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Dr.PaulLaViolette:EarthunderFire:GalacticSuperwavesLagonissi,Greece,29July,2009

[Ednote:Normallythetranscriptsthathadanypartsinthemthathadbeendifficultforthetranscriberstohearwereputin“audibles”insquarebracketsinredforBillRyantoattendto,fix,thenhe’dpostthetranscript;however,duetounexpectedinterruptionsinthenormal

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Intro:

PAULLaVIOLETTE(PLV):ThisistheproblemwithBlackProjects.They’recompletelyisolatedfromtherestoftheworld,discoveringthingsasiftheyfoundthemthemselvesforthefirsttime,while



everyoneelsewhomayhavebeendoingalotofworkonthesubjectisleftoutoftheloop;thatreallypeopleshouldbebroughtinfromoutsidetohelponthis.

Whykeepitsecret?Weallwanttohelpouttoprepareforthenextevent.

Personally,mystandpointis,fromalltheworkI’vedone,Icanonlytalkaboutprobabilities,thatwe’reoverdueforone,butIdon’tknowwhenit’sgoingtocome.Icansaythatwithinthenext400years,there’sover90percentchancewe’regoingtohaveone.Whetherit’sasmalloneoralargeone,Idon’tknow.Sothat’sthebestIcando.

Now,IwouldbesayingsomethingentirelydifferentifIhadrealevidencethattherewasone,thatsomebodyhadactuallydetectedone.

AndthiswouldhavealsowhatwecallanEMP–ElectroMagneticPulse–associatedwithit,similartowhatahigh-altitudenuclearexplosionwoulddointheatmosphere.

KERRYCASSIDY(KC):So,areyouthatrarething,“AScientistwithaConscience”?

PLV:Iguessyou’dsayso,yeah.It’sjustme,Iguess.Myinterestis

inhelpinghumanity.I’minterestedinthetruthandnotlivinginsomedreamofsomebeliefsystemthatotherpeoplearetellingyouanditdoesn’tfitthedata.

StartofInterview:

BILLRYAN(BR):ThisisBillRyanandKerryCassidyfromProjectCamelotandthisisWednesday,the29thofJuly,2009,andweareinLagonissi,whichisjustsouthofAthensinGreece.It’sourgreatpleasuretobeherebecauseweareherewithDr.PaulLaViolette,whoisbestdescribed,Ibelieve,asamaverickastrophysicistwhohassomeveryimportanttheoriesthatmaypossiblybeofsomeimpact,ifI

dareusethatword,topeopleonthisplanetatthistime.

We’reheretoaskPaultoexplainthe“HypothesisoftheGalacticSuperwave”andthat’sthesmallestnutshellIcanputthisinto.

KC:SoPaul,whydon’tyouintroduceyourselfandsaysomethingaboutyourbackground?

PLV:Well,IgrewupinafamilyofscientistsinSchenectady,NewYork.Bothmyparentshadworkedonthe“ManhattanProject.”Myfatherwasanuclearengineerworkingonnuclearsubmarinesatthetime,soI

wasexposedatanearlyagetonuclearreactorsandnuclearphysics.

Iwassortofasciencebufffromveryearly,withhobbiesinchemistry,electronics,pyrotechnics.[laughs]Iwasthefellowonthestreetwhowaslaunchingrocketsfromhisbackyard–almosthadaprettybadaccident.ItwassortofjustastrokeofluckthatIdidn’tgethurtbadly.

WemovedtoGreeceforacoupleyearsandthatwasquiteanexperience



whenIwasinhighschool.IwenttoJohnsHopkinsformyBAinPhysics.IthendidanMBA.

Iwasaconscientiousobjector,sointhemiddleofmybusinessdegree,Itookofftwoyearstodoalternativeservice;IwasworkingatHarvarddoingresearchonpublichealth,onrespiratoryprotectionofworkers.

ThenafterfinishingattheUniversityofChicago–myMBA–IdidmyPh.D.inSystemScienceatPortlandStateUniversity.Thattookquiteafewyearstogothroughthat.

ThenIfoundedTheStarburstFoundationupongraduatingandthat’sstillgoing.It’saresearchinstitute.

KC:Whatisitresearching?

PLV:Well,Ifoundeditwiththepurposeofinvestigatingfurtherthe“SuperwavePhenomenon”,andintheeventthatsignsofasuperwavewereabouttobearriving,thatwewouldgointohighgearalerting,likewhenyouhavethefirstwarningsignsofanearthquake,thatyoustartalertingeveryone.

Weweredealingherewithaphenomenonthatfewpeopleknewabout,soIfeltobligatedtotryanddomybesttoinformpeopleaboutthisnewconcept.

KC:Sodidyoutrainandhirepeoplethatwereabletohandleandunderstandthesciencebehindthesuperwave?

PLV:Atonetimewehadsomevolunteershelpout,forexample,whenweweregettingicecoresamplesfromHolland,tohelppreparethechesttobringtheice,butweneverreallyhadseriousfundingtobeabletohirepeople.

KC:Okay.

PLV:MostofthecharitableinstitutionswereinterestedinfundingtheartsandtheyfiguredscienceislefttotheNationalScienceFoundationinNASA,butthey[NSF&NASA]tendtofundveryconventional-typeresearchthatfitsexactlywiththeparadigm.

KC:Sowhatyou’resayingbasicallyisthatyoucreatedthisInstitutedidyoucallit?OrwouldyoucallitaThinkTankor...?

PLV:IwouldcallitaResearchInstitute.

KC:Institute.Okay.Andintheoryit’sthereincaseyoufindthatthesuperwavereallyisontheway.Butinasensehaven’tyoufoundthatthatistruealready?

PLV:Well,yeah.Thereisasuperwaveonthewayfromthecenterofthegalaxy–it’s23,000light-yearstraveleddistance.Ibelievethere’snotonebutseveralontheirwaytowardsus.

TherewereotherpurposesfortheFoundationalso;itwastodofurtherworkonaphysicsthatIdevelopedcalledSubquantumKinetics



whichhasnewimplicationsbothfortechnologyandforcosmology.Infactitcompletelyrevisesthewayweregardtheworld,theUniverse.

AlsoI’vedonesomeworkinthepsychologyareaofthoughtformationandsothatwasathirdpossibleareawecouldinvestigate.Butalsoalternativeenergywasafourthtopic.So,allofthese.

KC:Okay,soyou’resayingthatthereisagalacticsuperwaveonthewayandyouthinkthere’smorethanone.

PLV:Yes.Several.

KC:Several.

PLV:Mm-hm.

KC:Okay,andthereasonyouthinkthere’smorethanoneis...?

PLV:Well,youlookatthepasttounderstandthefuture.Inthiscaseyou’redealingwithacyclicphenomenon.WehavetheicecorerecordfrombothAntarcticaandGreenlandandpeoplehavemeasuredberyllium-10,whichisanindicatorofcosmicrayintensityonthesurfaceoftheEarth.Soitsortofgivesyouachartofhowcosmic

rayintensityhasvariedoverthelastfewhundred-thousandyears,andgoingbackyouseethesepeaks.

IhadpredictedyouwouldfindpeakswhenIdidmyPh.D.dissertationonthistopicatPortlandStateUniversityandlaterthedatacameout,andindeed,therewerepeaks.Youcantakethisandanalyzeittolookatfortheperiods.Youfindthattherearecertainperiodsthatcomeoutofthisdata.Oneofthemisaround26,000to28,000years,whichisapproximatingtheprecessionalcycleoftheEarth.Infact,thetwotendtomatchupinacertainwaywhichisveryinteresting.

Anotherisaround11,500years.Andthethirdoneisaround5,700years,whichisclosetotheMayancalendarcycle.AndyouseethattherewasamajoreventattheendoftheIceAgebetween11,000and16,000yearsago,andthatwe’reinfactoverduenowforanotherone.

Thereweresmallerevents.Youseeasmalleventaround5,300yearsago;itlastedmaybe20yearsorso.There’salsoverysmallevents–averagingevery500yearsorso–sincethen.Therewere14smallpuffsofgasthatwereemittedfromthegalacticcenter,whichindicates[that]itwasactive,butitwasn’tactiveenoughtocreateapeakthatyoucouldseeinthe[ice]record.

KC:Soyoudeterminedthisbylookingattheicecoresandtheamount

ofdebrisinthem?AmIwrong?

PLV:Well,theywereanalyzingberyllium-10,whichisaradioactiveelement.It’sproducedintheatmospherebycosmicrays.Itdoesn’toriginateonEarthbecause,beingradioactive,iteventuallydissipates,decaysaway.Ithasahalf-lifelongerthancarbon-14,sotheycangobackfurtherthanwithcarbon-14,withthis.

KC:Okay.Sowhenyousaythere’sasmallevent,whatisasmalleventcomprisedof?HowdoesthataffecttheEarth?PLV:Thesmallevent



thathappened5,300yearsago,itwasjustalittlespikeanditwaseasilymissed.Itwasonlyseenbecausethisparticularresearcherdidaverydetailedstudyofthe[ice]coreandtheyfoundit–withoutremarkingwhatitwas.Iwastheonethatcalledattentiontoit.

Atthesametime,anotherresearcherfoundthattheclimatecooledinexplicablyatthattimeandbecamedry.Infact,intheAndestheyfound...LonnieThompson,aglaciologistwhoIworkedwithatthetimeIwasdoingmyPh.D.research,hewastheonewhosentmesamplesfromtheCampCenturyicecorethatIhadanalyzed.

Histeamfoundactualvegetationfrozenintheice,sortoflikeflash-frozen,itstillhadagreencolor,youknow,asifthereweresomehailstormatthattime.It’sthesameyeartheyfoundtheIceMan;theIceManintheAlpsdatestoaboutthesametime.Soitseemslikethereweresuddenblizzardsthatoccurredaboutthattime.

KC:SoareyouextrapolatingthatthissuperwavecouldcauseanIceAge?

PLV:Inthiscaseitdidn’t.Thesmalleventdidn’tcauseanIceAge,butitdidcausecooling.Butinalargerevent...WeseetheseeventsoccurringatthetimeoftheinitiationofthelastIceAge.YouseethemliningupnotonlywiththebeginningoftheIceAgebutalsoattheending,andwithmajorclimatictransitionsinbetween.Sothere’sadefiniteconnectionbetweenclimateandthesuperwaves.

KC:Okay.BR:Iwanttoasksomequestionshereonbehalfofalotofintelligentlistenerswehavewhoarealerttoyournameandtothefactthatyouhavebeensayingsomethingsthatareconsideredbymanyintelligentpeopletobeimportant,buttheystilldon’tknowwhata

superwaveis.Iwonderedifyoucanbackrightupandtellourviewers:Whatisasuperwave?Anddotheyexist,orisitjustahypothesizedevent?Andwhyshouldtheycare?

PLV:Asuperwaveconsistsofcosmicrayelectrons,gamma-rays,x-rays,light,radiowaves–acrossthewholespectrum–alongwithagravitywave,andthisisalltravelingatthespeedoflighttowardsoursolarsystem.Infact,itpropagatesthroughoutthewholegalaxy,sortoflikeasphericalshelltravelingoutfromthecenterofthegalaxy.

BR:So,insimplisticterms,it’sanenormouscosmic-scale,galacticexplosioncomingfromthecenterofthegalaxy.

PLV:Right.We’veallheardofgamma-raybursts.

BR:Yes.

PLV:Infact,somescientistshavetheorizedthatthegamma-raysareaccompaniedbychargedparticlescomingalongwiththem,thatit’s



actuallythechargedparticlesthatgeneratethegamma-raysontheway.Thisiswhatasuperwaveis,exceptonamuchlargerscale.Insteadofaburst,justofafractionofasecond,we’redealingwithsomethingthatcouldcontinueforhundreds,eventhousands,ofyears.

KC:Whenyousayitcouldcontinueforhundredsorthousandsofyears,areyoutalkingaboutitcouldtravelforhundredsorthousandsofyearsandtakethatlongtogethere?OrareyoutalkingaboutitsactualimpactonEarthlastingforhundredsorthousandsofyears?

PLV:TheactualperiodthattheEarthwouldbegoingthroughthisstorm–youcanthinkofitasagalacticstorm–couldbeanywherefromafewhundredyearstothousandsofyears,like4,000years,maybe5,000years.

KC:Soareyouseeingtracesthatinthepast–becauseyousaidevery26,000yearsthatthereisevidenceofthis,anditmatcheswiththeprecessionoftheEquinox.Areyousayingthatduringthattimethere’sevidencethatitstayedaround,itsimpactlastedforupto4,000years?Oratthosetimesdiditlastforshorterperiods?

PLV:Ifyoulookattherecord–inmybookIshowedtheberyllium-10record–-yousee,forexample,around40,000yearsagotherewas

quiteaheftypeakthere,lasting5,000years,thewholething.

Thisisactuallyoneeventthatthere’sbeenalotofstudyonbyotherglaciologists.Theyallagreethatthecosmicrayintensitywentupinarealfashionatthattime,althoughtheyproposeanalternativetheoryofsupernovaexplosion,withoutsayingwhereisthesupernova.Theysuggestedastarnearbyexploded.

Myanswertothatisthishappensveryrarely,tohaveastarexplodethatclosetocausethecosmicrayintensitytosignificantlyincrease

onEarth.Andwe’retalkingaboutmanypeaks,youknow.Theyjustwantedtoexplaintheone,butwhatabout...Intherecordthatwehave,there’ssomethingliketwelvetofifteenpeaks.

KC:Andthesearecyclicalso,inessence,starsdon’texplodeonacyclicalbasis,asfarasweknow.

PLV:That’stheotherthing.Yeah.

KC:Okay.

BR:Iwanttoaskyou,Paul,istherearecognizedhypothesizedmechanismwherebywhateveritisatthecenterofthegalaxy–and

therearethosewhothinkit’sablackhole–wouldactuallyemitthesesuperwavesonacyclicalbasis?Istheresometheoreticalbackgroundfortheexistenceofthatperiodicity?

PLV:Ihaven’theardthemputforwardsomethingtoexplainthecyclicnature.Ithinkthattheyfinditsortofmysterious.

Theconventionalview...becausetheyseethisgoingoninothergalaxies.They’recalledexplodinggalaxies,orSeyfertgalaxies;quasars.Thesearevariousnamesforthesamesortofthing.



Atonetimetheythoughtaquasarwasanunusualobjectinspace,wheninfact,itturnsoutit’sagalaxywhosecenterhasbecomesobrightthatitlooksstar-likeandtheydon’tseethegalaxyitself.Butwiththespacetelescope,theyfoundthespiralarmsthere.

