifoundcyclesof26,000,11,500and5,700years.ThiswasastudydonebysomepeopleintheStateofWashingtonwhodidsomenumbercrunchingasasortofcontributiontoStarburst–we
dohavepeoplethathelpoutattimes.Withthatwecouldseethatwe’reoverduepresently.
Butbeforetheyhaddonethistogetmoreofascientific,accurateestimationofthecycles,youcouldseemyownwork.Ididjustbyeyeballingitandcouldseethattherewasthis,both13,000-and26,000-yearperiodthere.ButIwasalittleoff,perhaps.Theshortoneismorecloseto11,500andthenthere’sa5,700-yearperiod.
KC:Soifitarrivesfasterthanthespeedoflight,then...
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PLV:Notfaster.I’msuggestingatthespeedoflightalthoughthegravitywavewouldhavebeenslightlysuperluminalattheverybeginningifitwasduetoanexplosiveoutburstthatwouldhavecausedittogetaslightheadstart.Butprettymuchthewholethingtravelsatthespeedoflighttowardsus.
KC:Sothenitcouldhappenatanytime.Imean,amIright?
PLV:Yeah,we’reinthedangerperiod.Youhavetorealize–whichalotofscientistsdon’tbecausetheirtheoriesstillbelievethatgalacticcoreexplosionsareeveryhundred-millionyears–youhavetorealizethatweareonthefringeofavolcano,agalacticvolcano,andit’sanactivevolcano,andweshouldbeexpectingtheeruptionveryshortly.
KC:Whenyousayveryshortly,becauseIunderstandyou’relookingverylongrange–what’sveryshortly?Isthatinayear?Twoyears?Fouryears?Ahundredyears?
PLV:Idon’tknow.IonlygooutonthelimbandIsaythere’sa90percentchanceinthenext400yearsofthishappening.
KC:Allright.
PLV:IthinkI’mprettysafethatsomethingwillhappen,evenifit’sasmalloutburst.Becausemodernastronomyhasbeenaroundonlyforafewhundredyearsnow,wehaven’tseenanybrightluminositiescomingfromthegalacticcenter.
KC:Whataboutthefactthatwe’recomingequalwiththegalacticcenter?Doesthataffectanyofthisormakeitmorelikely,orwillthewayithitsuschange?
PLV:No.Whatyou’retalkingabout,theMayancalendarandthesuncrossingthegalacticplane,there’snoeffectthere.It’smoreyouhavetolookattheperiodandwhenthelasteventhappened.
It’sinterestingthatthe5,300-yearevent,thesmalleventof20-yeardurationorso,occurredjustbeforethebeginningoftheMayancalendarcycle,theonethatwe’recurrentlyin.Thatcyclebegan5,126yearsbefore2000,orbefore2012,soaround3100BC.
Whereaswe’reseeingthiseventwasaround3300BC,plusorminusafewhundredyears,becausewedon’tknowaccuratelyfromthedating.We’rerelyingonicecoredatinganditcouldbealittleoff.Maybeit’soffbyahundredyearsorso.
BR:WhatIwanttoachievehereissomewayofassistingmanypeoplewhowatchourvideostounderstandthescientificbasisforwhichit’s
plausiblethatsomethingmightbecomingthisway,andit’sinourinteresttounderstandandpossiblyeventopreparefor,thatpeoplearepickingupintuitively.They’rereadingthingsontheInternet,thingsgetdistortedandmuddiedaroundandtheydon’tknowwhatthey’rereading.
Theyhearthesetermslikesuperwaveandgamma-rayburstandtheydon’tknowwhattheymeanandtheydon’tknowwhetherthisisthismumbo-jumbo,orwhetherit’sreallysomethingthatcouldaffecttheirlivesandchangetheirlivesandtheydon’tknowwhatbasisthereis
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fortakingthesethingsseriouslyanddiggingmoreintoit.
Thereasonwhywe’reheretalkingtoyouisbecauseyou’rethemanwhorepresentsandisthespokespersonfortheseimportantideas.AndIsaythey’reimportantideasbecauseanyhypothesisinphysicsisanimportantidea.Evenifit’sdisproved,itwasanimportantideauntilitwasdisprovedandthistakesthewholethingforward,asyou’llunderstand.
Sotheopportunityhereisforyoutoexplaintotheviewersasbestasyoucanhowitisthatthesephenomenashouldbetakenseriouslyinyourrecommendation,whatimpacttheymighthaveonus.Whataretheprobabilities?
Isthiscatastrophismthatweshouldbeignoring,andsay:Youknowwhat,everything’sgoingtobefinebecauseit’salwaysbeenfine?
Ormaybethegeologicalrecordshowsthatthingshavenotalwaysbeenfineandyoushouldbeonthealertbecausewe’relivingonanunstableplanetinaverydynamicsystemthat'saffectedbyallkindsofthingswhichwe’reonlyjustonthevergeofstartingtounderstand.
PLV:Well,whatyou’resayingisthesamequestionthatwentthroughmymind:Isthisarealphenomenon?That’swhatcausedmetochangethetopicofmydissertation,myPh.D.work,toinvestigatethesuperwavephenomenon.In1979iswhenIfirstdiscoveredthatthismightoccur.Iformedahypothesis.IcalledittheGalacticExplosionHypothesisandconvincedmydissertationcommitteethatIcoulddothis,Icouldtestthishypothesis,andthatIcouldproduceaPh.D.onthis,whichIcouldn’thavedoneatalotofuniversities.
IthappenedthatIwasinaprogramthatwasveryinterdisciplinary,sotheideaofbringinginevidencefromvariousareas–fromgeology,astronomy,paleontology,highenergyphysics–wasfittingwiththis
program.
IntheendIsummarizedtheevidenceandfoundthatitallseemedtosupportthisconceptthatasuperwavehadindeedpassedthroughoursolarsystembetweenelevenandsixteenthousandyearsagocausingmajoreffectstotheclimate.
Wehadaverysignificantmassextinction,calledthePleistoceneExtinction,wherelargemammalsdiedalongwithspeciesofbirdsandanumberofotheranimals.Somepeoplehavesaiditwastheworstextinctiontohaveoccurredsincetheextinctionofthedinosaurs.
Iwasalsodrawingfromancientlegends,althoughIdidn’tincludethatinthedissertation,butIdobelievethatthat’savaluablesourceofinformation.
BR:Well,theFloodmyths,forexample.
PLV:Floodmyths,thestoryofthesunburningtheEarth,HorusbeingstungbytheScorpion–theScorpionisthesigninthedirectionofthegalacticcenter–thingslikethis.
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BR:ThisiswherethetailoftheScorpionintheastrologicalsymbolactuallypointstowardthegalacticcenter.
PLV:Right.
BR:Asiftheancientsweretryingtotellussomething.
PLV:Yeah.Therearetwoarrowsintheastrologicalsymbols.Now,rememberthatthesigns,whatwecalltheastrologicalsigns,areactualconstellationsoutthere,andthisishowtheywereoriginallyformed,asstarconstellations.
TherearetwoarrowsintheZodiac.OneistheSagittariusarrowandtheotheristhetailoftheScorpion,andtheyarebothpointing,itseems,atsomething.ThiswasmyfirstconnectionImadebetweenastrologyandtheGalacticCoreExplosionphenomenonwhenIrealizedthatthecenterofthegalaxywasinthatregionwheretheywerepointing.
BR:Sowhatyou’repositingtherewastheancientastrologers,whowerealsoastronomers,wereactuallytryingtoleaveamessageforusinsuchawaythatitwouldn’tgetlostovertime.
PLV:Right.IbelievethattheZodiacwasacryptogram,atimecapsule
messagethatwascreatedtowarnthefuturecivilizationonourplanetaboutthis.
BR:Sothat'swhereyourintellectualjourneystartedbutpresumablyyoucouldn’tsaythisinyourPh.D.thesis.
PLV:Right.Ididn’tincludeanyofthat.Imean,whocares,really,whereyougotyouridea?Thepointisyoumakeanhypothesisandyou’retestingit–istherescientificevidenceforit?–thisisthemainthingfromthescientificstandpointthatyou’reconcernedwith.
KC:So,whatyousayisthatthereisnopoleshift,thatyoudon’tseeevidenceofactual–andmaybeyoucanexplainthistome–butmyunderstandingisyousaythatthereweren’tpoleshiftsatthose26,000-yearperiods,buttherewas,instead,thisgalacticsuperwave,explosion.Oreven13,000or12,000-yearcycles.
PLV:Right.Ibelievethattheclimaticshiftsthatpeoplehave–other,Idon’tknowifyouwanttocallthemscientists–thatothertheoreticianshavesuggestedthatapoleshiftwasinvolvedincreatingaclimaticchange.
Firstofall,therearesomanyshiftsofclimatejustevenduringthe
YoungerDryas,whichwasbetween11,600and13,000yearsago.Youseesomethinglike40majorshiftsofclimatewithinthatcoldperiod,andtosaythatwastoduetoashiftingbackandforthofthepolegetstobealittleabsurd.
BR:Okay.What’syourresponsetotheseriousworkofCharlesHapgoodandRandFlem-AthandColinWilsonwho’sbeenpopularizingtheidea?
Imean,wetendtocallitpoleshifts,butthey’retalkingabout
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crustaldisplacement.Iunderstandthatyoudon’tfeelthatthecrustaldisplacementtheoryisvalid,andIwouldbeveryinterestedtohearwhythatis,inyourview.
PLV:Youknow,iftheevidencesupportedit,Iwouldbeforit,butyoujustgototheicecoreevidencetotestthattheory.Forexample,Mr.Flem-AthwastalkingaboutAntarcticabeingsortofupclosertowhereChileisduringtheIceAgeandthatitsuddenlyshifteddowntoitspresentpositionattheendoftheIceAge.
Okay,ifthatwastrue,thenyouwouldexpecttheclimateinAntarcticashouldhavebeenwarmerduringtheIceAgeandyoudon’tseethat.IsenthimsomethinglikefourclimatecurvesfromAntarcticawhichshoweditwascolderduringtheIceAge,fromdifferentpartsofAntarctica.Itdidn’tseemtoswayhim,Iguess.
Butforme,lookingatthatdata,thatrulesoutashiftingofthepoles.
BR:Soanykindofcrustal...
