115 Contradictions from Calvinists

Ive compiled this list of contradictions and double-speak from the experiences I have had with 5 point Calvinists to show the doctrines of grace do not rightly divide the Word of Truth which demonstrates Calvinists dont have the sound mind God requires of someone who is approved of God (2 Timothy 2:15).I do concede not everyone who claims this doctrine actually believes it in their hearts and I give grace in those situations. I also know that sometimes people can simply be confused about these things and havent thought through the logical implications. Having said this any teachings about Gods character and nature which go against the knowledge of God should be cast down (2 Corinthians 10:5). The bible teaches in Galatians 5:9 the universal truth that a little leaven leavens the whole lump. While Calvinists teach some truth there are many errors within. The battle is for the truth of who God is which is reflected in the gospel message of salvation. To put it simply false teachers lie about who God is, what He wants, and how He interacts with His creation which affect the gospel message leading people away from the real Jesus.The contradictions below are direct quotes from Calvinists while others are paraphrases of conversations. You, the reader, might be a Calvinist and may object to some of the contradictions as not representing Calvinism or creating characters of Calvinism because your beliefs differ from the ones below. But unless you are the pope or leader of the Calvinists you cannot say with 100% certainty your beliefs are the STANDARD by which everyone bows towards.Perhaps its you that is incorrect.Ive seen the Calvinist system of theology cause damage to the body of Christ in witnessing ministries (Descent Into Error Part 1). Ive heard of seminary students leave seminary because they were taught Calvinistic predestination, something they have not read in Scripture. Ive had people tell me their faith was shaken because they dont know if they are one of the elect God chose. Ive seen Calvinists confuse the lost by telling them to believe the gospel but God must make them believe. Ive had Calvinists tell me Calvinism is the gospel and if I dont believe it Im going to hell because I have a works based salvation. Ive seen Calvinists change the words of the bible to make their doctrine fit.These are not minor issues! Christians should rise up and pray that God will purge this doctrine from the minds of those who are ensnared by its contradictory ideas. There are some, such as evangelist Mark Cahill, who are publicly speaking out against the doctrine.Am I causing division? Not at all. Its not ME causing division, its the DOCTRINE of Calvinism causing division because it teaches different doctrines about God than what I had originally believed. These are not DEEPER truths but DIFFERENT truths about who God is. Calvinism changes the personality of God.Romans 16:17 NKJVNow I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them.Christians are to have the mind of Christ and a sound mind to rightly divide the Word of Truth, and I know the mind of Christ is not contradictory nor confusing. If an interpretation of a verse doesnt harmonize with other verses there is something wrong with it and the interpretation should be changed until it harmonizes. Its really that simple. What is harder is to admit the error, and I hope some do. Misrepresenting who God is to the creation leads people to the broad road that leads to destruction!Calvinist contradiction #1Calvinist: Calvinism is not an essential issue.Later in the conversationCalvinist: You believe in a false gospel of free-will!I guess Calvinism is essential.Calvinist contradiction #2Calvinist: Lets not argue, Christ wants unity between all believers such as Calvinists and non-Calvinists. We shouldnt divide over the doctrine.Later in the conversation they say, We dont know who the elect are.If you dont know who the elect are how do you know we are united in the first place?Calvinist contradiction #3From an email on facebook I received:Calvinist: any time you say Calvinism is not true I will rebuke you extremely severely in the name of Jesus Christ! Calvinism is the gospel, you heretic! I read your stupid post even though you are not on my friends list.I am unable to believe in Calvinism because God has decided I dont believe it. Why are you getting mad at me? I cannot help it.Calvinist: you are blinded by the devil. Do not blame God for your inability to believe the gospel.Are the unelect unable to believe the truth?Calvinist: No one is able to believe the truth unless God opens their eyesI guess its Gods fault after all.Calvinist contradiction #4Tony Miano is witnessing to someone on a video. During the conversation a Christian named Marco walked up to Tony and said he was being too hard and needed to teach more on Gods love. Tony then berated him and said, So if me in my flesh can push people away from God then you believe in a weak God. Tony then accused this Christian of blaspheming God because Marcos,you think the gospel needs our helpYou dont believe the gospel is sufficient, Marco!Later in the video Tony explained the correct gospel to Marco by witnessing to Marco!Why is Tony showing Marco the correct way when he just finished telling Marco you think the gospel needs our help? Apparently Tonys god is weak too since he needs Tony to correct Marco.Calvinist Contradiction #5Tony Miano is preaching to a crowd and tells them to repent and believe. A few minutes later Tony says God is a God of love and if He CAUSES you to be born again, THEN you can repent and THEN you can believe.He told the crowd they must repent and believe and now he is saying GOD MUST DO ITvery confusing to unbelievers.and everyone else.Calvinist contradiction #6Calvinist: God is sovereign in all things. If you dont believe God gave you the faith to believe you are going against Gods sovereignty!But if I can go against Gods sovereignty than God isnt sovereign in all things.Think about that for a second.Calvinist contradiction #7Calvinist: God does not predestine people for heaven and hell. He simply passes over those people not saving them.Who makes the decision to pass certain people over not saving them?Calvinist: God.Sounds like God predestines people for heaven or hell.Calvinist contradiction #8Calvinist: God isnt obligated to respond to a persons faith. God is completely sovereign and isnt controlled by what people do.Does God get angry at a sinners sin?Calvinst: Yes.Then I guess God is controlled by what men do.Calvinist contradiction #9I decided to take a systematic theology class at my old church which was taught by a 5 point Calvinist named Mark K. During this time in my life I believed what Calvinists told me, that Calvinism is not an essential issue.In the very first class we listened to a sermon on Gods sovereignty and in that sermon the speaker said if I didnt believe in Gods sovereignty (as he was defining it by Calvinism) Im an idolator.But I thought Calvinism is not an essential issue?Mark K, who is leading the class told me later Calvinism is not an essential issue, then why is he showing the class a sermon that suggests the opposite?Answer: Because he really believes Calvinism is essential and is trying to trick people into believing it is when he tells them its not. This is not the only time I have had Calvinists hide their doctrines under the guise of its not essential and then turn around later and say it really is. Very deceptive.Calvinist contradiction #10Calvinist: Calvinism is not an essential issue. The essentials are the Trinity, the deity of Christ, Christs physical resurrection, salvation by grace through faith.Later in the conversationCalvinist: If you believe people can respond to the gospel using their free will you are a heretic.I guess the list of essentials is growing as we speak. You may want to include that in the