Theywouldthinkthattheseexplodinggalaxieshaveacycleontheorderofseveralhundred-millionyearsandthattheperiodoftheexplosionwouldlastaboutafewmillionyears,withtheideathatifithappenedinourowngalaxy--becausetheyalsowouldsay,Well,it’spossibleitwouldhappeninourgalaxy,too;buttheysay,Well,we’reinaquiescentperiodnow,whichshouldholdforatleastanother50-millionyears,soweshouldn’tbeworryingaboutit.

Andevenifitdidhappen,theconventionalviewisthatthesecosmicrayswouldbeheldbackbythemagneticfieldsthatthesewouldcometoourrescuetoholdbackthecosmicraysfromleavingthecenterofthegalaxy.

KC:Sotogetbacktoyourtheory,though,ofwhatyoucallthesuperwave,youseeevidencethatweareinthemidstofasuperwavenow?Orseveralofthem,you’resaying?

PLV:No,theyhaven’tarrived.We’reintheeyeofthehurricane,thenicesunnyperiodinbetweenbeforethestormarrives.Thethingisthatyoucan’tseethemcomingbecausetheytravelatthespeedoflight,soit’saphenomenonthat’stotallywithoutwarning,justlikeagamma-rayburst.Theyonlyknowitwhentheirdetectorspickitup,andthenthey’reabletolocatewhereitcamefrom.

KC:Well,ifit’scomingtooursolarsystem,wouldn’totherplanetsbeaffectedbeforewewould?

PLV:Yes.Itaffectsallplanets,allstars.

KC:So,inasense,youcouldseeitcomingifyousawtheeffectson

otherplanetsbeforeithitEarth.Isthatright?

PLV:Well,thelightfromthoseeffectsontheotherplanetsalsotravelsatthespeedoflight,soitactuallylagsbehindtheactualeventitself.

BR:Yeah.Iunderstandverywellthatthisissomethingthatyoucan’tseehappeningbecauseofthenatureofthelimitedspeedoflight,andthisissomethingthattravelsoutwardatthespeedoflight.Sobasically,thiscomesupandhitsyoufrombehind,asitwere,andyou’vegotnowarning.

PLV:Yeah.TherewouldbeonlyonewayIcouldseethatyoucouldhavewarning.If,let’ssay,ahypothesis,thattherewerecivilizationsinthegalaxy,therewasintelligentlifeandtheyrecognizedtheimportanceofknowingwhenthesewerecomingandsetupoutpostsatdifferentpointsthatwereabletorelayasignalthatwassuperluminal–inotherwords,thatwouldtravelfasterthanthespeedoflight–togetthewarninghere,sowe’dknowexactlywhenthenextonewasgoingtoarrive.That’spossible.



BR:Yeah.

KC:Okay,wellweactuallyhaveawitness,wecallhimJakeSimpson,whohassaidthattheydidsendasuperluminalcraftoutsidethissolarsystemandthattheyhaveseenawaveapproaching.Hecalleditawave.We’renotsureifheactuallymeantawave,butinessencetheysawsomethingheadedtowardus.

PLV:Whoisthey?

KC:ThepeoplethatheworksforinBlackProjects,basically.ThisisJakeSimpson.Sothatwasoneofthereasonsthatweweresortofinterestedinhearingyourtheorybecauseinmanywaysitseemstocoincidewithwhathewassaying,withwhattheysaw.PLV:Andhowcloseisit?Didhesay?

KC:Inthisperiodofyears,betweennowand2017.

PLV:Mm-hm.

BR:Yes,itwasveryinteresting.ItwasaconversationwhichIpersonallyhadwithhimlastOctoberwhenwemet.He’snotaphysicist,buthe’sanintelligentman.He’sworkedforBlackProjects

ontheinsideandhe’ssayingthingstousthatareatthelimitofwhathecansay.

Whathesaidwasthatthereisawavecoming.Hestressedthatthewavewasasortoflooseterm;itwasametaphor.Hesaidtothinkofitintermsofawave.Hesaiditlikethat.AndIhavenoideawhetherhe’sacquaintedwithyourtheories.

PLV:Well,thisistheproblemwithBlackProjects.They’recompletelyisolatedfromtherestoftheworldanddiscoveringthingsasiftheyfoundthemthemselvesforthefirsttimewhileeveryoneelsewhomayhavebeendoingalotofworkonthesubjectisleftoutoftheloop.

Theonlypeoplethatloseoutarethehumanrace,basically.BecauseI’vebeenhere;I’vebeenworkingonsuperwavessince1979;soabout30years,andIwouldbehappytoworkwiththem.IbelieveI’dhavesomethingtocontributeiftheydidindeedhavesomeinformationlikethat.

KC:Soactuallyisitpossiblethattheyarefollowingyourwork?Benefitingfromit?

PLV:Oh,I’msurethey’veboughtmybookandit’scirculatedamongtheBlackProjectscientists.

KC:Especiallyifyourparents,asyousaid,workedintheManhattan

Project.

PLV:Well,regardlessofthat,Ithinkthey’researchingfornewideasallthetimetosortoffunnelthisintowhatthey’redoing.Ithinktosomeextenttheyrealizethattheydon’thavealltheideas,thatthere’sinterestingstuffoutthere.

ButIthinkit’sthat,really,peopleshouldbebroughtinfromoutsidetohelponthis.Whykeepitsecret?Weallwanttohelpout,toprepareforthenextevent.



Personally,mystandpointis,fromalltheworkI’vedone,Icanonlytalkaboutprobabilities,thatwe’reoverdueforone,butIdon’tknowwhenit’sgoingtocome.BecauseI’mlookingatthepastrecord,Iseethecycles.

Iseewhenthelasteventsoccurred,andIcansaythatwithinthenext400years,there’sover90percentchancewe’regoingtohaveone.Whetherit’sasmalloneoralargeone,Idon’tknow.Sothat’sthebestIcando.

Now,IwouldbesayingsomethingentirelydifferentifIhadrealevidencethattherewasone,thatsomebodyhadactuallydetectedone.TheStarburstFoundation,forexample,wouldgointohighgeartosay,youknow:We’vegottostartpreparing.

We’renotpreparedforsomethinglikethis.NotevenforaCarringtoneventsolarflarewhichcouldwipeoutallthepowersystems,ifwehadone.

KC:Soareyousayingthatthesuperwavewouldresultinthewipingoutofthepowersystems?

PLV:Ohyeah.

KC:Whatothereffectswouldithave?

PLV:Thethingis,thesuperwave,onitsforefront,wouldhaveaverydensesortofshock-frontofcosmicraysandthiswouldhavealsowhatwecallanEMP–ElectroMagneticPulse–associatedwithit,similartowhatahigh-altitudenuclearexplosionwoulddointheatmosphere.

Whenthisarrives,it’sgoingtocreatesimilarphenomena,justliketheStarfishExplosion–IbelieveitwasnearHawaii–andwhentheEMPwavearrived,therewerewholesectionsoftheislandthatwere

havingblackoutsasaresult.Italsowouldfryelectroniccircuits;phoneswouldgoout.We’vehadevensmallerevents,likegamma-raybursts,affectthecommunicationsystemsanddodamagetoourcommunicationsystems.Sosomethinglikethiswouldprettymuchroastallthesatelliteequipmentwe’vegot.Celltelephoneswouldn’tbeworking.TVwouldbeofftheairifitdependedonsatellite.

Perhapstelephoneswouldcontinuetoworkifitwasfiber-optic,ifitwasinsulatedfromthissortofthing.Yourpowerlineswouldpickupthepulse.Thewireswouldhaveahugevoltagesurgewhichwouldfrythetransformers–thestep-downtransformersthatgofromyourmillion-voltvoltagesdowntothevoltagesyouuseinyourhouse.

KC:Wouldn’titalsoaffectthecarsthatwehavenow?

PLV:Thecarsthatareallnowwithchipsinthem.InthecaseofanEMPfromanuclearexplosion,forexample,theywarnthatitcouldfrythechipsinacar.

KC:Andthisissomethingthatcouldlastforahundredyears,you’resaying,onceitarrived.



PLV:Theforefront–we’retalkingaboutsomethingthatmightjustbeminutes,anditwouldbeprobablyprecededbyagravitywavewhichwouldcauseearthquakes;seismiceventsallovertheEarth,notjustinoneplace.Sothatmightbethefirstwarning,actually,thingsshaking.

BR:Letmebackupjustafractionagaintohelpourviewersunderstandthis,mostlytohelpmeunderstandthis.Doesasuperwaveincorporateagamma-rayburst,orarethesetwodifferentphenomenathatyou'redescribing?

PLV:Different.Thegamma-rayburststhattheytalkaboutareusuallyfromisolatedstellarexplosions,perhapsverypowerfulsupernovaexplosions.Theyhavesomespecialphysicsinvolvedthere,thatthestarsareveryunusual,likeneutronstarscollidingandsoon.

BR:Okay.

PLV:Thethingisthatwhatevertheyare,wecanonlyguessbecausethey’resofaraway.Mostofthegamma-rayburststhatwe’repickingupcomefromothergalaxies,millionsoflight-yearsaway.

There’sbeenonlyonecasewe’veobserved,onethatcamefromwithin

ourgalaxy.Itwasaplacenearthegalacticcenter,butnotatthecore.What’sunusualthereisthatabouttwodaysbeforethegamma-rayburstarrivedwastheworstseismiceventthatwe’vehadin30yearsthatcausedthe2004BoxingDayTsunamiinMalaysiaandover250,000peoplediedinthatevent.

KC:Soyou’resayingthatwascausedbyagamma-rayexplosion?

PLV:Gamma-rayburst.Thiswasthefirstonetheyfoundthatwasemittedfromwithinourgalaxy.Itwasthemostintensethatthey’deverobservedinthehistoryofgamma-rayobservatoryphysics.

Thecoincidenceofbeingjustshortlyaftertheworstearthquakewe’ve

hadin40years...Youcandotheprobabilitiesandyoucomeupwithverysmallprobabilitythatit’sduetochance.

KC:Soyou’resayingthisgamma-rayversusasuperwave;ifyouweretocomparethemasevents,wouldyousaythatthesuperwaveis...itsoundslikeit’smuchmorelong-range,itwouldimpactforyearsatatime.

PLV:Yeah.

KC:Andit’scyclicalasopposedtothegamma-rayburststhatmaybearen’texplainable?

PLV:Thegamma-rayburst,probablythesourcestarendsupblowingitselfupcompletelyintosmithereens,sothere’snocycleinvolved.

Whereascoreexplosions,we’redealingwiththemassiveobjectatthecenterofthegalaxy–scientistscallitablackhole.Idon’tbelieveinblackholesandIknowotherastrophysiciststhatdon’tbelieveinblackholes,butIdobelieveit’saverymassiveobject.Ibelieveit’sthecoreofastar.

Innaturalevolution,astarwillejectitsatmosphereandyou’releft



withaverydensecore.Ithasadensitysimilartoawhitedwarfstarwhichis,liketheysay,one-ton-per-cubic-centimeter;orinanextremecase,gotothedensityofaneutronstar,whichisamilliontimesgreater.

Imean,we’retalkingaboutaspiralgalaxywhosecoreobjecthasevolvedtothepointwhereit’sstartingthisoutburstcycle.And,bytheway,that’showagalaxyisformed.Theseoutburstsactuallyparticipateintheformationofthegalaxy.That’swhatcausesthespiralphenomenon,becausewithouttheseoutbursts,thespiralarmswouldwinduponthemselves.Thisisaproblemwhichastrophysicistshavewonderedabout:Whydon’tthespiralarmswindupasitturns?Wellit’sbecauseyouhavetheseperiodicoutburstscomingoutandtheysortofpropeleverything.

KC:Butdoyouknowwhatcausesthat?Theperiodicoutbursts?

PLV:Yeah.IhavetheorythatcomesoutofSubquantumKinetics.InSubquantumKinetics,youhaveacontinuouscreationofmatterandenergy,basicallyaviolationoftheFirstLawofThermodynamics,whichisnobigdeal,youknow...maybephysicistswouldconsideritabigdeal.

Butthepointisthatwe’retalkingaboutalevelthat’s10ordersofmagnitudesmallerthanwhattheycanobserveinalaboratory.Infact,Ihavesuggestedanexperimentwheretheycanobserveitinspacewithmicrowavesignalsbetweenspacecraft.

Ipublishedtheamountoftheenergyincreaseofaphotonoverthatperiodofdistance.Infact,theyendedupfindingthis,andit’stodaycalledThePioneerEffect.

KC:Okay.SothisSubquantumKinetic–whatdoyoucall–particles?

It’satheory...

PLV:SubquantumKineticsisthenameIgavetothephysics.It’sresultingfromtakingconceptsinsystemtheory,theareaIwasstudyingformyPh.D.work.

Ifyoubringsystemsconceptsintophysicsandbring,forexample,modelsthathavebeendevelopedintheareaofchemistry,ofhowchemicalwavesform,Irealizedthatthese,forexample,formaverygoodmodelfordescribinghowaparticleformsinspace,andyoufindthatitsolvesalotofproblemswhichphysicshadbefore.

Physicstraditionallyhasbeenbasedonmechanicsandwe’retalking

aboutachemicalreactionapproachtophysics.Actuallyyoucouldsayit’salchemicalandittiesinwithancientideas,too.

KC:Doesthisrelatetohyper-dimensionalphysicsandparticlesbeingwavesdependingonhowyoulookatthem?

PLV:Okay,itdoespostulatetheexistenceofhigherdimensions.Thebasicidea,whichiswhatsteeredmeintoallofthisworkthatI’vebeendoing,wastherealizationthatthebasisofExistenceisflux.Thisistotallydifferentfromwhatphysicistshavebeenteaching.



Physiciststeachthatthebasisofexistenceisstructure–thereareparticlesthataresomehowboundtoeachother,evenquarks.Theyspeakofquarksingluons,the“glue”thatholdsthemtogether,sotospeak.

Iftheybegintalkingaboutflux...Becausefromtheirpointofview…physicsisapositivistscience.Theywanttoobserve,toactuallysay:Well,thereitis.Iobserveit.

Whereisthisflux?Well,theycan’tseeit.Youcan’tseethisfluxbecauseit’satanethericlevel.Youpostulateanetherasasubstrateformingphysicalphenomena.

BR:Agamma-rayburstbasicallyisalocaleventthatcomesfromasupernova,whichishugelydestructiveandpowerfulandwe’requitefortunatetonothaveanynearus.Webasicallymainlyhaveseenthem,ifIunderstanditright,inneighboringgalaxies.

Butthesuperwaveissomethingdifferent,whichiscyclical,isaccompaniedbyagravitywave,isaccompaniedbycosmicraydebrisandlastsquitealongtime,likeastorm,andleavesitsimprintsandits

echoesmateriallyinicecoresamples,whichisthetangibleevidencethatyouhavethatthere’ssomethinggoingonherethat’snotbeingrecognized.