PLV:Plusitwouldhavecausedsloshingoftheoceans,youwould
expect,ifthereweresuchathing.Thenhowcomewedon’tfindsaltwaterdepositsinland?Wedofindflooddepositsbutit’sduetofreshwater,whichI’vesuggestedisduetomeltingoftheicesheets–acatastrophicmelting.
BR:CouldcatastrophicmeltingoftheicesheetsexplainTheGreatFlood?
PLV:Yes.Yes.
BR:Therewasthatmuchwater?
PLV:Yes.It’ssomethingthatdoesn’thappentodaybecausewedon’t
haveicesheets.Wedohaveicecaps.
LikeinIceland,wehavesituationswheretheglacierthereismeltedinacertainareabyavolcanoandcreatessortofareservoirofwaterwhicheventuallyburststhroughadamandpoursdown.Theycallthisaglacierburst.Theseareverysmall-scalecomparedtowhatwashappeningduringtheIceAge.
BR:SoinorderfortheretohavebeenaGreatFloodliketheonedescribedinthemyths,theicesheetwouldhavehadtohavebeenmuchlargerandsealevellowerthanitisatthemomentandtherewouldhavetobeacatastrophicmelting.Yourtheoryisthatthatcouldonly
havebeenproducedbysomehugecosmic-scaleevent,whichyou’recallingasuperwave.Isthatright?
PLV:Itwasmainlythesuninvolved.Thesuperwavetriggeredtheconditionsforthesunbecomingmoreactive.
BR:Okay.
PLV:AlsothecosmicdustaroundtheEarthactuallycreates,insome
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cases,awarmingeffectbecauseitcanactuallyscatterlightthatnormallygoesoutintospacebackontotheEarth,andcreatessortofaninterplanetaryhothouseeffect.
BR:Okay.
PLV:ThiswassomethingnotonlygoingonontheEarth,butalsoweseeevidenceonMarsofcanyonsthatappeartohavebeencutbytremendousfloodsofwater.
BR:Yes.
PLV:IbelievethatMarsismostlycoveredbyicesheet.It’ssortoflikeatundra.Thewallsofthecanyonsareactuallyicethatwouldhavemeltedduringsomeoftheseevents.
EspeciallytherearecaseswheretheEarthwasbeinghitbysuper-sizedcoronalmassejections.WehaveevidencefromthemoonofglazedrocksandoneNASAscientistwassuggestingthatthemoonwasexposedtoveryintenseradiationfromthesuntodothis,somethinglike100-timesgreaterluminosityofthesunforatleast100seconds.
InmydissertationIsuggestedthealternative,thatperhapsboththeEarthandmoonhadgottenengulfedinacoronalmassejection,andthatthiswashotenoughtoactuallymeltparticlesonthemoon.
KC:DoesyourtheoryaccommodatethelossofwateronMarsasaresultofasuperwaveactionuponthesun?
PLV:CanyousaymoreaboutthelossofwateronMars?
KC:Well,myunderstandingisthatMarsusedtohavewater,andmaybeevenplentifulwater,andthatatsomepointitdisappeared,andthere
aredifferenttheoriestoexplainthatdisappearance.
PLV:Marsisabouttwokilometersdeepinice.
KC:Rightnow,youmean.
PLV:It’scoveredwithanicesheetfrompoletopole.Youmightfindsomeareaswhereit’smorerock,butforthemostpartit’sice.
Whydoesitlooklikedust,likeadustysurface?BecauseonMarswhenthesunshinesonthisicysurface,theicesublimates,turnsdirectly
togas,andleavesthedustbehind.Soforthefirstfewcentimetersit’sjustdust,butbelowthatiswhatwewouldcallpermafrost.
KC:HasthisbeenvalidatedbytheRover,theMarsRover?
PLV:Yeah,theyhadaRoverthinggoingaroundjustayearagoortwo.
KC:Right.
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PLV:Theyhadpicturestheysentbackand,sureenough,therewerechunksofwhitewhichwasreallyicemixedinwiththedirt.Thereasontheyknowthatitwasice,theytookpicturesalittlewhilelaterwhenthesunhadachancetoshineonitandithaddisappeared,evaporated.[laughs]Sothisstuffisjustbelowthesurface.
Infact,theyseegullieswhichlooklikefreshly-formedbyrunningwater,soinsomecasesthisicemelts.Aslongasit’sunderground,there’senoughpressuretomakeitturnintowateranditcanactuallygushoutfromthesidesofsomeofthesecanyonsandcreatetheseravines.
BR:That’sprettyinteresting.
PLV:IwassayingthisaboutMarsbeingcoveredwithpermafrostwayback,andasmoreandmoredatahascomeoutwiththesatellites...They’vebeendoingradarsensing,andtheyfindit’sseveralkilometersorsodeepwithwaterthere.It’snotpurewater--it’smixedwithdustandstuff.
BR:Iwasn’tawareofthat.
PLV:SogoingtoMars,there’snoquestionthatwe’llfindwater.Imean,whereveryouland,allyouhavetodoisgetsomethingtomeltwhateveryoudigup.
BR:Okay.Letmetakeyoubacktotheeventsofeleven,twelvethousandyearsago,whenever.Oneoftheeventsonthelegitimatehistoricalrecord,accordingtoPlato,isthesinkingofAtlantisroundaboutthesametimeasthesemassextinctionsofallthelargemammalsandsoonandsoforth.
IsitpossiblethatasuperwavewouldbeaccompaniedbythekindofgravitywavethatIbelieve,inyourthinking,itdoesn’tcauseacrustaldisplacement,butIthinkyourwordsareitjerkstheplanet
tosuchadegreethatitcancauseseriousimpact,resultinginearthquakesandotherdisasters.
PLV:Yes.Youdon’tneedtoreallyhaveahugedisplacementofthepoletocausemajorseismicdisturbanceontheplanet.
KC:Whataboutamagneticpoleshift?Isthisrelatedatall?
PL:Ibelievethemagneticpoleshiftsareduetothesun’seffectontheEarth.Whathappensthere–Idescribeitinmythesisandarticles–whenacoronalmassejectionarrives,thesolarcosmicrayparticlesgettrappedintheEarth’smagneticfield.Theyproducewhatarecalledstorm-timeradiationbeltsaroundtheEarth.
Theparticlesendupdrifting,theelectronsinonedirection,theprotonsintheother,andthisgenerateswhattheycallaringcurrent–thisisallacceptedgeophysics–andproducesamagneticfieldopposedtotheEarth’sfield.
Theyobservedthisafterthe1956solarprotonevent,whenacoronalmassejection,afairlylargeone,hadhittheEarth.Theyobservedaonepercentdecreaseofthemagneticfieldatthattime.
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Soallyouhavetodoisscalethatupahundredtimes,andtherewereinfacteventsthatwerethatlargearoundthetimeoftheextinctionofthemammothsandgroundsloths,andyoudoseecarbon-14spurts.
ThisissomethingI’mabouttopublish.Thisisverynew.I’veactuallylocatedintheicecoretheeventwhenthatsolarcosmicraybursthittheplanet.ThatwouldhavebeenenoughparticleenergytoactuallycancelouttheEarth’smagneticfield.
KC:Soyou’resayingthatthesinkingofAtlantisresultedfromthat?
PLV:No.IhaveatotallydifferentviewoftheAtlantisstory.Ibelieveit’sanallegoricalstory.Idon’tbelieve...andI’vearguedwithpeoplewhoareAtlantisenthusiasts.Theybelievethey’regoingtogooutandfindanislandwithmoatsanddikesaroundit.
Now,that’sthepartinCritias.TheAtlantismythisbrokenintotwoparts,oneinPlato’sBookofCritias,andoneinPlato’sBookofTimaeus.
TheCritiasmythisthecreationofAtlantisandtheTimaeusmythisaboutTheFlood,which,ifyoudatethetimeit’sgiveninPlato’s
myth,itcomestoabout11,600yearsagowheninfacttherewasaveryacceleratedperiodofglacialmelting.Thesealevelwasrisingveryrapidlyatthattime,soyouwerehavingflooding.
IbelievethatintheTimaeusmythAtlantisissymbolizingtheicesheet.Thesinkingsignifiestheicesheetwasmelting.
Asyourememberinthemyth,itwastalkingaboutAtlantisleavingbehindashoalofmud.Whenicemeltsandthefloodssubside,that’swhatyouhave,ashoalofmud.SoineffectAtlantis,theNorthAmericanicesheet,whichisalmostlikeacontinent–theyspeakofitasacontinent–dissipatedandisnowinthewaters,theocean.
InfactinPlato’sbookthisisadiscussionbetweenSolon,therulerofAthens,andapriestinEgypt,atSais,Egypt.Thepriesttellshimthatthesemyths,likethestoryofAtlantisortheconflagrationmythaboutPhaetonandtheSunChariot,wherethesunendedupburningtheEarth,thattheseareallegoricalstories.Thesethingsdidn’treallyhappenthewaythemythsdescribe.
Youhavetoinferthatthisisaparable,lookatitallegorically.Forexample,hereferredtothestoryofPhaeton,thatthisreallyrepresentsastronomicalbodiesintheireffectontheEarth,infact
inthiscasethesun.
KC:Sowhataboutthattheysaythatthemagneticpolesareshiftingnow.Doyouagreewiththat?
PLV:Byhowmucharetheysaying?[laughs]
KC:Well,I’mnotsure.Bill,canyouexplain?Ithinkthey’veactuallysaidthereisanoticeableshiftrecently.
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BR:Yeah.Idon’thavethenumbers.Myunderstandingisthatit’srecognizedthattherelookstobeagradualshifthappeningbecauseofaweakness...Thereseemstobeagradualshifthappening.Idon’thavethenumbers.Thatmaymeanthatit’shardforustotalkaboutbutIthoughtthatthatwasrecognized.MaybeI’mwrong.
PLV:Well,theintensityofthemagneticfieldhaschangedovertime.It’svariedupanddownbyabout50percentduringthislastinterglacial,thelast11,000years.Infactit’sbeenweakeningsince2,000yearsago.
Sothat’satrendwhichprobablycouldbecontinuing.Ihaven’tlookedatthesamedatayou’retalkingabout.
KC:Okay.TogetbacktothegalacticsuperwaveanditsimpactonEarth,andwhenitcouldoccur,areyouusingpredictive...sortofreferencingcertainthingsliketheTarot,likeastrology,like,youknow,theIChing,etcetera,topredictthecomingofthesuperwave?
