The Antiscion (pl. Antiscia; Antiscions) of any given planet is a point equal in distance on the opposite side of the solsticial axis to the planet's position, effectively the "shadow" of a planet. Once held to be a powerful fortitude equivalent to sextile or trine, this is rarely considered by modern astrologers, perhaps because it is a geometrical abstraction, rather than a real rock. However, the current interest in ancient and mediæval astrology has inclined some of us to take another look at what had been previously dismissed as obsolete techniques. One sometimes finds that there seems to be no pertinent modern astrological explanation for certain events, so perhaps we should take a more serious look at what the ancients had to say.The midpoint of a planet's position and its antiscion is always the point of the solstice (1° Cancer – 1° Capricorn). For example, when the Sun is in the tenth degree of Taurus, this is as far distant from the first degree of Cancer as it would be if placed in the twentieth degree of Leo, its antiscion. The antiscion thus energises any planet in that degree, or which casts an aspect to that degree, so planets which are otherwise not in normal aspect can have an important relationship via the antiscion.

In order to calculate the sign in which the antiscion of a given planet lies, consult this table. For example, if we are seeking the antiscion of Mars in Gemini, it will be found in Cancer. In the case of Saturn in Virgo, its antiscion would be in Aries. And so on with any planet.

Table of the Antiscion Relationship of Signs

GEMINI ↔

CANCER

LEO ↔

TAURUS

VIRGO ↔

ARIES

LIBRA ↔

PISCES

SCORPIO ↔

AQUARIUS

SAGITTARIUS ↔

CAPRICORN

The degree and minute of an antiscion can then be calculated using the following table. I have reproduced Lilly's explanation of the table, with spelling and grammar modernised for clarity.If you would like to know the exact degrees and minutes, you must work as follows.

If Saturn is located at 20 degrees and 35 minutes of Leo, where in the Zodiac will I find Saturn's Antiscion? Looking across from Leo in the first table I find Taurus, which means Saturn's Antiscion is in Taurus. Subtracting Saturn's degree and minute from 30 degrees, the remainder gives both the degree and minute of the Antiscion.

Now Saturn being 20 degrees and 35 minutes of Leo, I subtract that from the 30 degrees of the whole sign to get the position of the Antiscion.

Deg. Min.

From 30° 00'

Subtract 20° 35'

Leaving 09° 25'

I subtracted 35 minutes from one whole degree (i.e. 60 minutes) which I borrowed, leaving 25 minutes. In the next column I paid back the borrowed 1 degree, and subtracted that from 10, leaving 9 degrees. Lastly, the 1 that I borrowed plus 2 make 3, taken from 3, leaves 0, so then I find the Antiscion of Saturn to be in 9 degrees & 25 minutes of Taurus, which as you see is over against Leo. The following Table allows an even quicker calculation.

Antiscion in Degrees

Antiscion of the Planets in Minutes

1 29 1 59 16 44

2 28 2 58 17 43

3 27 3 57 18 42

4 26 4 56 19 41

5 25 5 55 20 40

6 24 6 54 21 39

7 23 7 53 22 38

8 22 8 52 23 37

9 21 9 51 24 36

10 20 10 50 25 35

11 19 11 49 26 34

12 18 12 48 27 33

13 17 13 47 28 32

14 16 14 46 29 31

15 15 15 45 30 30It is easy to use if you enter the whole degrees of the planet in the first two columns. Should Mars be placed in the 14th degree of a Sign, look for 14 in the first column; the next column over against it is 16, so in that degree lies his Antiscion. [Bear in mind that Lilly uses the system of degrees beginning at 1, rather than 0, so 00° 17' is described as being in the 1st degree; 13° 17' is described as being in the 14th degree, etc. This can cause confusion, but is straightforward enough when you get the hang of it.]

If you have minutes, enter them in the last four columns. If you enter 17 minutes in the first column, over against it you find 43. Or first look to the Sign where the Antiscion falls, then subtract the number of degrees and minutes the planet is in from 30. What remains is the degree and minute of the Antiscion.Contra-AntiscionsJust as there are Antiscions, which we think are equal to a sextile or trine, so are there Contra-Antiscions, which we find to be of the nature of a square or opposition. To find the Contra-Antiscion, find the sign and degree of the Antiscion, and then in the sign and degree opposite that place is the Contra-Antiscion. If, as in the former examples, the Antiscion of Saturn is in 9 degrees and 25 minutes of Taurus, his Contra-Antiscion must then be in 9 degrees and 25 minutes of Scorpio.

Table of the Antiscion & Contra-Antiscion Relationship of Signs

ARIES ↔

LIBRA

TAURUS ↔

SCORPIO

GEMINI ↔

SAGITTARIUS

CANCER ↔

CAPRICORN

LEO ↔

AQUARIUS

VIRGO ↔

PISCESIt will be interesting to see if traditional techniques such as antiscion and contra-antiscion, along with even more abstruse Hellenistic methods, achieve greater popularity as the work of antiquarians such as Robert Schmidt and Robert Hand come further into the public eye—or at least the eye of modern astrologers. Using these techniques requires a restructuring of the typical modern worldview away from the concrete, psychological and materialistic modes of thought and a return to the symbolic, geometrical and numerological approach of more wholistically minded times. So far, I have found antiscion and contra-antiscion contacts to be very revealing in synastry relationship analysis, but more research is needed before we can call that a major principle. Perhaps it will remain very much a minority interest, but time will tell.This is the end of the article.

The Antiscion (pl. Antiscia; Antiscions) of any given planet is a point equal in distance on the opposite side of the solsticial axis to the planet's position, effectively the "shadow" of a planet. Once held to be a powerful fortitude equivalent to sextile or trine, this is rarely considered by modern astrologers, perhaps because it is a geometrical abstraction, rather than a real rock. However, the current interest in ancient and mediæval astrology has inclined some of us to take another look at what had been previously dismissed as obsolete techniques. One sometimes finds that there seems to be no pertinent modern astrological explanation for certain events, so perhaps we should take a more serious look at what the ancients had to say.The midpoint of a planet's position and its antiscion is always the point of the solstice (1° Cancer – 1° Capricorn). For example, when the Sun is in the tenth degree of Taurus, this is as far distant from the first degree of Cancer as it would be if placed in the twentieth degree of Leo, its antiscion. The antiscion thus energises any planet in that degree, or which casts an aspect to that degree, so planets which are otherwise not in normal aspect can have an important relationship via the antiscion.

