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ukedchat Archive 29 March 2012Hosted by @janwebb21

How do schools ensure best practice and big

picture for developing ICT curriculum

ready for disapplication of pos?

20:00:01 ukedchatIt's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @janwebb21discussing 'How will schools develop ICT curriculumready for disapplication of pos?'

20:00:17 timjlittle#ukedchat how will Ofsted judge schools own criteria?

Safety says stick with the current stuff.

20:00:36 moreolivesThere is no same old, same old with ICT. We changeevery year anyway #ukedchat

20:00:50 janwebb21RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchatdiscussing 'How will schools develop ICT curriculumready for disapplication of pos?'

20:01:55 guildofteachingA colleague at Cranfield University has requestedinformation on any schools that are using i-pads inclassrooms? Please retweet #ukedchat

20:01:58 janwebb21 @moreolives soooooo true - and not like any othersubject! #ukedchat

20:02:28 mberryGove (bless him) talks about an open sourceapproach and a wiki curriculum. More bazaar thancathedral. More agile than waterfall. #ukedchat

20:03:29 eslwebMy concern is that an open source curriculum is anexcuse to teach nothing. #ukedchat

20:03:42 moreolives@janwebb21 will put more Scratch in at KS3 nowthough. So can develop programming skills over next

few years.#ukedchat

20:03:45 mberry@timjlittle 'broad and balanced' will be key. Aim forsomething better than the '99 or '07 versions. This isn't/that/ hard. #ukedchat

20:03:55 MrAColleyAny ICT teacher worth their salt was going above &beyond the POS quite a while ago. #ukedchat

20:04:14 eslweb@moreolives @janwebb21 I agree, Scratch is aresource that we could much more fully develop.#ukedchat

20:04:31 bevevans22 RT @MrAColley: Any ICT teacher worth their salt wasgoing above & beyond the POS quite a while ago.#ukedchat

20:04:34 janwebb21@mberry everyone knows how much I love wikis butmaybe not for curriculum! #ukedchat

20:04:41 mberry@eslweb We've got accountability on its head if wethink satisfying requirements more important thanteaching children. #ukedchat

20:04:46 moreolives@eslweb it will lead to a post code lottery of IT. ICT,Digital Literacy or Comp Sci based on teacher skills &preferences. #ukedchat

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20:04:50 mberryRT @MrAColley: Any ICT teacher worth their salt wasgoing above & beyond the POS quite a while ago.#ukedchat

20:04:54 richardblaize

#ukedchat - it's putting extra pressure on ICT teachers

to develop a broader curriculum or to not change theirexisting one at all.

20:05:14 janwebb21RT @mberry: @timjlittle 'broad and balanced' will bekey. Aim for something better... This isn't /that/ hard.#ukedchat

20:05:15 Catriona_O#ukedchat what does your ICT curriculum presentlylook like? is it embedded across the wider curric?Soryy - I don't know #ukedchat

20:05:18 eslweb @mberry I hope so, I really do! #ukedchat

20:05:35 moreolives @mracolley absolutely true! Well said :) #ukedchat20:05:39 chrisleach78

Taking part in #ukedchat tonight? Please check out#RethinkingICT conference http://t.co/Yri92Ceq :)

20:05:50 MrAColleyThere's already lots of debate around this with#ictcurric #digitalstudies and #rethinkingict. #ukedchat

20:05:51 mberry@eslweb @moreolives @janwebb21 check out MIT'sdraft Scratch 'curriculum': http://t.co/0qObcWEJ#ukedchat

20:06 janwebb21@moreolives @eslweb but don't forget the other tools

such as kodu, alice, etc #ukedchat

20:06:03 webman_RT @MrAColley: Any ICT teacher worth their salt wasgoing above & beyond the POS quite a while ago.#ukedchat

20:06:07 nickotkdIVRT @MrAColley: There's already lots of debatearound this with #ictcurric #digitalstudies and#rethinkingict. #ukedchat

20:06:14 Cre8tiveRobertRT @urban_teacher: Schools are a mini society thatreflect the larger society we live in. #ukedchat

#educhat

20:06:31 urban_teacherIts amazing the lengths schools go to save a studentfrom self destruction. The public need to hear theseuntold stories #ukedchat #edchat

20:06:46 nickotkdIVRT @urban_teacher: Schools are a mini society thatreflect the larger society we live in. #ukedchat#educhat

20:06:46 Catriona_Oare you talking about tools or curriculum tonight#ukedchat ? #stillclueless

20:06:47 MrAColleyRT @chrisleach78: Taking part in #ukedchat tonight?Please check out #RethinkingICT conference

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http://t.co/Yri92Ceq :)

20:06:54 MattSmith565#ukedchat trying to find the harmony between thecurriculum and new technology can be tricky anyway.Maybe it would lead to creativity

20:07 JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat all subjects in today's tech World could fill avoid

20:07:12 kanda_hh#ukedchat Have you given your opinion here?http://t.co/9Juy4cIc

20:07:22 eslweb@janwebb21 @moreolives Jan knows which is myfavourite... Kodu is very accessible, but Alice has asteeper learning curve. #ukedchat

20:07:22 richardblaizeRT @MrAColley: Any ICT teacher worth their salt wasgoing above & beyond the POS quite a while ago.

#ukedchat

20:07:26 DKeano1985#ukedchat with pupils described as digital natives,where is teaching to be taken. Will variety lead toinconsistency?

20:07:27 MrAColley@moreolives I didn't say it! I nicked it from@jpgreenwood! #ukedchat

20:07:32 maja_proleceRT @Spenceict: Just under an hour before the firstvirtual #TeachMeet on #Google+ ! 1900GMT #gta#ukedchat #edchat http://t.co/2C8fm7Il

20:07:44 mberry @janwebb21 Actually, I think they'd be ideal.Especially if pupils get editing privileges. Think agileco-production. #ukedchat

20:07:48 ICTEvangelist#ukedchat I think ICT shd give sts the skills they needto enhance their learning across the curric, in theirlives and in their futures

20:07:53 janwebb21@Catriona_O just goes to show that there is a needfor ict coordination in ALL schools #ukedchat

20:07:55 judeenright

#ukedchat Should we start at A Level and work

backwards to define our new attainment levels? ALevel ICT or A Level Computing?

20:08:07 bevevans22RT @ICTEvangelist: #ukedchat I think ICT shd givests the skills they need to enhance their learningacross the curric, in their lives and in their futures

20:08:23 catmill@Catriona_O Shame about England-specific topictonight, eh? Giving #ukedchat a miss tonight. :(

20:08:27 ICTEvangelist#ukedchat I also believe that ICT shd contain morethan just computing but a mix of it all, office / media /web / programming / audio

20:08:28 eslweb @moreolives That's my worry... #ukedchat

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20:08:55 kanda_hh@DKeano1985 I think that may well be the biggestproblem. Schools will either apply this brilliantly orterribly. #ukedchat

20:08:55 geraldhaigh1

@janwebb21 @mberry Seen Wikis in action in

primary, with LP+, developing collaborative writing.#ukedchat

20:09 JohnAHobson@urban_teacher Very true.But if you keep too manytroubled low achieving kids on role you become an

Academy who then chuck 'em out.#ukedchat

20:09:03 janwebb21@moreolives not necessarily - if we want to developtransferrable skills! thinking skills! not just reliance onone tool #ukedchat

20:09:04 syded06@ICTEvangelist are ICT teachers equipped with the

tools and knowledge for the future part? #ukedchat20:09:05 Catriona_O

@catmill I know - I'm just trying to make sense of it(and strugglling as you can see!) #ukedchat

20:09:06 moreolives@eslweb does it matter what programmingenvironment they start in at KS3 though? Aren't wesupposed to be just 'lighting the fire'?#ukedchat

20:09:22 ianaddisonI really hope that the new ICT curriculum doesn't justmean 'let's do computer science/programming', thereis much more to it #ukedchat

20:09:27 MrAColley I don't but the 'digital natives' thing completely. Not allof my pupils use ICT discerningly & skilfully withoutteaching. #ukedchat

20:09:30 MelissaHarvey18#ukedchat please could people complete my survey tohelp with ict dissertation http://t.co/hIHLcCy7 manythanks guys RT!

