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this article need edits

Since Pakistan's independence, tribal lords including Bugti, Murree and Mengal have used tribal chiefs to

keep balouchistani people backwards and illiterate by systematically opposing any attempts to establish

modern educational institutions in their areas of influence.

Absolute rubbish of an Article

Spelling mistakes, Grammatical mistakes, biased points of view, someone fix this godforsaken article please. The

preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.27.254.122 (talk) 13:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

Scrubbing

I am scrubbing the article. There is some stuff in here that makes no sense at all (grammatically speaking). Could

someone help me proof it and basically expand and Wikifi it with me? WashFM 21:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Alrighty, I am done for today. Please proof today's work if you are so inclined. Ciao! WashFM 23:06, 14

February 2007 (UTC)

Your work sounds to Pro-Government so i will edit .Beacuse it does not Give NPOV approach.

Khalidkhoso 23:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

You can correct Grammer But can not remove Stuff. Khalidkhoso 23:55, 14 February 2007

(UTC)

I have made some changes to Make it more Netural.Hope you will Like it .have good time in

wiki.Khalidkhoso 00:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

For more read this too (Neutral Resource)[[1]]

He cites the security forces, deployed in Quetta, and the reports of new military cantonments cropping up at

many places in Balochistan, as evidence that: "The army wishes to take control of Balochistan and suppress

the rights of the Baloch people." He also maintains Balochistan's immense energy resources, mainly in the

form of natural gas located at Sui, are being "stolen" from it. Khalidkhoso 01:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

also see this((Neutral Resource)) [[2]] and u can also have some galance on this too

[[3]]. Khalidkhoso 01:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

read this too((Neutral Resource)) [[4]]Khalidkhoso 01:25, 15 February 2007

(UTC)

Settling Punjabis in Baluchistan((Neutral Resource) [[5]] Khalidkhoso

01:30, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Khoso, I can understand where you must be coming from on this topic and I can now see that you feel

very strongly about it. First of all I would like to clarify something before I say anything else. I am here to

make this article worthy of reading and for an average person to get a basic NPOV understanding of the nature

of the conflict. I am not here to justify the acts of one side or the other. My first concern was to improve on the

article as in it's previous state it was not worthy to be included on Wiki, let alone any other site that expects to

be taken seriously. I wish to make this article a good resource to consult on the ongoing conflict. If we make it

into a propaganda flyer to further the cause of BLA or BLF no one will accept it's validity. If you read thru my

edits you will see that I have tried to take a very cautious approach. I want you to work with me and not

against me by labeling my edit as 'Pro-Government'. I did not wish to come across as such. The stuff I

removed (one paragraph) made absolutely no sense to me and hence I removed it. If you could re-write it I

could perhaps try to understand what needs to be conveyed. I think some things that we need to work on in this

article are:

Get some citations
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More references (preferably neutral and non partisan)

Not label one side as infidels and the others as martyrs (goes towards bias and POV)

Let me know what you think. WashFM 17:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Dear I think we can work together but we need to mention both side story rather then one. You can

check your edits; your article did not fulfill NPOV approach, so I made some edits on it. I just want this

article to be more neutral in Nature. If this is what you want then we can use many resources as imentioned above and Book written By Khan of Kalat. Khalidkhoso 19:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

check this link (Neutral Resource)[[1]]According to a January 2006 statement by Pakistani

Senator Sanaullah Baloch, at least 180 people have died in bombings, 122 children have been

killed by paramilitary troops and hundreds of people have been arrested since the beginning of the

campaign in early 2005. On 8 December 2005, the federal interior minister stated that some 4,000

people had been arrested in Balochistan since the beginning of 2005.

Rights groups are concerned. Amnesty International (AI), in a statement released on 10 January, demanded that

human rights abuses [in Balochistan] be stopped forthwith and that all allegations of violations of human rights,

including civil, political and economic rights, be independently and impartially investigated with a view to bringing

the perpetrators to justice.The preceding Khalidkhoso 21:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

(Neutral Resource)[[6]] check it out Khalidkhoso 21:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

"The insurgency was put down by the Pakistan Army, which employed brutal

methods and equipment, ". check resource (Neutral Resource)[[7]] Khalidkhoso

21:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Bhutto was able to mobilize domestic support for his drive against the Baloch.