list for the future.Calvinist contradiction #11Calvinist: Unbelievers are blinded by total depravity, they are unable to believe.Then why did God blind some of the Jews from believing if they are already blinded? Or why does satan blind people from the gospel if they are already unable to believe it? It sounds to me like people can be led astray, which means they can believe. In fact the bible says EXACTLY what is blinding sinners from believing the gospel, its Satan (2 Corinthians 4:4), not total inability.Calvinist contradiction #12Calvinist: Christ saved His own at the cross. The elect are never condemned.But wouldnt that mean when you were born you were saved?Calvinist: That would mean you are an unregenerate goat. Elect but not elect yet.The bible doesnt teach this anywhere. It teaches those who dont believe are condemned already (John 3:18) and you just told me the elect are never condemned.Calvinist contradiction #13What do you think God does with mentally handicapped people who might be unable to believe in Christ?Calvinist: God is merciful and would choose them for salvation.What do you think God does with other people who are unable to believe in Christ because they are totally depraved?Calvinist: God sends them to hell.Calvinist contradiction #14Calvinist: The word chosen in the bible means chosen for salvation.You mean like this?John 6:70Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?Calvinist contradiction #15Calvinist: The bible says to rightly divide the word of truth so any contradictions should be studied until they are no longer contradictions.What about the contradiction between Gods sovereignty and mans responsibility?Calvinist: Thats ok if we dont understand thatthats a mystery.Why are contradictions in other ministries EXPOSED AS ERROR by Calvinists but not the ones in their own doctrine which are ACCEPTED as mysteries?Calvinist contradiction #16Calvinist: Do not add or take away from Gods Word.The bible says Christ died for the world, for whosoever, for any, for all of mankind.Calvinist: No it doesnt! World doesnt mean all and all doesnt mean all.Calvinist contradiction #17Calvinist: God showed me the truth of Calvinism through the bible.What did God show you?Calvinist: If you read book that sums up my beliefs.Are you sure you got this new doctrine from God?Calvinist contradiction #18Calvinist: God showed me the truth of Calvinism through the bible.A few years later this same Calvinist: I no longer believe in limited atonement.Are you sure God showed you Calvinism in the first place?Calvinist: silence.Calvinist contradiction #19(On Facebook) Calvinist: We shouldnt divide over Calvinism.I dont believe in the doctrines of grace.Calvinist: Then Im defriending you for blaspheming God!Calvinist contradiction #20Calvinist: People go to hell because they reject the gospel.I thought you said the unsaved were people whom Christ never died for?Calvinist: Yes thats true.So the unsaved are going to hell for rejecting a salvation that isnt meant for them? This is like saying I will send you to prison for not coming to my party, but I never invited you to my party!Calvinist contradiction #21Calvinist preaching to a crowd: God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. God wants all to come to a knowledge of the truth.Wait, you dont believe that, you believe God is not willing that the elect should perish and God only wants some people to come to a knowledge of the truth, so why are you lying to the crowd?Calvinist contradiction #22If a strong body builder places a gun in your hand, then grabs your arm and forces you to shoot someone are you responsible for doing this?Calvinist: No, because the body builder forced me to do it.Was Judas forced by God to betray Christ?Calvinist: Yes.Is Judas responsible for betraying Christ?Calvinist: Yes.Calvinist contradiction #23Calvinist: While witnessing I would never tell a sinner God loves them because I wouldnt want to give them a false hope.What happens when the sinner is concerned about going to hell?Calvinist: I would share with them the good news that Christ died for their sins on the cross.Why would Christ die for their sins?Calvinist: Because He loves them.Calvinist contradiction #24Calvinist: In John 17:9 Christ prays only for believers in the Gospel of John which proves He doesnt love unbelievers.Have you ever prayed for your children?Calvinist: Yes.Does this imply you love them and no one else in the world?Calvinist: silence.Christ prayed Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Sounds like Christ is praying for unbelievers.Calvinist contradiction #25Calvinist 1: I believe Later that day talking to another CalvinistCalvinist 2: Your misrepresenting Calvinism! We dont believe .Calvinist contradiction #26Calvinist: I like Calvinism because I dont have to worry about whether I spoke incorrectly to a sinner while witnessing. God does it all.Is there a wrong way and a right way to preaching the gospel?Calvinist: Oh yes! The gospel must be presented accurately.Then I guess you better be careful how you speak.Calvinist contradiction #27Calvinist: is teaching !You sound concerned. Can someone predestined for heaven go to hell?Calvinist: No.Can someone predestined for hell go to heaven?Calvinist: No.Then why are you concerned about what false teachers teach?Calvinist: Because God uses the gospel to save people and false teachers are preventing that.A false teacher can prevent predestination? I didnt realize they were more sovereign than God.Calvinist contradiction #28Calvinist: Those Westboro Baptist Calvinists are so wrong to hold up signs telling people God hates them!Do you believe God hates all evil doers?Calvinist: Yes.I assume since all people are sinners they are doing evil which means God hates everyone?Calvinist: Yes.Then why are you upset at the Westboro Baptists for telling the truth as you believe it?Calvinist contradiction #29Calvinist: God hates all evildoersDid God love His own while they were evildoers?Calvinist: Yes.Then God doesnt hate everyone.Calvinist contradiction #30Calvinist: The bible says unbelievers cannot do anything good. Romans 8:7 says unbelievers cannot obey Gods law.Does the bible say the conscience is Gods law written on the hearts of everyone?Calvinist: Yes.When you were an unbeliever did you ever obey your conscience, even once?Calvinist: Yes.Apparently Romans 8:7 is not teaching unbelievers are not able to do anything good. The text doesnt say that. It says they arent able to obey the law of God, and in the context of the bible as a whole this means an unbeliever cannot obey the ten commandments perfectly, nobody can, this is why everyone needs a savior.Calvinist contradiction #31Calvinist: Calvinists are the most humble of Christians since we believe God does everything and we can do nothing.You sound proud of your humility.Calvinist contradiction #32Calvinist: Calvinism is growing which means its from God.I thought truth was based on truth and not popularity?Calvinist contradiction #33Calvinist: People go to hell because God hates the sinner and their sin! Sinners owe God their allegiance! After all He gave them life, family, food, friends, air to breathe, and they respond to this kindness with unbelief.You told me before sinners cannot believe in God unless God gives them the ability to believe?Calvinist: This is true.Sinners are not UNWILLING to do what God wants they are UNABLE. Then why is God getting angry at people who are unable to do what He wants?Calvinist contradiction #34Calvinist: Jesus said anyone who does the will of the Father goes to heaven. The unelect do not do Gods will.Did God predestine the unelect for damnation?Calvinist: Yes.Then they are doing Gods will.Calvinist contradiction #35Calvinist: God is sovereign in all things! He does whatever He wants. You cant trap God in a box!But you told me before God MUST change a sinners heart so they can believe? This is the only