Canyouspeaktoallofthatandlaythisoutsimplyforpeoplesothattheycansortofseetheterritorythatwe’retalkingabouthere?

PLV:Okay.Wealsohavesupernovaexplosionsinourowngalaxy,butthey’renotofthekindoftheverypowerfulonesthatcausethesegamma-raybursts.Unless,whenwe’reseeingthesegamma-raybursts,whatitis,isjustaclumpofveryenergeticparticlesthathappened

tocomeourwayatthatmoment.Whenscientistsaresayingitwasvery,verypowerful,they’resaying:Imaginethatthiswasthesameenergyfromwhateverangleyouviewedthisstaranditwouldenduptotalingtoahuge,astronomicalamountofenergy.

Butifitwasjustaclump,acollimatedburstthathappenedtocome,thenyou’redowntomorereasonablelevels.Thethingiswedon’treallyknow;thesethingsaresofaraway.Butwedoknowthatsupernovaexplosionsthathavehappenedwithinourgalaxydon’treallyaffectusthatmuch,unlessithappenstobeoneveryclose,likewithin30light-years,whichisaveryrareevent.

Butthecoreexplosionsaredifferentinthat,insteadofjusta

fractionofasecondfortheevent,you’retalkingaboutanythingfromseveralyearsforaveryminoreventto4,000to5,000years’duration.

Thelongereventscanactuallystartaffectingclimate,becausewhattheydoistheyvaporizecometaryicewhichissurroundingoursolarsystemenduppushingthisnebularmaterialintothesolarsystem,anditaffectsthewaylightgetstotheEarthfromthesun.Itendsupenergizingthesun.Itfallsontothesun;thesunbecomesmoreactive



andmoreofaflaringstar.

Actuallythesunendsup,then,doingmoredamagetoEarththanthesuperwaveitself.Thesuperwaveissortofwhatgetsthisdustinandthenyougetworsethingshappening.

KC:SoisitpossiblethatSolarCycle24couldbeactingontheEarthasaresultofasuperwavethat’sgoingtohitthesun?

PLV:No.

KC:No.

PLV:No,becausewe’veinthein-betweenperiod,inbetweensuperwaves.Thesolarsystemisfairlycleanofdust.

Imean,ifthesolarsystemwaspackedwithdustlikethelevelI’mtalkingabout,wewouldallseeit.Youwouldseethemoonbeingblottedoutbyadustcloudorahugedustcloudgoingacrossthesun.

KC:Oh,wow.

PLV:Itwouldbedefinitelycoasttocoastnews;bothsidesoftheplanet.

BR:Thesedustclouds,aren’ttheyalsotravelingatthespeedoflightfromthegalacticcore?

PLV:No,no,thedustdoesn’tcomefromthecoreofthegalaxy.It’salreadyaroundoursolarsystemandit’sprettymuchstationary,relativelystationary,justorbitingthesun,normally.

Butwhenthesuperwavearrives,itcreatesasortofashock-front

aroundthesolarsystembecausethesolarsystemhasmagneticfieldsaroundit,anditcreateswhattheycallbow-shockaroundtheheliopause.Heliopauseisthenameofthesortofprotectivesheathofmagneticfieldsaroundthesolarsystem.

Inthemagneticfields,thesuperwaveparticlestendtogettrappedtosomeextentandbuilduptoveryhighlevels,enoughofadensityofcosmicrayenergytoactuallystartvaporizingice.Whenthathappensit’sactuallyabletoraisethetemperaturefromcloseto,let’ssay,tendegreesaboveabsolutezero,uptothelevelwheretheicecouldvaporizeandreleasebothdustandwatervapor–gas–intospaceand

thisstuffgetspushedinasit’sbeingpushedinbythesuperwavecosmicrays.

It’slikeabattlebetweenthesolarwindandthesuperwavecosmicrays.Thesolarwindissortofexpellingthisdust,butthenthesuperwaveispushingthisinanditwillactuallycompressthemagneticfieldsheaththat’saroundthesolarsysteminward.

InmythesiswhichIpublishedin1983,[“OnGalacticCoreExplosionsandTheirEffectontheEarthandSolar



System”…www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/EUF-CD.html]IwassuggestingthatattheendoftheIceAge,thesheathactuallygotpushedinalmosttoMars’orbit.Sofromthere,it’sjustashorthopforthisdustthentocomeinaroundthesun.

Itwouldactuallyproduceacocoonaroundthesun,sothatthesunwouldn’tbeyellowlikeweseeit;itwouldbereddish.

BR:SoletmefeedbacktoyouwhatIthinkthatyou’resaying.Whatyou’resayingisthatthesuperwavecreatesahugeenergeticimpactonthedynamicsystemsinthesolarsystemandthenthatcausessomanyenergeticcomplications–andI’mspeakingverygenerallyheredeliberately–andthat’sactuallywhatcreatesthemajorchangesintheweatherthatcouldlastseveralthousandyears.

Becausethereverberations,electromagnetically,andthedustclouds,andthebehaviorofthesunandeverythingelsearegoingtocausequitealongrippleeffectlocallyafterthesuperwaveitselfisactuallyallover.HaveIgotthatapproximatelycorrect?

PLV:Yeah.Thinkofthisinsystemsconcepts.Thinkofasystem,andtheyspeakofperturbingthesystemwithanoutsideinfluenceofforceorsomething.

BR:Yeah.

PLV:Thesolarsystem,andinfacttheEarth’sclimaticsystem,isherebeingperturbedbyconditionsthatnormallydon’texisttoday.ThewholeenergeticsaroundtheEarthchanges.

Ifit’sinplacefordecadesanddecades,that’slongenoughfortheEarth’sclimaticsystemtogetperturbedinto,let’ssay,anIceAgeortocomeoutofanIceAge.Ifitwasverybrief,itwouldn’tbelongenoughtocausethishugeclimaticshiftthatwe’veseen.

KC:Butyouaresayingthatyou’veobservedthatthisiscyclicaland

you’veobservedthatthishappensevery26,000years,andfromwhatIunderstand,inyourbookyou’repullinginastrology,theTarot,theMayancalendar,andallthesesortofpropheciesthat,youknow,howtheHopisaytherearedifferentagesthatwegothrough.Inasenseyoumustbepredictingonecomingfairlysoon.

PLV:Right.

KC:Accordingtothecycle.

PLV:Yeah.Well,Ifoundcyclesof26,000,11,500and5,700years.ThiswasastudydonebysomepeopleintheStateofWashingtonwhodidsomenumbercrunchingasasortofcontributiontoStarburst–we

dohavepeoplethathelpoutattimes.Withthatwecouldseethatwe’reoverduepresently.

Butbeforetheyhaddonethistogetmoreofascientific,accurateestimationofthecycles,youcouldseemyownwork.Ididjustbyeyeballingitandcouldseethattherewasthis,both13,000-and26,000-yearperiodthere.ButIwasalittleoff,perhaps.Theshortoneismorecloseto11,500andthenthere’sa5,700-yearperiod.

KC:Soifitarrivesfasterthanthespeedoflight,then...



PLV:Notfaster.I’msuggestingatthespeedoflightalthoughthegravitywavewouldhavebeenslightlysuperluminalattheverybeginningifitwasduetoanexplosiveoutburstthatwouldhavecausedittogetaslightheadstart.Butprettymuchthewholethingtravelsatthespeedoflighttowardsus.

KC:Sothenitcouldhappenatanytime.Imean,amIright?

PLV:Yeah,we’reinthedangerperiod.Youhavetorealize–whichalotofscientistsdon’tbecausetheirtheoriesstillbelievethatgalacticcoreexplosionsareeveryhundred-millionyears–youhavetorealizethatweareonthefringeofavolcano,agalacticvolcano,andit’sanactivevolcano,andweshouldbeexpectingtheeruptionveryshortly.

KC:Whenyousayveryshortly,becauseIunderstandyou’relookingverylongrange–what’sveryshortly?Isthatinayear?Twoyears?Fouryears?Ahundredyears?

PLV:Idon’tknow.IonlygooutonthelimbandIsaythere’sa90percentchanceinthenext400yearsofthishappening.

KC:Allright.

PLV:IthinkI’mprettysafethatsomethingwillhappen,evenifit’sasmalloutburst.Becausemodernastronomyhasbeenaroundonlyforafewhundredyearsnow,wehaven’tseenanybrightluminositiescomingfromthegalacticcenter.

KC:Whataboutthefactthatwe’recomingequalwiththegalacticcenter?Doesthataffectanyofthisormakeitmorelikely,orwillthewayithitsuschange?

PLV:No.Whatyou’retalkingabout,theMayancalendarandthesuncrossingthegalacticplane,there’snoeffectthere.It’smoreyouhavetolookattheperiodandwhenthelasteventhappened.

It’sinterestingthatthe5,300-yearevent,thesmalleventof20-yeardurationorso,occurredjustbeforethebeginningoftheMayancalendarcycle,theonethatwe’recurrentlyin.Thatcyclebegan5,126yearsbefore2000,orbefore2012,soaround3100BC.

Whereaswe’reseeingthiseventwasaround3300BC,plusorminusafewhundredyears,becausewedon’tknowaccuratelyfromthedating.We’rerelyingonicecoredatinganditcouldbealittleoff.Maybeit’soffbyahundredyearsorso.

BR:WhatIwanttoachievehereissomewayofassistingmanypeoplewhowatchourvideostounderstandthescientificbasisforwhichit’s

plausiblethatsomethingmightbecomingthisway,andit’sinourinteresttounderstandandpossiblyeventopreparefor,thatpeoplearepickingupintuitively.They’rereadingthingsontheInternet,thingsgetdistortedandmuddiedaroundandtheydon’tknowwhatthey’rereading.

Theyhearthesetermslikesuperwaveandgamma-rayburstandtheydon’tknowwhattheymeanandtheydon’tknowwhetherthisisthismumbo-jumbo,orwhetherit’sreallysomethingthatcouldaffecttheirlivesandchangetheirlivesandtheydon’tknowwhatbasisthereis



fortakingthesethingsseriouslyanddiggingmoreintoit.

Thereasonwhywe’reheretalkingtoyouisbecauseyou’rethemanwhorepresentsandisthespokespersonfortheseimportantideas.AndIsaythey’reimportantideasbecauseanyhypothesisinphysicsisanimportantidea.Evenifit’sdisproved,itwasanimportantideauntilitwasdisprovedandthistakesthewholethingforward,asyou’llunderstand.

Sotheopportunityhereisforyoutoexplaintotheviewersasbestasyoucanhowitisthatthesephenomenashouldbetakenseriouslyinyourrecommendation,whatimpacttheymighthaveonus.Whataretheprobabilities?

Isthiscatastrophismthatweshouldbeignoring,andsay:Youknowwhat,everything’sgoingtobefinebecauseit’salwaysbeenfine?

Ormaybethegeologicalrecordshowsthatthingshavenotalwaysbeenfineandyoushouldbeonthealertbecausewe’relivingonanunstableplanetinaverydynamicsystemthat'saffectedbyallkindsofthingswhichwe’reonlyjustonthevergeofstartingtounderstand.

PLV:Well,whatyou’resayingisthesamequestionthatwentthroughmymind:Isthisarealphenomenon?That’swhatcausedmetochangethetopicofmydissertation,myPh.D.work,toinvestigatethesuperwavephenomenon.In1979iswhenIfirstdiscoveredthatthismightoccur.Iformedahypothesis.IcalledittheGalacticExplosionHypothesisandconvincedmydissertationcommitteethatIcoulddothis,Icouldtestthishypothesis,andthatIcouldproduceaPh.D.onthis,whichIcouldn’thavedoneatalotofuniversities.

IthappenedthatIwasinaprogramthatwasveryinterdisciplinary,sotheideaofbringinginevidencefromvariousareas–fromgeology,astronomy,paleontology,highenergyphysics–wasfittingwiththis

program.

IntheendIsummarizedtheevidenceandfoundthatitallseemedtosupportthisconceptthatasuperwavehadindeedpassedthroughoursolarsystembetweenelevenandsixteenthousandyearsagocausingmajoreffectstotheclimate.

Wehadaverysignificantmassextinction,calledthePleistoceneExtinction,wherelargemammalsdiedalongwithspeciesofbirdsandanumberofotheranimals.Somepeoplehavesaiditwastheworstextinctiontohaveoccurredsincetheextinctionofthedinosaurs.

Iwasalsodrawingfromancientlegends,althoughIdidn’tincludethatinthedissertation,butIdobelievethatthat’savaluablesourceofinformation.

BR:Well,theFloodmyths,forexample.

PLV:Floodmyths,thestoryofthesunburningtheEarth,HorusbeingstungbytheScorpion–theScorpionisthesigninthedirectionofthegalacticcenter–thingslikethis.



BR:ThisiswherethetailoftheScorpionintheastrologicalsymbolactuallypointstowardthegalacticcenter.

PLV:Right.

BR:Asiftheancientsweretryingtotellussomething.

PLV:Yeah.Therearetwoarrowsintheastrologicalsymbols.Now,rememberthatthesigns,whatwecalltheastrologicalsigns,areactualconstellationsoutthere,andthisishowtheywereoriginallyformed,asstarconstellations.

TherearetwoarrowsintheZodiac.OneistheSagittariusarrowandtheotheristhetailoftheScorpion,andtheyarebothpointing,itseems,atsomething.ThiswasmyfirstconnectionImadebetweenastrologyandtheGalacticCoreExplosionphenomenonwhenIrealizedthatthecenterofthegalaxywasinthatregionwheretheywerepointing.

BR:Sowhatyou’repositingtherewastheancientastrologers,whowerealsoastronomers,wereactuallytryingtoleaveamessageforusinsuchawaythatitwouldn’tgetlostovertime.

PLV:Right.IbelievethattheZodiacwasacryptogram,atimecapsule

messagethatwascreatedtowarnthefuturecivilizationonourplanetaboutthis.

BR:Sothat'swhereyourintellectualjourneystartedbutpresumablyyoucouldn’tsaythisinyourPh.D.thesis.

PLV:Right.Ididn’tincludeanyofthat.Imean,whocares,really,whereyougotyouridea?Thepointisyoumakeanhypothesisandyou’retestingit–istherescientificevidenceforit?–thisisthemainthingfromthescientificstandpointthatyou’reconcernedwith.

KC:So,whatyousayisthatthereisnopoleshift,thatyoudon’tseeevidenceofactual–andmaybeyoucanexplainthistome–butmyunderstandingisyousaythatthereweren’tpoleshiftsatthose26,000-yearperiods,buttherewas,instead,thisgalacticsuperwave,explosion.Oreven13,000or12,000-yearcycles.