In order to calculate the sign in which the antiscion of a given planet lies, consult this table. For example, if we are seeking the antiscion of Mars in Gemini, it will be found in Cancer. In the case of Saturn in Virgo, its antiscion would be in Aries. And so on with any planet.

Table of the Antiscion Relationship of Signs

GEMINI ↔

CANCER

LEO ↔

TAURUS

VIRGO ↔

ARIES

LIBRA ↔

PISCES

SCORPIO ↔

AQUARIUS

SAGITTARIUS ↔

CAPRICORN

The degree and minute of an antiscion can then be calculated using the following table. I have reproduced Lilly's explanation of the table, with spelling and grammar modernised for clarity.If you would like to know the exact degrees and minutes, you must work as follows.

If Saturn is located at 20 degrees and 35 minutes of Leo, where in the Zodiac will I find Saturn's Antiscion? Looking across from Leo in the first table I find Taurus, which means Saturn's Antiscion is in Taurus. Subtracting Saturn's degree and minute from 30 degrees, the remainder gives both the degree and minute of the Antiscion.

Now Saturn being 20 degrees and 35 minutes of Leo, I subtract that from the 30 degrees of the whole sign to get the position of the Antiscion.

Deg. Min.

From 30° 00'

Subtract 20° 35'

Leaving 09° 25'

I subtracted 35 minutes from one whole degree (i.e. 60 minutes) which I borrowed, leaving 25 minutes. In the next column I paid back the borrowed 1 degree, and subtracted that from 10, leaving 9 degrees. Lastly, the 1 that I borrowed plus 2 make 3, taken from 3, leaves 0, so then I find the Antiscion of Saturn to be in 9 degrees & 25 minutes of Taurus, which as you see is over against Leo. The following Table allows an even quicker calculation.

Antiscion in Degrees

Antiscion of the Planets in Minutes

1 29 1 59 16 44

2 28 2 58 17 43

3 27 3 57 18 42

4 26 4 56 19 41

5 25 5 55 20 40

6 24 6 54 21 39

7 23 7 53 22 38

8 22 8 52 23 37

9 21 9 51 24 36

10 20 10 50 25 35

11 19 11 49 26 34

12 18 12 48 27 33

13 17 13 47 28 32

14 16 14 46 29 31

15 15 15 45 30 30It is easy to use if you enter the whole degrees of the planet in the first two columns. Should Mars be placed in the 14th degree of a Sign, look for 14 in the first column; the next column over against it is 16, so in that degree lies his Antiscion. [Bear in mind that Lilly uses the system of degrees beginning at 1, rather than 0, so 00° 17' is described as being in the 1st degree; 13° 17' is described as being in the 14th degree, etc. This can cause confusion, but is straightforward enough when you get the hang of it.]

If you have minutes, enter them in the last four columns. If you enter 17 minutes in the first column, over against it you find 43. Or first look to the Sign where the Antiscion falls, then subtract the number of degrees and minutes the planet is in from 30. What remains is the degree and minute of the Antiscion.Contra-AntiscionsJust as there are Antiscions, which we think are equal to a sextile or trine, so are there Contra-Antiscions, which we find to be of the nature of a square or opposition. To find the Contra-Antiscion, find the sign and degree of the Antiscion, and then in the sign and degree opposite that place is the Contra-Antiscion. If, as in the former examples, the Antiscion of Saturn is in 9 degrees and 25 minutes of Taurus, his Contra-Antiscion must then be in 9 degrees and 25 minutes of Scorpio.

Table of the Antiscion & Contra-Antiscion Relationship of Signs

ARIES ↔

LIBRA

TAURUS ↔

SCORPIO

GEMINI ↔

SAGITTARIUS

CANCER ↔

CAPRICORN

LEO ↔

AQUARIUS

VIRGO ↔

PISCESIt will be interesting to see if traditional techniques such as antiscion and contra-antiscion, along with even more abstruse Hellenistic methods, achieve greater popularity as the work of antiquarians such as Robert Schmidt and Robert Hand come further into the public eye—or at least the eye of modern astrologers. Using these techniques requires a restructuring of the typical modern worldview away from the concrete, psychological and materialistic modes of thought and a return to the symbolic, geometrical and numerological approach of more wholistically minded times. So far, I have found antiscion and contra-antiscion contacts to be very revealing in synastry relationship analysis, but more research is needed before we can call that a major principle. Perhaps it will remain very much a minority interest, but time will tell.This is the end of the article.

The Antiscion (pl. Antiscia; Antiscions) of any given planet is a point equal in distance on the opposite side of the solsticial axis to the planet's position, effectively the "shadow" of a planet. Once held to be a powerful fortitude equivalent to sextile or trine, this is rarely considered by modern astrologers, perhaps because it is a geometrical abstraction, rather than a real rock. However, the current interest in ancient and mediæval astrology has inclined some of us to take another look at what had been previously dismissed as obsolete techniques. One sometimes finds that there seems to be no pertinent modern astrological explanation for certain events, so perhaps we should take a more serious look at what the ancients had to say.The midpoint of a planet's position and its antiscion is always the point of the solstice (1° Cancer – 1° Capricorn). For example, when the Sun is in the tenth degree of Taurus, this is as far distant from the first degree of Cancer as it would be if placed in the twentieth degree of Leo, its antiscion. The antiscion thus energises any planet in that degree, or which casts an aspect to that degree, so planets which are otherwise not in normal aspect can have an important relationship via the antiscion.

In order to calculate the sign in which the antiscion of a given planet lies, consult this table. For example, if we are seeking the antiscion of Mars in Gemini, it will be found in Cancer. In the case of Saturn in Virgo, its antiscion would be in Aries. And so on with any planet.

Table of the Antiscion Relationship of Signs

GEMINI ↔

CANCER

LEO ↔

TAURUS

VIRGO ↔

ARIES

LIBRA ↔

PISCES

SCORPIO ↔

AQUARIUS

SAGITTARIUS ↔

CAPRICORN

The degree and minute of an antiscion can then be calculated using the following table. I have reproduced Lilly's explanation of the table, with spelling and grammar modernised for clarity.If you would like to know the exact degrees and minutes, you must work as follows.