way.Calvinist: Yes.I guess you have trapped God in a box.Calvinist contradiction #36Calvinist: You are misrepresenting Calvinism! We do not believe Some Calvinists I speak with tell me .Calvinist: Well they are idiots!Are you the pope of Calvinism or the leader of the Calvinists?Calvinist: No.Then you cannot make that call, perhaps you are wrong and you should listen to that other Calvinist.Calvinist contradiction #37Calvinist: God gives faith and repentance to unbelievers. God does it all.Is the sinner actually repenting and exercising faith through their free will?Calvinist: Yes when God gives these to them.Then I guess God doesnt do it all.Calvinist contradiction #38Take a classroom of say 20 people and put earplugs in their ears. Now give them some instructions. Then take their earplugs out. Will they obey your instructions?Calvinist: No, they couldnt hear me.Are you angry at them for disobeying your instructions?Calvinist: Why would I be angry, they cant hear me! It wouldnt be right for me to get angry.Then why is God angry with totally depraved sinners in the same condition?Calvinist contradiction #39Calvinist: Since you claim it was YOU who believed the gospel and God didnt regenerate your heart beforehand, you have a works based salvation and you are not saved. God had nothing to do with you believing, you believed ON YOUR OWN.How could I believe ON MY OWN if I am totally depraved and unable to believe ON MY OWN?Calvinist contradiction #40Calvinist: (said sarcastically) Williams god is the ever-frustrated god that hopes men will come to him and heed his aid because according to William man has free will with concerning his salvationHere God is FRUSTRATED with Israel since He did everything He could and it wasnt enough.Isaiah 5:44 WHAT MORE COULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO MY VINEYARD THAT I HAVE NOT DONE IN IT? Why then, when I expected it to bring forth good grapes, Did it bring forth wild grapes?Here God is FRUSTRATED at Jerusalem for not coming to Him.Matthew 23:37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! HOW OFTEN I WANTED to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!Here God is limited by what men do.Psalm 78:41Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.Mark 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.Mark 6:6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.By the way, God can and still does execute His plans even though people have free-will to disobey.Calvinist contradiction #41Calvinist: Christ did not die on the cross for everyone, but only for certain people.Christ died for the false teachers who deny Him in 2 Peter 2:1 and when He broke bread and drank wine to the Apostles He told them His body and blood will be shed for themJUDAS WAS AT THE TABLEChrist tasted death for every man so Christ did die for all. Not to mention the verses that actually say ALL and WORLD.Calvinist contradiction #42Calvinist: The totally depraved cannot obey God, even once.Did God put a conscience in every human heart?Calvinist: Yes.What is the conscience?Calvinist: Its Gods law.Does the conscience go AGAINST the will of the sinner?Calvinist: Yes.Did you ever obey your conscience even once before you were a Christian?Calvinist: Well, yes.Then I guess you could obey God one time. You may want to reinterpret any verses you think says the opposite.Calvinist contradiction #43Calvinist: The totally depraved cannot obey God, even once.Does God create sinners to be destroyed?Calvinist: Yes.Then they are obeying God by doing what God created them to be!Calvinist contradiction #45Calvinist: I know you are totally depraved because you dont believe in Calvinistic election. You cant believe me so you are a goat.If Im a goat thats scary!Calvinist: If a false teacher and believer have their faith disturbed,I say GREAT!if teaching His word is scary to many,then they need to heed what I say and check what I sayWhy are you telling me to check out what you say when I am unable to understand the verses you give me? Are you mocking my depraved condition?Calvinist contradiction #46Calvinist: If a false teacher and believer have their faith disturbed,I say GREAT!if teaching His word is scary to many,then they need to heed what I say and check what I sayYou seem to be saying a persons fear will cause me to heed and listen to your words? Does this mean fear is more sovereign over God? My fear will force God to regenerate me?Calvinist contradiction #47Calvinist: You believe in Roman Catholicism with a few less bells and whistles.If I am a Roman Catholic without all the bells and whistles then I am not Roman Catholic! The bells and whistles, Catholics say, are required for salvation!Calvinist contradiction #48Calvinist: YOU BELIEVED in Jesus name by your own power when BELIEF doesnt save anyone, Grace does. Belief is a response to being made born again by Gods choice.The bible clearly says repeatedly to BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. You are telling people to avoid doing the very thing God calls them to dobelieve on Him to be saved, which is an act of the sinners will!Calvinist contradiction #49Calvinist: When you get to the judgment just tell Christ, I made it Lord ! I could have told you no but I SAID YES,Im not like those others who denied you,nope, I FIGURED IT OUT because Im more spiritual that the rest.How could I have FIGURED IT OUT when Calvinism says I am totally unable to figure it out?Calvinist contradiction #50Calvinist: God creates people to be destroyed for His own good pleasure and purpose. Thats fine with me. God can do what He wants.Ok, then I will pray your child is a goat.Calvinist: You shouldnt pray that about my child!You tell me God is glorified by sending people to hell. Apparently its ok for people you dont care about to be created for destruction for Gods own good pleasure. But when its someone you love its not ok? This is called hypocrisypretending to be interested in Gods glory in the damnation of peopleunless its someone you love and then you dont like it.Calvinist contradiction #51This is from a newsletter I received from Mike Gendrons ministry. I didnt speak with him personally but I have included my comments since what he says is typical contradictory rhetoric from Calvinists. Read this carefully and notice the uppercase wording (my emphasis).Calvinist Mike Gendron writing to a Catholic in a newsletter: I HAD A CRISIS OF FAITH WHEN I KNEW I HAD TO MAKE A CHOICE between believing the Word of God and the traditions of my religion. IT WAS THEN that God granted me repentance from the fatal errors of Catholicism and ENABLED ME TO BELIEVE the Word of God. The Spirit of God brought me to life after being spiritually dead for over 30 years. To answer your question, the only way a Catholic, or anyone else, can be saved is when God extends His sovereign grace to a repenting sinner WHO HAS PLACED HIS FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. When this supernatural event takes place, the new creature in Christ is sanctified by the truth and called to walk in the truth. THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE IF YOU REMAIN IN A FALSE RELIGIONWE WILL PRAY FOR GOD TO DRAW YOU, your dad and your stepmother to Christ (John 6:44).My Comments: Mike said it was only when he realized he must make a choice between the bible and Catholicism that God granted him repentance and faith. How could Mike have a crisis in faith before regeneration? How could Mike know he had to make a choice between the word of God or Catholic tradition? Knowing you must make a choice means he already understands what the bible says since it conflicts with Catholicism! Something Calvinists say a dead sinner cannot understand!Mike then says God extends His sovereign grace to a repenting sinner WHO HAS PLACED HIS FAITH in the Lordthis is faith before regeneration, not regeneration before faith! Furthermore Mike goes on to say