20:09:55 janwebb21@DKeano1985 it's the inconsistency that isconcerning some after all! #ukedchat

20:09:55 mberry@DKeano1985 variety /means/ inconsistency.Children /are/ different, so why should they be taughtthe same things the same way? #ukedchat

20:09:56 Catriona_O@catmill #ukedchat but that's not to say we can'tshare wisdom across borders

20:10:12 ICTEvangelist#ukedchat ICT is 1 of the most exciting subjects givenits constant evolution, this is also what makes it 1 ofthe most difficult

20:10:13 missnoor28RT @ICTEvangelist: #ukedchat I think ICT shd givests the skills they need to enhance their learningacross the curric, in their lives and in their futures

20:10:18 moreolives @ictevangelist yes, we will have 3 strands: Using ICT,

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Digital Literacy and Programming #ukedchat

20:10:40 janwebb21@geraldhaigh1 yes, I was using for that! and peerfeedback, international collaborations, afl, includedsound.... #ukedchat

20:10:53 ianaddison#ukedchat we do some coding/programming, but wedo loads of other exciting cool stuff - regardless of anew curriculum or not

20:10:55 Catriona_O@ICTEvangelist #ukedchat so why are most kids Iknow not totally fired up by ICT at school?

20:11:01 missnoor28RT @ICTEvangelist: #TMClevedon - May 3rd - win aniPod Touch / 500gb HD with a superb lineup ofspeakers http://t.co/7XO2xFtc #ukedchat ...

20:11:02 eslweb

@moreolives Scratch is reliable, works class platform

and designing characters engages the most quickly.Just ask my 8yr old #ukedchat

20:11:02 MrAColleyMy biggest concern is that each school will have acurric limited by teacher skill set. Esp where there arelots of non specs. #ukedchat

20:11:07 moreolives@syded06 @ICTEvangelist I know we aren't equippedto take Computer Science on #ukedchat

20:11:14 mberryRT @ICTEvangelist: #ukedchat I also believe that ICTshd contain more than just computing but a mix of it

all, office / media / web / programming / audio20:11:46 DWar

#ukedchat Agree with Ian, Gove's bett sp was a whim,a couple of weeks before he had no idea what to say.

20:11:55 ianaddisonyou do know that in primary we can teach gamedesign/coding now if we want to? Oh...many of usalready are #ukedchat

20:11:56 wayneghallDC"@judeenright: #ukedchat Should we start at A Level "& btec L3 I think that would be good.

20:11:56 moreolives@eslweb we have used with KS3 for a number of

years and seems to suit very well. #scratch #ukedchat

20:12:02 janwebb21RT @ianaddison: I hope new ICT curriculum doesn'tmean 'let's do computer science/programming', thereis much more to it #ukedchat

20:12:05 syded06@moreolives @ICTEvangelist we are currentlydeciding on exactly this point. Very tricky #ukedchat

20:12:08 infernaldepart@gideonwilliams i hope this is a great opp for ict and achance to be taken seriously across the school as asubject at all KS #ukedchat

20:12:16 eslweb@ianaddison @liamgh I liken it to to ICT Is learninghow to drive and CS is learning how to fix the engine.

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MUST drive first. #ukedchat

20:12:19 mberry@judeenright we don't have to have attainment levelsany more. Think projects, portfolios, badges, learnerspecific goals. #ukedchat

20:12:19 jonjwilliams #ukedchat sorry not done this before am i justfollowing twitter feed? or is there some feed?

20:12:23 infernaldepartRT @ICTEvangelist: #ukedchat ICT is 1 of the mostexciting subjects given its constant evolution, this isalso what makes it 1 of the most difficult

20:12:26 urban_teacherIf teachers are working harder than students there is aproblem. 85% Students 15% Teachers: should be thecorrect ratio. #ukedchat #edchat

20:12:26 jmmkthompson

RT @iEducator: Study: Kids prefer to 'Google it' than

ask teachers or parents http://t.co/V4G0CkBZ #edchat#ukedchat

20:12:29 ICTEvangelist@Catriona_O because they're bored of learning justMicrosoft Office? #ukedchat

20:12:36 andyhuttLet's not lose sight of the ability of ICT to fostercreativity and communication #ukedchat

20:12:49 Catriona_O@ICTEvangelist yep - that's not ICT, that's businessadmin, is it not? #ukedchat


#ukedchat - The problem with ICT is that students will

always be more savvy than the teachers. Newconcepts to a teacher can be old to them.

20:12:55 MrAColley@ICTEvangelist @missnoor28 I'd class that as more'technology to enhance learning' than the study of ICT.valuable though. #ukedchat

20:13:08 eslweb@ICTEvangelist @Catriona_O ..And yet so much ofCS could be taught with Excel ;) Only half joking.#ukedchat

20:13:20 ICTEvangelist@gideonwilliams depends where you work Mr

Williams #ukedchat20:13:26 janwebb21

@ianaddison and have been for a very long time! in across curricular context! #ukedchat

20:13:31 JohnAHobson@MrAColley My concern is that there will be NO ICTpast KsS4 if the recent report on Academies droppingit spreads. #ukedchat

20:13:42 DKeano1985#ukedchat @kanda_hh that's it. Inconsistency acrossschools can't be too positive

20:13:47 DWar#ukedchat I like the naace consult curric but is it tooconservative in scope?

20:13:58 aknill @MrAColley #ukedchat teacher skill set is always a

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limiter and access to tech.

20:14:07 ianaddisoni worry for the schools that do 'just office', a newcurriculum will make bugger all difference to them#ukedchat

20:14:20 infernaldepart@Catriona_O @ICTEvangelist depends on school nthe delivery. ICT is NOT boring but it is up to us toengage, motivate and enthuse #ukedchat

20:14:32 Catriona_O@eslweb @ICTEvangelist I'm no specialist( languages teacher meself) but is there a clearenough distinction ICT - CS? #ukedchat

20:14:33 janwebb21@geraldhaigh1 hazards of short spaces in tweets -oops! I was thinking along lines of too many cookswhen plannign curriculum #ukedchat

20:14:38 debbisimpson@Catriona_O @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat because it'sthe assessment that's boring/unchallenging, not thecurric or technology?

20:15:01 janwebb21@geraldhaigh1 which I hasten to add was more as adevil's advocate comment not done well! ;) #ukedchat

20:15:11 kanda_hh@DKeano1985 Does the government have a plan todeal with inconsistencies across schools then?#ukedchat

20:15:15 eslweb

@Catriona_O @ICTEvangelist ICT is using the

applications and Computer Science is making them.Only my view. #ukedchat

20:15:28 Click_JoeRoy#ukedchat all this fuss! we independents rewrote acurric a long time ago. it's liberating... enjoy it...

20:15:30 Catriona_ORT @joecar: @judeenright @Catriona_O @catmillhttp://t.co/bYHXcIx7 notes that put debate in context#ukedchat


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old POS was boring and unchallenging and out of datetoo! #ukedchat

20:16:03 moreolives@richardblaize Sorry, but think this is utter nonsense.If kids are so savvy why are we even having this

discussion? #ukedchat

20:16:19 eslweb@mberry That works with cars too... U wanna knowwhere the oil goes... ;) #ukedchat

20:16:25 janwebb21@DWar it's still a work in progress and being refinedin the light of consultation with members!!! #ukedchat

20:16:27 mberry@judeenright ZPD is unique to each learner/moment.If they can do/know/understand more than they did,they've made progress. #ukedchat


#ukedchat - Before ICT can move on there needs to

be some agreed recognition as to what ICT actuallyembodies and means to the stds/tchrs.

20:17:01 ianaddisonI 'redesigned' a primary ict curriculumhttp://t.co/gNMOgxFv but there's nothinggroundbreaking, it's all common sense #ukedchat

20:17:04 syded06@moreolives @richardblaize having witnessedstudents with new tech recently I'm not sure they areas savvy as we think #ukedchat

20:17:06 wayneghallDC

"...learning how to drive and CS is learning how to fix

the engine.#ukedchat". No its more like how to designthe engine.

20:17:20 infernaldepart@ianaddison @TomSale i agree and with no LEAsupport ICT could disappear in such schools which isand will be a tragic waste #ukedchat

20:17:31 janwebb21 soooo true@ianaddison #ukedchat

20:17:49 janwebb21@infernaldepart that's why we are teachers....#ukedchat

20:18:02 Catriona_O

#ukedchat - OK I'm NO expert at all, but I think that

like languages, ICT/tech can b an underpinning kindofsubject. a medium 4 other stuff?

20:18:17 janwebb21@Catriona_O lots of current debates going on aboutthat! m #ukedchat

20:18:17 judeenright@JohnAHobson @mberry #ukedchat and studentslike A* grades at GCSE and A Level

20:18:18 eslweb@urban_teacher @teachinghumans In lessons yes,but we need to make sure our own knowledge is up todate. #ukedchat

20:18:22 infernaldepart@janwebb21 yes but ive been into and heard of manyschools where this is not the case Jan #ukedchat

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20:18:26 MrAColley@janwebb21 It's one strand yes, the ICTAC bit. Beenreading up in more detail in prep for tonight ;).#ukedchat

20:18:39 ianaddisonwho do schools go to for advice and support? LEA?

local schools? #ukedchat

20:18:44 paulhaighRT @moreolives: @click_joeroy I think we all rewrotethe pos a long time ago. Just no-one owned up it.#ukedchat

20:18:44 janwebb21@geraldhaigh1 no (sticking with a simple answer tothat one!) or should it be yes? #ukedchat

20:18:44 jemimaandersonRT @ianaddison: I redesigned a primary ict curriculumhttp://t.co/1Npxv6xU but theres nothinggroundbreaking, its all common sense #ukedchat

20:18:49 kanda_hh We are discussing all the potential issues ... what arethe solutions? Can we have them yet? #ukedchat

20:18:49 aknill@ianaddison I love to see the diversity at primary -secondaries often have a lot to learn #ukedchat .