Punjab's support was most tangibly represented in the use of the army to

put down the insurgency. (Neutral Resource)[[7]]

The people there are in huge trouble and difficulties. A large number of

them are in the mess, besides, huge casualties are reported there in the

ongoing armed conflict, he said.

Zubaida Jalal said Balochistan had seen development during army regimes. (Neutral Resource)[[8]] Khalidkhoso

21:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

President Pervez Musharraf and the military are responsible for the worsening of the conflict in

Balochistan.Neutral Resource [[9]] Khalidkhoso 21:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

In the first session Mr. Zahoor Sherwani, Provincial head of HRCP Balochistan Chapter, Mr. Wali

Kakar Central Committee Member Balochistan National Party and Mr. Ayub Tareen, BBC

correspondent talked about the current state of human rights in Balochistan. Humanitarian aspects

of the conflict were also highlighted in the session. Panellists were of the view that this situation

has given rise to worst human rights situation in Balochistan and hundreds of women and children

have lost their lives and they have been physically assaulted. There have been hundreds of

enforced disappearances in Balochistan.(Neutral Resource) [[10]] Khalidkhoso 21:41, 15

February 2007 (UTC)

Balouchi Resource.[[11]] Khalidkhoso 21:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Please read http://en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Balochistan_conflict#Armed_insurgency_1973-77. I have used

language similar to what you are pointing to above brutal methods etc. Also, these websites cannot be

verified, they are usually of not very good international standing and repute. Most of the stuff on Onwar

website is a quick cut and paste job. I would suggest books written by impartial authors. BTW, i found a

picture online. Do you think we can use it in the article? I don't know about copyright policy of Wiki and stuff.

http://www. harappa.com/bremner/5.html WashFM 21:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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I think that picture is already used in other artilce and it is free to use. i do not think that picture have

any thing to do here.

there is Book written By Khan of Kalat Himself try to locate it. Khalidkhoso 21:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

try this too [[12]]

Human rights abuses

Racism directed towards the Baloch people surfaced quite openly[[2]] Khalidkhoso 21:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

We should add a human rights abuses in the article as well then. WashFM 21:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with You . Khalidkhoso 21:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Main cause

The rape of a hapless woman doctor in the high security PPL residential compound in Sui. [[13]] Khalidkhoso 21:42,

15 February 2007 (UTC)

New layout

I am thinking of this new layout. Let me know what you think:

Overview

Historical significance

Area of dispute

Baloch grievances

Main characters

Central governments (1948-2006)

Influence and role of sardars (Tribal chiefs)Populace

First conflict (1948)

Second conflict (1973-77)

Third conflict (2006-Present)

Human rights abuses

WashFM 23:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

i think it is pretty good ,i have no objection with it . Khalidkhoso 23:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

i think we need to add Iran in it too beacuse in 1970s iran was part of war. what do you think? but i am

afraid this topic will be under attack if we add iran in it. Khalidkhoso 03:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point. But then we would have to add the then afghan Mohammed Daoud Khan as well because of his

hostility towards Pakistan and designs for the Baloch and Pashtun areas. I think both Iran and Afghanistan's role

warrants a brief mention though. WashFM 14:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It look Good. Khalidkhoso 06:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I like the layout. Afterwards, we might want to keep the Pakistan government-versus-Baloch Nationalists dispute as

a separate page. This page can remain for the more extensive "Balochistan conflict" that involves Iran and

Afghanistan. bostonbrahmin 04:02, 12 July 2009 (UTC) Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostonbrahmin20 (talk

contribs)
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Indian support

An editor has raised the issue on edit summary that Pakistan accuses India of supporting the conflict but India denies

it.

In that case I believe let us have netural veiws on the topic. So articles containing views of netural nations and

governments or that of International Organisation should be cited as source on this issue.--UplinkAnsh (talk) 16:34,

19 April 2010 (UTC)

Look at this.Very interesting material. Pakistan accuses India again. But representatives of the United States

supports India, and reported that there is no strong evidence from Pakistan.http://www. indianexpress.com/

news/ no-evidence-that-india-aiding-pak-baloch-rebels/ 466814/ . Sentinel R (talk) 14:00, 20 April 2010

(UTC)

The article only states "They say this weaponry has been purchased on the black-market, with funding from Baloch

compatriots in Dubai and other Persian Gulf states."