If Saturn is located at 20 degrees and 35 minutes of Leo, where in the Zodiac will I find Saturn's Antiscion? Looking across from Leo in the first table I find Taurus, which means Saturn's Antiscion is in Taurus. Subtracting Saturn's degree and minute from 30 degrees, the remainder gives both the degree and minute of the Antiscion.

Now Saturn being 20 degrees and 35 minutes of Leo, I subtract that from the 30 degrees of the whole sign to get the position of the Antiscion.

Deg. Min.

From 30° 00'

Subtract 20° 35'

Leaving 09° 25'

I subtracted 35 minutes from one whole degree (i.e. 60 minutes) which I borrowed, leaving 25 minutes. In the next column I paid back the borrowed 1 degree, and subtracted that from 10, leaving 9 degrees. Lastly, the 1 that I borrowed plus 2 make 3, taken from 3, leaves 0, so then I find the Antiscion of Saturn to be in 9 degrees & 25 minutes of Taurus, which as you see is over against Leo. The following Table allows an even quicker calculation.

Antiscion in Degrees

Antiscion of the Planets in Minutes

1 29 1 59 16 44

2 28 2 58 17 43

3 27 3 57 18 42

4 26 4 56 19 41

5 25 5 55 20 40

6 24 6 54 21 39

7 23 7 53 22 38

8 22 8 52 23 37

9 21 9 51 24 36

10 20 10 50 25 35

11 19 11 49 26 34

12 18 12 48 27 33

13 17 13 47 28 32

14 16 14 46 29 31

15 15 15 45 30 30It is easy to use if you enter the whole degrees of the planet in the first two columns. Should Mars be placed in the 14th degree of a Sign, look for 14 in the first column; the next column over against it is 16, so in that degree lies his Antiscion. [Bear in mind that Lilly uses the system of degrees beginning at 1, rather than 0, so 00° 17' is described as being in the 1st degree; 13° 17' is described as being in the 14th degree, etc. This can cause confusion, but is straightforward enough when you get the hang of it.]

If you have minutes, enter them in the last four columns. If you enter 17 minutes in the first column, over against it you find 43. Or first look to the Sign where the Antiscion falls, then subtract the number of degrees and minutes the planet is in from 30. What remains is the degree and minute of the Antiscion.Contra-AntiscionsJust as there are Antiscions, which we think are equal to a sextile or trine, so are there Contra-Antiscions, which we find to be of the nature of a square or opposition. To find the Contra-Antiscion, find the sign and degree of the Antiscion, and then in the sign and degree opposite that place is the Contra-Antiscion. If, as in the former examples, the Antiscion of Saturn is in 9 degrees and 25 minutes of Taurus, his Contra-Antiscion must then be in 9 degrees and 25 minutes of Scorpio.

Table of the Antiscion & Contra-Antiscion Relationship of Signs

ARIES ↔

LIBRA

TAURUS ↔

SCORPIO

GEMINI ↔

SAGITTARIUS

CANCER ↔

CAPRICORN

LEO ↔

AQUARIUS

VIRGO ↔

PISCESIt will be interesting to see if traditional techniques such as antiscion and contra-antiscion, along with even more abstruse Hellenistic methods, achieve greater popularity as the work of antiquarians such as Robert Schmidt and Robert Hand come further into the public eye—or at least the eye of modern astrologers. Using these techniques requires a restructuring of the typical modern worldview away from the concrete, psychological and materialistic modes of thought and a return to the symbolic, geometrical and numerological approach of more wholistically minded times. So far, I have found antiscion and contra-antiscion contacts to be very revealing in synastry relationship analysis, but more research is needed before we can call that a major principle. Perhaps it will remain very much a minority interest, but time will tell.This is the end of the article.

Part of Fortune (Fortuna) – Table of Dignities

Note:Part of Fortune (Fortuna; Pars Fortunae) should be calculated in Diurnal Charts by adding the longitude of the Moon to that of the Ascendant and then subtracting the longitude of the Sun, while in Nocturnal Charts calculate it by adding the longitude of the Sun to that of the Ascendant and subtracting that of the Moon. See our section on Arabic Parts for more detail on how to calculate the position of the Part of Fortune in a horoscope chart.

• Please consult our online Glossary of Astrological Terms for more information.

Part of Fortune (Fortuna) – Table of Dignities

Note:Part of Fortune (Fortuna; Pars Fortunae) should be calculated in Diurnal Charts by adding the longitude of the Moon to that of the Ascendant and then subtracting the longitude of the Sun, while in Nocturnal Charts calculate it by adding the longitude of the Sun to that of the Ascendant and subtracting that of the Moon. See our section on Arabic Parts for more detail on how to calculate the position of the Part of Fortune in a horoscope chart.

• Please consult our online Glossary of Astrological Terms for more information.