PLV:No.
KC:Okay.Sowhatareyouusing?
PLV:It’sallbasedonscience.Andsomethingwedidn’tgettois:Whatistheevidenceforthepastevent?Ireallydidn’tgetintothat.
KC:Okay.
BR:[unclear]
PLV:Imadeaseriesofpredictionsandonewasif–andthiswasthekeytestthatIperformed,buttherewereothers–wasthatifthishadactuallyoccurred,itwouldhavepushedcosmicdustintothesolarsystemandweshould,therefore,seehigherlevelsatthattime.
SoIdidastudyoficecoresamples.IwassentsomebyLonnieThompsonandIalsogotsomeicedirectlyfromtheIceCoreLaboratoryandprocesseditmyself.
IusedNeutronActivationAnalysis,whichisatechniquewhereyouirradiatethedustthatyoufilteroutfromtheice.Youirradiateitinanuclearreactoranditbecomesradioactiveandyouseewhat’sinit.
Iwaslookingparticularlyfornickelandiridium,which,forexample,
iridiumis10,000timesmoreabundantincosmicmaterialthanitisinthetypicalcrustalmaterial.I,infact,foundpeakswheretheiridiumlevel,forexample,washundredsoftimeshigherthanwhatwenormallygettoday,soitindicatedsomethingwasreallyhappening.
ThiswasadiscoverythatwasassignificantasthediscoveryoftheiridiumpeakattheCretaceous-Tertiaryboundary.
Now,thedifferencethereisyouhadaNobelLaureateintheteam,
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alongwiththreeotherswhoweremembersoftheBerkeleyfaculty.Iwaswithamoderately-knownuniversity,PortlandState,butIwasnotinanastronomyprogramorgeologyprogram;Iwasinthesystemsprogram.
Sothiswaspassedoveratthetime.ItwascitedbysomeastronomersintheUK–VictorKlube–forhisowntheory[laughs]actuallybeforemyresultswerepublished,whichtickedmeoffalittle,sayingthatacomethadhittheEartharound14,000yearsago.
Asitturnedout,mydatingwasoffatthattimebecauseicecoresweren’tproperlydatedinthosedays–thiswasintheearly’80s.WhenIfinallyfoundtheproperdatingoftheicesamplesthatIdated,itturnedouttheywerebetween35,000and70,000yearsold,soIwaslookingataperiodintheearly-to-middleIceAgeratherthanthepartIreallywantedtotest.
Actuallytheicewasmissingfromtheicerecordfromthatperiodbecauseithadalreadybeensampled.ThatwasthemostinterestingareathatresearcherswantedtolookatwasattheendoftheIceAge,soevenifIwantedtoIcouldn’thavestudiedthatpart.
KC:Well,howdoyouaccountforthat?
PLV:Whyistheicemissing?Becauseotherresearcherssampledthatveryheavilyandalltheicegotgobbledup.Icamelateinthegame,sotospeak.ThosecoreshadbeenaroundforatleastfiveyearsbeforeIstartedmytests.
KC:Butwhatyou’resayingisinessencethatyoudidprovethefactthattherewasanescalationintheamountofiridium,asyoucalledit.
PLV:Well,itwasthefirsttimeelevatedamountsofcosmicdusthad
beenfoundintheicerecord.Infact,inoneofthesamples,Ifoundhighlevelsofgoldwhichwouldhavebeen,ifitwasamine-abledeposit,youcouldhavemadealotofmoneyinthatsection.
KC:Whenwasthis?
PLV:Thatwasaround50,000yearsback.
KC:Okay.Well,I’mnotsurethisisrelatedatall,butmyunderstanding...Idon’tknowifyougobacktothedaysoftheAnunnakiwhentheysupposedly...youknow,ZechariaSitchin’sworkandthefactthattheyweremininggoldtoputintotheatmosphereoftheirownplanettoprotectitfromthesun’sraysandsoon,theloss
ofatmosphere.Isthereanycorrelationtherebetweenyourfindingalotofgoldinthesamplesthatyouweregetting50,000yearsago?
PLV:Well,goldisalsoanenhancedmaterialincosmicdust.Youfindseveralhundredtoathousandtimesmoregoldinmeteoritesandcosmicdustthanyoudo,typicalofEarthcrustmaterial.SotheEarth,Ibelieve,wasbeingexposedtoincreasedamountsofgolddust.
Infact,goldnuggetscouldcomefromspace.Youhavemythstoriesof
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goldmeteors,youknow,wheretheyfindanugget.Infact,thisgoldtendstobeconcentratedatthebottomofgraveldeposits.Wheneverthere’saflood,theheavystuff’sgoingtodepositfirstandsowhateverwascomingdownendedupgettingconcentratedbythesefloodsincertainlayers.
Butanyway,thatwasonevictoryforthehypothesis.Also,Iwasnoticingthatcertainsupernovaexplosions–infactthiswaspartofwhattippedmeoffaboutthesuperwavephenomena–thatitwasn’tjustanexplosionatthecenterofthegalaxy,butsomethingcameoutandwasactuallytriggeringsupernovaexplosionsasitmovedoutfromthecenter.
KC:Oh,okay,soit’sactuallyaffectingstars.
PLV:Itaffectsstars,yes.Starsthatarenearreadytoexplodethatmightbeontheunstablepartoftheirhistory,endupexploding.
Forexample,theVelasupernovaremnantoccurredatthetimewhenthissuperwavewasmovingthroughourarea.TheVelaistheclosestsupernovaremnanttothesolarsystem,that’softheyoungremnants;andthentheCrabNebulawhichwas6,000light-yearsfartheraway,so
itoccurredlater.
It’sdocumentedintheChineserecordsof1054AD,July4th[laughs]asitturnsout.Thatwentoffanditwasseen.
Youhavetofigurethatittakestimeforthelighttocometous,soit’slike6,500light-yearsawayinthedirectionoppositetothegalacticcenter.Soyouhavetoallowabout6,500yearsforthesuperwavetogetoutthere,thenittriggersthis,andthere’sanother6,500orsoyears.That’swhywesawitmorerecently.
WhenIplottedthenewsupernovaremnants,Ifoundthattheytendtolineuponthiseventhorizon,asIcallit.It’sactuallyan
ellipsoidalhorizonwhenyouplotitoutwiththeEarthatonefocusandthegalacticcenterattheother.
Thereasonforthat–whyisn’titasphere?Becauseifyouthinkofthis,actuallythesuperwavetravelsoutasasphere,ashell,butforus,wehavetoallowfortimefortheradiationtoreachus.Soifthesecosmicrayelectronsaregeneratingradiowavesatsomestarsystem,youhavetoallowtimeforthatradiationtoreachus.Whatyouseeisthatthere’sashellofradioradiationouttherethatwe’reinsideofthat’sbeinggeneratedbythesesuperwavecosmicraysastheygooutandtheyinteractwithmagneticfieldsandsoon.
Whenyouplotthatonagraph,thatmodelfitslikeaglovetowhat’scalledacosmicradiobackgroundradiation,whichisacknowledgedthatit’sproducedbycosmicrays,butscientistsdidn’treallyhaveagoodexplanationofwhyit’sthere.Youknow,theyweresuggesting:Well,maybethesesupernovaexplosionsgooutandcontribute.Thesuperwavemodelpredictionfitbetterthananythingthathadbeenpublishedbefore.
BR:Isthatthesamebackgroundradiationthatmostcosmologists
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believeisevidenceofTheBigBang?
PLV:No.That’sthemicrowavebackgroundyou’retalkingabout.Thisisthegalacticradiobackground.
BR:Okay.
PLV:Andmorerecentlytheyfoundthere’salsoagalacticgamma-raybackgroundwhichisadiffuseemissionandtheycan’texplainwhyitisdiffuse.Theywouldexpectifitwasduetostars,youshouldseeclumpshereandthereofgamma-rays.Instead,it’sverydiffuse.Andagain,Ibelievethat’sduetotheshellofcosmicraysgoingout.
Thethingisthatmostoftheenergyfromthesuperwaveendsupbeingdirectedoutwardfromthegalacticcenter,soonceitpassesyou,youdon’tseeitveryeasily.Thisradiationthatwe’reseeing,thatastronomersreport,isonlywhenthecosmicraysendupgettingcaughtinamagneticfieldandtheyturntheirsearchlightstowardsus.
Inotherwords,they’rebeamingthatenergy,thatradioemission,outwardinthedirectionthey’retraveling,butiftheygetcaughtandturnedaround,we’llseesomeofthat.Butthat’sasmallfractionofthosecosmicrays.Weareveryawarewhenit’shappening.Whenit
arrivessuddenly,youknow,we’regoingtoseeabluish-whitestarintheskysimilartowhattheHopistalkaboutandwe’llseealotofactivityofsortofaurora-likethingsaroundtheheliopause,thatshellaroundthesolarsystem.We’llseeauroralactivityinourownmagneticfield.
KC:WhatabouttheeffectsonDNA?Haveyoupositedanypossibleeffects?
PLV:Well,ifyoufigurethelevelswe’retalkingabout...becauseyoucan’tpostulatetoogreatcosmicrayintensitiesbecauseotherwise,ifthatwasthecase,thesurfaceoftheEarthwouldberadioactive,like
you’dhavehugecarbon-14levels.InfactthatwasarestrictionthatIhadtoputintomymodel.
Lookingatthelevelsthatarereasonable,youwould’vehadaslightincreaseofmutationrate,maybeadoublingortriplingmutationrateatthattime.
However,it’snotreallythesuperwavecosmicraysthatareofmostconcern.It’stheonesfromthesun,becauseoncethesun...thisisonlyinthecaseofverylong-lastingsuperwaveswherethedusthascomeinandsurroundedthesunlongenoughtoaggravateitintowhatwecallaTTauristar.Becauseweseestarssimilartooursunthatareindustcocoonsthatareveryactiveandspewingoutcoronalmass
ejectionsandsupersolarflares.
Sooncethesungoesintothatphase,andoneoftheseverylargeevents–likeextinction-levelevents–hitstheEarth,thennotonlyareyoudealingwithmajormutationalchange,butalsopossibledeathifyouhappentobecaughtoutsidewhenthishappens.