However it also says that Baloch and Sindhi militants have been seeking support of India while has so far avoided it.

I think both this points could be mentioned in the article however India could not be added in the "Belligerents"

section on this bases.--UplinkAnsh (talk) 14:13, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree. You add this in the article as a separate part?.Sentinel R (talk) 11:56, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I will add it tomorrow as I am busy today.--UplinkAnsh (talk) 17:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

India is still listed in "Belligerents" section. Is anybody planning the update? Gobade.abhay1 (talk) 06:11, 23

November 2011 (UTC)

Request, expand section about Iran

Not a secret that Iran's Baluchi movement increases. Occur regularly clashes and attacks. However, the article is

virtually no way displayed. I'm not English speaking at a good level and hardly able to write this section correctly. If

someone has the desire I can throw two link where everything is described at a detailed level. First link [14],second

link[15]

.Sentinel R (talk) 07:35, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

In reality this is not part of the Baluchistan conflict at all since Jundullah is Sunni Islamist group with no ethnic or

seperatist motives or demands, this has been stressed over and over again by Jundullah leadership. But since you are

desperetly out on making propaganda I might aswell focus on keeping the your lies in the article (which are

completely outside of the sources and which you have obviously made up yourself), which have been numerous

thusfar.Kermanshahi (talk) 15:42, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

You're an Iranian propagandist? Read the Wikipedia:No original research.Sentinel R (talk) 15:47, 4 December

2010 (UTC)

Who's been doing original research here? I've caught you using so many sources and to back up claims which are not

made in the sources at all. You are the propagandist here and the worst liar I have ever encountered on wikipedia and

you know you're lying, you just keep hiding truth.Kermanshahi (talk) 16:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello, I am an administrator here. These attacks against other editors are not acceptable. Please change your

posts to remove attacks. Here at the talkpage, you are only allowed to discuss the article, not the other editors.

--Elonka 19:46, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I do not know how to communicate with him. He wrote me nothing, just insults[16]

.Sentinel R (talk)

10:11, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

What I said was inapropriate, but I was just too angry at what this guy is doing on this article. My constrictuve edits

were constantly being reverted by him to conceal facts and although he knew what was in the sources he used, theway he chose to hide facts and post things which are not said in the article at all, hoping no-one notices. But I agree
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you shouldn't make personal attacks.Kermanshahi (talk) 11:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you, I see this as encouraging. From my point of view, what I see are two editors who feel

strongly about the subject. You may not agree with how to present the information about the subject, but I

think that both of you are acting in good faith, out of a genuine desire to improve the article. This is good! To

move forward, please try to avoid commenting on the perceived motivations of the other person, and let's just

talk about the article. To start, is there agreement that the sources being used are reliable ones, or is theredisagreement on which sources are appropriate? --Elonka 20:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I think there is not much disagreement on this article anymore. I think Sentinel R would keep it this way but

personally I still do actually have 2 points where I am unhappy with. First of all I don't think the infobox should be a

place to list all countries and organisations that support the 2 sides and rather that this should be left for the article

itself. According to Sentinel R this is standard for wikipedia, so I leave this to you to judge as moderator. Secondly I

have an issue with the two low-level generals which were included in the infobox only due to the fact that they were

killed so as to have KIA at the Iranian side of the box, I think this is POW, since for the rest only top commanders

are included for all sides. But I don't feel that strongly about these two points, I would be prepared to leave it like

this, but I prefer you as adminstrator tell us if it should be included per wikipedia rules. The main dispute is on the

Jundullah article.Kermanshahi (talk) 20:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Noor Ali Shooshtari was a Deputy commander of the Revolutionary Guard. He is not low-level commander. I

say again, I do not mind if you add a Pakistani generals in the Infobox. I'm also pretty sure that should be kept

in Infobox all countries and organizations who are directly involved in the conflict. No argument against it

from you I have not seen.Sentinel R (talk) 04:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Is there a source that states the names of the leaders? --Elonka 04:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Noor Ali Shooshtari - was deputy commander of the ground force, Rajab Ali was Guards'

chief provincial commander. You can read about them here[17]