The Part of Fortune Strengths Scor

e Weaknesses Score

In Taurus or Pisces 5 In Scorpio, Capricorn, or Aquarius -5

In Libra, Sagittarius, Leo, or Cancer 4 In Aries 0

In Gemini 3 Partile conjunction Saturn or Mars -5

In terms of Venus and Jupiter when in Virgo

2 Partile opposition Saturn or Mars -4

Beseiged by Jupiter and Venus 6 Beseiged by Saturn and Mars -6

Partile conjunction Jupiter or Venus 5 Partile conjunction Moon's South Node -3

Partile trine Jupiter or Venus 4 In terms of Saturn or Mars -2

Partile sextile Jupiter or Venus 3 In 12th House -5

Partile conjunction Moon's North Node 3 In 8th or 6th House -4

In 1st or 10th House 5 Combust -5

In 7th, 4th, or 11th House 4 Conjunct Caput Algol -6

In 2nd or 5th House 3 Conjunct other Fixed Star of Infortune -4

In 9th House 2 Partile opposition to Fixed Star of Infortune

-4

In 3rd House 1 Partile square Fixed Star of Infortune -3

Conjunct Regulus (Cor Leonis) 6

Conjunct Spica (Alpha Virginis) 5

Conjunct any other Fixed Star of Fortune

4

Neither Combust nor Under Beams 5

AntisciaA Technique Used by Uranian Astrologers

& Associated with the Aries Point

  ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

 ..One interest I have is medical astrology, so I've used Eb ertin's CSI.(midpoints) for a long time, as well as Eileen Nauman's section on.TNP's in "The America n Book of Nutrition and Medical Astrology". ..I include midpoints and antiscia in all but horary wor k.  ..My most recent projects are investigation of a particular set of.earthquakes, jointly with ano ther astrologer, and long-term.investigation/writing about Native American history (post-Columbian).   -  JJElkins      JOURNEY INTO DEATH - Robert Donath, $7         The author's admiration for Bishop James A. Pike (St. John the  [Image]Divine, NYC) serves as a springboard for an advanced study of         Uranian rectification methods. Paper.      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:01:17 +0100 From:          Lorenzo Smerillo <smerillo@rdn.it> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@kiwi.winz.co.nz> Subject:       antiscionI'd like to add a few comments about this topic.It seems that the term was invented by Firmicus Maternus in the 4th century CE. What it means is 'reflections' or 'casting shadows in the opposite direction-- as in a mirror'. The terms has much the same meaning as Ptolomy's 'bleponta' (tetr. I.15) meaning 'looking at' each other.In Ptol. the term is used NOT of degrees or planets, but of the declination risings and settings of SIGNS over the horizon. It is Firmicus who uses it as an interpretative method for degrees at which planets are placed (Mathesis II.29, cf. VIII.3,1-5).Interestingly Geddings (Arkana Dictionary of Astrology, London, revd ed. 1990) mentions (as always in his annoying book, without proper references) that Guido Bonatti 'was at pains to distinguish the modern sense of the antiscion, which he called the 'antiscium (pl. antiscia) from the declination 'antiscium''.As far as Ptol. is concerned this distinction should be maintained, he is talking about risings of signs, not planet placements in degrees. He sets out the relationship of signs in function of the equinoces (Tetr. I.15) which gives signs which are 'dominate or dominated', whilst in function of the solstices (I.16) signs which 'see each other or are equipollent.' In this Ptol. is in the Egyptian tradition of observation of constellational risings (such as are the decans).Firmicus provides us with the only extant Latin horoscope from antiquity, which he uses to demonstrate his theory of antiscia. The date of the chart is 14 March 303 CE. The person to whom it appertains has been identified as Ceionius Refus Albinus, Praefect of The City (Rome) 336-337 CE (and hence a near contemporary of Firmicus himself).We can look at this chart and wonder what Firmicus was actually up to. I have calculated it for the date, 14 March 303, set for Rome (12E29 41N54) and checked out several times, deciding that 21.30 GMT was probably the most likely, given that Firmicus says (Mathesis II.29,10-20) 'Venus located on the Descendant in the chart' (taking this to mean, as often in ancient astrological texts, that it was near the Descendant).The positions calculated are  AS 14.14 SC    MC 24.34 LE     MO 14.34CN    SO 24.00 PI ME 26.30 AQ    VE  9.38 TA     MA 11.16 AQ    JU 7.12 AR SA 17.27 VI       UR 16.55 SC    NE 29.08 CN     PL 16.34 LI CH 5.17 AQ        NN  3.25 LI Firmicus says that JU is in PI. Wrong. But he is right to point out the antiscion between Sun and Jupiter, which contradicts what he says about JU being in PI, obviously. To account for the fact that Refus Albinus was an adulterer (a high offence under the new laws of Constantine), Firmicus says 'Mars in Aquarius sends an antiscion toward Scorpio, thus the antiscion of Mars found Venus located on the Descendant in the chart...' Which may be a plausible explanation. Until one notices that UR is on the ASC, which Firmicus could not have known. Or one could look at the midpoint tree of VE:VE-135-SO VE-90-MA ---o--- (ASC) MO PL SA/UR NE/NNWhich looks to me like a great amount of sexual drive and energy (VE/MA=SO)in this person, and with the 22.30 midpoints (below the line ---o---) of high emotivity (MO/PL) and a tendency to vagueness in relations (NE/NN) and some problems with changing structural confines (SA/UR), for an upper class, politically powerful Roman, adultery might be indicated (and a common occurance, hence the need for Constantine's laws, which for their repressive severity read more like something Cotton Mather and Torquemada could only have imagined in their wildest dreams, but I'll spare you the details!)But what I find more striking in this chart is the 12th harmonic aspect relationships between SA  PL  UR  MO  and the ASC.  There is also a very striking antiscion between the MO and SA, which leads me to suspect that Firmicus got whatever Moon position he was using wrong, as well. But note: the planets in the 12H aspect relationship are all involved in the midpoint tree above.So much for the broken bricks and rubble of astrological archaeology.What does drive me quite around the bend about ancient astrologers is their lack of consistent method. Firmicus is particularly bad about this, even worse than Ptol. and Dorotheus: one constantly confronted with ideas which have no mathematical basis, and thus no connective congruency between them (e.g. rulerships as related to aspects). The issue of antiscions, or counter scions, is perhaps to be seen as a special case of midpointing. In a very important and often neglected article of Axel Harvey 'The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions Midpoints and Other Mean Points' [in John Addey's _Harmonic Anthology_ (AFA, Tempe, AZ, 1983) reprinted from _The Astrological Journal_ XIV/4 (1972)] gives the mathematical formula for all these related pieces of astrological language. Having *A* mathematical formula is important: it defines what can be talked about in a congruent manner, and what cannot.What Harvey points out is that antiscions are a function of the 12th harmonic when they are based on an agreed fiducial: the Vernal Point, or Aries Point. Of course what happens mathematically is that all the equinox and solstice points become involved in this, due to their 4th Harmonic relationship, so that antiscion or counter scions are in fact the same thing. What also can be seen is that any point at, say, 7 AR will also be forming 12H aspects with all points at 7 degrees (aspects of 30, 60, 90, 120, 180 etc.) and hence drawn into the picture formed by the points directly related as forming midpoints on the antiscionic axis. (However, I personally have some serious objections to taking the 12th Harmonic very seriously, as well as its derivative 'zodiac sign' information, but that is another issue.)The antiscion is rather special for two reasons: one is the acceptance of the Vernal Point (which determines what 'zodiac' one is using). The other reason is related but not the same: the Solar Apex and Galactic Centre (the point twoards which the Sun is moving and the centre of our galaxy) are currently located at 2.27 CP and 26.53 SG respectively. This puts them into a -90- relationship with the Vernal or Aries Point. Of course this is applicable only to the last 200-300 years. Before