Andit’sinteresting,geologistshavefoundaconnectionbetweenextinctionsandmagneticreversals,andtheycouldn’treallyunderstandwhyistherethisconnection.IftheEarth’sfieldwentto
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zero,you’dgetmaybeadoublingofthecosmicraybackgroundontheEarth,sothatwouldn’tbeenoughtocauseanextinction;maybeitwouldacceleratealittlethemutationrate.
Butifbothwereduetoacoronalmassejectionfromthesun–itwasanextinction-levelevent–thatwouldexplainit.Sothey’rebothduetoathirdcauseinthatcase;they’renotdirectlycausallyrelated.
BR:Itsoundsverycompelling,certainlytothedegreethatwecantalkwithyouaboutthisonanon-scientificlevel,asitwere,butwhatmeasureofsupportandinteresthaveyouhadfromthemainstreamscientificcommunity?PLV:I’vebeen,forexample,totheGalaxyandSolarSystemConferenceandtherewasalsotheLunarandPlanetaryScienceConferenceinHoustonwhereIgaveaposterpaper.IstoodinfrontofaboardwhereIhadthewholethinglaidoutandexplainedtopeoplewhowouldcomeupanddidtalkwithsomefairlyhigh-levelcosmicrayastrophysicistswhofoundthewholeideaveryplausible.
Ihaven’thadanyonepublishapaperagainstthetheory.IwashopingsomebodywouldbecauseIwouldhavenailedtheirearstothewall.[laughs]Ifeeltheevidenceissostrongtosupportit.
Basically,ingeneral,whyaren’ttheyallcomingonthebandwagon?
Well,it’samajorchangeoftheparadigm.Theparadigmisthateverythingiscalmoutthere;wedon’thaveanythingtoworryabout;youdon’twanttogetintocatastrophismbecausethatmakesyouemotional;emotionsshouldn’tbeinscience;weshouldn’tbescaredwhenwedoscience.
Idon’treallygetscaredbythis;I’mjuststudyingthepast.It’ssomething,youknow...You’reconcerned,it’ssomethingweshouldknowabout,aboutourfuture.Butsciencehastraditionallystayedawayfromtheseareas,anythingdealingwithcatastrophism.IfyoulookatalltheflackthatthegroupfromBerkeleygotwhentheymadeadiscoveryaboutthedinosaursbeinghitwithacometorasteroid...theywereattackedbymanypeople,manygeologistswhofeltthatwe
shouldonlydogeologybasedonwhat’shappeningontheEarth:volcanoes,thissortofthing.
Andthatwassomething65millionyearsago.NowyoucanimaginewhatI’mtalkingabout,just13,000yearsago–or16,000–it’swithintherealmofthehumanraceandsopeoplearemorefearfultojoin.They’rewondering:Well,ifIwriteinsupportofhistheory,what’retheconsequencesforme?
ButIhavehadmypapercited,thatIpublished.Ipublishedinrefereedjournals,inseveralwell-known,inMonthlyNotices,inAstrophysicsandSpaceScience,tonameafew;EOS,whichismoreofa
scientificnewsletter.
KC:Aren'tyoudealingwith,also–Imean,thisgalacticsuperwave,you’realsodealingwiththiskineticphysics?
PLV:SubquantumKinetics?
KC:SubquantumKinetics,asbeingpartofthisgalacticsuperwavetheoryinsomeway,form,orfashion.Ifyou’retalkingaboutsubquantumphysics,you’realsotalkingaboutwhatistheaethermade
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of,suchthatthegalacticsuperwavewillimpactorcreate...howitimpactsspaceandhowitimpacts...
PLV:Well,aether’sacontroversialtopicwhich,indeed,SubquantumKineticsisanaethertheory.Butyoudon’thavetobringthatinforthissuperwavephenomenon.Thesuperwavephenomenoncanbebasedtotallyinthecurrentviewofphysics,prettymuch.
KC:Iunderstandthat,butI’minterestedbecauseyouobviouslyarethinkingaboutboththings,thattheremustbesomekindofplacewheretheylinkupinyourownmind,intheory.
PLV:Well,itwasreallymyworkinSubquantumKineticsthatbroughtmetothediscoveryofthesuperwavephenomenon.That’sthroughalongpath.[laughs]
KC:Canyouexplainthatinsortofeasytermstounderstand,atall?
PLV:Well,IhadbeendevelopingSubquantumKineticsformanyyears.I’dbasicallywrittenuptheearlypaperswhichIwasatthepointofreadytosubmit.Ihadalreadysubmittedtoafewjournals.
Atthesametime,inthemeanwhile,Iwasstudyingancientlore.Backin1975IhaddiscoveredthattheTarotencodesconceptsverysimilar
towhatIwastalkingaboutinthephysics.IdidtakeaclassinCambridge,Massachusetts,ontheTarotandastheteacherwasgoing,eachArcanum...
Now,theTarotisasetof22cardsthatareusedinfortune-telling,buttheydatebacktotheMiddleAgesfromtheGypsies.TheearliestdecksareattributedtotheGypsies,whichhadmigratedfromIndiathroughEgypt.EsotericscholarsbelievethattheyhadpickeduptheconceptsfromtheEgyptianpriests,priortothecollapseofthepriesthood.
IntheveryearlydaysofthekingdomsofEgypt[when]thepriestswereinpower,theyhadanindoctrinationintothisancientscience
thatexplainedhowtheuniversewascreated.Thattheseconcepts–atthattimetheywerefrescoesonthewallofthechamberthatthenewpriestswerebroughtinandtaughtthemeanings–thatthesewerelaterputintotheTarotdeck.
KC:CanyoutraceoneofthoseparticularscientificconceptsasdepictedintheTarotandhowthatrelatestokinetic...
PLV:SubquantumKinetics?Well,SubquantumKineticsisbasedonprocess.It’stheideaof...It’salchemicalaether,basically.It’sanaetherthat’snotstaticlikethe19thcenturyaetherthatphysicsgrewoutof,butonemorelike,closertoHeraclitus’concept.HewasanancientGreekphilosopherwhosaidthatallisprocess.
Theclosestistothinkofthe...
KC:Isn'tthatlikesaying:allismotion?Aren’tyoutalkingabouteverythingbeinginmotion?
PLV:That’sclosetotheideabuthereit’smoreareaction.Thereismotion,justlikeyouhaveinachemicalsolution.Youhavemoleculesdiffusingfromoneplacetoanotherplace,butthey’realsoreacting.
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Basicallyit’sthesameunderstandingyouhaveforhowyourownbodyworks.Howisitthatthestructureofourbodyismadefromthereactionsanddiffusionsofchemicals?
Sothisisaveryorganicconcept.It’smorelikeclosetotheorganicideasofStarWars,ofTheForce,veryclose,thatthegalaxy’sboundtogether.Theuniversebeingboundtogetherbyafabric,anorganicfabric.It’ssortoflikeeverypartofspacethat’setherisaffectingeveryotherpartofspace.
KC:Okay.AndifIcalledit“energy,”wouldthatbethesamething?
PLV:Idon’tuse“energy”becauseIsavethatforElectroMagneticwaves.It’senergy-likebutyoucan’tspeakofenergyatthesubquantumlevel.
KC:Oh,Isee.
PLV:It’ssome...There’saprimemover,somethingthatmovesthisreactionforward.It’suni-directional.It’ssortoflikethedirectionofTimeinthebigsense,capitalT,movingforward.
KC:Wehaveasecretwitnessthatalsotalksabouthe'stappingintowhathecallstheinformationfield.Andwhenwesaid:Isthatthe
sameastheconsciousnessfield?Hewouldsay:No,becausehethinkstheconsciousnessfieldis,youknow,isindividual-basedwhereasthisthinghe’scallingtheinformationfieldwouldencompasseverything.
Isthereanykindofwayyoucouldhaveadialogueaboutthat,becausethisgetstosignalnon-locality,forexample,ifyou’refamiliarwiththat.
PLV:Myviewisthattoexplainwhat’sherewehavetopostulatehigherdimensionsandafluxofaetherthatwecannotdirectlymeasure
butonlyhypothesize.Thewayyouknowit’sthere,thereareexperimentsthatyoucandothatshowsthatthereisanabsolutereferenceframe,thatRelativityiswrong.Igivemanyexperimentsinmybook.
Infact,thegeopositioningsystemthatthemilitaryusesisbasedontheideathatlightgoesfasterinthedirectionoftheEarth’srotationthantheoppositedirection.Iftheydidn’tacceptthat,whichisanti-relativistic,theywouldnotlocatepeoplethatareforcesontheEarth;theywouldmaybebombthewrongembassy.[laughs]
KC:Okay.Soifyoucouldexplainintermsof,Idon’tknowifyoucandothis,butintermsofyoursubatomicmodel,howcanyouexplainthattousonthebasisofanexperiment?
PLV:Well,there’swhat’scalledchemicalwaves.AtthetimeIwasgettingtheideaforSubquantumKineticsthey’djustpublishedworkontheBelousov-Zhabotinskiireaction,whichisachemicalreactionwhereyouputsomedyesintherethatchangefromredtoblue,dependingonthestateofthereaction.Andthere’samolecule,cerium,whichcan
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gobetweentwovalencestates.
Asthereactionchurnsforward,cerium,inonegivenplaceandspace,oscillates.Theycallitchemicalclocks.
Soifyoustirthisupwithalittlestirrer,yourreactionwillchangefromredtobluejustlikeaclockandtheycallitthechemicalclock.Butifyouleaveitunstirredandcalm,itwillformlittlewavepatternssortoflikeabull’s-eyepatternwith,let’ssay,abluecenterandaredring,andthenabluering,andsoon,aneffectlike...
KC:Meaningaspiral?
PLV:No.Actualconcentricrings,likeAtlantis?[laughs]Inmybook,GenesisoftheCosmos,IsuggestthattheAtlantismythisactuallythey’redescribingasubatomicparticle,basedonthisnewphysics.
Now,understandthatmytheorycameoutofsystemstheory.ItwasonlylaterIsawtheconnectionwiththeancientsciencethatwasbeingdiscussedsymbolically.
Butgettingbacktothereaction,thiswouldberedandbluewaves.Theybecomespiralwaves.Infact,theywereonthecoverofthismagazine,spiralwaves,becausethey’remoreartisticallyappealingsothat’swhytheyconcentratedaboutspiralwaves.Butthathappensonlywhenyougivealittlemechanicaldisturbancesothattheringsreconnecttoformaspiral.