.Sentinel R (talk) 05:03, 6

December 2010 (UTC)

Is there a source that lists all commanders of the force, in order by date? --Elonka 05:36, 6December 2010 (UTC)

About Revolutionary Guards[18]

. Unfortunately, i don't know where to find a list of

all commanders.Sentinel R (talk) 05:49, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I never denied that they had those positions. What I was saying was for each combatant only their top commanders

were included. For Pakistan you have Tikka Khan, which was the top commander of the Pakistan military during the

70s rebellion and his succesor Rahimuddin Khan, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto who was President (and later Prime Minister)

during that time and Pervez Musharaf who was Pakistan's President and head of military during most of the current

rebellion. For the Pakistani rebels you have Prince Abdul karim khan the leader of the 40s rebellion, Khair Bakhsh

Marri leader of the 60s rebellion, Nowroz Khan leader of the 50s rebellion, Balach Marri and Akbar Bugti the two

leaders who started the current rebellion and Brahamdagh Bugti the current leader of the rebellion. For Iranian rebels

you have Abdolmalek Rigi and Abdolhamid Rigi, the two founders of Jundullah + their successor Muhammad

Dhahir Baluch. For Iran you got Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President, Hassan Firouzabadi head of military, Ataollah

Salehi head of regular branch of the military, Mohammad Ali Jafari head of the revolutionary guards branch of

military + suddenly the deputy commander of the ground forces of the revolutionary guards branch of the military

and Rajab Ali the provincial commander of the revolutionary guards branch of the military. Compared to the list of

commanders these two are such low level, which leads to questions, why were they included?

Per Template:Infobox military conflict it sais that: "For wars, only prominent or notable leaders should be listed,

withan upper limit of about sevenper combatant column recommended."Not only are these two not prominant or

notable, there are already 10 commanders listed in this column. If we are to include the deputy commander of theground forces of a certain branch of the Iranian military, than we should also include the actually commander of that
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branch's ground forces + the head of the other branch of ground forces + his deputy and than we should do the same

for Pakistan, which would make a list of about 30 people. How can you not agree that the fact that these two were

killed in action should move to the article rather than infobox?Kermanshahi (talk) 16:42, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

You wrote that they "irrelevant low-level commander"[19]

. I quoted the source, and wrote that it is not.

Moreover, I believe that the deaths of these officers should be written in this article. Pakistani generals have

died in this war?Sentinel R (talk) 17:04, 6 December 2010 (UTC)There are three possible ways forward here, on how to present the commanders in the infobox:

The editors on the talkpage (which seems to be the two of you) come to a compromise on how the

information should be listed in the infobox

You follow another step in dispute resolution, such as to request comment from other editors, or seek

mediation

We remove that entire section from the infobox template

For now, please do continue with discussion, but if you cannot reach an agreement in a reasonable amount of

time, I will remove that section of the template, and paste it here on the talkpage. Then discussion can continue

here at talk, until you can come to an agreement. If there is no agreement, then the information will never go

back into the infobox. So please, try to find a compromise? --Elonka 16:59, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I think that the death of famous military leaders should be in this article and wrote the above reasons. What do you

think?Sentinel R (talk) 17:19, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Firstly they were not famous, the only time their names ever appeared in the news was when they were assasinated.

Secondly, I agree the fact that they were killed should definetly be mentioned in the infobox only per wikipedia rules

the infobox is only for the top commanders (thus President/commander in chief, head of military and not "deputy

commander of the ground forces of a certain branch of the military of one of the countries in question") and there

should be a maximum of 7, which in this case, clearly is not the case. What I suggest is that we mention in the Iran

section that these two were killed in the Pishin bombing.Kermanshahi (talk) 17:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Read the next articles: War in Somalia (2009) and War in North-West Pakistan. In this articles indicated a

low level commanders. Noor Ali Shooshtari and Rajab Ali - they is not low-level commanders.Sentinel R

(talk) 04:07, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, but that argument is not a good one. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --Elonka 04:13, 7

December 2010 (UTC)

I agree. But in this conflict, these commanders definitely have value, and I provided all references

for this.Sentinel R (talk) 04:23, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

They have value, but not enough to be in the infobox unless we add 50 other commanders, which according to WP

rules is not allowed.Kermanshahi (talk) 17:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I am for them to be in the Infobox, arguments are brought. Let the administrator chooses.Sentinel R (talk)

04:08, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

If you would like other opinions, I recommend posting a request at WP:3O or starting a Request for

comment. --Elonka 06:11, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

What we need to do is make the infobox up to standards. Currently it is very lacking, especially at the Pakistani side.