20:18:49 moreolives@aknill the basics of using ICT still really important.100% of students need this if only to access otherparts of the curriculum #ukedchat

20:19:03 ianaddison@infernaldepart @TomSale makes sense. We have 3

ASTs for 450primary schools! #ukedchat (they're

bloody amazing)

20:19:07 eslwebRT @moreolives: @click_joeroy I think we all rewrotethe pos a long time ago. Just no-one owned up it.#ukedchat

20:19:17 MrAColley@ICTEvangelist @missnoor28 Agreed, and doeseverybody need everything? #ukedchat

20:19:31 jemimaanderson@ianaddison I will be showing my primary colleaguesthis link tomorrow. Super! https://t.co/xcCopgHK#ukedchat

20:19:32 syded06 @richardblaize @moreolives perhaps although theyare naive to context and safety #ukedchat

20:19:37 moreolives@syded06 @richardblaize think we must not assumethey are savvy. I've not seen a lot of evidence for it.#ukedchat

20:19:37 infernaldepart@kanda_hh there are solutions out there and anumber of us are working on it now #digitalstudies#ukedchat

20:19:40 Catriona_O@janwebb21 Thanks Jan I get the feeling I'm in adifferent zone tonight! Not clued up enough. Will let uget on - good luck #ukedchat

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20:19:55 StephenLev@richardblaize #ukedchat I agree about savvy studentskills but perhaps not as savvy in application or indeploying those skills.

20:20:01 MattSmith565

#ukedchat Delivery focused on skills that align with

tech they are using and will be using. There is a needto teach the basic progs

20:20:03 ianaddison@teachesict because sometimes face-to-face isbetter. It's nice to meet real people too right?#ukedchat

20:20:10 DWar@Click_JoeRoy #ukedchat yes agreed, definitelygood to reboot though not sure ditching pos isunquestionably good

20:20:17 mberry

@wayneghallDC too much ICT has been like learning

to be a passenger. Program or be programmed - qvhttp://t.co/fnFd89U6 @rushkoff #ukedchat

20:20:21 moreolives@aknill @ianaddison secondaries have an exam specto keep in mind though #ukedchat

20:20:22 kanda_hh@ianaddison I know all our LEA ICT support isdisappearing.I used to find the steering groups souseful for keeping up to date etc #ukedchat

20:20:28 MrAColleyRT @teachesict: @MrAColley use #rethinkingict tocreate support groups to mentor less experienced

teachers #ukedchat > GREAT idea!20:20:42 aknill

@moreolives #ukedchat ICT use needed at schooland for the work place- they won't all be coding

20:20:51 asober@ianaddison that sounds like an interesting commentwhen made on Twitter ;-) #ukedchat

20:21:05 janwebb21@Catriona_O there are aspects of ICT - digital literacyfor example - that need other curriculum contexts forlearning! like mfl!! #ukedchat

20:21:09 ianaddison@kanda_hh ours was the opposite, LEA supportgroups were behind the times, dull even #ukedchat

20:21:14 mberry@judeenright @JohnAHobson True 'nough, but howuseful is an A* in ICT? Contribs to FLOSS projectsand iOS apps another matter. #ukedchat

20:21:21 eslweb@moreolives @click_joeroy Yeah, like the controlmodule... Clearly a Spaceship needed to beCONTROLLED http://t.co/Ttu3ZJ0m #ukedchat

20:21:22 russellwarehamNeed some office skills although I'd prefer opensource, with computer science i.e. programming,taking apart and app dev. #ukedchat

20:21:32 judeenright @richardblaize #ukedchat the skill of systems analysis

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once mastered never goes out of date

20:21:41 ianaddison@asober haha, you know what I mean! Sometimesmeeting people is cool. Virtual biscuits are rubbish ;-)#ukedchat

20:21:51 aknill @moreolives @ianaddison #ukedchat true the examspec and targets drive so much of what we o.

20:21:55 brynllLet's not forget to consult with the learnersthemselves. Great examples at http://t.co/OngnF4TH#ukedchat

20:22 janwebb21RT @moreolives: @aknill the basics of using ICT stillreally important. 100% of students need this if only toaccess curriculum #ukedchat

20:22:07 infernaldepart

@MrAColley @teachesict worry as @deputymitchell

pointed out is Twitter only acc for small %of teachers.Sure many others but.... #ukedchat

20:22:11 mberry@kanda_hh Such a shame. But can't you run yourown steering group? Enough expertise to go round?#ukedchat @ianaddison

20:22:16 jackieschneider Im not sure I know what ICT actually is #ukedchat

20:22:22 andyhuttBest s/sheet lesson I ever saw, the teacher gave thekids a broken s/sheet and said "fix it" - put them in thedriving seat more? #ukedchat

20:22:28 russellwareham Digital Leaders are a great ideas for trying aspectsout, and then developing further #ukedchat #dlchat

20:22:29 moreolives@aknill totally agree. 99% will need basic skills &digital literacy. Very few will get into coding #ukedchat.Just need a good mix

20:22:39 kanda_hh@ianaddison So another source of inconsistency thatneeds to be dealt with too-without schools payingexcessively for the support! #ukedchat

20:22:43 ianaddison

@mberry i was told that I wasn't allowed to. Or I could,

but I wasn't allowed to use LEA contact routes toadvertise #ukedchat

20:22:44 janwebb21@StephenLev absolutely - need to be able to chooseto use! #ukedchat

20:22:49 mberryRT @infernaldepart: @kanda_hh there are solutionsout there and a number of us are working on it now#digitalstudies #ukedchat

20:22:49 heartofsolRT @ianaddison: who do schools go to for advice andsupport? LEA? local schools? #ukedchat

20:23:02 aknill@MrAColley @teachesict #ukedchat mentoring /support also linking in with #digitalleadersnetwork

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development, see #DLchat at 9 after this

20:23:05 ianaddison@mberry we have investigated using the post andwriting letters to all local schools to get them along!#ukedchat

20:23:07 mberryRT @aknill: @ianaddison I love to see the diversity atprimary - secondaries often have a lot to learn#ukedchat .

20:23:07 brynllLet's not forget to consult with the learnersthemselves. Great examples at http://t.co/07d4jvsm#ukedchat

20:23:19 StephenLev#ukedchat distressed to see many colleagues fallinginto trap of assuming that some schools just deliverMS Office. Surely an urban myth.

20:23:22 JohnAHobson@mberry @judeenright ICT gcse is like watching paintdry. They still want kids to make mistakes they correctand screenshot . #ukedchat

20:23:32 janwebb21 @catmill sorry about that!!! @Catriona_O #ukedchat

20:23:42 asoberI believe ICT should be taught through subjects andnot as a subject! #ukedchat

20:24:02 mberry@ianaddison I know. But when the LAs disappear thecapacity within the community still remains, & theywon't be able to stop you. #ukedchat

20:24:10 janwebb21 @dgilmour does this help set the scene?http://t.co/hhcbEEvq #ukedchat

20:24:17 paulhaigh@ianaddison #ukedchat #teachingschools arepreparing today to support the system in this fieldwhich started with the new tech advis board

20:24:22 syded06If the curriculum should prepare them for the futurethen we may struggle second guessing 5 years time?#ukedchat

20:24:29 eslweb

@StephenLev It should be a part, but JUST a part...