that this supernatural event of God, which is giving a sinner faith, wont happen until he leaves the false religion of Catholicism. But why would a dead sinner want to leave a false religion to the truth unless they already know what the truth is? Something a dead sinner cannot believe in! And is Gods election controlled by a sinners willingness to leave a false religion? Calvinists tell me all the time God isnt moved by what men do.Lastly telling a Catholic they will pray for God to draw him is confusing to the sinner who was just told to make a choice. You never see the Apostles praying this kind of prayer or saying this to sinners.I like Mike Gendrons ministry to Catholics but it would be better if Mike would reinterpret his doctrines so they dont contradict each other and not believe in the contradictory man-made traditions of Calvinism.Calvinist contradiction #52Calvinist: I would never tell a sinner Christ died for them, thats not part of the gospel! The Apostles never said that to sinners!In 1 Corinthians 15 the Apostle Paul told fellow believers what gospel he taught them BEFORE they were Christians. Part of that message is CHRIST DIED FOR YOUR SINS. He also mentions its the same gospel HE received. So saying Christ died for your sins is part of the gospel.1 Corinthians 151 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received , and wherein ye stand ; 2 By which also ye are saved , if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all THAT WHICH I RECEIVED , how that CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried , and that he rose again the third day according to the scripturesCalvinist: Paul was talking to Christians in that verse. Of course Paul would say Christ died for them because they are the elect.Are you saying there is a different gospel for the elect than the unelect?Calvinist: umwellno.You may want to tell sinners Christ died for them otherwise you arent giving them the means by which God saves. This of course may cause you on occasion to lie to the unelect since you believe Christ didnt die for everyone. I suppose you could stop lying by not evangelizing altogether but then you would be sinning again by not obeying the Great Commission. You could argue God commands you to evangelize and do it anyway but then that means God is commanding you to eventually lie to someone at some point. It seems no matter what you do you are sinning. My goodness what a mess!There is a simple solution for all this that brings peace of mind. Christ died for all. The truth will set you free!Calvinist contradiction #53How do you harmonize the contradictory ideas of Gods sovereignty and mans accountability? You define them as God controls everything and sinners cannot choose Christ but are still responsible for rejecting Him?Calvinist: The bible doesnt pretend to harmonize them and neither should I!Contradictions mean you arent rightly dividing the word of truth which means you arent presenting yourself approved of God.2 Timothy 2:1515 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.Since you believe contradictions are truth you dont seem to have the sound mind God has given you.2 Timothy 1:77 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mindPlease rethink the interpretations you have because they dont demonstrate you have the mind of Christ.Calvinist contradiction #54Calvinist: Im witnessing to you because of 1 Peter 3:15, I always want to give a defense of the doctrines of grace:1 Peter 3:1515 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,First, you arent making a very good defense of the faith since the doctrines of grace are contradictory to logic, common sense and the bible itself. Secondly, waiting around for God to regenerate me so I can believe is not HOPEFUL, its HOPELESS! Lastly, you arent very gentle or respectful since you judge my heart telling me I will stand before God with pride I have saved myself!Calvinist contradiction #55Calvinist: Posting a sign on facebook that says Repent and be saved come to Jesus today, He doesnt want to see you suffer in HELL. He wants to give you Eternal Life. COME TODAY because tommorrow it might be too late.Why are you posting a sign that goes against your belief that God does indeed pass over people for hell because he wants them there for his own good pleasure? Why are you suggesting a sinner can come to Jesus when you say they cannot? Why do you continue to put signs like this out and then confuse people later with Calvinistic doctrines that contradict the sign?Calvinist contradiction #56Is your father saved?Calvinist: No, he hates God so why should God love him?You mean your fathers hatred is causing God to hate your father?Calvinist: Yes.Why would your father love a god who hated him before he was born? A God who created him for destruction? Who doesnt love him enough to save him? Does Gods hatred of them bring people to repentance? Calvinist contradiction #57Calvinist: You cant use reason and logic! What Scripture says is all that matters!Do you think Joel Olsteen is a false teacher and if you do why?Calvinist: Yes. Because he teaches a prosperity gospel where you can have your best life now. Jesus said believers will have trials, tribulations, and persecution.I agree with you. But you know Joel Olsteen uses Scripture to back up his claims of prosperity?Calvinist: He tries to but those verses cannot mean what he says since it conflicts with other parts of the bible.I agree. So if Joel were honest he should reinterpret those verses that contradict?Calvinist: Yes.Why dont you follow your own advice and do the same with your contradictory Calvinist doctrines? It seems to me you may want to remove the log in your own eye before tackling someone elses beliefs.Calvinist contradiction #58Calvinist: You dont understand the verses I am giving you about God giving you faith, which means you are a goat.First, you dont know who the unelect will be so how do you know Im a goat? Secondly, where in the bible does it say the gospel isbelieving God gives me faith? Where did the Apostles teach or tell a sinner you must believe God gives you faith to be saved? You may believe the bible teaches this concept in other places but NOWHERE do you find the Apostles in the book of Acts telling sinners to believe this concept or they are a goat!Calvinist contradiction #59Calvinist: Since you believe you had faith on your own without God giving it, you are no different than a Roman Catholic who thinks you must cooperate with God to be saved.Im definitely not a Roman Catholic! Do you believe you must persevere in good works to prove your saved?Calvinist: Yes.Has God prepared these good works for you to do?Calvinist: Yes.Then I guess you must cooperate with God to ensure your salvation.Calvinist contradiction #60Calvinist: I believe in Calvinism because the doctrine elevates Gods glory to the max.Does giving God glory mean giving God credit for who He is?Calvinist: Yes.In Calvinism Christ didnt die for the unelect so how could the unelect praise God for eternally loving them?Calvinist: Christ didnt die for the unelect so they wouldnt glorify His eternal love for them.Exactly! The doctrines of grace, ironically, punify Gods attributes of love. It shows God is holy to all, but certainly not eternally loving to all, thereby contradicting the idea the bible presents that GOD IS LOVE, punifying Gods glory.Calvinist contradiction #61Calvinist: Calvinists are the most humble of Christians since we believe God does everything and we can do nothing.Did you have to make sure you are walking in obedience to Gods Will?Calvinist: Yes.Then I guess you have to do something.Calvinist contradiction #62Calvinist: Sinners who turn to the Lord will have their blindness taken away.2 Corinthians 36 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.Yes I believe that, buthow can a sinner turn to Christ when they are, as you say, unable to turn to Christ?Calvinist: God must make someone born again before they can turn to Christ.First, 2 Corinthians 3 doesnt say that, your man-made philosophy called Calvinism does. Secondly, their blindness has nothing to do with their eternal destiny if Calvinism is true. Its God who decides their eternal destiny in Calvinism. A sinners inability to come to Christ or blindness doesnt matterwhat matters is whether God chose them that matters! Please reinterpret your doctrines so they logically work within themselves.Calvinist contradiction #63Calvinist: Gods eternal decrees from eternity past stands forever with the wicked and the ones he has declared righteous.Sinners have free will to believe the gospel.Calvinist: ok your freewill trumps Gods decree? I dont think so.Am I trumping Gods decree by rejecting Calvinism?Calvinist: your free will is trumping Gods decrees!!!!!!!Originally you said Gods eternal decrees from eternity past stands forever, except in my case since I am right now trumping them.Calvinist contradiction #64Calvinist: You must use a true exegetical hermeneutical form of interpretation of scripture.Later in the conversation Calvinist: I would challenge you to read [the canons of dort] and listen Ive studied the doctrines of grace for yearsUsing the doctrines of men as your interpreter is not a true exegetical hermeneutical form of interpretation of scripture. This is no different than a Catholic using the Catechism to interpret for them, or the Jehovah Witnesses who use the Watchtower to interpret for them, or the Mormons who use the book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants to interpret for them. Im certain you would condemn these belief systems based on this but you dont with your own. How contradictory is that! Would you condemn paraphrases such as the Message Bible? Im sure you would because its a PARAPHRASE of the bibleits someones opinion of what the bible sayswhat you are doing is no different, studying for years the opinions of men thinking this is God speaking to you.Calvinist contradiction #65Calvinist: If a false teacher and believer have their faith disturbed,I say GREAT!if teaching His word is scary to many,then they need to heed what I say and check what I sayHave you noticed the people who are afraid after hearing the gospel, such as Felix in the book of Acts, are afraid BECAUSE they UNDERSTAND it..something you say totally depraved sinners cannot do!Calvinist contradiction #66Calvinist: God sends people to hell for their sin!Do Calvinists believe God hated Esau before he did anything good or bad?Calvinist: Yes.Sounds like a sinners sin has nothing to do with their damnation.Calvinist contradiction #67Calvinist: It would be fair for God to send all of us to hell since we all deserve it. Its unfair for God to save anyone!If its unfair for God to save anyone than apparently God is going against His own justice system of FAIRNESS. When He takes favoritism on some, as Calvinism states, and sends them to heaven that is also UNFAIR to those whom He didnt do that for. In order to be just and righteous God must treat everyone with the same level of justice, mercy and love, otherwise its not just. Justice knows nothing of favoritism! If a judge pays the fine for his own kids so they can be set free because he loves them while he doesnt do that for others sending them to prison never giving them the opportunity to be set free is a corrupt judge, not justice!Calvinist contradiction #68Calvinist: God ordains ALL things. There is nothing done in the universe outside of Gods will.Did you hear about the 3 year-old daughter and mother diagnosed with cancer at the same time? Isnt that a tragedy?Calvinist: Yes. Please pray God will pour out his infinite love on them healing them as a testimony of his mercy and power!According to Calvinism God ordained the cancer so why are you going against Gods will by praying for their healing? God has already demonstrated His glory by giving them cancer. Are you trying to undo Gods glory? Why are you going against His Will?Calvinist contradiction #69Calvinist: God does whatever He wants to whenever He wants to. If you cant accept the fact that God can violate the will of anyone He desires, then you are not now nor will you ever be able to accept Him as the God He truly is.I didnt realize the god who can do whatever he wants whenever he wants to including the violation of a persons will is waiting for my acceptance.Calvinist contradiction #70Calvinist: The doctrines of grace is the only way to rightly divide the word of truth.Calvinist: Calvinist: Calvinist: You dont seem to be willing to see that contradictions in verses are there because your interpretation is incorrect, elevating your own ideas to infallibility. You arent rightly dividing the word of truth by ignoring verses that contradict your belief system. Any verses that contradict are not mysteries but errors!Calvinist contradiction #71Non-Calvinist: I heard of a book called The Shack that changes Gods character and nature. Its heresy to change Gods character and nature!A year and a half later this person became a Calvinist where he changed Gods character and nature from being eternally loving to all to eternally loving to some. He changed it where Gods tender mercies are NOT over ALL His works. He changed it where Gods justice is based on favoritism. which is unjust. He changed Gods words where all really means some when God never said that, calling God a liar in His Holy Word. He changed it where salvation is based on Gods election choices, not personal faith and trust in Christ.Calvinist contradiction #72Calvinist: A sinner told me that his god is a god of love and not judgement, and sends only really bad people to hell. This is idolatry because God is holier than that.I agree. What if the opposite is true and Gods justice is elevated over His love, would that be idolatry?Calvinist: Yes.You just admitted Calvinism is idolatry.Calvinist contradiction #73Calvinist: You dont understand Calvinism!What you are saying is I do not believe Calvinism is true, which is different than understanding what it teaches. The reason I oppose Calvinism is because I understand what it teaches!Calvinist contradiction #74Calvinist: You dont believe Calvinism because you have pride and want to take credit for your salvation.First you are violating the command by Christ to not judge by appearance, you have no idea what is in my heart. Secondly faith isnt defined as a WORK in the bible but you are suggesting it is. Furthermore why would I have pride when I believe my only hope for heaven is what Christ did for me on the cross?Calvinist contradiction #75At a bible study with a Calvinist: Everyone are just like the people in Genesis 6:5.5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. While it is true the bible teaches the human heart is desperately wicked the bible also teaches all people are not as evil as they could be at all times. People arent as wicked today as they will be tomorrow. All Genesis 6:5 is saying is the people, AT THAT TIME, were very wicked, NOT everyone who has ever lived or who will live are that evil.Calvinist contradiction #76Calvinist: He would still be infinitely loving even if He chose not to love us at all.If God chose to not love some people than He isnt infinitely loving! You cant get better than INFINITE!Calvinist contradiction #77Calvinist: God is sovereign and men have responsibility for what they believe.How could men be responsible for what they believe when God decreed what they will or will not believe?Calvinist: You dont understand Calvinism. God is sovereign and men have responsibility for what they believe.How does your statement about what Calvinism teaches exonerates the doctrine from being contradictory on this topic? Answer: It doesnt. All you have done is repeat the statement you made before without answering my question. Telling me what Calvinism teaches doesnt solve the