PLV:Right.Ibelievethattheclimaticshiftsthatpeoplehave–other,Idon’tknowifyouwanttocallthemscientists–thatothertheoreticianshavesuggestedthatapoleshiftwasinvolvedincreatingaclimaticchange.

Firstofall,therearesomanyshiftsofclimatejustevenduringthe

YoungerDryas,whichwasbetween11,600and13,000yearsago.Youseesomethinglike40majorshiftsofclimatewithinthatcoldperiod,andtosaythatwastoduetoashiftingbackandforthofthepolegetstobealittleabsurd.

BR:Okay.What’syourresponsetotheseriousworkofCharlesHapgoodandRandFlem-AthandColinWilsonwho’sbeenpopularizingtheidea?

Imean,wetendtocallitpoleshifts,butthey’retalkingabout



crustaldisplacement.Iunderstandthatyoudon’tfeelthatthecrustaldisplacementtheoryisvalid,andIwouldbeveryinterestedtohearwhythatis,inyourview.

PLV:Youknow,iftheevidencesupportedit,Iwouldbeforit,butyoujustgototheicecoreevidencetotestthattheory.Forexample,Mr.Flem-AthwastalkingaboutAntarcticabeingsortofupclosertowhereChileisduringtheIceAgeandthatitsuddenlyshifteddowntoitspresentpositionattheendoftheIceAge.

Okay,ifthatwastrue,thenyouwouldexpecttheclimateinAntarcticashouldhavebeenwarmerduringtheIceAgeandyoudon’tseethat.IsenthimsomethinglikefourclimatecurvesfromAntarcticawhichshoweditwascolderduringtheIceAge,fromdifferentpartsofAntarctica.Itdidn’tseemtoswayhim,Iguess.

Butforme,lookingatthatdata,thatrulesoutashiftingofthepoles.

BR:Soanykindofcrustal...

PLV:Plusitwouldhavecausedsloshingoftheoceans,youwould

expect,ifthereweresuchathing.Thenhowcomewedon’tfindsaltwaterdepositsinland?Wedofindflooddepositsbutit’sduetofreshwater,whichI’vesuggestedisduetomeltingoftheicesheets–acatastrophicmelting.

BR:CouldcatastrophicmeltingoftheicesheetsexplainTheGreatFlood?

PLV:Yes.Yes.

BR:Therewasthatmuchwater?

PLV:Yes.It’ssomethingthatdoesn’thappentodaybecausewedon’t

haveicesheets.Wedohaveicecaps.

LikeinIceland,wehavesituationswheretheglacierthereismeltedinacertainareabyavolcanoandcreatessortofareservoirofwaterwhicheventuallyburststhroughadamandpoursdown.Theycallthisaglacierburst.Theseareverysmall-scalecomparedtowhatwashappeningduringtheIceAge.

BR:SoinorderfortheretohavebeenaGreatFloodliketheonedescribedinthemyths,theicesheetwouldhavehadtohavebeenmuchlargerandsealevellowerthanitisatthemomentandtherewouldhavetobeacatastrophicmelting.Yourtheoryisthatthatcouldonly

havebeenproducedbysomehugecosmic-scaleevent,whichyou’recallingasuperwave.Isthatright?

PLV:Itwasmainlythesuninvolved.Thesuperwavetriggeredtheconditionsforthesunbecomingmoreactive.

BR:Okay.

PLV:AlsothecosmicdustaroundtheEarthactuallycreates,insome



cases,awarmingeffectbecauseitcanactuallyscatterlightthatnormallygoesoutintospacebackontotheEarth,andcreatessortofaninterplanetaryhothouseeffect.

BR:Okay.

PLV:ThiswassomethingnotonlygoingonontheEarth,butalsoweseeevidenceonMarsofcanyonsthatappeartohavebeencutbytremendousfloodsofwater.

BR:Yes.

PLV:IbelievethatMarsismostlycoveredbyicesheet.It’ssortoflikeatundra.Thewallsofthecanyonsareactuallyicethatwouldhavemeltedduringsomeoftheseevents.

EspeciallytherearecaseswheretheEarthwasbeinghitbysuper-sizedcoronalmassejections.WehaveevidencefromthemoonofglazedrocksandoneNASAscientistwassuggestingthatthemoonwasexposedtoveryintenseradiationfromthesuntodothis,somethinglike100-timesgreaterluminosityofthesunforatleast100seconds.

InmydissertationIsuggestedthealternative,thatperhapsboththeEarthandmoonhadgottenengulfedinacoronalmassejection,andthatthiswashotenoughtoactuallymeltparticlesonthemoon.

KC:DoesyourtheoryaccommodatethelossofwateronMarsasaresultofasuperwaveactionuponthesun?

PLV:CanyousaymoreaboutthelossofwateronMars?

KC:Well,myunderstandingisthatMarsusedtohavewater,andmaybeevenplentifulwater,andthatatsomepointitdisappeared,andthere

aredifferenttheoriestoexplainthatdisappearance.

PLV:Marsisabouttwokilometersdeepinice.

KC:Rightnow,youmean.

PLV:It’scoveredwithanicesheetfrompoletopole.Youmightfindsomeareaswhereit’smorerock,butforthemostpartit’sice.

Whydoesitlooklikedust,likeadustysurface?BecauseonMarswhenthesunshinesonthisicysurface,theicesublimates,turnsdirectly

togas,andleavesthedustbehind.Soforthefirstfewcentimetersit’sjustdust,butbelowthatiswhatwewouldcallpermafrost.

KC:HasthisbeenvalidatedbytheRover,theMarsRover?

PLV:Yeah,theyhadaRoverthinggoingaroundjustayearagoortwo.

KC:Right.



PLV:Theyhadpicturestheysentbackand,sureenough,therewerechunksofwhitewhichwasreallyicemixedinwiththedirt.Thereasontheyknowthatitwasice,theytookpicturesalittlewhilelaterwhenthesunhadachancetoshineonitandithaddisappeared,evaporated.[laughs]Sothisstuffisjustbelowthesurface.

Infact,theyseegullieswhichlooklikefreshly-formedbyrunningwater,soinsomecasesthisicemelts.Aslongasit’sunderground,there’senoughpressuretomakeitturnintowateranditcanactuallygushoutfromthesidesofsomeofthesecanyonsandcreatetheseravines.

BR:That’sprettyinteresting.

PLV:IwassayingthisaboutMarsbeingcoveredwithpermafrostwayback,andasmoreandmoredatahascomeoutwiththesatellites...They’vebeendoingradarsensing,andtheyfindit’sseveralkilometersorsodeepwithwaterthere.It’snotpurewater--it’smixedwithdustandstuff.

BR:Iwasn’tawareofthat.

PLV:SogoingtoMars,there’snoquestionthatwe’llfindwater.Imean,whereveryouland,allyouhavetodoisgetsomethingtomeltwhateveryoudigup.

BR:Okay.Letmetakeyoubacktotheeventsofeleven,twelvethousandyearsago,whenever.Oneoftheeventsonthelegitimatehistoricalrecord,accordingtoPlato,isthesinkingofAtlantisroundaboutthesametimeasthesemassextinctionsofallthelargemammalsandsoonandsoforth.

IsitpossiblethatasuperwavewouldbeaccompaniedbythekindofgravitywavethatIbelieve,inyourthinking,itdoesn’tcauseacrustaldisplacement,butIthinkyourwordsareitjerkstheplanet

tosuchadegreethatitcancauseseriousimpact,resultinginearthquakesandotherdisasters.

PLV:Yes.Youdon’tneedtoreallyhaveahugedisplacementofthepoletocausemajorseismicdisturbanceontheplanet.

KC:Whataboutamagneticpoleshift?Isthisrelatedatall?

PL:Ibelievethemagneticpoleshiftsareduetothesun’seffectontheEarth.Whathappensthere–Idescribeitinmythesisandarticles–whenacoronalmassejectionarrives,thesolarcosmicrayparticlesgettrappedintheEarth’smagneticfield.Theyproducewhatarecalledstorm-timeradiationbeltsaroundtheEarth.

Theparticlesendupdrifting,theelectronsinonedirection,theprotonsintheother,andthisgenerateswhattheycallaringcurrent–thisisallacceptedgeophysics–andproducesamagneticfieldopposedtotheEarth’sfield.

Theyobservedthisafterthe1956solarprotonevent,whenacoronalmassejection,afairlylargeone,hadhittheEarth.Theyobservedaonepercentdecreaseofthemagneticfieldatthattime.



Soallyouhavetodoisscalethatupahundredtimes,andtherewereinfacteventsthatwerethatlargearoundthetimeoftheextinctionofthemammothsandgroundsloths,andyoudoseecarbon-14spurts.

ThisissomethingI’mabouttopublish.Thisisverynew.I’veactuallylocatedintheicecoretheeventwhenthatsolarcosmicraybursthittheplanet.ThatwouldhavebeenenoughparticleenergytoactuallycancelouttheEarth’smagneticfield.

KC:Soyou’resayingthatthesinkingofAtlantisresultedfromthat?

PLV:No.IhaveatotallydifferentviewoftheAtlantisstory.Ibelieveit’sanallegoricalstory.Idon’tbelieve...andI’vearguedwithpeoplewhoareAtlantisenthusiasts.Theybelievethey’regoingtogooutandfindanislandwithmoatsanddikesaroundit.

Now,that’sthepartinCritias.TheAtlantismythisbrokenintotwoparts,oneinPlato’sBookofCritias,andoneinPlato’sBookofTimaeus.

TheCritiasmythisthecreationofAtlantisandtheTimaeusmythisaboutTheFlood,which,ifyoudatethetimeit’sgiveninPlato’s

myth,itcomestoabout11,600yearsagowheninfacttherewasaveryacceleratedperiodofglacialmelting.Thesealevelwasrisingveryrapidlyatthattime,soyouwerehavingflooding.

IbelievethatintheTimaeusmythAtlantisissymbolizingtheicesheet.Thesinkingsignifiestheicesheetwasmelting.

Asyourememberinthemyth,itwastalkingaboutAtlantisleavingbehindashoalofmud.Whenicemeltsandthefloodssubside,that’swhatyouhave,ashoalofmud.SoineffectAtlantis,theNorthAmericanicesheet,whichisalmostlikeacontinent–theyspeakofitasacontinent–dissipatedandisnowinthewaters,theocean.

InfactinPlato’sbookthisisadiscussionbetweenSolon,therulerofAthens,andapriestinEgypt,atSais,Egypt.Thepriesttellshimthatthesemyths,likethestoryofAtlantisortheconflagrationmythaboutPhaetonandtheSunChariot,wherethesunendedupburningtheEarth,thattheseareallegoricalstories.Thesethingsdidn’treallyhappenthewaythemythsdescribe.

Youhavetoinferthatthisisaparable,lookatitallegorically.Forexample,hereferredtothestoryofPhaeton,thatthisreallyrepresentsastronomicalbodiesintheireffectontheEarth,infact

inthiscasethesun.

KC:Sowhataboutthattheysaythatthemagneticpolesareshiftingnow.Doyouagreewiththat?

PLV:Byhowmucharetheysaying?[laughs]

KC:Well,I’mnotsure.Bill,canyouexplain?Ithinkthey’veactuallysaidthereisanoticeableshiftrecently.



BR:Yeah.Idon’thavethenumbers.Myunderstandingisthatit’srecognizedthattherelookstobeagradualshifthappeningbecauseofaweakness...Thereseemstobeagradualshifthappening.Idon’thavethenumbers.Thatmaymeanthatit’shardforustotalkaboutbutIthoughtthatthatwasrecognized.MaybeI’mwrong.

PLV:Well,theintensityofthemagneticfieldhaschangedovertime.It’svariedupanddownbyabout50percentduringthislastinterglacial,thelast11,000years.Infactit’sbeenweakeningsince2,000yearsago.

Sothat’satrendwhichprobablycouldbecontinuing.Ihaven’tlookedatthesamedatayou’retalkingabout.

KC:Okay.TogetbacktothegalacticsuperwaveanditsimpactonEarth,andwhenitcouldoccur,areyouusingpredictive...sortofreferencingcertainthingsliketheTarot,likeastrology,like,youknow,theIChing,etcetera,topredictthecomingofthesuperwave?

PLV:No.

KC:Okay.Sowhatareyouusing?

PLV:It’sallbasedonscience.Andsomethingwedidn’tgettois:Whatistheevidenceforthepastevent?Ireallydidn’tgetintothat.

KC:Okay.

BR:[unclear]

PLV:Imadeaseriesofpredictionsandonewasif–andthiswasthekeytestthatIperformed,buttherewereothers–wasthatifthishadactuallyoccurred,itwouldhavepushedcosmicdustintothesolarsystemandweshould,therefore,seehigherlevelsatthattime.

SoIdidastudyoficecoresamples.IwassentsomebyLonnieThompsonandIalsogotsomeicedirectlyfromtheIceCoreLaboratoryandprocesseditmyself.

IusedNeutronActivationAnalysis,whichisatechniquewhereyouirradiatethedustthatyoufilteroutfromtheice.Youirradiateitinanuclearreactoranditbecomesradioactiveandyouseewhat’sinit.

Iwaslookingparticularlyfornickelandiridium,which,forexample,

iridiumis10,000timesmoreabundantincosmicmaterialthanitisinthetypicalcrustalmaterial.I,infact,foundpeakswheretheiridiumlevel,forexample,washundredsoftimeshigherthanwhatwenormallygettoday,soitindicatedsomethingwasreallyhappening.

ThiswasadiscoverythatwasassignificantasthediscoveryoftheiridiumpeakattheCretaceous-Tertiaryboundary.

Now,thedifferencethereisyouhadaNobelLaureateintheteam,



alongwiththreeotherswhoweremembersoftheBerkeleyfaculty.Iwaswithamoderately-knownuniversity,PortlandState,butIwasnotinanastronomyprogramorgeologyprogram;Iwasinthesystemsprogram.

Sothiswaspassedoveratthetime.ItwascitedbysomeastronomersintheUK–VictorKlube–forhisowntheory[laughs]actuallybeforemyresultswerepublished,whichtickedmeoffalittle,sayingthatacomethadhittheEartharound14,000yearsago.

Asitturnedout,mydatingwasoffatthattimebecauseicecoresweren’tproperlydatedinthosedays–thiswasintheearly’80s.WhenIfinallyfoundtheproperdatingoftheicesamplesthatIdated,itturnedouttheywerebetween35,000and70,000yearsold,soIwaslookingataperiodintheearly-to-middleIceAgeratherthanthepartIreallywantedtotest.

Actuallytheicewasmissingfromtheicerecordfromthatperiodbecauseithadalreadybeensampled.ThatwasthemostinterestingareathatresearcherswantedtolookatwasattheendoftheIceAge,soevenifIwantedtoIcouldn’thavestudiedthatpart.