#ukedchat My students still love the interactive storymodules based on #powerpoint

20:24:32 ICTEvangelist@MrAColley @missnoor28 everyone should have ataste, not everyone should continue. That's whatoptions are for... #ukedchat

20:24:37 ianaddison@mberry true, but I only have email adds for HTs,often I can't get emails to the ppl I want to get them to.Hence the letters #ukedchat

20:24:40 wayneghallDC"@mberry: Program or be programmed - qvhttp://t.co/x4Ob55Mq @rushkoff #ukedchat" will look itup thnx

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20:24:42 nickotkdIV @asober is this in all key stages? #ukedchat

20:24:50 UKCHAZ@ianaddison #ukedchat my school has moved intoCPD delivery for other schools this year as a result ofLEA #decimation

20:24:58 janwebb21@moreolives but there are lots of things that candevelop logical thinking and make coding less scary#ukedchat

20:25:10 asober@StephenLev well, I suppose it is the majority though.In all schools I worked in and visited that was thecase! #ukedchat

20:25:11 jemimaandersonIn primary, 2 barriers to broader ICT curriculum/useare access to technology and ability of staff to keeppace with change. #ukedchat

20:25:12 judeenright#ukedchat @mberry @johnahobson Dom't knowabout current ICT spec, but if more of uk ppl had ALComp NHS systems mess up we not have happened

20:25:13 mberry@andyhutt This works for many things. Tinkering asknowledge building. Wikis and open source good forthis too. #ukedchat

20:25:18 kanda_hh@asober Yes of course, but when does the teachingof the skills happen? Not all ch are confident enoughto apply so quickly #ukedchat

20:25:27 jackieschneider Do all primary schools actually TEACH ICT? I'm notconvinced #ukedchat

20:25:30 ianaddison@UKCHAZ we still have some LEA advisors, but theirmeetings are held in school time! we can't affordsupply. #ukedchat

20:25:35 StephenLev @eslweb #ukedchat Indeed-it has lots of uses.

20:25:39 ICTEvangelist@gideonwilliams not every teacher or school is born /managed equally #ukedchat

20:25:40 SheliBB

@russellwareham Much needed too with our

diminishing support systems (like advisers and ASTs)#ukedchat

20:25:43 moreolives@JohnAHobson @mberry @judeenright part of theproblem is that no-one has ever worked out how tosuccessfully assess ICT #ukedchat

20:26:06 wayneghallDC"@asober: I believe ICT should be taught throughsubjects and not as a subject! #ukedchat" yes

20:26:13 johnmayo @ianaddison go video conference #ukedchat

20:26:28 StephenLev@asober #ukedchat Well, you could knock me down..Surely inexcusable!

20:26:29 janwebb21 @asober I would qualify that by saying "parts of ICT"

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should be taught through other subjects #ukedchat

20:26:33 urban_teacherTechnology and ICT Curriculum go hand in hand, theproblem we had before was ICT was playing catch upto the Technology. #ukedchat

20:26:33 syded06@moreolives @richardblaize we use tech more nowthan ever. What will it be like in the future? Teach ICTacross all subjects? #ukedchat

20:26:43 eslweb@wayneghallDC @asober In an ideal world, but mostteachers don't know enough ICT to successfully use itthemselves... #ukedchat

20:26:53 DWar@mberry yes, program or be programmed is apowerful rationale for anchoring learning in gettinghands on the means of production! #ukedchat

20:27 eslwebRT @janwebb21: @asober I would qualify that bysaying "parts of ICT" should be taught through othersubjects #ukedchat

20:27:04 gamesbritanniaRT @chrisleach78: Taking part in #ukedchat tonight?Please check out #RethinkingICT conferencehttp://t.co/Yri92Ceq :)

20:27:05 davidhunter#ukedchat tech.what allows the workplace to move-both 4 us and learners.but how do we cater for chnwho do not have access?unfair? #ukedchat

20:27:31 geraldhaigh1 Embed or teach separately. We've been here before,not just ICT. Usual way is a combination. Some skillsneed specific attention. #ukedchat

20:27:45 teachingofsci

#ukedchat interested in ict use by students out ofschool? would be grateful forcomments/publicity/RTs/guest posts forhttp://t.co/mNXIrdbi

20:27:46 carolinebreyley@Catriona_O @catmill Another #ukedchat subjectthat makes me glad I moved north of the border!

20:27:49 jackieschneider Do many schools use music to teach ICT? #ukedchat

20:27:51 janwebb21@syded06 that is so true - and exactly why we needto develop transferrable high level thinking skills as apriority #ukedchat

20:27:52 UKCHAZ#ukedchat We're linked with #edgehilluniversity anddeliver training and support for #ECC,#1stclass@number as well as other maths & #PE cpd

20:27:53 mberry@judeenright Quite. That's why computing should bepart of every child's entitlement, not just those who optin at GCE #ukedchat

20:27:53 eslweb @geraldhaigh1 Agreed. #ukedchat

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20:28 aknill@syded06 @moreolives @richardblaize crosscurricular ICT use and teaching is so dependent onteacher skill set #ukedchat

20:28:01 ProfTentacles

#ukedchat we're trying to get schools in local area to

agree local curriculum to take into account localneeds.

20:28:02 asober@nickotkdIV @kanda_hh certainly in all KS for ICT!For Computing it is another story! #ukedchat

20:28:26 judeenright@moreolives:part of the problem is that no-one hasever worked out how to successfully assess ICT#ukedchat old A Level Computing spec did

20:28:49 janwebb21@eslweb @asober there needs to be somefocused/strategic approach so learners have balance

#ukedchat

20:28:51 mberry@DWar Yes! The means of production anddistribution in the hands of the people. Who'd havethought it. #ukedchat

20:28:58 MrAColleySo what overarching themes should make up the 'new'POS? Digital literacy? Computing? ICT? Computerskills for Geography? #ukedchat

20:29:02 asober@kanda_hh @nickotkdIV For example think about theapplications of Physics in designing computer games,

etc... #ukedchat

20:29:16 andyhutt@mberry agreed - but needs real and meaningfultasks/activities/purposes too. All too often just pretendlearning #ukedchat

20:29:18 debbisimpson@wayneghallDC @asober and risk being droppedaltogether as expensive & "hard to do" #ukedchat

20:29:27 nickotkdIV@asober @kanda_hh Agreed. we use ICT in allsubjects and for all ages Foundation onwards#ukedchat

20:29:37 janwebb21@moreolives is it the ICT we are assessing or thelearning? the thinking? the problem solving?#ukedchat

20:29:44 SheliBB@aknill @syded06 @moreolives @richardblaize mucheasier to do cross curricular ICT stuff in primaryschools as well I think #ukedchat

20:29:45 lshs_netman

RT @richardblaize: #ukedchat - The problem with ICTis that students will always be more savvy than theteachers. New concepts to a teacher can be old tothem.

20:29:48 ianaddison I blogged about my thoughts for changing the way we

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do ICT http://t.co/MhiAkk1V #ukedchat

20:29:49 jemimaandersonICT especially needs forward thinking teacher leaderswho drive curriculum/change and staff willing to givenew ideas a go. #ukedchat

20:29:53 wayneghallDC"@eslweb: ..most teachers don't know enough ICT tosuccessfully use it themselves... #ukedchat" that saysmore about them than curriculum.

20:29:54 Matt_Maynes#ukedchat What video editing software is your schoolusing with Key Stage 2 children? Anyrecommendations?

20:30:25 MrAColley@JohnAHobson Haven't seen that report. Got a link?#ukedchat

20:30:26 jackieschneiderAre computer rooms dead in the water these days?

#ukedchat

20:30:33 Smichael920#ukedchat some great work going on in many schoolsbut landscape uneven. With dwindling role of LAssch2sch support v important

20:30:35 eslweb@janwebb21 @moreolives I'd like to think that ICTcould be one of the big guns that can be used forthose skills #ukedchat

20:30:44 Catriona_O #ukedchat - should it be a subject at all? #ict

20:30:51 JohnAHobson

@wayneghallDC @asober I believe ICT should be

taught through subjects and not as a subject!#ukedchat" But it's not! Need specialists

20:30:51 Click_JoeRoy@MrAColley #ukedchat I have 6 themes in my curric,posted on my blog (check later) but not digitalliteracy....

20:30:52 syded06@janwebb21 maybe staff would benefit across theschool to? #ukedchat

20:30:56 janwebb21absolutely! Need a bit of both in the approach!!!@geraldhaigh1 #ukedchat

20:31:01 asober @janwebb21 @eslweb @debbisimpson I think someteachers are too quick at hiding away from ICTbecause it is taught as a subjects #ukedchat

20:31:07 StephenLevRT @janwebb21: @eslweb @asober there needs tobe some focused/strategic approach so learners havebalance #ukedchat

20:31:09 lfoltos@asober: I believe ICT should be taught throughsubjects and not as a subject! #ukedchat Our focusshould be the task and pegagogy

20:31:11 eslweb@jackieschneider NO... Mine is full of students frombeginning of school right through to dinner...

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#ukedchat

20:31:13 debbisimpsonRT @janwebb21: @moreolives is it the ICT we areassessing or the learning? the thinking? the problemsolving? #ukedchat

20:31:15 jemimaanderson @MrAColley I love this ICT curriculum link designedby @ianaddison https://t.co/xcCopgHK #ukedchat

20:31:28 mberry@andyhutt agreed. Check out http://t.co/mi7SlXpV forone real world approach for 13-17s. #ukedchat

20:31:29 urban_teacherThe problem with the ICT Cur it needs more time to bedeveloped! I think trying change it so quick is a knee

jerk reaction! #ukedchat

20:31:30 DKeano1985

RT @wayneghallDC: "@eslweb: ..most teachers don'tknow enough ICT to successfully use it themselves...