contradiction, it only makes it more apparent!Calvinist contradiction #78Calvinist: Sinners cannot do anything good which is why they go to hell.The bible doesnt teach sinners go to hell because they cant do ANYTHING good. It teaches perfection is required to enter heaven and this is why we all fall short, only God is good (perfect), and we arent perfect (Romans 3:23, Matthew 19:17, Matthew 5:48). Sinners can and do good things sometimes, even Jesus said they give good things to their children, but thats not the issue. The issue is we arent perfect. Suggesting a sinner cannot do one good thing and that is the reason they go to hell is not what the bible says.Calvinist contradiction #79Calvinist: Sinners must have the Holy Spirit in them BEFORE they believe the gospel, that is called regeneration.The Apostle Paul believed BEFORE he had the spirit three days later.Calvinist: The Apostle Pauls conversion is an example of total depravity because Christ had to do something before he believed, which is Christ appeared to Paul. If it werent for that Paul wouldnt have believed.How does Christ appearing to Paul have anything to do with the Holy Spirit indwelling a sinner? Answer: Nothing. Paul still didnt have the Holy Spirit in him so how could he have believed?Calvinist: The Apostle Paul didnt have saving faith, even the demons believe.The demons dont obey Christ and Paul did which means Paul had saving faith. Oh by the way you still didnt answer my question. (and they never do).Calvinist contradiction #80Calvinist: Sinners must have the Holy Spirit in them BEFORE they believe the gospel, that is called regeneration.In Acts 19:2-4 the followers of John the Baptist believed, but had Johns baptism and not the baptism of the Spirit.Calvinist: Calvinist contradiction #81Calvinist: Sinners must have the Holy Spirit in them BEFORE they believe the gospel, that is called regeneration.In Acts 814-19 the Samaritans believed first, then received the Spirit.Calvinist: Calvinist contradiction #82Calvinist: Sinners must have the Holy Spirit in them BEFORE they believe the gospel, that is called regeneration.In Eph 1:12-13 says the Spirit indwells AFTER belief.Calvinist: Calvinist contradiction #83Calvinist: Sinners must have the Holy Spirit in them BEFORE they believe the gospel, that is called regeneration.Cornelious in Acts 10 who was a gentile believer but didnt have the spirit in him until the end of the chapter.Calvinist: Calvinist contradiction #84Calvinist: The unelect go to hell because they have rejected the gospel of salvation.Did Christ die for the unelect?Calvinist: No, He didnt.If this is the case Christ isnt offering the gospel to them, and therefore they arent rejecting it!Calvinist contradiction #85Calvinist: You should stop causing division among Christian brothers with your arguments. God hates that according to Proverbs 6:16-19.Proverbs 6:16-1916 There are six things that the Lord hates,seven that are an abomination to him:17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue,and hands that shed innocent blood,18 a heart that devises wicked plans,feet that make haste to run to evil,19 a false witness who breathes out lies,and one who sows discord among brothers.First, you have already told me you dont know who the elect are so you dont know who is a brother in Christ and who isnt. Secondly, did you notice there is something in these verses that God hates more than discord? God hates liars (v17, v19) more since He listed them twice. Calvinism teaches lies about Gods character and nature so you may want to point those verses back at yourself.Calvinist contradiction #86Calvinist: I preach the gospel to all because I dont know who the elect are.This would mean that at some point you are lying to the unelect with a gospel not meant for them.Calvinist: Im not lying! Im commanded by God to preach to all.So God is commanding you to lie?Calvinist contradiction #87Calvinist: You dont like the true God because you want to take credit for your salvation!First, you are violating the command to not judge people by appearance since you are accusing me of having pride, which I dont have. Secondly the bible doesnt define faith as a work, therefore I am not taking credit for my salvation.Calvinist contradiction #88Calvinist: I PREFER Calvinism because I dont have to take credit for my own salvation.First, I didnt think truth was something you PREFERRED unless you are someone who has itching ears (2 Timothy 4:3). Secondly, are you taking credit for your own salvation?Calvinist contradiction #89Calvinist: You are being critical of doctrinally-sound teachers!I didnt realize teachers who have contradictory beliefs were considered doctrinally sound!Calvinist contradiction #90Calvinist: Your opposition to Calvinism is causing disunity among Christians (Romans 16:17) and its a bad witness for the world to see.First, you previously told me you dont know who the elect are, so suggesting we are all Christians is not something you would know.Secondly, Romans 16:17 says the division is being caused by DOCTRINES that are CONTRARY to what I have learned. Calvinism is CONTRARY to what I have learned, and in many cases, what Calvinists first learned before they were Calvinists.Thirdly, if Calvinism is true it makes no difference what kind of witness this is to the world. The elect will be elect and the unelect will be the unelect, nothing will change the fates of those whom God passes over for hell and chooses for heaven.Furthermore, if Calvinism is true my bad witnessing has been ordained by God so why get upset about what God has decreed me to say and do? Who are you to question God?Calvinist contradiction #91Calvinist: Im not lying when I preach the gospel to all. Christ commands me to preach the gospel to every creature.It is true Christ commands you to preach the gospel to everyone. However Im uncertain as to how that fact prevents you from lying to the unelect with offers of salvation God has no intention of giving them?Calvinist contradiction #92Calvinist: Who are you to question God?Im not questioning God Im questioning your interpretations. Do you think your interpretations of scripture are infallible?Calvinist: I never said I was infallible.You arent willing to be corrected when verses you interpret say one thing and other scriptures contradict that interpretation. So I assume you must think you are infallible and YOUR word stands forever instead of the Lords.Calvinist contradiction #93Calvinist: God can do anything at anytime.Can God cause sin? Can God contradict Himself? Can God violate His own justice?Calvinist: No.Are you suggesting Gods actions are limited by His nature and character?Calvinist: Yes.Then I guess God cant do anything at anytime.Calvinist contradiction #94Calvinist: When I preach the gospel to a crowd I preach like an Arminian.You mean you use verses in such a way as to imply salvation is for all when in fact you dont believe that, which means you are being a false witness for Christ?Calvinist contradiction #95Calvinist: Calvinists and non-Calvinists shouldnt divide over this doctrine since we all believe the same gospel.Is the gospel about who God is?Calvinist: What do you mean?The gospel describes the attributes of God doesnt it? His love, His justice, His mercy?Calvinist: Yes.Ok, so your god loves only some eternally and my God loves all eternally. Your god blames sinners for not believing a gospel that isnt meant for them since he didnt die for those sinners and my God blames sinners for not believing a gospel that is for them since He died for them. Therefore since the God I believe in behaves differently than yours with different motivations its obvious we have different gods and we do not believe the same gospels.Calvinist contradiction #96Calvinist: Youre an Arminian!No, actually Im not.Later in the conversation Calvinist: Youre an Arminian!I already told you Im not an Arminian.Later in the