We need to add the Pakistani leaders for every rebellion, meanwhile the Iranian leadership should be narrowed down

to only Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. If we are to include all low level generals from both countries

from all periods it will be much too long.Kermanshahi (talk) 15:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Here is the list I propose for commanders, which is only the top commanders of each rebellion and is already too

long:Pakistan
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Liaquat Ali Khan (Prime Minister during 1948 rebellion)

Muhammad Ayub Khan (President/military dictator during 58-59 and 63-69 rebellions)

Yahya Khan (President/military dictator at the end of 63-69 rebellion)

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (President and later Prime Minister during 73-77 rebellion)

Tikka Khan (Head of army and commander of Baloch operations during 73-77 rebellion)

Pervez Musharraf (President/military dictator during current rebellion)

Yousaf Raza Gillani (Current Prime Minister of Pakistan)

Tariq Majid (Head of military 2007-2010)

Khalid Shameem Wynne (Current head of military)

Iran

Ali Khamenei (Supreme Leader)

Mohammad Khatami (President 1997-2005)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Current President

Hassan Firouzabadi (Head of military)

Kermanshahi (talk) 15:48, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I added the Pakistani commanders, I'll wait with the Iranian ones untill we finish this discussion.Kermanshahi (talk)

15:50, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree to remove the two Iranian generals from the Infobox. But only if their death will be detailed in this

article. It suits you?Sentinel R (talk) 08:37, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

A sensible decission, since they do not really fit in with the rest of the commanders. I'll add a sentence about their

deaths in the Iranian section. If you want to go into more detail than you can add what you want to say to the section

aswell.Kermanshahi (talk) 14:10, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Infobox combatants

(continuing discussion from previous section) There appears to be dispute about whether or the "Belligerents"

section of the infobox should be used to list all countries and organizations that support the two sides. To see

guidelines on this, please review the information at Template:Infobox military conflict under "Combatants" as to

how to present the information. --Elonka 20:36, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, two things in there seem to indicate that I am right first of all they say

1."the parties participating in the conflict. This is most commonly the countries whose forces took part in the

conflict,"- so OK, this time it's country v guerillas but it other than that the message is clear: only forces taht took

part in the conflict should be included, nothing about "supporters"...

2."When there is a large number of participants, it may be better to list only the three or four major groups on

each side of the conflict, and to describe the rest in the body of the article."In this case we've got a quite long listof "supporters" + an already relatively big list of guerilla groups, so with your approval I'd like to delete this from

the infobox, since there is already a section in the article adressing the issue of foreign support.Kermanshahi (talk)

20:46, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

As for the other issue of commanders, it sais this:

"For wars, only prominent or notable leaders should be listed"- other than the fact that they were killed, these 2

guys were not prominent or notable.Kermanshahi (talk) 20:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

To be clear, I have no opinion on the article content, so you do not need my permission to add or remove

something. Do what you think is best, that stays in accordance with Wikipedia policies and procedures. You

may also wish to read the pages at WP:DR and WP:BRD. --Elonka 20:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
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Forced Disappearances in Balochistan

There are more than 5,000 cases offorced disappearances in Balochistan.[20][]

.The chief Justice of an apex court of

pakistan asked about the situation and said situation was going out of control in balochistan.[21][]

Semi-protect or completely block this article from being altered by random

users

This article is sensitive and really biased and needs to be cleaned up and protected because many people,mainly from

pakistan are posting comments here.Somebody plz clean this article because right now its completely useless for

unbiased readers

Infobox: Indian support & Headings

I think this case is not similar to that of Taliban. I'll give the example ofall the other countries added to the infobox

who deny it too. --lTopGunl (talk) 19:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