KC:Isee.Uh-huh.So,howdoesthis...?
PLV:Well,howdoesthisrelate?Ithought:Well,thisisaninterestingmodelforsubatomicparticles.IwasreadingEinstein’streatiseinScientificAmerican.Hewastalkingabouthisdifficultyinunifyingelectromagnetismandgravitation.
Inthereittalkedabouthisviewthattherewerenosuchthingsassingularities,whichwouldmeanEinsteinhimselfwouldbeagainsttheBlackHoleTheory.Hisreasonwasitwoulddisruptthespace-timefabric,whichhebelievedshouldbecontinuous.
Hebelievedparticleswereplacesofbunchedenergy,sotospeak,andIwassaying:Well,here,thisislookinglikeabunchingherewhereyouhaveacorewiththiswavepatternaroundsothecoreisreallyahighconcentrationofacertainelement.
AndIwassaying:Insteadofworkingwithmoleculeslikeyoudoinchemistry,let’scomeupwithanewname:Aetherance[spelling
unclear;pronouncesitether-ahns]Iinitiallycalleditsub-physicalunits,butlaterIsaid:Whattheheck.Goalltheway.[laughs]Let’sforgetaboutthetaboos.Theaetherisanancientconceptandpeopleweren’tafraidofusingit.
Ifyoulookattherealexperimentalevidenceandstopregardingscienceasareligion...Youknow,itisveryreligious,insomeways,inthesensethatexistingphysicistsreligiouslybelieveintheirtheoriestothepointofignoringtheevidenceagainstthem.
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Soyoucanimaginethissoupof‘etherance’ofdifferenttypes:A,B,C,D,andsoon,reactingaccordingtocertainrecipes.WhatIdidwascomeupwithasetofreactionswhichIbelievedwerephysicallyrealistic.
Inotherwords,theycreatedphysically-realisticparticlesthatproducedelectricandgravitationalfieldsjustlikeregularmatterthatwouldobeytheclassicallawsofelectrostaticsandgravitationthatwouldbind–havenuclearbonding–andalsohavespincharacteristics.Thatmadecertainpredictions,astronomicalpredictions,onebeingthatlightwaves,thattheirenergyshouldnotbeconstantbut,overgreatdistancesofgoingthroughintergalacticspace,theyshouldloseenergy–inotherwords,redshift.KC:Dothey?
PLV:Theydo.That’swhat’scalledthecosmologicalredshift,wherescientistshaveinterpretedacosmologicalredshiftasanactualvelocityeffectduetoarecessionofagalaxy.Inotherwords,ifthegalaxymovesaway,itwouldcausethiseffect,whichisaverymechanical,mechanisticinterpretation.
TheTiredLightTheory,asit’scalled–theideathatlightwavesloseenergyastheytravel–wasproposedaboutthesametimeasthisothertheory.Butthethingwas,theydidn’thaveareasonforittooccur,anotherwaytointerpretit,andthemoremechanisticwasmoreeasilygrasped,andsotheywentwiththat.That’swhywehavetheexpandinguniversetheorytoday.
IwroteapaperfortheAstrophysicalJournalin1986,whichisthetopjournalinastrophysics–it’sthesameonethatHubblepublishedin,theastronomertheyattributetheexpandinguniverseto–andshowedthat,ifyoulookatthedataandcomparetheexpandinguniversemodeltothestationaryuniversemodel,withTiredLightEffectinsteadofmotionaleffect,youfindthattheTiredLightmodel
alwayscomesclosertoyourdata.
Ididitonfourtests,andthereasonIdiditonfourtestsisthatwhenyouadjustyourmodel–becauseBigBangtheoristsareadjustingtheirmodeltofitthedatabecauseitneverfitsthedata.Soiftheywanttoadjusttheirmodel,it’sfinewithme,buttheyhavetobeconsistentinwhatareitseffectsontheseothertests.
Andyoufindthattheirmodelendsupgettingpushedfurtherfromthedataassoonastheytrytoadjustithere.That’swhythey’llalwayspublishononetestandnotonfoursimultaneously.
KC:Okay,you’retalkingaboutTiredLight.Howdoesthisrelatetoyourtheoryofkinetics–subquantumphysics?
PLV:Well,that’soneofthepredictionsthatcameoutofSubquantumKinetics.ThatwasatestablepredictionandIwentaheadandtesteditbylookingatthedatatoseediditsupportitorwastheBigBangTheorycorrect?Because,atthattime,Iwasjustlikeeveryoneelse,believingintheBigBangTheory,butIwantedtogivethisachance,
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andyouknow,slowlyIrealized:MyGod!SubquantumKineticsisrightandallthisotherstuffisbaloneythatthey’vebeenteaching.
KC:Sowhathappens?TiredLightmeansyou’retalkingaboutenergydissipating,right?Orchangingform?PLV:Actually,inSubquantumKinetics,theenergyactuallyleavesthephysicaluniverseinthesensethatthewavejustdiminishesinamplitude.EnergyisnotaconstantinSubquantumKinetics.Why?BecauseSubquantumKineticsproposesthatthephysicaluniversebehaveslikeanopensystem.
Whatisanopensystem?It’slike...we’reanopensystem,biologicalorganism.Wemusteat,haveinputandoutput;wemustbreathe,wetakeinoxygenandgiveoutcarbondioxide.Ifthoseprocessescease,wedie.
Thesamewiththechemicalreactionmodel,thechemicalwaves.Youonlyseethewavesaslongasthechemicalreactionsaretakingplace.Assoonastheyuseupthefoodchemicalsandtheygotoequilibrium,thewavesdisappear,dematerialize,sotospeak.
Sothesameforthisphysics–thephysicaluniversewoulddematerializeifthisflux,whichweshouldallbethankfulforinmy
opinion,weretoeverdiminishorcease.
KC:Wellthen,betweendimensions...Imean,Idon’tknowifthisisrelated,but,intheory,betweendimensions,then,that’sexactlywhatmusthappen.Inordertodematerializeandmovebetweendimensionsthatenergyhastodissipate,orcomedowntozero,sothatyoucanmovetothenext[dimension],becauseifitdematerializesitgoesintoanotherdimension.
PLV:Okay,you’retalkingaboutaphysicalbeing,likeahumanbeing,wantingto...
KC:Maybe.
PLV:You'retalkingaboutthesoul?
KC:Well,actually,whatI’mthinkingaboutistheabilityforevenghostsorETstogothroughwalls.Andnowwe’reactuallyseeingmoviesinwhich,youknow,thePowersThatBehavecreated–andIdon’tknowhowtheydoit–buttheycreatetechniquesbywhichyoucanchangethecompositionofawallsuchthatyoucangothroughit.
PLV:Yes.Thisissomethingthat’spossible...
KC:Thismodelworksonthesubatomiclevelthatyou’retalkingabout.
PLV:Subquantum.
KC:Okay,wellthenithastoworkallthewayup.Right?Tothefactthatyougettothelargerparticles,bodies...
PLV:Yeah.WithSubquantumKinetics,youcanexplaindematerializationandre-materialization.Thisissomethingthat’seasilydone.
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KC:Okay.
PLV:Itinvolvesachangeofthegravitypotential.Ifyouweretoincreasethegravitypotentialenough,anobjectwoulddematerialize.Oratfirstitwouldbecomeinvisiblewhichmeansifyoulookata...
KC:Changethegravitysuchthatitbecomeheavierorlighter?
PLV:Itwouldbelighter.
KC:Okay.
PLV:Likethesunisinagravitywell.Thesunisinaverymaterializedstate.[laughs]Ifweweretogooutintospacewayfarfromthegalaxy,becausethegalaxyitselfisinagravitywell,wewouldgointotheareawhereIwassayingphotonsloseenergy,thisTiredLightEffect.Everythingtherewouldtendtowardsahomogeneousstate[and]wouldtendtodematerialize.
Iftheoppositeeffectiswithinthegalaxy,insteadofhavinglightlosingenergy,itgainsenergyhere.It’stheopposite,andyouhaveblueshiftingoflight.Infact,Imadeaprediction.IcalledupJPLin1980.Isaid:Haveyouseenanythingwithyoursignalstoyourspacecraft,microwavesignals,maybeaslightblueshiftingofthe
signal?
[They]said:Well,no.Wehaven’treallylookedforsuchathing.
[I]said:Well,keepaneyeopen,seewhatyousee,becauseifso,itwouldsupportmytheory.
Sorightaboutsevenyearslaterorso,eightyearslater,theystartnoticing...Oh,bytheway,Ipublishedthisin1985asatestofmytheorythatifyoudidatest,sendingamicrowavesignalfromEarthtoJupiter,toaspacecraftinJupiter,andrelayeditback,you’dfindtheenergywasslightlyhigher.AndIsaid:Howmuch?Becausemytheorywouldpredictwhatthatamountofincreasewouldbe.
Well,aboutsevenoreightyearslater,theystartnoticingsomethingisalittlepeculiarinourdata,it’sbecomingblueshifted;it’sasifthere’saforcepushingthespacecrafttowardsthesun.
Theyfinallypublishedthisin1998anditbecameknownasThePioneerEffect.Thentheypublishedfurtherinformationfouryearslater.
Now,therehavebeenthousands,literallythousandsofpaperswrittenbyphysicistsaboutthePioneerEffect,tryingtoexplainit,whatitis.There’sonlyonepaperpublishedbeforeitwasdiscoveredthatpredictedit,andthatwasinmypublicationofSubquantumKinetics.
Itwaspublishedin1985intheInternationalJournalofGeneralSystems.
KC:SodidJPLcomefindyouwhenyouwereprovencorrect?
PLV:IsentacopyofmybookmarkedwhereImadetheprediction.Iactuallytookapictureoftheoriginaljournalandmarkedwhereitwasstated,andalsosentacopyofmybookwhichfurtherexplained,totheheadmanonthatpublicationteamatJPL.
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Basicallyitwasignored.Hedidn’tevensendmeapreprintofhispaperthatIrequested.SoallIhadwasthenewsannouncement.Henevertoldme,youknow:Well,it’sgoingtobepublishedinthisjournalonthispage.Henevertoldmethat.AndIwasnevermentionedfouryearslaterinafollow-uppaper.