KC:Well,howdoyouaccountforthat?

PLV:Whyistheicemissing?Becauseotherresearcherssampledthatveryheavilyandalltheicegotgobbledup.Icamelateinthegame,sotospeak.ThosecoreshadbeenaroundforatleastfiveyearsbeforeIstartedmytests.

KC:Butwhatyou’resayingisinessencethatyoudidprovethefactthattherewasanescalationintheamountofiridium,asyoucalledit.

PLV:Well,itwasthefirsttimeelevatedamountsofcosmicdusthad

beenfoundintheicerecord.Infact,inoneofthesamples,Ifoundhighlevelsofgoldwhichwouldhavebeen,ifitwasamine-abledeposit,youcouldhavemadealotofmoneyinthatsection.

KC:Whenwasthis?

PLV:Thatwasaround50,000yearsback.

KC:Okay.Well,I’mnotsurethisisrelatedatall,butmyunderstanding...Idon’tknowifyougobacktothedaysoftheAnunnakiwhentheysupposedly...youknow,ZechariaSitchin’sworkandthefactthattheyweremininggoldtoputintotheatmosphereoftheirownplanettoprotectitfromthesun’sraysandsoon,theloss

ofatmosphere.Isthereanycorrelationtherebetweenyourfindingalotofgoldinthesamplesthatyouweregetting50,000yearsago?

PLV:Well,goldisalsoanenhancedmaterialincosmicdust.Youfindseveralhundredtoathousandtimesmoregoldinmeteoritesandcosmicdustthanyoudo,typicalofEarthcrustmaterial.SotheEarth,Ibelieve,wasbeingexposedtoincreasedamountsofgolddust.

Infact,goldnuggetscouldcomefromspace.Youhavemythstoriesof



goldmeteors,youknow,wheretheyfindanugget.Infact,thisgoldtendstobeconcentratedatthebottomofgraveldeposits.Wheneverthere’saflood,theheavystuff’sgoingtodepositfirstandsowhateverwascomingdownendedupgettingconcentratedbythesefloodsincertainlayers.

Butanyway,thatwasonevictoryforthehypothesis.Also,Iwasnoticingthatcertainsupernovaexplosions–infactthiswaspartofwhattippedmeoffaboutthesuperwavephenomena–thatitwasn’tjustanexplosionatthecenterofthegalaxy,butsomethingcameoutandwasactuallytriggeringsupernovaexplosionsasitmovedoutfromthecenter.

KC:Oh,okay,soit’sactuallyaffectingstars.

PLV:Itaffectsstars,yes.Starsthatarenearreadytoexplodethatmightbeontheunstablepartoftheirhistory,endupexploding.

Forexample,theVelasupernovaremnantoccurredatthetimewhenthissuperwavewasmovingthroughourarea.TheVelaistheclosestsupernovaremnanttothesolarsystem,that’softheyoungremnants;andthentheCrabNebulawhichwas6,000light-yearsfartheraway,so

itoccurredlater.

It’sdocumentedintheChineserecordsof1054AD,July4th[laughs]asitturnsout.Thatwentoffanditwasseen.

Youhavetofigurethatittakestimeforthelighttocometous,soit’slike6,500light-yearsawayinthedirectionoppositetothegalacticcenter.Soyouhavetoallowabout6,500yearsforthesuperwavetogetoutthere,thenittriggersthis,andthere’sanother6,500orsoyears.That’swhywesawitmorerecently.

WhenIplottedthenewsupernovaremnants,Ifoundthattheytendtolineuponthiseventhorizon,asIcallit.It’sactuallyan

ellipsoidalhorizonwhenyouplotitoutwiththeEarthatonefocusandthegalacticcenterattheother.

Thereasonforthat–whyisn’titasphere?Becauseifyouthinkofthis,actuallythesuperwavetravelsoutasasphere,ashell,butforus,wehavetoallowfortimefortheradiationtoreachus.Soifthesecosmicrayelectronsaregeneratingradiowavesatsomestarsystem,youhavetoallowtimeforthatradiationtoreachus.Whatyouseeisthatthere’sashellofradioradiationouttherethatwe’reinsideofthat’sbeinggeneratedbythesesuperwavecosmicraysastheygooutandtheyinteractwithmagneticfieldsandsoon.

Whenyouplotthatonagraph,thatmodelfitslikeaglovetowhat’scalledacosmicradiobackgroundradiation,whichisacknowledgedthatit’sproducedbycosmicrays,butscientistsdidn’treallyhaveagoodexplanationofwhyit’sthere.Youknow,theyweresuggesting:Well,maybethesesupernovaexplosionsgooutandcontribute.Thesuperwavemodelpredictionfitbetterthananythingthathadbeenpublishedbefore.

BR:Isthatthesamebackgroundradiationthatmostcosmologists



believeisevidenceofTheBigBang?

PLV:No.That’sthemicrowavebackgroundyou’retalkingabout.Thisisthegalacticradiobackground.

BR:Okay.

PLV:Andmorerecentlytheyfoundthere’salsoagalacticgamma-raybackgroundwhichisadiffuseemissionandtheycan’texplainwhyitisdiffuse.Theywouldexpectifitwasduetostars,youshouldseeclumpshereandthereofgamma-rays.Instead,it’sverydiffuse.Andagain,Ibelievethat’sduetotheshellofcosmicraysgoingout.

Thethingisthatmostoftheenergyfromthesuperwaveendsupbeingdirectedoutwardfromthegalacticcenter,soonceitpassesyou,youdon’tseeitveryeasily.Thisradiationthatwe’reseeing,thatastronomersreport,isonlywhenthecosmicraysendupgettingcaughtinamagneticfieldandtheyturntheirsearchlightstowardsus.

Inotherwords,they’rebeamingthatenergy,thatradioemission,outwardinthedirectionthey’retraveling,butiftheygetcaughtandturnedaround,we’llseesomeofthat.Butthat’sasmallfractionofthosecosmicrays.Weareveryawarewhenit’shappening.Whenit

arrivessuddenly,youknow,we’regoingtoseeabluish-whitestarintheskysimilartowhattheHopistalkaboutandwe’llseealotofactivityofsortofaurora-likethingsaroundtheheliopause,thatshellaroundthesolarsystem.We’llseeauroralactivityinourownmagneticfield.

KC:WhatabouttheeffectsonDNA?Haveyoupositedanypossibleeffects?

PLV:Well,ifyoufigurethelevelswe’retalkingabout...becauseyoucan’tpostulatetoogreatcosmicrayintensitiesbecauseotherwise,ifthatwasthecase,thesurfaceoftheEarthwouldberadioactive,like

you’dhavehugecarbon-14levels.InfactthatwasarestrictionthatIhadtoputintomymodel.

Lookingatthelevelsthatarereasonable,youwould’vehadaslightincreaseofmutationrate,maybeadoublingortriplingmutationrateatthattime.

However,it’snotreallythesuperwavecosmicraysthatareofmostconcern.It’stheonesfromthesun,becauseoncethesun...thisisonlyinthecaseofverylong-lastingsuperwaveswherethedusthascomeinandsurroundedthesunlongenoughtoaggravateitintowhatwecallaTTauristar.Becauseweseestarssimilartooursunthatareindustcocoonsthatareveryactiveandspewingoutcoronalmass

ejectionsandsupersolarflares.

Sooncethesungoesintothatphase,andoneoftheseverylargeevents–likeextinction-levelevents–hitstheEarth,thennotonlyareyoudealingwithmajormutationalchange,butalsopossibledeathifyouhappentobecaughtoutsidewhenthishappens.

Andit’sinteresting,geologistshavefoundaconnectionbetweenextinctionsandmagneticreversals,andtheycouldn’treallyunderstandwhyistherethisconnection.IftheEarth’sfieldwentto



zero,you’dgetmaybeadoublingofthecosmicraybackgroundontheEarth,sothatwouldn’tbeenoughtocauseanextinction;maybeitwouldacceleratealittlethemutationrate.

Butifbothwereduetoacoronalmassejectionfromthesun–itwasanextinction-levelevent–thatwouldexplainit.Sothey’rebothduetoathirdcauseinthatcase;they’renotdirectlycausallyrelated.

BR:Itsoundsverycompelling,certainlytothedegreethatwecantalkwithyouaboutthisonanon-scientificlevel,asitwere,butwhatmeasureofsupportandinteresthaveyouhadfromthemainstreamscientificcommunity?PLV:I’vebeen,forexample,totheGalaxyandSolarSystemConferenceandtherewasalsotheLunarandPlanetaryScienceConferenceinHoustonwhereIgaveaposterpaper.IstoodinfrontofaboardwhereIhadthewholethinglaidoutandexplainedtopeoplewhowouldcomeupanddidtalkwithsomefairlyhigh-levelcosmicrayastrophysicistswhofoundthewholeideaveryplausible.

Ihaven’thadanyonepublishapaperagainstthetheory.IwashopingsomebodywouldbecauseIwouldhavenailedtheirearstothewall.[laughs]Ifeeltheevidenceissostrongtosupportit.

Basically,ingeneral,whyaren’ttheyallcomingonthebandwagon?

Well,it’samajorchangeoftheparadigm.Theparadigmisthateverythingiscalmoutthere;wedon’thaveanythingtoworryabout;youdon’twanttogetintocatastrophismbecausethatmakesyouemotional;emotionsshouldn’tbeinscience;weshouldn’tbescaredwhenwedoscience.

Idon’treallygetscaredbythis;I’mjuststudyingthepast.It’ssomething,youknow...You’reconcerned,it’ssomethingweshouldknowabout,aboutourfuture.Butsciencehastraditionallystayedawayfromtheseareas,anythingdealingwithcatastrophism.IfyoulookatalltheflackthatthegroupfromBerkeleygotwhentheymadeadiscoveryaboutthedinosaursbeinghitwithacometorasteroid...theywereattackedbymanypeople,manygeologistswhofeltthatwe

shouldonlydogeologybasedonwhat’shappeningontheEarth:volcanoes,thissortofthing.

Andthatwassomething65millionyearsago.NowyoucanimaginewhatI’mtalkingabout,just13,000yearsago–or16,000–it’swithintherealmofthehumanraceandsopeoplearemorefearfultojoin.They’rewondering:Well,ifIwriteinsupportofhistheory,what’retheconsequencesforme?

ButIhavehadmypapercited,thatIpublished.Ipublishedinrefereedjournals,inseveralwell-known,inMonthlyNotices,inAstrophysicsandSpaceScience,tonameafew;EOS,whichismoreofa

scientificnewsletter.

KC:Aren'tyoudealingwith,also–Imean,thisgalacticsuperwave,you’realsodealingwiththiskineticphysics?

PLV:SubquantumKinetics?

KC:SubquantumKinetics,asbeingpartofthisgalacticsuperwavetheoryinsomeway,form,orfashion.Ifyou’retalkingaboutsubquantumphysics,you’realsotalkingaboutwhatistheaethermade



of,suchthatthegalacticsuperwavewillimpactorcreate...howitimpactsspaceandhowitimpacts...

PLV:Well,aether’sacontroversialtopicwhich,indeed,SubquantumKineticsisanaethertheory.Butyoudon’thavetobringthatinforthissuperwavephenomenon.Thesuperwavephenomenoncanbebasedtotallyinthecurrentviewofphysics,prettymuch.

KC:Iunderstandthat,butI’minterestedbecauseyouobviouslyarethinkingaboutboththings,thattheremustbesomekindofplacewheretheylinkupinyourownmind,intheory.

PLV:Well,itwasreallymyworkinSubquantumKineticsthatbroughtmetothediscoveryofthesuperwavephenomenon.That’sthroughalongpath.[laughs]

KC:Canyouexplainthatinsortofeasytermstounderstand,atall?

PLV:Well,IhadbeendevelopingSubquantumKineticsformanyyears.I’dbasicallywrittenuptheearlypaperswhichIwasatthepointofreadytosubmit.Ihadalreadysubmittedtoafewjournals.

Atthesametime,inthemeanwhile,Iwasstudyingancientlore.Backin1975IhaddiscoveredthattheTarotencodesconceptsverysimilar

towhatIwastalkingaboutinthephysics.IdidtakeaclassinCambridge,Massachusetts,ontheTarotandastheteacherwasgoing,eachArcanum...

Now,theTarotisasetof22cardsthatareusedinfortune-telling,buttheydatebacktotheMiddleAgesfromtheGypsies.TheearliestdecksareattributedtotheGypsies,whichhadmigratedfromIndiathroughEgypt.EsotericscholarsbelievethattheyhadpickeduptheconceptsfromtheEgyptianpriests,priortothecollapseofthepriesthood.

IntheveryearlydaysofthekingdomsofEgypt[when]thepriestswereinpower,theyhadanindoctrinationintothisancientscience

thatexplainedhowtheuniversewascreated.Thattheseconcepts–atthattimetheywerefrescoesonthewallofthechamberthatthenewpriestswerebroughtinandtaughtthemeanings–thatthesewerelaterputintotheTarotdeck.

KC:CanyoutraceoneofthoseparticularscientificconceptsasdepictedintheTarotandhowthatrelatestokinetic...

PLV:SubquantumKinetics?Well,SubquantumKineticsisbasedonprocess.It’stheideaof...It’salchemicalaether,basically.It’sanaetherthat’snotstaticlikethe19thcenturyaetherthatphysicsgrewoutof,butonemorelike,closertoHeraclitus’concept.HewasanancientGreekphilosopherwhosaidthatallisprocess.

Theclosestistothinkofthe...

KC:Isn'tthatlikesaying:allismotion?Aren’tyoutalkingabouteverythingbeinginmotion?

PLV:That’sclosetotheideabuthereit’smoreareaction.Thereismotion,justlikeyouhaveinachemicalsolution.Youhavemoleculesdiffusingfromoneplacetoanotherplace,butthey’realsoreacting.



Basicallyit’sthesameunderstandingyouhaveforhowyourownbodyworks.Howisitthatthestructureofourbodyismadefromthereactionsanddiffusionsofchemicals?

Sothisisaveryorganicconcept.It’smorelikeclosetotheorganicideasofStarWars,ofTheForce,veryclose,thatthegalaxy’sboundtogether.Theuniversebeingboundtogetherbyafabric,anorganicfabric.It’ssortoflikeeverypartofspacethat’setherisaffectingeveryotherpartofspace.

KC:Okay.AndifIcalledit“energy,”wouldthatbethesamething?

PLV:Idon’tuse“energy”becauseIsavethatforElectroMagneticwaves.It’senergy-likebutyoucan’tspeakofenergyatthesubquantumlevel.

KC:Oh,Isee.