So because Pakistan denied supporting the Taliban they may not be added to the info box, but any other

country which deny's aiding a terrorist group are not accorded the same courtesy? I believe you will need

consensus for such a change to the info box. Darkness Shines (talk) 21:31, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

No, I do not mean that. But the fact that othercountries are listed here in the same way, this seems to be

a separate case. I don't think all those countries have accepted aiding the organization either. What about

them having the same courtesy - this was intended to represent like this. --lTopGunl (talk) 21:44, 13

December 2011 (UTC)

About the change in heading, support is not allegedin all three cases given below. The two organizations have

not denied and one openly calls for it. Only India denied it and that has the first sentence on that. So there is no

need for a non neutral heading saying 'alleged' giving an implication. 'Foreign support' doesn't imply that it

actually happened or it would have been 'confirmed foreign support'. --lTopGunl (talk) 21:44, 13 December 2011(UTC)

If they deny aiding the Baloch insurgents then by your own reasoning they may not be added to

the info box, that is all I have to say on that. Re header, if just one country denies giving aid then

the section needs to be neutral in it's title, hence alleged. Darkness Shines (talk) 21:50, 13

December 2011 (UTC)

And here you removed only India? Bias? I think we can work out a better heading than this, 'alleged' has

an implication. The main heading in anycase does not fit here as it was and just India being 'alleged'. For

India, just by your own example of Taliban article since you seem to be following that here, "2.2.3

Pakistani military interference" is a section in that article. And I think headings do not need to contain

exploitations (though that should also be just "Pakistani military" or something - not alleged, not

interference). --lTopGunl (talk) 21:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I removed it when I saw you had added it, given your insistence on the Taliban article that if

it is denied then per NPOV policy it may not stay there I assumed your reverting it back

was an error, no? I have not yet had time to look at the other countries in the info box to see

if they also deny the allegations of supporting insurgents. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:27, 14

December 2011 (UTC)

You can see that I've not reverted it back to the infobox. What I'm concerned about is

the heading you changed. See my comment above. --lTopGunl (talk) 23:30, 14

December 2011 (UTC)
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Yes, but your friend did. The heading is neutral as is, what exactly would you

prefer it to be called? Darkness Shines (talk) 23:32, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

You certainly do not mean to put another user's burden on me, do you?

You can discuss or point out the Taliban related consensus to him here

and see if he agrees to that on this case. About the heading, Remove

'alleged' which is redundant and has implication when placed in heading.Just foreign support is not a POV as the first sentence clarifies it and also

I've given Taliban as an example, --lTopGunl (talk) 23:39, 14 December

2011 (UTC)

i have found a source that says India is supporting the insurgency ,there are numerous reports detailing this from

indain consulates to a dossier the Pakistani PM gave to the Indian PM, by all means include a indian rejection of

such allegations but its not in the spirit of information and wikipedia to deny multiple reports of Indian involvment

--Ambelland (talk) 23:42, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Well done you, however it will not go in the info box, only the article. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:45, 14

December 2011 (UTC)

no your denials can go in the article, the facts will remain in the info box... --Ambelland (talk) 23:46, 14 December

2011 (UTC)

Tagged as POV Darkness Shines (talk) 23:48, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I see you have tagged it, please make your comments and "arguments " in the talk page, so all users can come to a

consensus. bearing in mind that the POV dispute is releated to the india infosection bit, which seems like a

nondispute to me, as indian denial is included in the article --Ambelland (talk) 23:50, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Ambelland, you might want to take a look at this consensus at WP:NPOVN#Taliban. Although I do not

support this case being fully similar to that but I'm not reverting it as yet on those basis. Darkness shines, do

we have a consensus on the heading? --lTopGunl (talk) 23:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Unsure on the heading, I do not see how you can state foreign support when those accused of it deny the

allegation, it seems more neutral as is. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:57, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

You've given Taliban as an example here to follow one part of your argument, not taking it as an

example for this part too would be double standards. "Foreign support" doesn't implicate that

India's support was a fact but rather categorizes the content where everything is properly

explained. The categorizing itself to be done with the word alleged or confirmed on contrary

would be incorrect. --lTopGunl (talk) 00:02, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I think we have agreement for the indain link to remain in the info box and the denial to be in the article ...the POV

tag is no longer neede --Ambelland (talk) 00:09, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Please do not claim a false consensus, the tag will remain so long as the info box is POV Darkness Shines