So,youknow,myexperienceisthattheaveragephysicistorNASAscientistorastronomerisacowboy.He’sinterestedinhisowntheories,notinyours.Ifheconfirmedyours...he’snotinterested.[laughs]That’sthewayitworks.
BR:Yeah.It'sworkedlikethatforalongtime.
KC:Okay,buttheimplicationsofwhatyoudiscoveredcouldpointtotherealityofotherdimensions.Asyousay,dematerialization.Actually,youmaybeontheroadtoexplaininghowotherdimensionscouldexist.
PLV:Right.SubquantumKineticsisaUnifiedFieldTheory.Itexplainsalltheforcesthatunifiedfieldtheoriesdealwith,anditfitstogetherlikeaSwisswatch.Relativityeffectscomeoutofitascorollaries;youdon’thavetopostulateadhoclikeEinsteinwas
saying.
Therearenowtwelvepredictionsthatwerepreviouslypublishedthatsaidthingsentirelydifferentfromwhatphysicistsweresaying,thatwerelaterverifiedbyobservation.So,certainthingsithaspredicatedwereconfirmed,andIdon’tknowofanythingthat’ssaidsofarthat’sbeendisproved.
Itgivesyoualotofencouragementtobelievethatwe’vegotsomethinghere.Plusthefact,lookingatGeneralRelativity,ithadonlythreepredictionsthatwereconfirmed.Nowwe’redealingherewithtwelve.
Plus,youfindthatancientcivilizationshadthisphysics.Theywenttoalotoftroubletoencodeitinsomeoftheirmostimportantcreationmythsthathistorianshavewrittenabout.It’sevenencodedintheZodiaceventhoughtheZodiacisusedforhoroscopes.
Oneofthemaintechnologiesusedinfieldpropulsion,thisexoticpropulsionthat’sdevelopedinblackprojects.Infact,theB2bomber,IdiscussedinmyrecentbookSecretsofAntigravityPropulsion.IexplainhowtheB2bomberusesBrown’sresearchandpatents.Basicallyit’sbasedonhisideas.
SowithSubquantumKinetics,it’snotjustexplainingBrown’sworkbutawholehostofothertechnologies,too,likeJohnSurrell’s[sp
unknown]technology[or]EugenePodkletnov’sgravityimpulsebeamwhich,he'sabletoproducegravityimpulsesfromelectricshockdischargeswhicharegravityimpulsescollimated,cangoforkilometersandkilometersstayingtogether.
Andhe’sfounditactuallytravelssuperluminally.Sothiscouldbethecenterpieceofasuperluminalpropulsionengine.
FromwhatI’veseen,I’veseenactualdemonstrationsofsuperluminalshockpropagationinthelaboratory–GuyObolensky’swork.Andwith
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thistechnologyofPodkletnov’s,Iwouldsayit’spossibletodosuperluminalspacetravel,whichcompletelychangesouroutlookofinterstellarcommunicationandinteractionwithotherbeings.Itispossiblethattheycouldactuallytravelhere.
AnotherthingthatcomesoutofSubquantumKineticsisitcompletelychangeswhatwethinkispossibleforenergy,andyoufindthesetechnologieswherethey’regettingenergyoutofwaterlikeJohnEckel’spatentthatthey’redevelopingintheUK.Theysaythey’llhaveahotwaterheateroutinthenextyear-and-a-halforso.
OrRandellMills’inventionproducedbyBlackLightPowercompany.He’sgotsomethinglike20oftheseprototypesbeingtestedthathebelieveswillproduce50kilowattsofpowerforyouraveragehouse.
TheseareexplainedbySubquantumKineticsbecauseSubquantumKineticsleadstoarevisionofquantummechanics.There’saflawinquantummechanics.Eventhoughquantummechanicsisworkable,themodelisincorrect;thewave-packetmodelisincorrectlyformulated.
WhenyougototheSubquantumKineticsversion,yougetthesameresults.Itexplainsexperimentswiththesamemathematics,essentially,butitallowsthepossibilityforground-statesinthe
hydrogenatomthataremorelevelsofenergyinthehydrogenatom.Itallowsthehydrogenelectrontojumpdownandreleaseenergythatwethoughtwouldn’tbethere.That’swhatthesevariousscientistshavetappedintowiththeirinventions.
SoSubquantumKineticsleadstothedevelopmentofalotofnewenergysourcesthatwouldbeconsideredalternativeenergy.
BR:It’shardtounderstandwhyotherquantumphysicistshaven’tpickedupyourworkwithalotofenthusiasm.What’syourexplanationforthis?Isitbecauseit’stoobigascope,orit’stoogrand[unclear]?
PLV:It’sthat.It’stoobigashift.Newtheoriesarepickedupifyou’renotchangingthebasicstructure,thebasicparadigm.Ifit’sanewideawithintheexistingparadigm,itwillbeveryquicklypickedupifit’sgoingtoexplainthingsbetter.
I’mtalkingaboutbasicallywipingtheslatecleanasfarastheoriesgo,mosttheories,mostmoderntheories.Youcankeepsomeoftheclassicequations,Newton’sequationsandsoon.But...
BR:Maxwell’sequations?
PLV:Well,Maxwell’s...no.Itevenrevisesthat.Youhavetolookat
Maxwell’sequationsasamodelofaphenomenon;itexplainselectromagneticwavepropagationinadifferentway.
Foronething,Maxwell’sequations,atleasttheacceptedversion,haveenergybeingconserved.Itmeansthatenergyofaphotoncanneitherincrease,nordecrease,whereashere,asweweresayingearlier,overgreatdistancesyouwillseeachange.
Thereareasetofprincipleswhichareconsideredsacredinphysics.OneistheFirstLawofThermodynamics,thisideathatenergycannot
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bechanged,onlyconverted.
KC:Andyou’rechangingthatlaw,really,areyounot?
PLV:Right.AndIcanshowtechnologieswhichyoucanperforminyourbackyardgaragewhichshowaviolationofenergyconservation.
SomeoftheseelectrostaticthrusterslikeJean-LouisNaudinhasonhiswebsite–someLaForguethrusters–they’rebasicallyasymmetricalcapacitorsthathe’sgotinapinwheelarrangement.Whenyoucalculatehowmuchenergyhe’sputtingintodrivethatpinwheel,it’salotlessthanthemotionhe’sgettingoutofit.He’sgettingoutaboutthreetimesmoremotionalenergythantheelectric...
BR:Ithastobeanopensystem,togobacktowhatyouweresayingbefore.
PLV:Theuniverse.Yeah.Assoonasyouviewtheuniverseasanopensystem,youhavetorealizethatenergy’snotnecessarilyconserved.Prettymuchallsystemtheoristswillagreewithyou.Ifyourphysicsispostulatinganopensystemfortheuniverse,thenyoudohavethepossibilityofmatterorenergyincreasingordecreasinginamountinaphysicaluniverse.
Thethingisthatthisislikejustasmallshadowonthe...sortofanepiphenomenonofthisvastfluxthat’sgoingonbelowthelevelofobservation,sothat’swhereyourrealenergy...It’snotenergy,it’saction.Inotherwords,justforthistable,thisstool,orchairtobethererequiresanenormousexpenditureofaction,subquantumflux,whichistotallyinvisibletousandweonlyinferthatit’stherethroughaseriesofconceptualmodelsandunderstandings.
BR:Areyouabletotheoreticallypredictthephysicsbehindanoverunityengineasaresultofthis?Canyoupredicthowtodesignonebeforeyoustarttinkeringinyourgaragewiththis?
PLV:Itcouldleadtosomepredictionsofthatsort,butthewayit’s
generallyworkedwithmeisI’vereadaboutpeople’sworkinthisareaandfindthatIcanexplainwhatthey’refindingwithSubquantumKinetics.
BR:Okay,yeah.Sorry,perhapsIdidn’tformmyquestionintherightway.WhatIreallymeantwas,fromyourtheoreticalunderstanding,couldyoupredictwhichengineeringapproachesaremorelikelytobesuccessful?
PLV:Yeah.Ithinkso.Yeah.Ithinkthatwiththisphysics,youcanexplainalotofthetechnologiesthey’redevelopingintheBlackProjectsforfieldpropulsion.Iwouldn’tbesurprisedifalotofmyreadersareintheBlackProjects.Iwouldhavenowayofknowing,
but...
KC:[laughs]Yeah,that’swhatIwasthinking.
PLV:Theywereactuallyworkingonaethertheoriesinthe’50stoexplainelectrogravitics.TownsendBrownwasdevelopinganaethertheory.TheywereworkingononeatDouglasAircraftwhich,apparently,theyditchedanditeventuallywasdeclassifiedsomehow.Maybeitwasjustsomenotesthatsomebodyhadthatweresupposedtobeclassified,buttheywereleakedout.
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FromconversationsI’vehadwithsomeBlackProjectsengineerswhoacknowledgedthat,tothem,theaetherisreal,thattheyrealizethefaultsofRelativity.Whentheyrecruit,theypreferthatthepeoplethey’rerecruitinghaven’thadtheirmindspollutedwithcurrentphysics.Theytrytogetthematanearlyage.
BR:That’sexactlywhatwe’dheardisthatthey'vegotsomevery,verybright,astuteminds.
KC:Yeah.
PLv:Andit’sactuallytotheadvantageofkeepingthesecrecythattheywouldseeit’sgoodforthemtokeepteachingthebaloneyintheuniversitiesthattheyrealizeiswrongbecausewhatthey’redoingisimpossibleinthatframeofmind,andit’sverydifficultforpeopletogetoutofthat.It’ssortoflikeaskingthegoldfishtodischargeitstankofwater.It’snotgoingtowanttodothatveryeasily.
BR:Oh,sure.Butitmustbeimmenselypersonallyfrustratingforyoutoconsiderthepossibilitythatyourworkmaywell,notonlybecorrect,butbetakentolevelswhichyou’dlovetobeinon.Andyetyou’relockedoutofthisbecausemaybethey’reconsideringtheydon’tneedyou,theyunderstanditalready.That’sthekindofexpediency
thattheywould...
PLV:I’veactuallybeaskedtoparticipateinoneprojectthatwasbeingformed,gottenofftheground,butIsawthatitwasgoingtobesecreteventhoughtheywereintendingittoeventuallybeopen,butyouneverreallycanbesurewhatwillbetheresult.[laughs]
KC:Sowhydidyoustandbackfromthat?Whatwasyourmotivation?