#ukedchat" that says more about them thancurriculum.

20:31:31 andyhutt@russellprue Too right, they're more 'expert' than wegive them credit for;-) #ukedchat

20:31:33 syded06@aknill @moreolives @richardblaize agreed. Verydifficult to make this a reality #ukedchat

20:31:34 nickotkdIV@asober @kanda_hh agreed. we have ICT in allPrimary subjects. On all planning there is space formandatory ICT links #ukedchat

20:31:37 UKCHAZ #ukedchat anyone in NE & Cumbria looking forpedagogical based training for #maths and #PE pmme...

20:31:49 jackieschneiderAny one else agree that bloody awful MLE put staffright off using ICT? #ukedchat #scaredoffronter

20:32:01 janwebb21@syded06 @asober yes - need to develop skills andconfidence for ALLL staff #ukedchat

20:32:07 aknill@MrAColley #ukedchat themes -coding/programming; digital literacy; social ICT; work

skills - office; new frontiers (GIS, apps, mobile tech)

20:32:09 davidhunter#ukedchat werent computers invented 2make lifeeasier?a means to an end,ICT should always be usedto solve probs,not for ICTs sake #ukedchat

20:32:25 coopsonia

RT @teachingofsci: #ukedchat interested in ict use bystudents out of school? would be grateful forcomments/publicity/RTs/guest posts forhttp://t.co/mNXIrdbi

20:32:26 judeenright@MrAColley #ukedchat I keep thinking content ratherthan themes: HTML, systems analysis and design foran end user, sub routines and loops

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20:32:27 StephenLev@ProfTentacles #ukedchat That sounds fascinationg-specially with local employer input too.

20:32:39 janwebb21RT @jackieschneider: Are computer rooms dead inthe water these days? #ukedchat

20:32:42 asober@lfoltos indeed! Pedagogy first and that's exactly whyICT should be embedded in subjects, as it should bean enabler #ukedchat

20:32:52 jackieschneider

RT @davidhunter: #ukedchat werent computersinvented 2make life easier?a means to an end,ICTshould always be used to solve probs,not for ICTssake #ukedchat

20:32:55 aknill@SheliBB @syded06 @moreolives @richardblaize#ukedchat cross curricular at primary - have to agree,

should I switch?

20:33:02 raisechildrens#ukedchat my fav ICT experience was doing a simpleICT course 12 years ago, where you had to be able touse a CDRom in order to access it!

20:33:02 Click_JoeRoy#ukedchat i believe ICT teaching should have contextbut has elements that can not be taught through othersubjects

20:33:10 jackieschneider @davidhunter - agree! #ukedchat

20:33:14 nickotkdIV

RT @syded06 @moreolives @richardblaize cross

curricular ICT use and teaching is so dependent onteacher skill set #ukedchat

20:33:17 moreolives@janwebb21 I assess problem-solving & skills. ICT ISall about problem solving. At KS4 endless screenshotsstifle creativity #ukedchat

20:33:19 MrAColleyRT @jemimaanderson: I love this ICT curriculum linkdesigned by @ianaddison https://t.co/jhjbQewp#ukedchat


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about english #ukedchat

20:33:58 Rob_CrillyRT @jemimaanderson: @MrAColley I love this ICTcurriculum link designed by @ianaddisonhttps://t.co/xcCopgHK #ukedchat

20:34 raisechildrens #ukedchat and that was a gov initiative!

20:34:06 syded06@aknill @SheliBB @moreolives @richardblaize wouldtablet technology help this situation or not? #ukedchat

20:34:09 Smichael920Absolutely! RT @janwebb21: @syded06 @asober yes- need to develop skills and confidence for ALLL staff#ukedchat

20:34:10 aknill@richardblaize @syded06 @moreolives #ukedchatfully agreed use ICT everywhere but need corespecialists

20:34:11 StephenLev@jackieschneider #ukedchat KS 1/2 like them for bulkdelivery of skills. Handy for building/maintainingmachines too!

20:34:32 DKeano1985#ukedchat @wayneghallDC I agree. Do teachers havesufficient knowledge? I was asked the other day howto attach to an email?

20:34:47 jackieschneiderI only use so much ICT cos of the power it gives me -not cos I'm interested in how it works #ukedchat

20:35:02 MattSmith565

@janwebb21 @syded06 @asober not just how they

teach it but in the technology used. Trying to break the'stick with what you know' #ukedchat

20:35:07 Matt_Maynes#ukedchat Anyone recommend good video cameras touse with Primary school children? Must have USBconnection and external mic input

20:35:08 asober@debbisimpson isn't that why we have a LiteracyStrategy? #ukedchat

20:35:08 teachingofsci#ukedchat ict as cross curricular likenumeracy/literacy, *also* studied for own sake?

20:35:10 mberry Does (y)our current approach to ICT focus too muchon skills rather than knowledge or understanding?#ukedchat

20:35:12 janwebb21@asober yes, it should be an enabler in other subjectsbut WON'T develop what learners need if that is theironly experience #ukedchat

20:35:14 judeenright#ukedchat Spend one lesson on MS Office or the like:how to use the help facility. Students use that forwhatever they need, any subject.

20:35:14 SheliBB@richardblaize @aknill @syded06 @moreolivesaccess to tech (and therefore skills) differs greatly

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across schools though #ukedchat

20:35:16 aknill@syded06 @shelibb @moreolives @richardblaize#ukedchat cost a limiter for tablets at secondary

20:35:26 Smichael920

iMovie here! RT @mberry: @Matt_Maynes We

recommend Movie Maker. Would recommend iMovie ifthere were more mac schools out there. #ukedchat

20:35:29 Click_JoeRoy#ukedchat we, by the fact that we are here, are theadvance skilled and visionaries... how are we going toshare our skills?

20:35:34 nickotkdIVRT @jackieschneider I only use so much ICT cos ofthe power it gives me - not cos I'm interested in how itworks #ukedchat

20:35:38 mikallaane

RT @infernaldepart: @kanda_hh there are solutions

out there and a number of us are working on it now#digitalstudies #ukedchat

20:35:40 andyhutt@janwebb21 @mberry Thnks - will check;-)#ukedchat

20:35:43 janwebb21RT @Click_JoeRoy: i believe ICT teaching shouldhave context but has elements that can not be taughtthrough other subjects #ukedchat

20:35:53 jemimaanderson@ianaddison how far are you from Glasgow? I wantyou to come to my primary school and inspire us!!

#ukedchat

20:35:53 jackieschneider@Queen_Claire @janwebb21 - lots of neighbouringprimaries abandoning in favour of trollies of netbooks#ukedchat

20:35:56 wayneghallDC#ukedchat my college is moving away from content toprojects. Real employers are onboard and localschools are following with interest.

20:36:11 janwebb21RT @geraldhaigh1: Not in my experience. ClassroomICT, mobile devices, computer rooms co-existing andwill do for some time. #ukedchat

20:36:15 mikallaaneRT @ICTEvangelist: #ukedchat ICT is 1 of the mostexciting subjects given its constant evolution, this isalso what makes it 1 of the most difficult

20:36:20 acareoandyTeaching application of IT shld be thru' all lessons.Teaching computer science, how to programme is asubject in its own right #ukedchat

20:36:41 mberry@jackieschneider but shouldn't a liberal education inthe 21st C include some grasp of how it works? Likepoetry and, ahem, music? #ukedchat

20:36:45 nickotkdIV @jackieschneider Do you believe this or do you just

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underestimate what you acturally use/do with ICT?#ukedchat

20:36:50 russellwarehamStill like open source but Microsoft / Adobe / Appleshould < cost for schools and gain back in the

workplace with improved skills #ukedchat

20:36:53 janwebb21@jackieschneider I would say the greater the flexibilityand multi=tasking options the better! #ukedchat

20:37:09 wayneghallDCRT @nickotkdIV: RT @jackieschneider I only use somuch ICT cos of the power it gives me - not cos I'minterested in how it works #ukedchat

20:37:15 ProfTentacles.@StephenLev Difficulty is that current environmentdoes not encourage cooperation like that. Difficult sell.#ukedchat

20:37:18 acareoandy @Matt_Maynes FlipCams. Even our infants can usethem #UKEdChat

20:37:20 SheliBB@richardblaize @aknill @moreolives @syded06 wean ex pupil visit who was having to 'learn' powerpointagain having done it in yr 2 #ukedchat

20:37:20 teachingofsci@judeenright #ukedchat or have older ict studentsproduce an msoffice help wiki in student friendlylanguage? Accessible, useful for all

20:37:36 eslweb

@teachesict @ianaddison I've tried to share what I

can on http://t.co/BSEML177 #ukedchat But can't doeverything all of the time.