PLV:It’ssome...There’saprimemover,somethingthatmovesthisreactionforward.It’suni-directional.It’ssortoflikethedirectionofTimeinthebigsense,capitalT,movingforward.

KC:Wehaveasecretwitnessthatalsotalksabouthe'stappingintowhathecallstheinformationfield.Andwhenwesaid:Isthatthe

sameastheconsciousnessfield?Hewouldsay:No,becausehethinkstheconsciousnessfieldis,youknow,isindividual-basedwhereasthisthinghe’scallingtheinformationfieldwouldencompasseverything.

Isthereanykindofwayyoucouldhaveadialogueaboutthat,becausethisgetstosignalnon-locality,forexample,ifyou’refamiliarwiththat.

PLV:Myviewisthattoexplainwhat’sherewehavetopostulatehigherdimensionsandafluxofaetherthatwecannotdirectlymeasure

butonlyhypothesize.Thewayyouknowit’sthere,thereareexperimentsthatyoucandothatshowsthatthereisanabsolutereferenceframe,thatRelativityiswrong.Igivemanyexperimentsinmybook.

Infact,thegeopositioningsystemthatthemilitaryusesisbasedontheideathatlightgoesfasterinthedirectionoftheEarth’srotationthantheoppositedirection.Iftheydidn’tacceptthat,whichisanti-relativistic,theywouldnotlocatepeoplethatareforcesontheEarth;theywouldmaybebombthewrongembassy.[laughs]

KC:Okay.Soifyoucouldexplainintermsof,Idon’tknowifyoucandothis,butintermsofyoursubatomicmodel,howcanyouexplainthattousonthebasisofanexperiment?

PLV:Well,there’swhat’scalledchemicalwaves.AtthetimeIwasgettingtheideaforSubquantumKineticsthey’djustpublishedworkontheBelousov-Zhabotinskiireaction,whichisachemicalreactionwhereyouputsomedyesintherethatchangefromredtoblue,dependingonthestateofthereaction.Andthere’samolecule,cerium,whichcan



gobetweentwovalencestates.

Asthereactionchurnsforward,cerium,inonegivenplaceandspace,oscillates.Theycallitchemicalclocks.

Soifyoustirthisupwithalittlestirrer,yourreactionwillchangefromredtobluejustlikeaclockandtheycallitthechemicalclock.Butifyouleaveitunstirredandcalm,itwillformlittlewavepatternssortoflikeabull’s-eyepatternwith,let’ssay,abluecenterandaredring,andthenabluering,andsoon,aneffectlike...

KC:Meaningaspiral?

PLV:No.Actualconcentricrings,likeAtlantis?[laughs]Inmybook,GenesisoftheCosmos,IsuggestthattheAtlantismythisactuallythey’redescribingasubatomicparticle,basedonthisnewphysics.

Now,understandthatmytheorycameoutofsystemstheory.ItwasonlylaterIsawtheconnectionwiththeancientsciencethatwasbeingdiscussedsymbolically.

Butgettingbacktothereaction,thiswouldberedandbluewaves.Theybecomespiralwaves.Infact,theywereonthecoverofthismagazine,spiralwaves,becausethey’remoreartisticallyappealingsothat’swhytheyconcentratedaboutspiralwaves.Butthathappensonlywhenyougivealittlemechanicaldisturbancesothattheringsreconnecttoformaspiral.

KC:Isee.Uh-huh.So,howdoesthis...?

PLV:Well,howdoesthisrelate?Ithought:Well,thisisaninterestingmodelforsubatomicparticles.IwasreadingEinstein’streatiseinScientificAmerican.Hewastalkingabouthisdifficultyinunifyingelectromagnetismandgravitation.

Inthereittalkedabouthisviewthattherewerenosuchthingsassingularities,whichwouldmeanEinsteinhimselfwouldbeagainsttheBlackHoleTheory.Hisreasonwasitwoulddisruptthespace-timefabric,whichhebelievedshouldbecontinuous.

Hebelievedparticleswereplacesofbunchedenergy,sotospeak,andIwassaying:Well,here,thisislookinglikeabunchingherewhereyouhaveacorewiththiswavepatternaroundsothecoreisreallyahighconcentrationofacertainelement.

AndIwassaying:Insteadofworkingwithmoleculeslikeyoudoinchemistry,let’scomeupwithanewname:Aetherance[spelling

unclear;pronouncesitether-ahns]Iinitiallycalleditsub-physicalunits,butlaterIsaid:Whattheheck.Goalltheway.[laughs]Let’sforgetaboutthetaboos.Theaetherisanancientconceptandpeopleweren’tafraidofusingit.

Ifyoulookattherealexperimentalevidenceandstopregardingscienceasareligion...Youknow,itisveryreligious,insomeways,inthesensethatexistingphysicistsreligiouslybelieveintheirtheoriestothepointofignoringtheevidenceagainstthem.



Soyoucanimaginethissoupof‘etherance’ofdifferenttypes:A,B,C,D,andsoon,reactingaccordingtocertainrecipes.WhatIdidwascomeupwithasetofreactionswhichIbelievedwerephysicallyrealistic.

Inotherwords,theycreatedphysically-realisticparticlesthatproducedelectricandgravitationalfieldsjustlikeregularmatterthatwouldobeytheclassicallawsofelectrostaticsandgravitationthatwouldbind–havenuclearbonding–andalsohavespincharacteristics.Thatmadecertainpredictions,astronomicalpredictions,onebeingthatlightwaves,thattheirenergyshouldnotbeconstantbut,overgreatdistancesofgoingthroughintergalacticspace,theyshouldloseenergy–inotherwords,redshift.KC:Dothey?

PLV:Theydo.That’swhat’scalledthecosmologicalredshift,wherescientistshaveinterpretedacosmologicalredshiftasanactualvelocityeffectduetoarecessionofagalaxy.Inotherwords,ifthegalaxymovesaway,itwouldcausethiseffect,whichisaverymechanical,mechanisticinterpretation.

TheTiredLightTheory,asit’scalled–theideathatlightwavesloseenergyastheytravel–wasproposedaboutthesametimeasthisothertheory.Butthethingwas,theydidn’thaveareasonforittooccur,anotherwaytointerpretit,andthemoremechanisticwasmoreeasilygrasped,andsotheywentwiththat.That’swhywehavetheexpandinguniversetheorytoday.

IwroteapaperfortheAstrophysicalJournalin1986,whichisthetopjournalinastrophysics–it’sthesameonethatHubblepublishedin,theastronomertheyattributetheexpandinguniverseto–andshowedthat,ifyoulookatthedataandcomparetheexpandinguniversemodeltothestationaryuniversemodel,withTiredLightEffectinsteadofmotionaleffect,youfindthattheTiredLightmodel

alwayscomesclosertoyourdata.

Ididitonfourtests,andthereasonIdiditonfourtestsisthatwhenyouadjustyourmodel–becauseBigBangtheoristsareadjustingtheirmodeltofitthedatabecauseitneverfitsthedata.Soiftheywanttoadjusttheirmodel,it’sfinewithme,buttheyhavetobeconsistentinwhatareitseffectsontheseothertests.

Andyoufindthattheirmodelendsupgettingpushedfurtherfromthedataassoonastheytrytoadjustithere.That’swhythey’llalwayspublishononetestandnotonfoursimultaneously.

KC:Okay,you’retalkingaboutTiredLight.Howdoesthisrelatetoyourtheoryofkinetics–subquantumphysics?

PLV:Well,that’soneofthepredictionsthatcameoutofSubquantumKinetics.ThatwasatestablepredictionandIwentaheadandtesteditbylookingatthedatatoseediditsupportitorwastheBigBangTheorycorrect?Because,atthattime,Iwasjustlikeeveryoneelse,believingintheBigBangTheory,butIwantedtogivethisachance,



andyouknow,slowlyIrealized:MyGod!SubquantumKineticsisrightandallthisotherstuffisbaloneythatthey’vebeenteaching.

KC:Sowhathappens?TiredLightmeansyou’retalkingaboutenergydissipating,right?Orchangingform?PLV:Actually,inSubquantumKinetics,theenergyactuallyleavesthephysicaluniverseinthesensethatthewavejustdiminishesinamplitude.EnergyisnotaconstantinSubquantumKinetics.Why?BecauseSubquantumKineticsproposesthatthephysicaluniversebehaveslikeanopensystem.

Whatisanopensystem?It’slike...we’reanopensystem,biologicalorganism.Wemusteat,haveinputandoutput;wemustbreathe,wetakeinoxygenandgiveoutcarbondioxide.Ifthoseprocessescease,wedie.

Thesamewiththechemicalreactionmodel,thechemicalwaves.Youonlyseethewavesaslongasthechemicalreactionsaretakingplace.Assoonastheyuseupthefoodchemicalsandtheygotoequilibrium,thewavesdisappear,dematerialize,sotospeak.

Sothesameforthisphysics–thephysicaluniversewoulddematerializeifthisflux,whichweshouldallbethankfulforinmy

opinion,weretoeverdiminishorcease.

KC:Wellthen,betweendimensions...Imean,Idon’tknowifthisisrelated,but,intheory,betweendimensions,then,that’sexactlywhatmusthappen.Inordertodematerializeandmovebetweendimensionsthatenergyhastodissipate,orcomedowntozero,sothatyoucanmovetothenext[dimension],becauseifitdematerializesitgoesintoanotherdimension.

PLV:Okay,you’retalkingaboutaphysicalbeing,likeahumanbeing,wantingto...

KC:Maybe.

PLV:You'retalkingaboutthesoul?

KC:Well,actually,whatI’mthinkingaboutistheabilityforevenghostsorETstogothroughwalls.Andnowwe’reactuallyseeingmoviesinwhich,youknow,thePowersThatBehavecreated–andIdon’tknowhowtheydoit–buttheycreatetechniquesbywhichyoucanchangethecompositionofawallsuchthatyoucangothroughit.

PLV:Yes.Thisissomethingthat’spossible...

KC:Thismodelworksonthesubatomiclevelthatyou’retalkingabout.

PLV:Subquantum.

KC:Okay,wellthenithastoworkallthewayup.Right?Tothefactthatyougettothelargerparticles,bodies...

PLV:Yeah.WithSubquantumKinetics,youcanexplaindematerializationandre-materialization.Thisissomethingthat’seasilydone.



KC:Okay.

PLV:Itinvolvesachangeofthegravitypotential.Ifyouweretoincreasethegravitypotentialenough,anobjectwoulddematerialize.Oratfirstitwouldbecomeinvisiblewhichmeansifyoulookata...

KC:Changethegravitysuchthatitbecomeheavierorlighter?

PLV:Itwouldbelighter.

KC:Okay.

PLV:Likethesunisinagravitywell.Thesunisinaverymaterializedstate.[laughs]Ifweweretogooutintospacewayfarfromthegalaxy,becausethegalaxyitselfisinagravitywell,wewouldgointotheareawhereIwassayingphotonsloseenergy,thisTiredLightEffect.Everythingtherewouldtendtowardsahomogeneousstate[and]wouldtendtodematerialize.

Iftheoppositeeffectiswithinthegalaxy,insteadofhavinglightlosingenergy,itgainsenergyhere.It’stheopposite,andyouhaveblueshiftingoflight.Infact,Imadeaprediction.IcalledupJPLin1980.Isaid:Haveyouseenanythingwithyoursignalstoyourspacecraft,microwavesignals,maybeaslightblueshiftingofthe

signal?

[They]said:Well,no.Wehaven’treallylookedforsuchathing.

[I]said:Well,keepaneyeopen,seewhatyousee,becauseifso,itwouldsupportmytheory.

Sorightaboutsevenyearslaterorso,eightyearslater,theystartnoticing...Oh,bytheway,Ipublishedthisin1985asatestofmytheorythatifyoudidatest,sendingamicrowavesignalfromEarthtoJupiter,toaspacecraftinJupiter,andrelayeditback,you’dfindtheenergywasslightlyhigher.AndIsaid:Howmuch?Becausemytheorywouldpredictwhatthatamountofincreasewouldbe.

Well,aboutsevenoreightyearslater,theystartnoticingsomethingisalittlepeculiarinourdata,it’sbecomingblueshifted;it’sasifthere’saforcepushingthespacecrafttowardsthesun.

Theyfinallypublishedthisin1998anditbecameknownasThePioneerEffect.Thentheypublishedfurtherinformationfouryearslater.

Now,therehavebeenthousands,literallythousandsofpaperswrittenbyphysicistsaboutthePioneerEffect,tryingtoexplainit,whatitis.There’sonlyonepaperpublishedbeforeitwasdiscoveredthatpredictedit,andthatwasinmypublicationofSubquantumKinetics.

Itwaspublishedin1985intheInternationalJournalofGeneralSystems.

KC:SodidJPLcomefindyouwhenyouwereprovencorrect?

PLV:IsentacopyofmybookmarkedwhereImadetheprediction.Iactuallytookapictureoftheoriginaljournalandmarkedwhereitwasstated,andalsosentacopyofmybookwhichfurtherexplained,totheheadmanonthatpublicationteamatJPL.



Basicallyitwasignored.Hedidn’tevensendmeapreprintofhispaperthatIrequested.SoallIhadwasthenewsannouncement.Henevertoldme,youknow:Well,it’sgoingtobepublishedinthisjournalonthispage.Henevertoldmethat.AndIwasnevermentionedfouryearslaterinafollow-uppaper.

So,youknow,myexperienceisthattheaveragephysicistorNASAscientistorastronomerisacowboy.He’sinterestedinhisowntheories,notinyours.Ifheconfirmedyours...he’snotinterested.[laughs]That’sthewayitworks.

BR:Yeah.It'sworkedlikethatforalongtime.

KC:Okay,buttheimplicationsofwhatyoudiscoveredcouldpointtotherealityofotherdimensions.Asyousay,dematerialization.Actually,youmaybeontheroadtoexplaininghowotherdimensionscouldexist.

PLV:Right.SubquantumKineticsisaUnifiedFieldTheory.Itexplainsalltheforcesthatunifiedfieldtheoriesdealwith,anditfitstogetherlikeaSwisswatch.Relativityeffectscomeoutofitascorollaries;youdon’thavetopostulateadhoclikeEinsteinwas

saying.

Therearenowtwelvepredictionsthatwerepreviouslypublishedthatsaidthingsentirelydifferentfromwhatphysicistsweresaying,thatwerelaterverifiedbyobservation.So,certainthingsithaspredicatedwereconfirmed,andIdon’tknowofanythingthat’ssaidsofarthat’sbeendisproved.

Itgivesyoualotofencouragementtobelievethatwe’vegotsomethinghere.Plusthefact,lookingatGeneralRelativity,ithadonlythreepredictionsthatwereconfirmed.Nowwe’redealingherewithtwelve.