BR:Iguessthere'stheriskofbeinglockedinonthewrongsideofthedoor.
PLV:Yeah,whenyoustartworkinginsecrecy,youfeelalittlestifled.
KC:Areyouthatrarething,a“ScientistwithaConscience?”Isthatwhy?
PLV:Iguessyou’dsayso.Yeah.
KC:Andisthataresultofyourparents’influence,wouldyousay,tosomedegree,orsomethingelse?
PLV:Ohyeah.Iwouldsaythat’spartofit.Youknow,it’sjustme,Iguess.Myinterestisinhelpinghumanity.I’minterestedinthetruth
andnotlivinginsomedream,somebeliefsystemthatotherpeoplearetellingyouanditdoesn’tfitthedata.
KC:Alsotheelite,inotherwords,theelitismaroundusingtechnologyorusingthetruthonlyforacertaingroupofpeople,perhaps,isgoingagainstthegrain?
PLV:Yeah.Thethingis,whoiscontrollingtheBlackProjects?Assoonasthey’reblack,Imean,they’renotevenacknowledgedby
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Congressorwhatevergovernmenthasthem.Somebody’spullingthestringsandtherearesomepeoplethatsuggesttheyaren’tevenfromEarth,ifyoubelieve...
KC:Now,canwegetbackto...Imean,youdidsaythatyouhadsomekindofcontactexperiencethataffectedyou.Areyouabletodescribethatinsomedetailtous?
PLV:Well,itwasbasicallyaninnerexperienceIhadwhenIwasatJohnsHopkinsinmyjunioryear.Ifeltthatitwasinformationcomingintome.
Iwasinacertainmentalstate;Ifelttherewereintelligencesfromtheplantkingdom.Ifelttheywereterrestrial,thatthetreesweretalkingtome–thevegetationkingdomofEarth–thatwasconcernedaboutthewayweweregoing.Theywereconcernedalsoaboutbeingwipedoutbytheprogressofhumansocieties,likewe’reoutofcontrolherewithgrowth.SortoflikethemovieKoyaanisqatsi,thatwholeconcept.
Atthesametimetheyweregivingmethebasicunderstandingthatthebasisofexistenceisflux.Becauseifyouhaveflux,youcanalways
producestructure.
Inotherwords,ifthefluxgoesinaloop,nowyouhavesomethingthatexistsovertimebecauseit’sthesameandthesame.Whereasifyoustartwithstructure,structureitselfdoesn’timplyfluxbecauseyou’redealingwithsomethingthat’sstatic.Whyshoulditmove?It’sstatic.
Sothat’sthebeautyofflux.Andthatshiftedmywholeperspective,andIstartedonthisquestofunderstandingnature,developingmyownsystemtheorybeforeIknewtherewassuchathingasSystemTheory.
Thateventuallyleadintodevelopmentofphysics,thisSubquantumKineticswhichIdevelopedwhileIwasstudyingbusiness,actually,atUniversityofChicago.TherewasacourseonOrganizationTheoryandwewereaskedtowriteatermpaper.ThecoursewasstudyingGeneralSystemTheoryandviewingbusinessesasopensystems.
ItwasinthisexperiencewhereIstartedmeldingtheideaofopensystemswithEinstein’sarticlethatIhadread,andchemicalwaves,andsoon,andsuddenlyhadthisepiphany.Thepaperdidn’tendupbeingonbusiness.[laughs]Theprofessor,whohadabehavioralpsychologicalbackground,endedupgivingittoafriendofhis,whohadaphysicsbackground,toevaluate.
KC:Andtherest,astheysay,ishistory.[laughs]Becausethatsoundslikeitpropelledyouintothedirectionyou’vegoneon.
PLV:Yeah.IrememberIhadasortofwhatyou’dcallakundaliniexperienceduringthatwhereIwasawakeallnightwriting,andthenI’dsleepduringthedayandgetuplateafternoonandbewalkingaroundinthemall,theuniversity,thegrassareabetweenthebuildings,andwouldlookatatreeandIcouldseethisenergyfluxinthetree,orthestonelookedlikeitwasalive.
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SortofliketheviewoftheshamanIndiansbecauseitcompletelyshiftsyourperspectivewhenyougotothis.It’smoreclosetotheHinduideaofmaya.Thatmayaisillusion;thephysicalisanillusionthat’sjust...we’rewavesonthis...Therealessenceistheetherwhichisnon-material.
BR:IsthatconnectedwithDavidBohm’sImplicateOrder?
PLV:It’sclose.TheconceptsofSubquantumKineticsaresimilarinsomerespectstoDavidBohm’stheory,butDavidBohm’sworkinginGeneralRelativity,arelativisticframework.Hehasn’tcompletelywipedtheslatecleanhere.
Iacceptsomeofhisconcepts,likehisideaofstochasticfluctuationsasarepresentationofzero-pointenergythatthisisnotjusttheideaofprobabilisminquantummechanics,isnotjustsomeequationyou’rewriting,butithasarealbasisinsomething,somemedium,havingstochasticbehaviorthere.InthiscaseIwouldsayit’stheaether.
ButIusedifferentterms.Ispeakoftheimplicitorderandthe
explicitorder.Theimplicitorderistheethericorder.It’sorderedinthesenseofthereactionpathwaysthatareverydefined.
Theexplicitorderisthewaveorderthatwesee,thatwe’reabletosee.Weneedwavestoseeotherwaves,youknow;everythingiswaves.Sothat’sthequantumrealm.
Thesubquantumistheimplicitorderandthequantumistheexplicitorderandtheexplicitorderevolvesoutoftheimplicitorder.Thereasonwhywehaveaparticle–it’sawavepattern,subatomicparticles–thereasonthatexistsisbecauseyouhavethiscyclicalyin/yangsortofreactiongoingonatthesubquantumlevel,soit’sjustamanifestationofwhat’salreadythere.Itjustemerges.
BR:Yes.
PLV:Itleadstoacontinuouscreationcosmology.
BR:Sure.
PLV:Sothatmatterisbeingcontinuouslycreated,eventhismoment.It’snotsomethingthathappenedallatonceliketheBigBangTheorysays.It’sgoingon,especiallyatthehighestrateatthecenterofthegalaxy,butalsowithinstarsandplanets.
KC:Well,whatabouttheideathatit’sgoingonoutsideofthegalaxy
inother...Likethere’sthetheoryofAnandaBosmantalkingaboutwhathecallstheGreatMagneticAttractor,thatthereisother...Andyou’resayingthatwithinthegalaxythere’sablackhole,orwhatever,it’snotablackhole,butyou’resayingit's...?
PLV:MotherStar,Icallit.
KC:Okay.
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PLV:Averyoldstar.It’stheoldeststarinthegalaxy.
KC:Sobeyondthis...Becausethere’slotsofgalaxies,right?Sodoyougobeyondthat?
PLV:Yeah.Everygalaxyiscreatingmatterandenergyandifthatcontinues,thesegalaxieswillgrowandgrow.They’llspawnothergalaxiesbecausethey’llejectstarclusters.Youknow,everytimethecoreexplodes,itejectsstarclusters.That’swhatpopulatesthehaloofthegalaxy.Someofthese,ifthey’reverylargeejections,willactuallybesmallgalacticnucleithatwillendupspawninganothergalaxy.
ThinkoftheLargeandSmallMagellanicCloudsthatareveryclose.Theycouldhavebeenejectionsfromourowngalacticcore,ormaybetheyjusthappenedtonucleatecloseby,butyoudoseesomethatlookliketheycameoutoffromthecoreofamothergalaxy.HaltonArp,anastronomer,talksaboutthis,thatsomeoftheselookasiftheywereejectionsfromactivecores.
Buteventuallyyoucouldsay–anextreme–maybethewholeuniversebecomesfilledwithmatterandenergy.It’sverypossible,beforeit
wouldevengettothatpoint,thattheset-pointthat’scausingallthiscreationwouldchange,youknow,somethingthatmighthaveaperiodofseveralhundred-trillionyears,likeintheHinduview.
HindumythologytalksaboutVishnuwakingupeverysomanyhundred-trillionyearsandeverythingdematerializes.AllofthemayaiswithdrawnandeveryonerealizesallalongwewereVishnu,wewerethisEssence.
KC:Butisitpossibletherecouldbe,then,anothereruption?
PLV:Yeah.Thisideathatnotonlywehavecyclesintermsofcoreexplosions,butalsothewholeuniversegoesthroughacycleof
creationanddissolution.
BR:Soyou’renofanofthestandardBigBangTheory?
PLV:Well,it’sinterestingthattheyhaditrightinoneway–therearebigbangs,butthey’reatthecentersofgalaxies.Therewasn’tasingleBigBangcreatingeverything.
And,interestingly,thesebigbangsareassociatedwithcreationbecausethecreationrateisthehighestintheMotherStar,asIcallit,inthecoreofthegalaxyandthat'sreallygoingoutofcontrol.It’slikeanuclearreactorgoingsuper-criticalwhereitendsup
goingintoaveryactivestate,expelling.
Allthismatterandenergythathadbeencreatedforthousandsofyearsisnowexpelled,andasthisismovedawayoutfromthecore,thenthegravitypotentialfieldthatwasgraduallygettingdeeperanddeeperaroundthecorenowcomesupabitanditcoolsoff,thereactioncoolsoff.Because,likeIwassaying,inSubquantumKineticsthiswholecreationprocessistiedtothelevelofgravitypotential,
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sothat’swhythere’sacycleinvolved.
Creation’salwaysgoingon,butthenitgetsreallyextremeandgoesthroughthisoutburst,andthenthingssubside.It’salmostlikewithavolcanothatreleasesthepressurethat’sbuiltupunderneathandthenitgoesintoaquiescentperiod.
BR:GoingbacktoMaxwellandelectrogravitics,haveyouspokenwithTomBearden?
PLV:Wemet.Weweretalkingmoreabouthisfreeenergydevice,whichIdon’tknowifhe’sactuallygotitworkingatthispoint.Actually,there’ssomeconceptsthataresimilar.BeardenhassomesimilarthinkingonsomeareastoSubquantumKinetics,butwehaven’treallydiscussedit.
BR:Okay.
KC:Okay.Butratherthandrilldownthere,becauseweneedtowrapthisup,isthereawaywecouldkindofpullinsomeofthesethreadsintosomethingthatwouldkindofmakesenseintermsofwhereyoumightbegoingnowwithyourwork,andwhy?