conversation Calvinist: Youre an Arminian!Apparently you think anyone who isnt a Calvinist is automatically an Arminian. You have been trained to think this way by reformed writers and preachers, so much so that you wont listen to what I am telling you.Calvinist contradiction #97A Calvinist on youtube.com: Adrian Rogers preaches an Arminian false gospel of free-will and therefore he preaches a false Christ and false god.From this point on his witnessing strategy to convert me was to assume what I believe and why I believe it without asking. He quoted verses and interpreted them according to a system of theology called Calvinism. If I dont believe his interpretation quote more verses, after all Gods word wont return void. If I give verses which contradict his verses ignore them and quote more because somehow this makes contradictions go away. When he gets backed into a theological corner he told me Im prideful (when Im not), that I dont understand Calvinism (when I do), that Im an Arminian (when Im not), and I must hate the sovereign God of the bible (when I dont). Then finally determine I am apostate because God hasnt caused me to believe him, pat himself on the back for persevering in the faith, and move on.His witnessing technique to convert me was not with the gospel, as God requires, but by showing me Calvinist doctrines! As if my belief in Calvinist doctrines will convert me instead of the gospel!Calvinist contradiction #98Calvinist: A person will never choose Christ and salvation, because he is at enmity to Him.People are separated from God because they have sinned (Isaiah 59:2 Romans 3:23) which means they are at enmity with Him, which has nothing to do with a person being able to make a choice to believe in Christ. Repentance is a change of mind where you dont want to be Gods enemy any longer!Calvinist contradiction #99Calvinist: I see no choice made in Saul/Pauls conversion. Jesus called, he responded: yes Lord!A response is a choice! Furthermore Saul did not have the Holy Spirit in him when he said: yes Lord since he didnt receive the Holy Spirit until three days later. How could Saul believe and obey Christ without the Holy Spirit in him? Answer: Sinners without the Holy Spirit CAN believe the truth if God presents it to them. This doesnt mean sinners always will but it does mean they can.Calvinist contradiction #100Calvinist: You have not listed any Scripture that states man has authority over Gods electing grace. Salvation is not by the will of man see John 1:12-13.First, I wouldnt say man has AUTHORITY over God, thats a false statement. God has ordained that any who believes in Him will be saved and any who do not will be damned. Anyone who follows one path or another is following Gods plan so to say man has AUTHORITY over God based on their belief or unbelief is an irrational statement that comes from man-made traditions.Secondly, its ironic you listed John 1:12-13 since it contradicts your ideas. John 1:12-13 says as many as RECEIVED HimRECEPTION is the keyan act of the sinners willwithout that there is no conversion! The part in the verse you are focusing on that says nor the will of man CANNOT include believing the gospel since sinners are called from Genesis to Revelation to believe in the gospel and the savior.The meaning behind nor the will of man is no different than what Jesus said here:John 10:1, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.Did the people at the tower of Babel try to enter heaven by building a tower to heaven? Yes. Did Cain try to gain favor with God by inventing his own sacrifice? Yes. Mankind cannot enter Gods heaven by any means they want to. Sinners cannot invent their own ideas on how to enter because its not our heaven, its Gods and HE makes the rules on how to enter it. You cannot enter by bypassing the gate, and this is what that phrase nor the will of man means.For further clarification lets say I decide to invent my own way to Heaven by throwing a stuffed teddy bear on the floor and dance around it. Will that get me to heaven? No. Why? Because its not the will of God that I do that, its MY WILLthe WILL OF MAN. Its not Gods will that sinners invent their own way to heaven!The phrase nor the will of man cannot mean BELIEVING THE GOSPEL because if it did it nullifies the hundred or so scriptures that say to do just that, which is GODS WILL!Calvinist contradiction #101Calvinist: God preserves you until the end and if He didnt you would fall back into unbelief and rebellion. God does it all.Do you still sin today?Calvinist: Yes.Then I guess God isnt preserving you very well.Calvinist contradiction #102Would you read the Message Bible?Calvinist: No, thats a terrible bible to read! Its a paraphrase and not Gods words.Ok, what do you believe about election?Calvinist: If you want to understand election try reading Potters Freedom by James White.Why would I read books that tell me what the bible says which is the same as a paraphrase and not Gods words directly from the Scriptures? You might as well read the Message Bible!Calvinist contradiction #103Calvinist: The theology you defend is opposed to the teachings of Ignatius, Tertullian, Augustine, Wycliffe, Hus, Owen, Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Melanchthon, Bunyan, Whitefield, Edwards, Spurgeon, Jones, Boice, Sproul, MacArthur, Piper, and countless others including Jesus and the Apostle Paul.So much for the concept of bible alone. I didnt know people outside the scriptures were infallible in everything they say. By the way Calvinists traditionally oppose Catholicism but you seem to be okay with believing Augustines doctrines who is considered the father of the modern Catholic church.Calvinist contradiction #104Calvinist: Dead sinners cannot bring themselves back to spiritual life and they cannot believe the gospel. Just like Lazarus cannot bring himself from the dead neither can a sinner.Jesus explained He did the miracle of raising Lazarus from the dead to prove He was the Messiah to the people witnessing it.John 11:42And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me.Where does it say in John 11 this miracle is to demonstrate people are unable to believe the gospel? You are adding meanings to events God never intended. The only place it says this is in the minds of reformed writers and preachers.Calvinist contradiction #105Calvinist: In Matthew 23:37 God isnt frustrated with sinners who dont come to Him since God does what He wants with whoever He wants. He is upset at their sinful rebellion, thats all.A plain reading of the verse doesnt fit what you just said. Jesus is clearly frustrated with the Jews who refuse to come to Him because he wants them to come to Him:Matthew 23:37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! HOW OFTEN I WANTED to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!Calvinist contradiction #106Calvinist: When a sinner wants to be saved from the power of sin God will cause him to turn to the savior for salvation.A sinner is UNABLE to have the desire to turn from sin or want to be saved BEFORE God causes him to turn to the savior, so you contradicted Calvinism. Furthermore I didnt realize Gods sovereignty was moved by the desires of a sinner since Calvinist election relies on nothing a sinner does or thinks.Calvinist contradiction #107Calvinist: Your arguments are based on emotions and not scripture.Later I show scriptures to validate what I am saying which produces from the Calvinist aggression, insults, and judging my heart, which are very strong emotions not based on scripture.Calvinist contradiction #108Calvinist: Calvinism is a controversial subject, so we dont talk about it.Later I find out these same people teach Calvinism in bible studies or online. Many dont call it Calvinism because that word is controversial but instead call it the doctrines of grace which makes it sound better. Who would be against grace?This is called deception, sneaking