Plus,youfindthatancientcivilizationshadthisphysics.Theywenttoalotoftroubletoencodeitinsomeoftheirmostimportantcreationmythsthathistorianshavewrittenabout.It’sevenencodedintheZodiaceventhoughtheZodiacisusedforhoroscopes.

Oneofthemaintechnologiesusedinfieldpropulsion,thisexoticpropulsionthat’sdevelopedinblackprojects.Infact,theB2bomber,IdiscussedinmyrecentbookSecretsofAntigravityPropulsion.IexplainhowtheB2bomberusesBrown’sresearchandpatents.Basicallyit’sbasedonhisideas.

SowithSubquantumKinetics,it’snotjustexplainingBrown’sworkbutawholehostofothertechnologies,too,likeJohnSurrell’s[sp

unknown]technology[or]EugenePodkletnov’sgravityimpulsebeamwhich,he'sabletoproducegravityimpulsesfromelectricshockdischargeswhicharegravityimpulsescollimated,cangoforkilometersandkilometersstayingtogether.

Andhe’sfounditactuallytravelssuperluminally.Sothiscouldbethecenterpieceofasuperluminalpropulsionengine.

FromwhatI’veseen,I’veseenactualdemonstrationsofsuperluminalshockpropagationinthelaboratory–GuyObolensky’swork.Andwith



thistechnologyofPodkletnov’s,Iwouldsayit’spossibletodosuperluminalspacetravel,whichcompletelychangesouroutlookofinterstellarcommunicationandinteractionwithotherbeings.Itispossiblethattheycouldactuallytravelhere.

AnotherthingthatcomesoutofSubquantumKineticsisitcompletelychangeswhatwethinkispossibleforenergy,andyoufindthesetechnologieswherethey’regettingenergyoutofwaterlikeJohnEckel’spatentthatthey’redevelopingintheUK.Theysaythey’llhaveahotwaterheateroutinthenextyear-and-a-halforso.

OrRandellMills’inventionproducedbyBlackLightPowercompany.He’sgotsomethinglike20oftheseprototypesbeingtestedthathebelieveswillproduce50kilowattsofpowerforyouraveragehouse.

TheseareexplainedbySubquantumKineticsbecauseSubquantumKineticsleadstoarevisionofquantummechanics.There’saflawinquantummechanics.Eventhoughquantummechanicsisworkable,themodelisincorrect;thewave-packetmodelisincorrectlyformulated.

WhenyougototheSubquantumKineticsversion,yougetthesameresults.Itexplainsexperimentswiththesamemathematics,essentially,butitallowsthepossibilityforground-statesinthe

hydrogenatomthataremorelevelsofenergyinthehydrogenatom.Itallowsthehydrogenelectrontojumpdownandreleaseenergythatwethoughtwouldn’tbethere.That’swhatthesevariousscientistshavetappedintowiththeirinventions.

SoSubquantumKineticsleadstothedevelopmentofalotofnewenergysourcesthatwouldbeconsideredalternativeenergy.

BR:It’shardtounderstandwhyotherquantumphysicistshaven’tpickedupyourworkwithalotofenthusiasm.What’syourexplanationforthis?Isitbecauseit’stoobigascope,orit’stoogrand[unclear]?

PLV:It’sthat.It’stoobigashift.Newtheoriesarepickedupifyou’renotchangingthebasicstructure,thebasicparadigm.Ifit’sanewideawithintheexistingparadigm,itwillbeveryquicklypickedupifit’sgoingtoexplainthingsbetter.

I’mtalkingaboutbasicallywipingtheslatecleanasfarastheoriesgo,mosttheories,mostmoderntheories.Youcankeepsomeoftheclassicequations,Newton’sequationsandsoon.But...

BR:Maxwell’sequations?

PLV:Well,Maxwell’s...no.Itevenrevisesthat.Youhavetolookat

Maxwell’sequationsasamodelofaphenomenon;itexplainselectromagneticwavepropagationinadifferentway.

Foronething,Maxwell’sequations,atleasttheacceptedversion,haveenergybeingconserved.Itmeansthatenergyofaphotoncanneitherincrease,nordecrease,whereashere,asweweresayingearlier,overgreatdistancesyouwillseeachange.

Thereareasetofprincipleswhichareconsideredsacredinphysics.OneistheFirstLawofThermodynamics,thisideathatenergycannot



bechanged,onlyconverted.

KC:Andyou’rechangingthatlaw,really,areyounot?

PLV:Right.AndIcanshowtechnologieswhichyoucanperforminyourbackyardgaragewhichshowaviolationofenergyconservation.

SomeoftheseelectrostaticthrusterslikeJean-LouisNaudinhasonhiswebsite–someLaForguethrusters–they’rebasicallyasymmetricalcapacitorsthathe’sgotinapinwheelarrangement.Whenyoucalculatehowmuchenergyhe’sputtingintodrivethatpinwheel,it’salotlessthanthemotionhe’sgettingoutofit.He’sgettingoutaboutthreetimesmoremotionalenergythantheelectric...

BR:Ithastobeanopensystem,togobacktowhatyouweresayingbefore.

PLV:Theuniverse.Yeah.Assoonasyouviewtheuniverseasanopensystem,youhavetorealizethatenergy’snotnecessarilyconserved.Prettymuchallsystemtheoristswillagreewithyou.Ifyourphysicsispostulatinganopensystemfortheuniverse,thenyoudohavethepossibilityofmatterorenergyincreasingordecreasinginamountinaphysicaluniverse.

Thethingisthatthisislikejustasmallshadowonthe...sortofanepiphenomenonofthisvastfluxthat’sgoingonbelowthelevelofobservation,sothat’swhereyourrealenergy...It’snotenergy,it’saction.Inotherwords,justforthistable,thisstool,orchairtobethererequiresanenormousexpenditureofaction,subquantumflux,whichistotallyinvisibletousandweonlyinferthatit’stherethroughaseriesofconceptualmodelsandunderstandings.

BR:Areyouabletotheoreticallypredictthephysicsbehindanoverunityengineasaresultofthis?Canyoupredicthowtodesignonebeforeyoustarttinkeringinyourgaragewiththis?

PLV:Itcouldleadtosomepredictionsofthatsort,butthewayit’s

generallyworkedwithmeisI’vereadaboutpeople’sworkinthisareaandfindthatIcanexplainwhatthey’refindingwithSubquantumKinetics.

BR:Okay,yeah.Sorry,perhapsIdidn’tformmyquestionintherightway.WhatIreallymeantwas,fromyourtheoreticalunderstanding,couldyoupredictwhichengineeringapproachesaremorelikelytobesuccessful?

PLV:Yeah.Ithinkso.Yeah.Ithinkthatwiththisphysics,youcanexplainalotofthetechnologiesthey’redevelopingintheBlackProjectsforfieldpropulsion.Iwouldn’tbesurprisedifalotofmyreadersareintheBlackProjects.Iwouldhavenowayofknowing,

but...

KC:[laughs]Yeah,that’swhatIwasthinking.

PLV:Theywereactuallyworkingonaethertheoriesinthe’50stoexplainelectrogravitics.TownsendBrownwasdevelopinganaethertheory.TheywereworkingononeatDouglasAircraftwhich,apparently,theyditchedanditeventuallywasdeclassifiedsomehow.Maybeitwasjustsomenotesthatsomebodyhadthatweresupposedtobeclassified,buttheywereleakedout.



FromconversationsI’vehadwithsomeBlackProjectsengineerswhoacknowledgedthat,tothem,theaetherisreal,thattheyrealizethefaultsofRelativity.Whentheyrecruit,theypreferthatthepeoplethey’rerecruitinghaven’thadtheirmindspollutedwithcurrentphysics.Theytrytogetthematanearlyage.

BR:That’sexactlywhatwe’dheardisthatthey'vegotsomevery,verybright,astuteminds.

KC:Yeah.

PLv:Andit’sactuallytotheadvantageofkeepingthesecrecythattheywouldseeit’sgoodforthemtokeepteachingthebaloneyintheuniversitiesthattheyrealizeiswrongbecausewhatthey’redoingisimpossibleinthatframeofmind,andit’sverydifficultforpeopletogetoutofthat.It’ssortoflikeaskingthegoldfishtodischargeitstankofwater.It’snotgoingtowanttodothatveryeasily.

BR:Oh,sure.Butitmustbeimmenselypersonallyfrustratingforyoutoconsiderthepossibilitythatyourworkmaywell,notonlybecorrect,butbetakentolevelswhichyou’dlovetobeinon.Andyetyou’relockedoutofthisbecausemaybethey’reconsideringtheydon’tneedyou,theyunderstanditalready.That’sthekindofexpediency

thattheywould...

PLV:I’veactuallybeaskedtoparticipateinoneprojectthatwasbeingformed,gottenofftheground,butIsawthatitwasgoingtobesecreteventhoughtheywereintendingittoeventuallybeopen,butyouneverreallycanbesurewhatwillbetheresult.[laughs]

KC:Sowhydidyoustandbackfromthat?Whatwasyourmotivation?

BR:Iguessthere'stheriskofbeinglockedinonthewrongsideofthedoor.

PLV:Yeah,whenyoustartworkinginsecrecy,youfeelalittlestifled.

KC:Areyouthatrarething,a“ScientistwithaConscience?”Isthatwhy?

PLV:Iguessyou’dsayso.Yeah.

KC:Andisthataresultofyourparents’influence,wouldyousay,tosomedegree,orsomethingelse?

PLV:Ohyeah.Iwouldsaythat’spartofit.Youknow,it’sjustme,Iguess.Myinterestisinhelpinghumanity.I’minterestedinthetruth

andnotlivinginsomedream,somebeliefsystemthatotherpeoplearetellingyouanditdoesn’tfitthedata.

KC:Alsotheelite,inotherwords,theelitismaroundusingtechnologyorusingthetruthonlyforacertaingroupofpeople,perhaps,isgoingagainstthegrain?

PLV:Yeah.Thethingis,whoiscontrollingtheBlackProjects?Assoonasthey’reblack,Imean,they’renotevenacknowledgedby



Congressorwhatevergovernmenthasthem.Somebody’spullingthestringsandtherearesomepeoplethatsuggesttheyaren’tevenfromEarth,ifyoubelieve...

KC:Now,canwegetbackto...Imean,youdidsaythatyouhadsomekindofcontactexperiencethataffectedyou.Areyouabletodescribethatinsomedetailtous?

PLV:Well,itwasbasicallyaninnerexperienceIhadwhenIwasatJohnsHopkinsinmyjunioryear.Ifeltthatitwasinformationcomingintome.

Iwasinacertainmentalstate;Ifelttherewereintelligencesfromtheplantkingdom.Ifelttheywereterrestrial,thatthetreesweretalkingtome–thevegetationkingdomofEarth–thatwasconcernedaboutthewayweweregoing.Theywereconcernedalsoaboutbeingwipedoutbytheprogressofhumansocieties,likewe’reoutofcontrolherewithgrowth.SortoflikethemovieKoyaanisqatsi,thatwholeconcept.

Atthesametimetheyweregivingmethebasicunderstandingthatthebasisofexistenceisflux.Becauseifyouhaveflux,youcanalways

producestructure.

Inotherwords,ifthefluxgoesinaloop,nowyouhavesomethingthatexistsovertimebecauseit’sthesameandthesame.Whereasifyoustartwithstructure,structureitselfdoesn’timplyfluxbecauseyou’redealingwithsomethingthat’sstatic.Whyshoulditmove?It’sstatic.

Sothat’sthebeautyofflux.Andthatshiftedmywholeperspective,andIstartedonthisquestofunderstandingnature,developingmyownsystemtheorybeforeIknewtherewassuchathingasSystemTheory.

Thateventuallyleadintodevelopmentofphysics,thisSubquantumKineticswhichIdevelopedwhileIwasstudyingbusiness,actually,atUniversityofChicago.TherewasacourseonOrganizationTheoryandwewereaskedtowriteatermpaper.ThecoursewasstudyingGeneralSystemTheoryandviewingbusinessesasopensystems.

ItwasinthisexperiencewhereIstartedmeldingtheideaofopensystemswithEinstein’sarticlethatIhadread,andchemicalwaves,andsoon,andsuddenlyhadthisepiphany.Thepaperdidn’tendupbeingonbusiness.[laughs]Theprofessor,whohadabehavioralpsychologicalbackground,endedupgivingittoafriendofhis,whohadaphysicsbackground,toevaluate.

KC:Andtherest,astheysay,ishistory.[laughs]Becausethatsoundslikeitpropelledyouintothedirectionyou’vegoneon.

PLV:Yeah.IrememberIhadasortofwhatyou’dcallakundaliniexperienceduringthatwhereIwasawakeallnightwriting,andthenI’dsleepduringthedayandgetuplateafternoonandbewalkingaroundinthemall,theuniversity,thegrassareabetweenthebuildings,andwouldlookatatreeandIcouldseethisenergyfluxinthetree,orthestonelookedlikeitwasalive.



SortofliketheviewoftheshamanIndiansbecauseitcompletelyshiftsyourperspectivewhenyougotothis.It’smoreclosetotheHinduideaofmaya.Thatmayaisillusion;thephysicalisanillusionthat’sjust...we’rewavesonthis...Therealessenceistheetherwhichisnon-material.

BR:IsthatconnectedwithDavidBohm’sImplicateOrder?

PLV:It’sclose.TheconceptsofSubquantumKineticsaresimilarinsomerespectstoDavidBohm’stheory,butDavidBohm’sworkinginGeneralRelativity,arelativisticframework.Hehasn’tcompletelywipedtheslatecleanhere.

Iacceptsomeofhisconcepts,likehisideaofstochasticfluctuationsasarepresentationofzero-pointenergythatthisisnotjusttheideaofprobabilisminquantummechanics,isnotjustsomeequationyou’rewriting,butithasarealbasisinsomething,somemedium,havingstochasticbehaviorthere.InthiscaseIwouldsayit’stheaether.

ButIusedifferentterms.Ispeakoftheimplicitorderandthe

explicitorder.Theimplicitorderistheethericorder.It’sorderedinthesenseofthereactionpathwaysthatareverydefined.

Theexplicitorderisthewaveorderthatwesee,thatwe’reabletosee.Weneedwavestoseeotherwaves,youknow;everythingiswaves.Sothat’sthequantumrealm.

Thesubquantumistheimplicitorderandthequantumistheexplicitorderandtheexplicitorderevolvesoutoftheimplicitorder.Thereasonwhywehaveaparticle–it’sawavepattern,subatomicparticles–thereasonthatexistsisbecauseyouhavethiscyclicalyin/yangsortofreactiongoingonatthesubquantumlevel,soit’sjustamanifestationofwhat’salreadythere.Itjustemerges.

BR:Yes.