20:37:53 janwebb21RT @mberry: Does (y)our current approach to ICTfocus too much on skills rather than knowledge orunderstanding? #ukedchat

20:37:59 MrAColleyHave you seen the great blog posts by at #ict500?http://t.co/tRC8Y0AH #ukedchat

20:38:12 emmaannhardyRT @asober: @lfoltos indeed! Pedagogy first andthat's exactly why ICT should be embedded insubjects, as it should be an enabler #ukedchat

20:38:13 syded06@aknill @shelibb @richardblaize i know tablets areexpensive now but in 4/5 years? Will current 11 yearolds every use desktops? #ukedchat

20:38:13 janwebb21RT @nickotkdIV: RT @jackieschneider I only use somuch ICT cos of the power it gives me - not cos I'minterested in how it works #ukedchat

20:38:17 SheliBB@syded06 @aknill @moreolives @richardblaize tablettech great if it continues from primary to secondary#ukedchat

20:38:26 russellwareham RT @MrAColley: Have you seen the great blog posts

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by at #ict500? http://t.co/tRC8Y0AH #ukedchat

20:38:30 MrAColley@aknill Haven't heard the new frontiers idea before.Nice! :) #ukedchat

20:38:34 Kezmerrelda

@Matt_Maynes flip cams are great easy to use for

nursery up though hd format so need good editingsoftware if want to edit #ukedchat

20:38:35 ScrubyEnglishRT @ukedchat: It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with@janwebb21 discussing 'How will schools developICT curriculum ready for disapplication of pos?'

20:38:42 judeenright#ukedchat Are there many eg s of things best taught inICT lessons other than systems analysis and designand programming skills?

20:38:44 dakinane

RT @jackieschneider: Are computer rooms dead in

the water these days? #ukedchat@jackieschneiderYes! Computers at the point of learning!

20:38:47 davidhunter@Matt_Maynes I'd go SD for most of them.HD willsoon fill up all your space and older machines won'tplay back ;) #ukedchat

20:39:17 Rob_CrillyRT @jackieschneider: I only use so much ICT cos ofthe power it gives me - not cos I'm interested in how itworks #ukedchat

20:39:28 StephenLev

@ProfTentacles #ukedchat Yes, I can see that. Would

like to think employers would jump at chance to get aready-trained workforce.

20:39:29 wayneghallDC"@acareoandy: @Matt_Maynes FlipCams. Even ourinfants can use them #UKEdChat" & iPod touches

20:39:37 Catriona_O@syded06 tablets on ebay coming down in price dayby day! we are watching! #ukedchat had 3 androidtabs in recent yrs

20:39:44 mberryRT @wayneghallDC: #ukedchat my college is movingaway from content to projects. Real employers areonboard and local schools are following with interest.

20:39:45 nickotkdIV#ukedchat people seem to use ICT for two differentreasons 1. to enhance the teaching and learningexperience 2. To show OFF!!

20:39:58 Click_JoeRoy#ukedchat has anyone asked their pupils what theywant to learn? recommend it...

20:40:02 urban_teacherICT: learnging how to drive a car. Computing: learninghow to design & make your own car #edchat#ukedchat

20:40:04 JohnAHobson@MrAColley #ukedchat SSATRUST report on

Academies makes depressing reading for future of ICT

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http://t.co/NLmPohZP . Return to the carousel!

20:40:11 Teen_WhispererEngaging #SEN pupils through filmhttp://t.co/aS6ef6bb Via @GuardianTeach - excellentpractice. #ukedchat #edchat #sschat #k12media

20:40:12 eslweb@dakinane @jackieschneider There are advantagesto having PCs in a room where you control thesoftware, screens and keyboards #ukedchat

20:40:21 janwebb21sorry guys I'm having probs sending retweets out andfollwoing conversation threads! must get the hang ofthis tech ;) #ukedchat

20:40:27 syded06@Catriona_O yes and the best apps etc are crossplatform @teachingofsci #ukedchat

20:40:34 emmaannhardy

@judeenright #ukedchat I find I teach the skill first as

an ICT lesson and then embed by using across othersubjects - primary.

20:41:15 teachingofsci@syded06 @aknill @shelibb @richardblaize webought my 7yo cheapish android tablet for home. Hedoes good things, great investment #ukedchat

20:41:16 janwebb21@Queen_Claire and that's where use of students owndevices - eg smartphones - can help bridge gapacross curriclum #ukedchat

20:41:18 Catriona_O

#ukedchat. Pls forgive me but I'm still not getting it. Is

what we R talking about with ICT not just the way(mostly) young people live?

20:41:25 Kezmerrelda#ukedchat ict should enhance and bring topics to lifeor motivate or encourage or be used to collaborate butall embedded and in context

20:41:31 mberry@jackieschneider interesting. Project / challengebased learning. JIT learning. Understanding comeswith enough experience? #ukedchat

20:41:35 acareoandy@judeenright an understanding if relational databaseprinciples and structured data - crucial in modernbusiness #UKEdChat

20:41:39 jackieschneider@nickotkdIV - I use ICT to give kids a platform toperform & to make world smaller #ukedchat (& to getmusic help!)

20:41:42 russellwarehamThis tablet looks good: Sumvision Cyclone Astrotablet, Android 2.3, 90. #ukedchat

20:41:49 janwebb21RT @dakinane: RT @jackieschneider: Are computerrooms dead in the water these days? #ukedchat

20:41:58 SheliBB@richardblaize @syded06 @aknill @moreolivessaves money on software, paper,cameras,rubbish

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laptops (though won't replace laptops) #ukedchat

20:42:22 jemimaandersonIn my experience of primary, pupils more consumersthan creators. Is true across the curriculum though.#ukedchat

20:42:23 andyhuttcomputing/ICT = engine service/driving,cooking/eating - enough of the analogies already!They don't help/work;-) #ukedchat

20:42:31 moreolives@janwebb21 @Queen_Claire definitely. Need to getschools to accept use of student's own tech in theclassroom. #ukedchat

20:42:31 janwebb21@Catriona_O @syded06 I got a Playbook at 169which makes affordable really real #ukedchat

20:42:33 Catriona_OOK - I'm off now #ukedchat, nice to be back with you

all sorry if i appeared a bit thick. Good luck with it all.

20:42:36 judeenright#ukedchat @emmaannhardy we have so much tolearn from primary. Secondary subject areas need towork much more closely together to do this.

20:42:42 teknoteacherAs well as the 'Teach Computing' course tomorrowhttp://t.co/QoMXfm1D I've got free resourceshttp://t.co/Ypks6sFz and more #ukedchat

20:42:51 syded06@SheliBB @richardblaize @aknill @moreolivesagreed although not sure about the laptop part!!!

#ukedchat20:43:02 mberry

@urban_teacher no. ICT - learning how to eat.Computing - learning how to cook. #ukedchat

20:43:03 MrG_ICTLots teachers poor IT skills. Many teaching for 30+yrs. Poor children!! Thankfully many inspirationalteachers / children #ukedchat

20:43:12 raisechildrens#ukedchat for those unsure of how to use ICT inschools @chrismayoh @SheliBB @brynll and@norfolkTeachers are an exciting team to know.

20:43:35 MrAColley @janwebb21 Not if you teach ICT they aren't (yet).Imagine 30 different projects using 30 differentplatforms/software. Per hour! #ukedchat

20:43:54 jackieschneiderAt one of my schools I have music room & no ICTsuite & other has ICT room but no music room!#ukedchat

20:44:15 janwebb21@ICTEvangelist definitely! do I know anyone whodoes that?!?! oh - that might be me :-0 #ukedchat

20:44:30 jackieschneider @judeenright - music? #ukedchat

20:44:40 ICTEvangelist@syded06 @SheliBB @richardblaize @aknill@moreolives tablets are completely changing the

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makeup of ICT and T&L in schools #ukedchat

20:44:58 mberry@jemimaanderson Not always. Not everywhere. Notinevitable. Ofsted say primary ICT better thansecondary. #ukedchat

20:45:04 russellwarehamIsn't part of KS3 governed by the skills required forKS4, exam boards have a part to play in helpingdevelop relevant courses? #ukedchat

20:45:19 anhalf @MrAColley sounds great. But we can barelymaintain staffing let alne all the eqptmnt. How do uafford in a small primry? #ukedchat

20:45:25 timmytwoteas@aknill @syded06 @shelibb @moreolives@richardblaize some schools trying alt funding fortablets http://t.co/nzXuyPzx (no 'droid?) #ukedchat

20:45:31 judeenright#ukedchat @acareoandy yes, good point We needdatabases in curric - part of life from iTunes on. Notevery student will get on to relational

20:45:53 SheliBB@syded06 @richardblaize @aknill @moreolivesip@ds don't replace our laptops at th mo,but I'm surein time laptops will be surplus #ukedchat

20:46:03 janwebb21 @MrAColley depends what for! #ukedchat

20:46:04 eslweb@dakinane I can take over all the screeens in class toshow students how to do things and proper keyboards

for typing skills. #ukedchat

20:46:10 MrAColleyHave you seen the Computer Science Unpluggedstuff? Awesome and kit free! http://t.co/XY2SQfCi#ukedchat

20:46:13 mberry@Click_JoeRoy Of course, eating /is/ more importantthan cooking. #ukedchat

20:46:13 janwebb21 absolutely!@Queen_Claire #ukedchat

20:46:20 jackieschneider@jemimaanderson - ICT in music can transform kidsfrom consumers to creators v quickly! #ukedchat

20:46:26 judeenright #ukedchat @jackieschneider in secondary I've alwaysleft that to the Music dept!