that both these points were in SG. I can see good reason for accepting an infra-solar-earth relationship of the Vernal Point as an important measurement indicator, and this is re-inforced currently by the SApex and GC points.What is more important, to my way of thinking, is that both these reasons fit into the mathematical scheme of astrology and remain congruent with aspects, harmonics and midpoints. In this the Aries Point functions in a special way like an important degree axis in any other chart, no matter where that particular degree axis falls. To take an example one could build a solid case that the supermidpoint SO/MO//AS/MC is highly central and sensitive in any chart and that its midpoint structure is quite indicative of what sort of information that chart is giving us. The Aries point functions in much the same way and may even contain some information about a wider context beyond the bounds of Helios' Garden of Whirling Balls!With my best regards,Lorenzo Smerillo            ------ Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:20:48 -0500 From:          JJ Elkins <JJElkins@worldnet.att.net> To:            The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:       Re: ## Jerry:  AntisciaThe Uranian Group wrote:> ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > To:            juno@winz.co.nz > Subject:       Antiscia > From:          ankastra@juno.com (Gerald A Foulger) > Date:          Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:19:36 EST > > Hi Steve and Uranians, > > Found some more info on Antiscia. In a book titled "Astrology"s > Special Measurements" Edited by Noel Tyl from Llewellyn Pubs 1994, is an > article by Tom Bridges "Nodes and Antiscia: The Beginning of Measurement > in Astrology".  I am still trying to determine if it says how they > are used or if it is just a history and explanation of what they are?  Hi Jerry and Everyone,I've used antiscia for a very long time, since reading the works of IvyGoldstein-Jacobson in the 70's.  She described them  as marking "turning points" when aspected in some way.I've found them useful in horary, bringing the querent and another person or object together in absence of another aspect between them. For instance, for a lost pet, the solstice point of the planet ruling the pet falling on the Ascendant brought the pet and owner back together.For those who haven't worked with SP's (or antiscia), I'll repeat here a useful diagram from one of Ivy G-J's books: (Here and There in Astrology, 1964 reprint, p 103)"Take the planet's REMAINING degrees-&-minutes in the Sign it is in for the degrees-&-minutes for its Solstice Point.  The Sign to use is the one on the same line with the planet's, in the following diagram:" .          Capricorn........Sagittarius          Aquarius..........Scorpio          Pisces .............Libra          Aries...............Virgo          Taurus............Leo          Gemini...........CancerFor instance, the current antiscia for Pluto (transiting 8 Sag 3.5 at 0h GMT 3/8/98) is at 21 Cap 56.5.  These are points that fall equidistant  from the Cancer/Cap axis.  The antiscia in fixed signs are  particularly potent since they are always in signs that square each other.  If you will notice, the other pairs of antiscial signs are either in semisextile (Cap/Sag... Gem/Cancer) or in quincunx  (Pis/Lib... Ari/Vir).  These latter two aspect types are said to be  "in aversion" in Ptolemaic astrology.In natal astrology, note when transits and progressions fall on the antiscia of a planet or angular point, and you should see a "reflexive" action  on the planet.When antiscia occur mundanely, it's similar to having the two planets in conjunction.I've also found the contrascia points to be useful.  These fall at equidistant points from the 0 Aries/Libra axis.I would like to hear how Uranian astrologers have used these points, since I'm new to Uranian studies.  In particular, I would like to know if  anyone has studied their value when antiscia fall upon midpoints or  planetary pictures.Apologies to all if my information repeats something that's already been sent.  I have just gotten two months worth of posts after a computer  crash in January, and still have a lot of catching up to do!  > In the same volume is an article by Arlene Kramer "Uranian Astrology: > Practical and Productive". This is an interesting intro to the system > and was one of the events that got me interested in Uranian > Astrology. However, it is coming into contact with this list that > really got me digging into it again. > > Also, there is in Chapter 5 of "Uranian Astrology Guide" by Sylvia > Sherman and Jori Frank an explanation and sort of a use of Antiscia. I am > still working out how to use them myself. It seems that Antiscia were > (and are) of some of importance in Uranian Astrology. They were important > in ancient astrology as they are dealt with in Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos. > > Hope things are well with you, > > Jerry      ankastra@juno.com        From:            "Chanchai" Date sent:       Mon, 16 Nov 1998 Dear Steve,Concerning practical use of antiscia in delineation, I can confirm that Uranian Astrologers in Thailand normally use antiscia. We always mark personal point's antiscia on the horoscope with all the other planets and hypothetical points. We consider them only a little bit weaker than the actual one. However as antiscia always involves Aries point (The formular of an antiscion is a = Aries + Aries - a) so in natal chart the antiscia always imply the character that seen by the public. For example - Sun (Aries + Aries - Sun) imply the body as appeared amogst the public and seen by the public. Moreover in prediction on issues concerning the public, it always turn out that antiscia impose stronger out come than the real planets or factors. Here we have a software called horoplot, this software print out all the planets and personal points with their antiscia on a chart ready for working with the standard metal disk of 6 inches ( 360, 90, 45 and 22.30 disks)Best regards,Chanchai        <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> Return-Path: <pb@bert-a.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:29:13 -0500 From: pb <pb@bert-a.com> Subject: Antiscia article IIHello to the Group,The article quotes that I am entering on these two posts concerning  antiscia were written by student colleagues of Alfred Witte during his lifetime. These are very old articles, maybe 40 or 50 years old. These two men Richard Svehla and Otto Wilms were German and studied the astrology of Witte, as members of his generation, first hand. Therefore, their teachings, to coin a phrase, come "right from the horses mouth." The works of these early student/colleagues help us understand Wittes astrological thinking, and also how he came to use symmetry and the planetary picture. Wilms adds another dimension to the Witte astrological perspective that we regularly use in our prognostigations today.   Otto Wilms and the Antiscia    "Investigations on Mundane Events lead to the discovery that the planets corresponding to these events were grouped symmetrically around the axis (zero degrees) Cancer-Capricorn-Aries-Libra and the transiting points in 45 degrees from this main axis, producing an eightfold cross."    "And with the aid of this cross Witte rediscovered the Antiscia, the "Counter Shadows." Those reflective and sensitive points around the cross which before him the medieval astrologer Bonati had been using. This study of Mundane Events made it absolutely clear that the aspects used by traditional astrology were hopelessly inadequate for the determination of modern time events.""And moreover, there was no logical reason that angles of 0, 60, and 120 were regarded as favorable and those of 45, 90 and 180 as unfavorable. An angle was a means of measure, just as any other measure, and as we do not distinguish between 60 or 120 good feet and 45 or 90 bad feet, the aspects had to be reduced to what they were; a measure. This important break with traditional astrology caused much controversy because from then on the most beautiful trines and sextiles had lost their evaluation."     " With the Antiscia, Witte obtained the research base which later enabled him to establish his theory of planetary pictures. The means for the determination of these sensitive points was the mathematical equation. The starting point of the numericals was the Spring Equinox or 0 degrees of Aries going counter clockwise to 360 or 30 degrees of Pisces. Antiscia from 0 to 180 degrees were calculated Cancer plus Cancer minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Cancer equals 90 degrees. The Antiscia from 180 to 360 degrees were calculated Capricorn plus Capricorn minus Planet equals X (Antiscia), whereby Capricorn equals 270 degrees."END QUOTE:    We work very often with the 90 degree dial to analyze and predict the horoscope. When using the 90 degree dial, zero degrees is called the Aries Axis. This degree includes 0 degrees of all cardinal signs. So that new students do not get confused, let me clarify that THE ARIES AXIS IS NOT THE ANTISCIA., but rather the main axis for determining the Antiscia.Penny          ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:28:47 -0500 (EST) To:              "The Uranian Group"<juno@contact.net.nz> From:            Mary Downing <mdowning@allware.com> Subject:         Re: ## Bill: AntisciaHi FolksI'm picking nits:  Antiscia are anything reflected over the cardinal axis. It is simply created by either a transit or direction forming a planetary picture with 0 deg. cards as the midpoint.  Very simple.However Solstice points only reflect over Cancer / Capricorn.  They are a pairing of certain signs (as well as planets, points, etc.) and have a tradition apart from Uranian Astrology and Cosmobiology.  In fact these signs are considered to be linked in marriages, parent-child, etc.  I remember Ivy Goldstein Jacobsen was particularly enamoured of them.  I'd always assumed the concept arose originally  from some esoteric tradition.  --Mary        ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:15:44 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ##Chanchai: Antiscia & Solstice PointsHello Chanchai,Yes, of course you are correct. The Solstice and Equinox degrees  represent zero degrees of the Cardinal Signs ( the Sun at 0 degrees spring, summer, fall and winter). These are not called Antiscia. These axes are known as relating to world events or the public in general.  However, the calculation for Antiscia incorporates these axes in the calculation. Penny > However I disagree a little bit on the meaning of Solstice Points. > Solestice Points are not the same as Antiscia. Solestices are the points > in the ecliptic at which the Sun is at its greatest distances to the > north or south of the equator. These are called the solestice points or > solestices. The summer solestice is marked by the entry of the Sun in to > Cancer, the winter solestice by the entry of the Sun into Capricon. > Reference can be made to  general Astronomy books or Dictionary of > Astrology, for example "The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology by Fred > Gettings". > > Best regards, > > Chanchai >      ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- To:              juno@contact.net.nz Date sent:       Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:27:25 -0500 Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia/Bill From:            land774@juno.com (William F. Land)Hi Steve, Arlene, Penny, Chanchai & All:I posted the following to the Hekate group.  It is my response to someone who was having trouble making formulas of a particular type fit a chart. There are a few minor changes, corrections, and additions. Antiscia are symmetrically arrayed using zero degrees of Cancer/Capricorn as the axis of symmetry.  This axis is incorporated within the Aries axis on a 90-degree dial, hence my term, "90-degree dial antiscia" (for lack of a better one).  So for each point (A) on one side of the Aries axis, there is another point (B), equidistant from the Aries axis but on the other side of the Aries axis, that is antiscially related to the first point (A).  90-degree dial "B" may be square or opposite the actual 360-degree antiscion of "A".  This holds true of the antiscion of "B" with respect to "A". If you diagram this with the aid of your 90-degree dial (which you should), it will be obvious to you that: A-0=0-B [the distance of (A-0) is equal to the distance of (0-B), that is, A and B are equidistant to 0]; A+B=0+0; (A+B)/2=(0+0)/2; thus A/B=AR=0 (the half-sum of A and B is equal to the Aries Point or zero degrees Aries).  Furthermore, it will be easily seen that the antiscia of Cardinal signs always fall in Mutable signs and the antiscia of Mutable signs always fall in Cardinal signs, but the antiscia of Fixed signs always fall in Fixed signs. The following is a re-write of my Hekate list reply: Offhand, I have one interesting example of antiscial relationships working, though I don't mean to imply by giving only one example that this is a rare phenomenon.  Antiscia are always potentially active, and I always try to check them to see if they are being triggered.  Using Bill Clinton's chart [August 19, 1946; 8:51 AM CST, +6; Hope, AR (33N40; 93W35)] and setting up the directions and transits (10 PM EDT, +4; Washington, DC) for August 17, 1998, the day he publicly admitted to his affair with Monica Lewinsky, it became apparent that progressed MO antiscion (16:37 Virgo) was within range of his HAd (Hades directed) axis.  This axis cluster contained Mn/Md as well (personal assessment of development and/or reputation at this stage of life). Also gracing this axis is (VE/ZE)n.  If you look up this last half-sum in "Rules..", you will be as surprised as I was; it can mean "sperm or semen".   Being on the HAd axis could indicate that this semen was "old" or  "spent". The idea of the "semen stain" begins to emerge.  Earlier in the  day, I  believe Kenneth Starr may have confronted Clinton with evidence of a match between the DNA of the stain on Monica's dress and Clinton's DNA. Note the presence on this axis of (VE/MA)t, which I interpret as "sex love" or "intimate relationship".  You may want to consider the antiscion of (SU/MO)d (the antiscial half-sum of directed SU and directed MO) as within the developing cluster of chart factors including the antiscial progressed MO axis.  SU/MO is a general indicator of relationships, friendships, and partnerships. Most importantly, Mn+Md-Mt (for 10 PM) transited the 22.5-degree axis of the antiscial progressed MO cluster.  To me, among meanings of Mn+Md- Mt: "developing reputation at this particular moment in time", or "personal state at this minute in terms of an event".  The Mn+Md-Mt axis played host to (VE/MA)n, a confirmation of sorts that what was happening at that moment, with respect to Mr. Clinton's reputation, had to do with a sexual relationship.  --Bill         ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent:       Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:31:08 -0500 From:            pb <pb@bert-a.com> Organization:    Penelope Publications To:              The Uranian Group <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         Re: ## Antiscia or Solstice PointsHello All,Alfred Witte first rediscovered the antiscia of the signs and then applied them to the degrees of the zodiac in order to develop the   sensitive point a + b - c. The Antiscia involves what we call the Aries axis (zero degrees Cardinal Signs). Very well described in the preceding posts, the Equinox and Solstice points are involved. These points are used as if they were planets. In short, we refer to them as the ARIES axis. FURTHER REFERENCES   In two early articles, written before the inclusion of Fredriech  Sieggrun's  TNP's two students of Alfred Witte wrote the following in reference to ANTISCIA. The first article was written by Richard Svehla, original translator of Rules For Planetary Pictures contracted by Ludwig Rudolph. Svehla States:"Antiscions (also spelled Antiscians - Like most of the other horoscopical factors, the Antiscions are not new in astrology, but they have been neglected in modern times. Nothing can be found in modern astrological books concerning them, with the sole exception of some astrological dictionaries, and even in these the description of them is so meager  unsatisfactory as to be practically worthless.""The ancient astrologers used the ANtISCIONS extensively and at the  present time there ar e nuimerous astrologers in Europe who are beginning to use them consistently and with excellent results. What is an ANTISCION.  