PLV:Itleadstoacontinuouscreationcosmology.

BR:Sure.

PLV:Sothatmatterisbeingcontinuouslycreated,eventhismoment.It’snotsomethingthathappenedallatonceliketheBigBangTheorysays.It’sgoingon,especiallyatthehighestrateatthecenterofthegalaxy,butalsowithinstarsandplanets.

KC:Well,whatabouttheideathatit’sgoingonoutsideofthegalaxy

inother...Likethere’sthetheoryofAnandaBosmantalkingaboutwhathecallstheGreatMagneticAttractor,thatthereisother...Andyou’resayingthatwithinthegalaxythere’sablackhole,orwhatever,it’snotablackhole,butyou’resayingit's...?

PLV:MotherStar,Icallit.

KC:Okay.



PLV:Averyoldstar.It’stheoldeststarinthegalaxy.

KC:Sobeyondthis...Becausethere’slotsofgalaxies,right?Sodoyougobeyondthat?

PLV:Yeah.Everygalaxyiscreatingmatterandenergyandifthatcontinues,thesegalaxieswillgrowandgrow.They’llspawnothergalaxiesbecausethey’llejectstarclusters.Youknow,everytimethecoreexplodes,itejectsstarclusters.That’swhatpopulatesthehaloofthegalaxy.Someofthese,ifthey’reverylargeejections,willactuallybesmallgalacticnucleithatwillendupspawninganothergalaxy.

ThinkoftheLargeandSmallMagellanicCloudsthatareveryclose.Theycouldhavebeenejectionsfromourowngalacticcore,ormaybetheyjusthappenedtonucleatecloseby,butyoudoseesomethatlookliketheycameoutoffromthecoreofamothergalaxy.HaltonArp,anastronomer,talksaboutthis,thatsomeoftheselookasiftheywereejectionsfromactivecores.

Buteventuallyyoucouldsay–anextreme–maybethewholeuniversebecomesfilledwithmatterandenergy.It’sverypossible,beforeit

wouldevengettothatpoint,thattheset-pointthat’scausingallthiscreationwouldchange,youknow,somethingthatmighthaveaperiodofseveralhundred-trillionyears,likeintheHinduview.

HindumythologytalksaboutVishnuwakingupeverysomanyhundred-trillionyearsandeverythingdematerializes.AllofthemayaiswithdrawnandeveryonerealizesallalongwewereVishnu,wewerethisEssence.

KC:Butisitpossibletherecouldbe,then,anothereruption?

PLV:Yeah.Thisideathatnotonlywehavecyclesintermsofcoreexplosions,butalsothewholeuniversegoesthroughacycleof

creationanddissolution.

BR:Soyou’renofanofthestandardBigBangTheory?

PLV:Well,it’sinterestingthattheyhaditrightinoneway–therearebigbangs,butthey’reatthecentersofgalaxies.Therewasn’tasingleBigBangcreatingeverything.

And,interestingly,thesebigbangsareassociatedwithcreationbecausethecreationrateisthehighestintheMotherStar,asIcallit,inthecoreofthegalaxyandthat'sreallygoingoutofcontrol.It’slikeanuclearreactorgoingsuper-criticalwhereitendsup

goingintoaveryactivestate,expelling.

Allthismatterandenergythathadbeencreatedforthousandsofyearsisnowexpelled,andasthisismovedawayoutfromthecore,thenthegravitypotentialfieldthatwasgraduallygettingdeeperanddeeperaroundthecorenowcomesupabitanditcoolsoff,thereactioncoolsoff.Because,likeIwassaying,inSubquantumKineticsthiswholecreationprocessistiedtothelevelofgravitypotential,



sothat’swhythere’sacycleinvolved.

Creation’salwaysgoingon,butthenitgetsreallyextremeandgoesthroughthisoutburst,andthenthingssubside.It’salmostlikewithavolcanothatreleasesthepressurethat’sbuiltupunderneathandthenitgoesintoaquiescentperiod.

BR:GoingbacktoMaxwellandelectrogravitics,haveyouspokenwithTomBearden?

PLV:Wemet.Weweretalkingmoreabouthisfreeenergydevice,whichIdon’tknowifhe’sactuallygotitworkingatthispoint.Actually,there’ssomeconceptsthataresimilar.BeardenhassomesimilarthinkingonsomeareastoSubquantumKinetics,butwehaven’treallydiscussedit.

BR:Okay.

KC:Okay.Butratherthandrilldownthere,becauseweneedtowrapthisup,isthereawaywecouldkindofpullinsomeofthesethreadsintosomethingthatwouldkindofmakesenseintermsofwhereyoumightbegoingnowwithyourwork,andwhy?

PLV:Well,likerightnowI’mwritingapaperonthemassextinctionattheendoftheIceAgewhichIbelievewasduetoasolarcause,acoronalmassejectionstrikingtheEarth.I’mhopingthatbyadvancinginvariousareas...it’ssortoflikeafrontthatyou’repushinginvariousplaces.Like,before,IwaswritingmoreontheSubquantumKinetics,nowit’smoreclosetoclimatologyandcatastrophism.

Inthehopesthatsomeadvancewillgetpeopleveryexcited,I’mhopingthiswillgetthemexcitedandattractmoreattentiontowhatI’vebeensaying.

KC:Well,whatabouttheideaof...areyouthinkingthatyoumightbe

gettingclosetosomekindofmodelofconsciousnessitself?

PLV:Ihavedoneworkonthat,too,astheFeeling-ToneTheorymodelthatIdevelopedinthe’80sbasedonBillGray’swork,who’sasystemspsychologist/psychiatrist,andmeldedhisideathatthoughtisreallybasedonfeeling-tones,spirit–really,feelings,whenyougetdowntoit–andwasabletoexplainhowthosefeeling-tonesemergeintoathought,usingconceptswhicharesimilartowhatIusetodevelopSubquantumKinetics.

Asystemtheoristcangoataveryabstractlevelandbringstufffrom

onefieldintoanotherwhichiswhatIdidthere.Thattheoryalsomatchedverycloselywithalotofneuro-physiologicaldata,awidespectrum.Itwassortoflikehittingthetargeteleventimes.[laughs]

WedidsomeconsultingtoHughesAircraftwhichusedthatastheirwayofenhancingcreativityandIwaslatertoldthattheysaved$40-milliondollarsusingthisapproach,ifyouputsomepriceontheincreaseofcreativitythatresulted.



KC:Yeah.

PLV:Ithinkit’ssafetotalkaboutthatsinceHughesAircraftisn’taroundanymore.

KC:Intheory.

PLV:It’sallbeenbrokenup.

BR:Itwouldnicetoberewardedwithafewpercentofthataddedvalue.[laughter]

PL:Yeah.Imean,Starburstcoulddoalotmoreincontactingthescientificcommunityandattendingconferencesifwehadourcoffersfull.[laughs]

BR:Yeah.Iread,forinstance,thatthere’ssomejustroutinescientificworkthatisexpensivebutacceptedlike,forinstance,massspectrographicanalysisoficecoresamples.Thatwouldreallydoalottobolsteryourtheorybutitjusthasn’tbeendonebecauseit’ssoexpensiveandyou’reworkingonyourown.

PLV:Yeah.Infact,thistheoryofthemammothsandmammalsbeingwipedoutbyacoronalmassejection--itwasn’tjustone.Therewasaseriesoveraseveralthousandyearperiod,buttherewasonerealmajoronethatsortofendedit.

Youcantestthat.I’velocatedtheplaceintheicecore.Allweneedtodothenissampleforberyllium-10andseetheberyllium-10spikeupatthattime;lookalsoatcarbon-14insedimentcores.Thesearethingsthatcanbedonetotestthetheory,soI’mhopingonceIgetthispublished,Icanconvincesomeothers,somecolleagues,thatweteamupanddothis.

BR:Right.Becausethat’ssimplestuff.Imean,scientifically

speaking,that’ssimplestuff.

KC:Okay.Well,let’ssaythatmaybethisinterviewwillkindofgotowardsthatdirectionofattractingpeopletoyouthatcouldmakethesethingspossibleformoreinvestigationinalloftheseareasthatyou’reworkingin.ButIwanttothankyouverymuchfortakingthetimetoexplainthistousinawaythatwecouldunderstandit,whichIthinkyoudidwell,andhopefully,wecanlearnmoreaboutyourtheoriesandalsotheapplicationsofthoseandseewhatpansoutinthefuture.

BR:Andwedoknowthataresomesmartpeopleinhighplaceswhodo

watchourvideosbecausethey’reneverquitesurewhatwe’regoingtocomeoutwith[laughter]andtheywatchusquitecarefully.

KC:That’sright.

BR:Andthesearenotnecessarilybadguys.Thesearesmartguysandthey'regoodguysandit’sentirelypossible...

KC:Someofthem.



BR:Someofthemare.Andit’sentirelypossiblethatifyourworkhasn’tcomefullytotheirattention,itmayjustgivethemalittleprodtotakeanothergoodlookatwhatyouhavetoofferhere.

PLV:Youknow,whatyoumentionedaboutyouheardfromthisfellowwhowasintouchwithablackproject,orhewasablackprojectsengineerandtalkingaboutspacetravelwithsuperluminalspaceships?

KC:Right.

PLV:Iwouldn’tbesurprisedifpartofthatismisinformation.Idon’tthinkitwasoursuperluminalspaceshiphe’stalkingabout.ItwasfromanETcivilization;they’vebeenintouchwithETswhotoldthemthis.

BR:Entirelypossible,andthatmayhavebeenentirelyaccidentalbecausehemaywellhavebeenrelatingthatstorysecond-orthird-hand,buttheprincipleisthathesaid:Thereisawavecoming.

Hecouldn’tdescribeitexactly.Hewasn’taphysicist,actually.He

wasanoperativeratherthananengineer.Hesaidhethoughtthetimescalewasmorelike2017,buthedidsaythatsuperluminalcrafthadbeenouttakingalookatitandreportedwhatwasgoingon.

Hesaiditcould...Ithinkhiswordsweresomethinglike:ItcouldjustbeapuffofwindoritcouldturntheEarthonitsaxis,butnobodyreallyknowswhat’sgoingtohappen.

PLV:Well,Irecentlydecipheredacropcircle,theAvalononefrom2008thatshowsthesolarsystem,theplanets,arrangedastheywouldbein2012.

KC:Right.

PLV:IthinkIrememberreadingsomething,oryouweretalkingaboutthis:Hey!Youknow,Pluto’snotwhereitshouldbe.

KC:DavidWilcockusesthatinoneofhistalks.

BR:[overtalk]It’sobviouslyinthewrongplace.

PLV:Right,becauseIknowonefellowwho’sbelievingthatthismeansasuperwavewillarrivein2012andhe’sactuallyworkingwithpeopletobuildashelterdowninAustraliarightnow,expectingthatthiswillhitin2012.

Butmyreactionis,whywouldtheyputthatobviouserrorinthere?SoIlookedatitandnoticedinthediagramthatappearedoneweeklaterthatshowswhatlookslikeNeptune’sorbit,thatcircle,andit’smarked,whichseemstorepresentPluto’scrossing-pointonNeptune’sorbit.

Thenit’sgotalittleellipticaldiagramwithlittlecircles,asifdividingitinelevenequalparts,andtomethat’sanelliptical



exaggerationofPluto’sorbit–sothatwedon’tmistakeitasacircle–showingelevensubdivisionsofPluto’sorbit.IfyoutaketheperiodofPluto’sorbitandyoudivideitbyeleven,youcometotheamountthatPluto’sdisplacedinthatcropcircle.

BR:Okay.Yeah.

PLV:Andifyouaddthatto2012,youcometo2035ADwiththeexactdate,June8th,whenthatcropcircleappeared.Inotherwords,itwouldhavebeen27yearsintothefuturefrom2008,whichisinteresting.

BR:Okay.

PLV:Sowhataretheysaying?Doesthatmeanthat’swhenasuperwavewillarrive?Willitbethetimewhenthecurrentonewillend?Thatitmightarrive2012?Orwhat?Wedon’tknow.

ButthereissomethingonthepulsardiagramthatevenbeforethishappenedIhadwrittenaboutitonmywebsite.Somebodyhaddiscoveredthat,havingreadmybook,theywrotemeanemailandsaid:Bytheway,didyouknowthattheperiodsyouput,youattractedourattentiontotheCrabandVelaPulsars–whicharethesetwosupernova

remnantswhichareveryimportant,closetous,andinadditiontheVulpeculaPulsar.Ihadstatedtheperiodsforthesethree,thattheysortofformasymbolicarrow,ifyouunderstandthepulsardiagram,asIcallit–thattheperiodsareveryclosetotheFibonacciserieswhichcreatestheGoldenMean?

Andsureenough,ifyoutaketheratiosofthetwolonger-periodones,theycometotheGoldenMeanratio,towithinthat.It’s10-5,thedifference;inotherwords,onehundredthousandthisthedeviationfromthatbeingperfect.

BR:Hmm.That’sprettyclose.

PLV:ButyounoticethattheCrabperiodissignificantlyoff–andthisisassumingifthesecondistheuniversalstandardinextraterrestrialcommunicationnow,becauseI’msuggestingthatthepulsarsareanextraterrestrialmessagethatpulsarsat33milliseconds–soit’sreally34isthenumberyoucomeupwithintheFibonacciseries.

Soifyousay:WhenwouldtheCrabPulsarhavethatperiodwhereitendsupbeing34milliseconds?Well,it’sinthefuturebysomanyyearsanditcomesoutnotveryfarfromthis2035date;Iwascomingupwithsomethinglike2037orso,2038.Soitseemslikesomething’sgoingonhere.It’sinteresting.

KC:Right.Sothere’ssomekindofmessagetherebutyou’reactuallydecipheringitdifferentlythansomeofthe2012enthusiasts,ifyouwill.

PLV:Yeah.Ithinkthere’snotenoughinformationtoimmediatelyconcludethatthey’retellinguswewillbehitbyasuperwavein2012,althoughalotofpeoplehavecontactedmewho’vesaidthey’vebeenintelepathiccontactwithETswhoaretellingthem:2012–asuperwavewillarrive.



Infact,onefellowsaidhehadthisETcontactandtheyweretellinghimaboutcosmicraywavecomingandhewantedtoknowmoreinformationaboutitsotheysaid:Well,justlookuptheworkofPaulL.[laughter]

SohedidasurfonitwithGoogleandfoundmywork.Idon'tknowifthisistrue.Maybethey’reawareofmywebsite.Idon’tknow...upthere.

[laughter]

KC:Okay,sothat’sagreatplacetoend.Thankyou,that’slovely.Thankyouverymuch,PaulLaViolette.

PLV:Mm-hm.

BR:Wonderful.Thankyou.

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