20:46:47 moreolives@mberry @jemimaanderson surely becausesecondary are constrained by exam boardrequirements? #ukedchat

20:46:52 eslwebMain reason I don't want portable devices... Too easyto wander off with and never be returned If it'sportable, it's BYOD #ukedchat

20:46:58 janwebb21RT @judeenright: @emmaannhardy we have so muchto learn from primary. Sec subject areas need to workmuch more closely together #ukedchat

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20:47:17 JohnnymusictutrRT @jackieschneider: @jemimaanderson - ICT inmusic can transform kids from consumers to creatorsv quickly! #ukedchat

20:47:26 MrAColley@anhalf Excellent question. Wish I had an equally

excellent answer! #ukedchat

20:47:38 ICTEvangelist#ukedchat @asober that doesn't work. It's like trying 2teach a carpentry lesson w/out sts understanding how2 use kit safely & effectively

20:47:50 jemimaanderson@mberry Absolutely - as I said in my experience I seeICT time used for researching topics, consumingthrough google #ukedchat

20:48:04 chrisleach78RT @MrAColley: RT @teachesict: @MrAColley use#rethinkingict to create support groups to mentor less

experienced teachers #ukedchat > GREAT idea!20:48:14 chrisleach78

RT @MrAColley: Have you seen the great blog postsby at #ict500? http://t.co/tRC8Y0AH #ukedchat

20:48:16 acpeckRT @andyhutt: Let's not lose sight of the ability of ICTto foster creativity and communication #ukedchat

20:48:23 SheliBBContinue the ICT debate with a bit of #DLchat after#ukedchat tonight. Everyone welcome. Discuss therole of digital leaders in our schools

20:48:31 urban_teacher

Ina few years time! The government will be

complaining there too many programmers and notenough people ICT illiterate.its a cycle #ukedchat

20:48:32 janwebb21RT @mberry: @Click_JoeRoy Of course, eating /is/more important than cooking. #ukedchat

20:48:33 teknoteacherWorth noting that most new digital products aredesigned to be simple to use, not requiring teachingeg. Apple's philosophy #ukedchat

20:48:51 ICTEvangelistWant 2 learn more about how iPad can be used ineducation? Come 2 this free event nr Bath, April 18th:http://t.co/FfLzh2zh #ukedchat

20:48:55 jackieschneiderI use own iPhone iPad VGA cable & speakers plusfree blogging platforms, audio boo photo peach#ukedchat

20:48:56 andyhuttNot just ICT debating its purpose. English in flux too.http://t.co/1iFV2INj ICT/CS needs to work with othersubject areas. #ukedchat.

20:48:58 mberry@MrAColley Wot no collaboration? -o00o--(_)--o00o-#ukedchat @janwebb21

20:48:59 syded06@richardblaize undoubtedly. they are tools to enhancelearning.If they don't benefit the students they aren't

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being used correctly #ukedchat

20:49:03 eslweb@jackieschneider @Johnnymusictutr@jemimaanderson Put http://t.co/ob5Ok04C now can'tget music teacher out. Great enabler! #ukedchat

20:49:18 nickotkdIVRT@SheliBB Continue the ICT debate with #DLchatafter #ukedchat tonight. Everyone welcome. Discussrole of digital leaders in schools

20:49:21 ClaireMurphy09

RT @Teen_Whisperer: Engaging #SEN pupilsthrough film http://t.co/aS6ef6bb Via @GuardianTeach- excellent practice. #ukedchat #edchat #sschat#k12media

20:49:21 janwebb21RT @Johnnymusictutr: RT @jackieschneider:@jemimaanderson - ICT in music can transform kids

from consumers to creators v quickly! #ukedchat

20:49:34 anhalf @MrAColley seriously though, id love 2b doing moreIT across sbjcts, but have 2hrs in suite and laptopscouple times week :-( #ukedchat

20:49:57 mberry@moreolives Yes. Ofsted said most of the problemswere caused by the curriculum'. They meant theGCSE specs. #ukedchat @jemimaanderson

20:50:06 russellwarehamWould love iMovie, if we could afford it, Movie Makerkeeps crashing all the time!! Along with a good

WYSIWYG editor that is free! #ukedchat

20:50:14 Kezmerrelda#ukedchat the best ict is when children create thingsand have ownership. Not when the teacher dictatesthe outcome and controls the content

20:50:19 SheliBB@richardblaize @syded06 @aknill @moreolives @dsDefinitely!My yr 2/1s wrote their own ibooks in under1hour! Impossible on laptops #ukedchat

20:50:27 andyhutt

RT @Kezmerrelda: #ukedchat the best ict is whenchildren create things and have ownership. Not whenthe teacher dictates the outcome and controls thecontent

20:50:39 jackieschneider@mberry - can you get me an invite?! #ukedchat#applelove

20:50:43 janwebb21 @mberry huh?!?! I missed that one!! #ukedchat

20:50:44 syded06


20:50:53 MrAColley@mberry Touche mon brave! Now where did I put thatNokia 3210 hook up cable..... ;) #ukedchat

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20:50:55 debbisimpson

RT @mberry: @moreolives Yes. Ofsted said most ofthe problems were caused by the curriculum'. Theymeant the GCSE specs. #ukedchat@jemimaanderson

20:50:59 anhalf


20:51 judeenright#ukedchat @TheMrB @janwebb21 @emmaannhardyExciting- but are some teachers in mutiny as they liketo own their own curriculum?

20:51:05 mikallaane@eslweb I def agree with #BYOD Hme Access Granthelped establish this in KS2 & KS3 #ukedchat

20:51:21 janwebb21 I can't believe there are less than 10 more minutes leftfor tonight's discussion #ukedchat

20:51:24 eslweb@BarnesRick BYOD works great for cameras,(Phones) iPods etc Generally students transfer files athome and bring on USB Stick. #ukedchat

20:51:29 ICTEvangelist@MattSmith565 @syded06 @SheliBB @richardblaize@aknill @moreolives a b s o l u t e l y #ukedchat

20:51:40 SheliBB

RT @raisechildrens: #ukedchat for those unsure ofhow to use ICT in schools @chrismayoh @SheliBB

@brynll and @norfolkTeachers are an exciting team toknow.

20:51:59 MrAColley@anhalf I'm lucky in that I teach it as a dedicatedsubject in a dedicated room. #ukedchat

20:52:04 debbisimpson


20:52:04 mikallaane


20:52:05 eslweb@liamgh @ianaddison And how much do mechanicsmake? But only a metaphor #ukedchat

20:52:05 lisibo


20:52:47 nickotkdIV RT @Kezmerrelda: #ukedchat the best ict is whenchildren create things and have ownership. Not when

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the teacher dictates the outcome and controls thecontent

20:52:48 richards_james#ukedchat my favourite part of ICT is findingsomething new and letting the learner play with it and

watch what they come up with !

20:52:50 Kezmerrelda@syded06 totally agree with that. If it doesn't enhanceor inspire or bring something to life then it's not worthit! #ukedchat

20:52:51 eslweb@jonjwilliams @BarnesRick I have the advantage ofwriting the policy to suit myself. #ukedchat

20:52:51 judeenright#ukedchat @mberry @moreolives @jemimaandersonand GCSE is the tip of the iceberg of a problem, hugerange of KS 4 ICT quals out there.

20:53:15 janwebb21 @judeenright but that's the whole point of thedisapplication- owning own curriculum #ukedchat

20:53:20 SheliBB@MattSmith565 @ICTEvangelist @syded06@richardblaize @aknill @moreolives That is our aimat Roydon. Want the ICT mark at last ... #ukedchat

20:53:34 DKeano1985RT @richards_james: #ukedchat my favourite part ofICT is finding something new and letting the learnerplay with it and watch what they come up with !