The word itself denotes a counter shadow. According to the dictionary, an " "ANTISCION" " is a dweller on the same Meridian, but on the other side of the Equator." " In astrology we understand the ANTISCION to be something like a reflex- point equidistant from the pole of the earth - a line running through the two solstice points, 0 degrees Capricorn and 0 degrees Cancer . . . one on one side, as the factor whose ANTISCION it is, is on the other side." "The pole of the Earth divides the circle of the ecliptic into two  hemispheres. On the other side there are signs: Capricorn to and including Gemini and on the other side those starting with Cancer to and including Sagittarius." The ANTISCION sign of Capricorn is SagittariusCap - Sag Aqu - Sco Pis - Lib Ari - Vir Tau - Leo Gem - Can"This means that a planet located in Gemini has its ANTISCION in the sign of Cancer and the calculation of the exact position is very simple." "For example take a position of the Sun in 12 degrees of Gemini. We know the ANTISCION must be located in Cancer and the exact position would be 18 degrees of Cancer. All we have to do is to subtract the exact position of the planet from a full sign of 30 degrees. The result is the exact position of the ANTISCION." "An ANTISCION is a zidiacal parallel of the same name, and is a point as far distant from Cancer zero degrees or Capricorn zero degrees on one side as the planet is on the other." END QUOTE:When we consider how the ANTISCION (from research with the parallel) developed, it becomes clear how the sensitive point and planetary picture then came into being. The planetary picture followed the natural sequence of events after the discovering the value of the ANTISCION (antiscia). This post has become so long that I will continue with the next quoted article by Witte original student, Otto Wilms, on another post. Penny          To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything               Date sent:       Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:22:08 +1300Dear Uranians,I have received the cost of the Thai software Horoplot, along with an image of one of the windows, showing English translations along with the Thai language notations.  This software draws in the locations of antiscia points (we have had several posts on this).The expected price for the program will not be more than 4,000  Baht (At the moment 1 US$ = 36 Baht).  This is approximately $111 USD.For further information, contact the software owner, Mr. Padung    <nontaa@ksc.th.com>Steve Lee        To:              "Steve Lee" <juno@winz.co.nz> Subject:         re:Darcy:Solstice Points Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:59:13 -0200Hi to all,(Regarding that Darcy asked about the meaning of solstice points I think that the following lines will clarify this subject) A few concepts about solstice points: I´m limited here to cite what I found in some books and articles related to the meaning of the solstice points: "...Antiscia or Solstice Points: ...An antiscion (the singular of antiscia) is a point that is equidistant with a given planet from either of the solstice points, 0º Cancer or 0º Capricorn. If a planet is in the antiscion degree of another planet, natally or by progresion, direction or transit, the two have a relationship that is of the nature of an aspect. Antiscia, then, are considered like sensitive points..." (DIAL DETECTIVE, Maria Kay Simms, ACS Publications, p. 93) "...If we put a planet or personal point anywhere on the 360º circle we can easily see that in order to maintain "balance" we would need another point or planet exactly equidistant from one or the other end of the axis. These "reflective" positions are referred to as antiscion points... In personal horoscopes the antiscion points will frequently connect the person to issues having to do with business or career. The Cancer/Capricorn axis as well as the Aries/Libra axis represent "the world", the generality. You can direct the antiscion points by Solar arc, direct other planets to them, and use them with transits also... When a natal position directs to the antiscion, something usually occurs that affects your relationship to the world..." (HIGH POINTS OF URANIAN TECHNIQUES", from classes given by Wayne Booher, in NCGR "The National Council for Geocosmic Research", Winter, 1991/1992, p. 23/24).   (Now comes one of the most ancient texts about antiscions that perhaps can be useful for those who want to know a little more about this important subject. I omit here "brevitatis causae" the very extense explanations given by the author for finding the antiscia points).   "...    The antiscia of the Greeks have been handed down by tradition. I do not wish anyone to think that this topic has not been discussed by the Greeks. For even Ptolemy followed no other theory but that of the antiscia. Antiochus, when he said that indeed Libra did not see Aries because the Earth was in the middle, as if through a mirror reached the theory of the antiscia. Dorotheus of Sidon, on the other hand, a very wise man who wrote about forecasting by the stars in very accurate and learned verses, explained the calculation of the antiscia in clear terms in his fourth book... All these we must now consider with careful inquiry so that our respectable profession should not at any time be dishonored by fraudulent lies in forecasts..." "... Thus if, in computing the chart, some of the planets are not in aspect, it must be asked whether they are connected to each other through the relationship of the antiscia. For when they send an antiscium in such a way that they are in aspect through the antiscium, in trine, square, sextile, or opposition, they portend just as if they were thus located in the normal arrangement, and all of these various influences fit together in the final calculation. When you do this you will easily be able to find out everything which is looked for in men´s destinies. For there is a theory underlying the nature of the antiscia which is strengthened by universal agreement; this theory I shall take care to explain to you at another time..." "... Putting all these things together you will discover how much force there is in the antiscia. If anyone follows up this topic with careful study the trend of his forecast will never fail him while he is studying the fate of men..."   ( MATHESEOS LIBRI VIII, Ancient Astrology Theory and Practice, by  Firmicus Maternus -Fourth Century A.D.-, Noyes Classical Studies, Noyes Press, Chapter XXIX, p. 58/68) I hope that this helps the understanding the antiscia´s concept.Mariano    From:            GarFairies@aol.com Date sent:       Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:51:51 EST To:              juno@winz.co.nz Subject:         Re:  %% Darcy: solstice point ?Darcy wrote "What is a solstice point in Uranian astrology?  Does it have to do with solar arcs" Hoo Boy.  Solstice Points are a wonderful way to add in a wealth of detail in your chart.  If you haven't added them into the mix I recommend that you do so immediately and start amazing yourself at the added information.  The technique on the dial is easy.  Just place your planets and points on the inner edge of your dial that you turn around, so that you have your stuff on the flat page and on the dial.  Then place the pointer of the dial on a planet (this represents the Aries Point, right?) on the paper and then find the planet on the dial and mark the spot on the paper with a different colored ink than the original markings.  I usually use blue for natals, red for solstice and green for transits (actually I use a piece of transparent film placed over the paper for the transits and mark them on that with a dry erase marker and put the dial on top of both). When you are working with the solar arc it's then easy to see if your natals hit anything on the paper as they are marked on your dial. I also have included the major midpoints onto the dial, not too many as there wouldn't be any room left for the numbers. Think of a solstice point as the echo vibration of the planet.  I think it has to be involved with complex mathematics and how all this vibrational stuff affects us.  Not really sure but Roger Jacobson's book goes into the technique in detail.  Also solstice points have been used for centuries. 