PLV:Well,likerightnowI’mwritingapaperonthemassextinctionattheendoftheIceAgewhichIbelievewasduetoasolarcause,acoronalmassejectionstrikingtheEarth.I’mhopingthatbyadvancinginvariousareas...it’ssortoflikeafrontthatyou’repushinginvariousplaces.Like,before,IwaswritingmoreontheSubquantumKinetics,nowit’smoreclosetoclimatologyandcatastrophism.
Inthehopesthatsomeadvancewillgetpeopleveryexcited,I’mhopingthiswillgetthemexcitedandattractmoreattentiontowhatI’vebeensaying.
KC:Well,whatabouttheideaof...areyouthinkingthatyoumightbe
gettingclosetosomekindofmodelofconsciousnessitself?
PLV:Ihavedoneworkonthat,too,astheFeeling-ToneTheorymodelthatIdevelopedinthe’80sbasedonBillGray’swork,who’sasystemspsychologist/psychiatrist,andmeldedhisideathatthoughtisreallybasedonfeeling-tones,spirit–really,feelings,whenyougetdowntoit–andwasabletoexplainhowthosefeeling-tonesemergeintoathought,usingconceptswhicharesimilartowhatIusetodevelopSubquantumKinetics.
Asystemtheoristcangoataveryabstractlevelandbringstufffrom
onefieldintoanotherwhichiswhatIdidthere.Thattheoryalsomatchedverycloselywithalotofneuro-physiologicaldata,awidespectrum.Itwassortoflikehittingthetargeteleventimes.[laughs]
WedidsomeconsultingtoHughesAircraftwhichusedthatastheirwayofenhancingcreativityandIwaslatertoldthattheysaved$40-milliondollarsusingthisapproach,ifyouputsomepriceontheincreaseofcreativitythatresulted.
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KC:Yeah.
PLV:Ithinkit’ssafetotalkaboutthatsinceHughesAircraftisn’taroundanymore.
KC:Intheory.
PLV:It’sallbeenbrokenup.
BR:Itwouldnicetoberewardedwithafewpercentofthataddedvalue.[laughter]
PL:Yeah.Imean,Starburstcoulddoalotmoreincontactingthescientificcommunityandattendingconferencesifwehadourcoffersfull.[laughs]
BR:Yeah.Iread,forinstance,thatthere’ssomejustroutinescientificworkthatisexpensivebutacceptedlike,forinstance,massspectrographicanalysisoficecoresamples.Thatwouldreallydoalottobolsteryourtheorybutitjusthasn’tbeendonebecauseit’ssoexpensiveandyou’reworkingonyourown.
PLV:Yeah.Infact,thistheoryofthemammothsandmammalsbeingwipedoutbyacoronalmassejection--itwasn’tjustone.Therewasaseriesoveraseveralthousandyearperiod,buttherewasonerealmajoronethatsortofendedit.
Youcantestthat.I’velocatedtheplaceintheicecore.Allweneedtodothenissampleforberyllium-10andseetheberyllium-10spikeupatthattime;lookalsoatcarbon-14insedimentcores.Thesearethingsthatcanbedonetotestthetheory,soI’mhopingonceIgetthispublished,Icanconvincesomeothers,somecolleagues,thatweteamupanddothis.
BR:Right.Becausethat’ssimplestuff.Imean,scientifically
speaking,that’ssimplestuff.
KC:Okay.Well,let’ssaythatmaybethisinterviewwillkindofgotowardsthatdirectionofattractingpeopletoyouthatcouldmakethesethingspossibleformoreinvestigationinalloftheseareasthatyou’reworkingin.ButIwanttothankyouverymuchfortakingthetimetoexplainthistousinawaythatwecouldunderstandit,whichIthinkyoudidwell,andhopefully,wecanlearnmoreaboutyourtheoriesandalsotheapplicationsofthoseandseewhatpansoutinthefuture.
BR:Andwedoknowthataresomesmartpeopleinhighplaceswhodo
watchourvideosbecausethey’reneverquitesurewhatwe’regoingtocomeoutwith[laughter]andtheywatchusquitecarefully.
KC:That’sright.
BR:Andthesearenotnecessarilybadguys.Thesearesmartguysandthey'regoodguysandit’sentirelypossible...
KC:Someofthem.
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BR:Someofthemare.Andit’sentirelypossiblethatifyourworkhasn’tcomefullytotheirattention,itmayjustgivethemalittleprodtotakeanothergoodlookatwhatyouhavetoofferhere.
PLV:Youknow,whatyoumentionedaboutyouheardfromthisfellowwhowasintouchwithablackproject,orhewasablackprojectsengineerandtalkingaboutspacetravelwithsuperluminalspaceships?
KC:Right.
PLV:Iwouldn’tbesurprisedifpartofthatismisinformation.Idon’tthinkitwasoursuperluminalspaceshiphe’stalkingabout.ItwasfromanETcivilization;they’vebeenintouchwithETswhotoldthemthis.
BR:Entirelypossible,andthatmayhavebeenentirelyaccidentalbecausehemaywellhavebeenrelatingthatstorysecond-orthird-hand,buttheprincipleisthathesaid:Thereisawavecoming.
Hecouldn’tdescribeitexactly.Hewasn’taphysicist,actually.He
wasanoperativeratherthananengineer.Hesaidhethoughtthetimescalewasmorelike2017,buthedidsaythatsuperluminalcrafthadbeenouttakingalookatitandreportedwhatwasgoingon.
Hesaiditcould...Ithinkhiswordsweresomethinglike:ItcouldjustbeapuffofwindoritcouldturntheEarthonitsaxis,butnobodyreallyknowswhat’sgoingtohappen.
PLV:Well,Irecentlydecipheredacropcircle,theAvalononefrom2008thatshowsthesolarsystem,theplanets,arrangedastheywouldbein2012.
KC:Right.
PLV:IthinkIrememberreadingsomething,oryouweretalkingaboutthis:Hey!Youknow,Pluto’snotwhereitshouldbe.
KC:DavidWilcockusesthatinoneofhistalks.
BR:[overtalk]It’sobviouslyinthewrongplace.
PLV:Right,becauseIknowonefellowwho’sbelievingthatthismeansasuperwavewillarrivein2012andhe’sactuallyworkingwithpeopletobuildashelterdowninAustraliarightnow,expectingthatthiswillhitin2012.
Butmyreactionis,whywouldtheyputthatobviouserrorinthere?SoIlookedatitandnoticedinthediagramthatappearedoneweeklaterthatshowswhatlookslikeNeptune’sorbit,thatcircle,andit’smarked,whichseemstorepresentPluto’scrossing-pointonNeptune’sorbit.
Thenit’sgotalittleellipticaldiagramwithlittlecircles,asifdividingitinelevenequalparts,andtomethat’sanelliptical
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exaggerationofPluto’sorbit–sothatwedon’tmistakeitasacircle–showingelevensubdivisionsofPluto’sorbit.IfyoutaketheperiodofPluto’sorbitandyoudivideitbyeleven,youcometotheamountthatPluto’sdisplacedinthatcropcircle.
BR:Okay.Yeah.
PLV:Andifyouaddthatto2012,youcometo2035ADwiththeexactdate,June8th,whenthatcropcircleappeared.Inotherwords,itwouldhavebeen27yearsintothefuturefrom2008,whichisinteresting.
BR:Okay.
PLV:Sowhataretheysaying?Doesthatmeanthat’swhenasuperwavewillarrive?Willitbethetimewhenthecurrentonewillend?Thatitmightarrive2012?Orwhat?Wedon’tknow.
ButthereissomethingonthepulsardiagramthatevenbeforethishappenedIhadwrittenaboutitonmywebsite.Somebodyhaddiscoveredthat,havingreadmybook,theywrotemeanemailandsaid:Bytheway,didyouknowthattheperiodsyouput,youattractedourattentiontotheCrabandVelaPulsars–whicharethesetwosupernova
remnantswhichareveryimportant,closetous,andinadditiontheVulpeculaPulsar.Ihadstatedtheperiodsforthesethree,thattheysortofformasymbolicarrow,ifyouunderstandthepulsardiagram,asIcallit–thattheperiodsareveryclosetotheFibonacciserieswhichcreatestheGoldenMean?
Andsureenough,ifyoutaketheratiosofthetwolonger-periodones,theycometotheGoldenMeanratio,towithinthat.It’s10-5,thedifference;inotherwords,onehundredthousandthisthedeviationfromthatbeingperfect.
BR:Hmm.That’sprettyclose.
PLV:ButyounoticethattheCrabperiodissignificantlyoff–andthisisassumingifthesecondistheuniversalstandardinextraterrestrialcommunicationnow,becauseI’msuggestingthatthepulsarsareanextraterrestrialmessagethatpulsarsat33milliseconds–soit’sreally34isthenumberyoucomeupwithintheFibonacciseries.
Soifyousay:WhenwouldtheCrabPulsarhavethatperiodwhereitendsupbeing34milliseconds?Well,it’sinthefuturebysomanyyearsanditcomesoutnotveryfarfromthis2035date;Iwascomingupwithsomethinglike2037orso,2038.Soitseemslikesomething’sgoingonhere.It’sinteresting.
KC:Right.Sothere’ssomekindofmessagetherebutyou’reactuallydecipheringitdifferentlythansomeofthe2012enthusiasts,ifyouwill.
PLV:Yeah.Ithinkthere’snotenoughinformationtoimmediatelyconcludethatthey’retellinguswewillbehitbyasuperwavein2012,althoughalotofpeoplehavecontactedmewho’vesaidthey’vebeenintelepathiccontactwithETswhoaretellingthem:2012–asuperwavewillarrive.
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Infact,onefellowsaidhehadthisETcontactandtheyweretellinghimaboutcosmicraywavecomingandhewantedtoknowmoreinformationaboutitsotheysaid:Well,justlookuptheworkofPaulL.[laughter]
SohedidasurfonitwithGoogleandfoundmywork.Idon'tknowifthisistrue.Maybethey’reawareofmywebsite.Idon’tknow...upthere.
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KC:Okay,sothat’sagreatplacetoend.Thankyou,that’slovely.Thankyouverymuch,PaulLaViolette.
PLV:Mm-hm.
BR:Wonderful.Thankyou.
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