20:53:36 jemimaanderson

@teknoteacher That's why they are sending their kids

to technology free schools that focus on creativity#ukedchat

20:53:41 MrAColley@anhalf Yep. But I still try to make use ofcollaborative web tools & devices for homeworks etc.#ukedchat

20:53:49 eslweb@janwebb21 @judeenright That's the bit I live. But atthe same time keeping an eye on KS4 where itseffectively been fixed. #ukedchat

20:53:56 janwebb21@judeenright but what sort of consistency inapproach? #ukedchat

20:54:01 emmaannhardyRT @richards_james: #ukedchat my favourite part ofICT is finding something new and letting the learnerplay with it and watch what they come up with !

20:54:08 urban_teacher@mberry no. ICT: becoming computer literate.Computing: learning the fundamentals of how ICTworks & building your own tools. #ukedchat

20:54:11 mberry@judeenright Same true in primaries. Open source /wiki idea is that all contrib. what they can. To manyeyes, all bugs shallow #ukedchat.

20:54:35 jemimaanderson http://t.co/23ulLPHH #ukedchat

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20:54:39 MattSmith565@janwebb21 @Johnnymusictutr @jackieschneider@jemimaanderson isle of tune is great for that!#ukedchat

20:54:41 jackieschneider

In the early days of radio it was all about the valves.

Now it is all about John Humphries & the Archers.same with computers? #ukedchat

20:54:42 janwebb21@judeenright and a pupil's learning is no longer whatthey are entitled to but a lottery depending on theirschool/teacher/tools #ukedchat

20:54:49 richardblaizeRT @richards_james: #ukedchat my favourite part ofICT is finding something new and letting the learnerplay with it and watch what they come up with !

20:54:52 syded06

@SheliBB @MattSmith565 @ICTEvangelist

@richardblaize @aknill has anyone found reasons fornot using tablets from informed edu? #ukedchat

20:54:56 BarnesRick@jonjwilliams @eslweb #ukedchat thinking that wecould start with a set of tablets to prove their worth,take it from there

20:55:01 passionateaboot#ukedchat #schoolgoverning The meaning ofcommunication is in the response you get. Do you getwhat you ask for http://t.co/zQ9wncXy

20:55:01 PrincipledLearn

#ukedchat #schoolgoverning The meaning of

communication is in the response you get. Do you getwhat you ask for http://t.co/E2ZC4mN4

20:55:01 ukedchatJust 5 minutes left of #ukedchat for tonight. Finalthought?

20:55:06 richards_james#ukedchat if that new website /tool is free even betterlearners explore play and quickly become bored ifunsuitable or if it is poor

20:55:26 russellwareham@Kezmerrelda Totally agree, nothing better thanseeing what pupils can achieve, need to be able todevelop ideas independently #ukedchat

20:55:35 TeacherToolkit

The most outstanding ICT lesson I've ever seen wasby @Shawki_Bakkar_He taught the subject without anyone touching a PC!#UKEdChat

20:55:37 timmytwoteas#ukedchat what decent KS4 'IT' courses are peoplerunning?

20:55:40 teknoteacherWith products like Siri & Evi, in 5 yrs, will we need toteach how to use ICT technology? Programmingbecoming more relevant #ukedchat

20:55:45 ickle_tre24 RT @MrAColley: Any ICT teacher worth their salt was

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going above & beyond the POS quite a while ago.#ukedchat

20:55:49 DKeano1985#ukedchat surely at some stage we must have somestandardisation with what skills we want pupils to

leave school with...

20:55:51 richardblaizeRT @jemimaanderson: http://t.co/23ulLPHH#ukedchat

20:55:54 janwebb21@emmaannhardy AND voicethread, wikis, googledocs, MS online docs, so many tools, not enoughcharacters.... #ukedchat

20:55:56 jonjwilliams@BarnesRick @eslweb i have no wireless areasaround the school so this would need to be addressedfirst! #ukedchat

20:56:06 mrlockyer Something I pondered a few months ago:http://t.co/LCBtPN46 #ukedchat

20:56:09 MrAColleyAre we looking at ICT as a discrete subject or an'enabler'. I thought the POS was about the former?#ukedchat

20:56:18 judeenright#ukedchat @janwebb21 until we need to enter themfor GCSE...

20:56:28 brynllLet's not forget the documenting of the learners

journeys through the ICT curriculum. One answer

@360_People http://t.co/qTUICZW1 #ukedchat

20:56:46 morsmalRT @iEducator: Study: Kids prefer to 'Google it' thanask teachers or parents http://t.co/V4G0CkBZ #edchat#ukedchat

20:56:48 MattSmith565@syded06 @SheliBB @ICTEvangelist @richardblaize@aknill I've done a lot of research lately and pos Faroutweigh negs in my mind #ukedchat

20:56:55 mberry@jemimaanderson Creativity and technology are notincompatible. #statingtheobvious #ukedchat@teknoteacher

20:56:56 andyhutthttp://t.co/7UD1R2Bq Why not contribute to theconsultation...RT @ukedchat: Just 5 minutes left of#ukedchat for tonight. Final thought?

20:56:59 russellwareham@teknoteacher Definately, get the foundations in nowand build for the future! #ukedchat

20:57:04 JohnAHobson@urban_teacher How many people need to be able todesign and make a car? Programming is a minorityinterest.#ukedchat

20:57:22 richardblaizeRT @bengoldacre: The future is geeky. The UK needsa Chief Technology Officer. http://t.co/WVEuyFHu Or

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this http://t.co/TGGRRhoA #ukedchat

20:57:39 janwebb21@judeenright then the question becomes abouteducating a child as a whole or as an exam statistic#ukedchat

20:57:42 jackieschneider @TeacherToolkit @shawki_bakkar_ - more detailsplease! #ukedchat

20:57:46 ICTEvangelist@MattSmith565 i've been researching for well over ayear and i'm still to find negatives - if it can be done, itshould be #ukedchat

20:57:50 DonnaComerford@ukedchat #ukedchat this forum and TeachMeetsideal to share practice & gain new ideas. I think we willdevelop our curriculums not Gov(t)

20:58:01 ukedchatThe archive of this #ukedchat discussion will be

available shortly at http://t.co/gSHG6yJB

20:58:14 Smichael920#ukedchat so important to have good connectivity &infrastructure in school if ICT is going to be exciting &engaging for learners

20:58:24 mberry@urban_teacher so what does 'computer literate'mean? Rose's 'essential for learning and life'?#ukedchat

20:58:25 ICTmagicRT @MrAColley: Any ICT teacher worth their salt wasgoing above & beyond the POS quite a while ago.

#ukedchat

20:58:26 richards_james#ukedchat my blog not meant as a plug ! I encouragemy pupils to find new tools etc and use and then posttheir use of their finding

20:58:45 jemimaanderson@mberry There is a debate there and its aninteresting one see my link to NY times article.#ukedchat

20:58:51 MrAColley@JohnAHobson So is Latin, just got to get itrecognised as an EBACC language now andBoom! ;) ;) #ukedchat

20:58:55 aleximperoRT @Smichael920: #ukedchat so important to havegood connectivity & infrastructure in school if ICT isgoing to be exciting & engaging for learners

20:59:01 eslweb@Smichael920 That would definitely where I'd bespending my money... Before wasting money on VLEsand overpriced software. #ukedchat

20:59:03 janwebb21@emmaannhardy you will love voicethread withyounger ones - can do voice recordings too, so greatfor early writers #ukedchat

20:59:13 moreolives @TeacherToolkit@Shawki_Bakkar I got an

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Outstanding from Ofsted that way too! Said it wasinnovative use of ICT.Was problem solving #ukedchat

20:59:17 syded06@ICTEvangelist @MattSmith565 have to present abalanced argument but can't find reasoned discussion

against by anyone in practice #ukedchat

20:59:18 mikallaane@teknoteacher less than 5yrs around the corner is99 tablet with 4G connectivity :-) Why do we need anetwork at school? #ukedchat #BYOD

20:59:41 mberry@JohnAHobson it's a minority occupation. So is poet.So is musician. So is footballer. Why teach these?#ukedchat @urban_teacher

20:59:49 NicolePonsfordRT @ukedchat: The archive of this #ukedchatdiscussion will be available shortly at

http://t.co/gSHG6yJB

20:59:51 janwebb21Thank you to everyone who has joined in tonght'sdiscussion!!! that has gone incredibly quickly#ukedchat

20:59:55 MrAColley@gideonwilliams I love Twitter. It makes me thinkbigger. #ukedchat #should'veconsideredthatone

21:00:01 JohnAHobson @MrAColley Ancient Greek rools! #ukedchat

21:00:01 TeacherToolkitI sat in 3 observations today for an AST interview.#disappointing #UKEdChat

21:00:06 ukedchat The next topic will be decided by a pollhttp://t.co/7WAMdpHi. Join #ukedchat with@ICTEvangelist at the same time next week.

21:00:09 ukedchatIt's 9pm & #ukedchat must end once more. Thanks to@janwebb21 & all those who took part. Read thearchive shortly at http://t.co/K8ecHGq7

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