Alright we have resolved the heading issue here. The next is whether the same consensus as

WP:NPOVN#Taliban is applicable here. --lTopGunl (talk) 00:19, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Since some instances including this one itself are using brackets here, how about putting "Claimed by Pakistan" in

the bracket instead of "Against Pakistan"? This way it will be self clarifying. Note that the citings say that Pakistan

says it has undeniable evidence. --lTopGunl (talk) 00:26, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

How about using "claimed by NATO, Afghanistan, India, Russia, London School of Economics, BBC, etc." in

the Taliban infobox? NATO and Afghanistan, etc. also say they have undeniable evidence. You only have

claims by Pakistani officers as a source and want to add it to the infobox, while for the Pakistani support forthe Taliban there are endless reliable sources and you do not want to add it. You are obviously putting undue
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weight on Pakistan's claims. JCAla (talk) 08:48, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

To start with, this is a separate case. Each case may be (and may be not) taken as a crit eria for another.

That is why I said we have to see how it is similar to that. And this discussion is not about Taliban

article and we have a already have a consensus for that. If this turns out to be similar, the same can apply

to this. I've not 'put' any weight yet. I did not add/revert the flagicon which you removed. Also, I've

pointed out above, this article seems to put in othercountries too. What about them... --lTopGunl (talk)09:08, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

The editors who entered the other countries should check what is the situation of sources for these countries

too. I am not familiar with the official position of every single country mentioned in the infobox. JCAla (talk)

09:17, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I never said you should... but keeping them (in case they deny) and consensus from Taliban ends up to

be applied here, would be unfair and should also be checked. You removed US, is there a denial from

them? --lTopGunl (talk) 09:28, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, there is denial from them. Also, consider that there are many more reliable sources accusing Pakistan of

supporting the Taliban and there are only very few sources accusing India and US of supporting the Balochs.

So it is not a question whether the Taliban infobox consensus can be applied here, to the contrary. JCAla (talk)

10:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll expect a source for the US denial since you removed it. No of sources play some part in verifiability

but just because the same thing is published repeatedly doesn't make it more neutral or less neutral rather

just more verifiable. So the discussion about inclusion is still open. Note that we can refer to that as an

example but this also has it's own subject notability and merits which we will have to weigh. --lTopGunl


As you said before, the responsibility to provide sources lies with the proposer of an information.

Nevertheless, US denies backing Balochistan liberation[22]

. The difference in source availability is not just in

number but also in variety and independence from one another. JCAla (talk) 10:45, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Will check the source. I meant even if I provided a source a denial would still get a reason from you to

remove as per other consensus, hence asked for the source. You are confusing reliability with neutrality.

--lTopGunl (talk) 09:25, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

References

[1] http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?reportid=33731

[2] http://www.hrcp-web. org/images/publication/balochistan%20report/pdf/balochistan_report. pdf

[3] http://us.rediff. com/news/2006/jan/18spec1. htm

[4] http://fpc.org. uk/fsblob/817. pdf

[5] http://columbia.thefreedictionary.

com/Baluchistan[6] http://www.globalsecurity. org/military/library/news/2006/02/mil-060202-irin03. htm

[7] http://www.onwar. com/aced/data/papa/pakistan1973. htm

[8] http://www.nation. com. pk/daily/feb-2006/26/index6.php

[9] http://www.crisisgroup. org/home/index. cfm?l=1&id=4373

[10] http://www.actionaid.org/pakistan/1791_4_4129. html

[11] http://www.balochvoice. com/Historical_Facts.html

[12] http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/12/30/10093053.html

[13] http://www.newsline.com. pk/newsFeb2005/cover1feb2005.htm

[14] http://www.rferl.org/content/Jundallah_Profile_Of_A_Sunni_Extremist_Group/1856699. html|

[15] http://www.rferl.org/content/Iran_Offers_ShortTerm_Solutions_To_LongTerm_Problems_Of_Baluch_Minority/1858243. html|

[16] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index. php?title=Talk:Balochistan_conflict&diff=400501416&oldid=400498440

[17] http://news.bbc. co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8312964.stm

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