the doctrine in unawares, and the people who listen have no idea they are being indoctrinated into a man-made tradition of belief created by the Gnostics, adopted by Augustine and further developed by John Calvin nor are they presented with alternative interpretations.If Calvinists have to sneak the doctrine in under a different name to avoid controversy that shows how dishonest they are and are no better than a false teacher who HAS TO DECEIVE others in order for them to believe what they say.Furthermore it shows the nature of the god they serve by using deceit. After all, the god of Calvinism lies to the unelect using the gospel message with offers of salvation he has no intention of giving them.Jesus spoke the plain truth to everyone and didnt keep anything hidden or sneak something in by another name to make it more palatable.Maharishi Mahesh Yogi tried to bring Transcendental Meditation to the West in the 1960s and it received little acceptance among Americans because it was labeled as a religious practice which made it controversial. Later Maharishi relabeled it as a scientific practice and then it was accepted. Evolutionists do the same thing by changing the labels evolutionary theory to evolutionary science. Relabeling a controversial doctrine called Calvinism into the doctrines of grace or suggesting this comes directly from the bible when its really a man-made philosophical system or suggesting its a non-essential issue we can disagree on makes it easier for acceptance.I always thought it strange Calvinists would go through the trouble of doing this since they claim God will do what he wants to do anytime he wants to do it. Its as if God needs their help in sneaking the doctrine into the body of Christ.The bottom line is if you have to deceive people into believing something you are manipulating them instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to teach them.Calvinist contradiction #109Calvinist: There is no where in the bible that teaches people have free will.There are many that teach people must make a choice between following God or not, which suggest they have the free-will to do so. Here are a few:John 7:1717 If anyone wants to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority.Deuteronomy 30:1919 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;1 Kings 18:211 And Elijah came to all the people, and said, How long will you falter between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him. But the people answered him not a word.The ironic thing is Calvinists say sinners are unable to believe the truth with their free will but get mad at them for not believing the truth, acting as if they have the free-will to believe it!Calvinist contradiction #110Calvinist: We dont have free will to do whatever we want. If you wanted to fly like a bird by flapping your arms you cant. If you were driving to a church and the police were blocking your way you couldnt go. Or free-will is limited. Likewise an unbeliever doesnt have the free-will to believe.The nature of free-will has nothing to do with the ability to do something but the desire to do something. I may desire to drive to a church and wont make it because the police are blocking me. But that doesnt matter. I DESIRE to go to church. Likewise a sinner who cannot be perfect enough to enter heaven through their good works may have the DESIRE to enter, and this desire is demonstrated through belief in the gospel. This belief is an act of their will.Calvinist: The only desire sinners have is to sin! No one would choose Christ unless God intervenes.Its true God must bring the message of Himself to a world that cannot see Him, which is God intervening. However it is not true that once God does a sinner is UNABLE to believe what God told them. God has already given the sinner creation, conscience, the law, and prophecy to assist them. GOD MADE THE FIRST MOVE ALREADY. There are biblical examples of people who believe the truth without the Holy Spirit in them. (listed in other contradictions on this page)Calvinist contradiction #111Calvinist: You say our god is unloving because he creates people for hell, but you have the same problem. You believe God created people whom He knew would go to hell, so its unloving of God to create these people.You are trying to paint a picture that my God is just as unloving as yours it, that He is directly responsible for people who end up in hell. Lets take a quick look.In the Calvinist view God NEVER offers salvation to the unsaved because he hated them before they did anything good or bad, like Esau. Christ never died for them. There is NO eternal love for them by God. If someone goes to hell its because God stacked the deck against them.In the non-Calvinist view God OFFERS salvation to the unsaved because He loved EVERYONE before they did anything good or bad. Christ died for them ALL. There is eternal love for them by God. If someone goes to hell its because they rejected the LOVE of God through the gospel, when they could have accepted it.The Calvinist God NEVER loved them eternally, and the non-Calvinist God DOES. We believe in completely different gods with different personalities. They are not the same at all!Is my God DIRECTLY responsible for their eternal destiny in the SAME WAY yours is? Clearly not, since He gives everyone the full opportunity to be with Him in heaven, demonstrating His eternal love for them, when your god doesnt do a thing for them in this regard. I find it interesting you would try to make our beliefs the same. Deep down you KNOW the god of Calvinism is not very nice so you try to bring mine down to your level. Im certain God is angry at this comparison.Calvinist contradiction #112Calvinist: God hates the unelect.Later in the conversation Calvinst: God does love sinners. He gives them common grace. He gives them food, rain, clothing, shelter, and family while on Earth.Its a very strange thing for you to say God hates the unelect, he never died for them on the cross, he lets them be miserable and captive in their sins and then say God loves them because he gives them the resources to live for a time on the earth to carry out this miserable existence in sin God is keeping them in. You are trying to make your god seem better than he really is.Jesus said What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his soul? In other words, these temporary benefits dont really benefit!Calvinist contradiction #113Calvinist on youtube commenting on someone he witnessed to: I could see she had no idea she was a sinner, lived by her own set of rules and thought scripture was a joke. She had a Sunday school idea of God, has questions in her mind but had never searched the scriptures for answers, she didnt like that He didnt accept sodomites because shed been brainwashed to accept them, she thought muslims were nice people and didnt know what they believed. I perfectly understand why God has preordained her outcome.Did you notice he contradicted himself? He is suggesting God preordained her unbelief because ofher unbelief!Calvinist contradiction #114Calvinist: God can give someone a false faith that looks like real faith to damn them further.How do you know if YOU are saved?Calvinist: The only way to know if I have saving faith is if Im persevering in the faith.Your faith doesnt save, as the bible says it does, but the evidence of obedience does? Its too bad a false faith gives the same evidence which means you really can never know!Calvinist contradiction #115From a video Calvinis in reference to believing the gospel: I wasnt willing but I was always willing for God to make me willing.The desire to be willing is itself, faith in God. Faith is trust. You had faith and trust in God before you believed the gospel, something a total depraved sinner is incapable of doing according to Calvinism. It seems to me the idea of total depravity, as Calvinists define it, is in error.