Planetary Shadows and Barack Obama

At the recent FAA Conference in Jan 2010 in Brisbane Australia I gave a lecture on financial astrology, and was asked by a number of people to talk more about the concept of planetary shadows (antiscia). Detailed instructions on how to use antiscia are provided in Lesson 12 of the HORARY ASTROLOGY Diploma which I conduct by distance education. Click here to purchase the module on antiscia.Antiscias only take a moment to seeIf you are an experienced astrologer it takes but a moment to glance around the horoscope to see whether the antiscia of any of the planets falls upon another planet or important point in the horoscope. However without taking a moment to do this brief mathematical excursion vital clues may be missed.Gaining or losing moneyIn questions about making money, for example, if the shadow of the planet representing the question falls on a malefic, which is a debilitated planet, then the proposed action or enterprise is unlikely to succeed. It is better that the client refrains from taking the proposed action even though it is something the client really wants to do.For example supposed you asked: “If I invest in BHP shares, will I be rewarded financially?” If the significator representing your second house (the second house represents your money) falls on a malefic, such a retrograde Mars in Libra in the eighth house, then the answer would be an emphatic NO, unless contradicted by other testimonies. If you missed this planetary shadow you may have lost some serious money!So what are antiscia?The concept that antiscia, which offer an alternative to a planet’s position by placing it on a point on the other side of the Cancer-Capricorn axis, seems strange to many people. How can this tiny insignificant point pack such a powerful punch? Is this some new age concept invented to keep astrologers amused in between client readings?No, actually antiscia have been used for many centuries and have simply fallen into disuse in modern times. The weird thing is that antiscia actually work and that only a fool would overlook them, especially if money is being wagered on the stock market.To understand how these little guys work we need to go to the meaning of the word ‘antiscia’.My Webster’s New Twentieth Century Dictionary (1976) defines “antiscians, antiscia” as coming from the Greek meaning shadows. ‘Anti’ means opposite and ‘skios’ means shadow. In geography it means the inhabitants of the earth living on the same meridian but on opposite sides of the equator, whose shadows at noon are cast in opposite directions.In astrology we take the word to mean the point in the chart which is the same distance from the Cancer-Capricorn axis as the planet being considered, but on the opposite side. Cancer and Capricorn represent the solstice points. This antiscia point is interpreted as being a shadow reflection of the planet.When one planet is on other’s antiscia it represents a reflected shadow of the other planet, something which is hidden or not obvious, and may represent either a bonus or a problem. When one planet is on the antiscia of another planet, each is a shadow of the other planet. In the rest of this article I shall use plain English and refer to antiscia

as ‘planetary shadows’.Obama’s January 2010 eclipse

To demonstrate the principle I will examine the horoscope of a famous person with an accurate birth time. Barack Obama will do just nicely.On the 15th January 2010 there was a solar eclipse on the ruler of Obama’s ascendant and within days he was finally speaking out against China’s cyber tactics and expressing regret at the surprise loss to a little-known Republican who beat the Democrat in a ‘safe’ seat left open by Ted Kennedy’s death in 2009. Eclipses often contain a surprise, and it is not always pleasant.In case you are new to astrology, the ascendant ruler is often considered to be the most important planet in the horoscope, and represents the strength of the individual.Obama’s rising sign is Aquarius and the ruler of Aquarius is Saturn.Get a grounding in the basics before using astrology to trade the marketsSaturn is placed in the other sign that it rules: Capricorn. If you are attempting to use astrology to trade or invest in the markets and don’t know what signs planets rule and which signs strengthen or weaken the planets then you might like to consider doing my predictive astrology course, which provides a solid grounding in the basics of astrology. Planetary strength is covered by the concept of ‘dignity’, which is so often overlooked in the modern textbooks on astrology.Obama’s ascendant ruler in the 12th houseSaturn in Obama’s horoscope is located in the twelfth house. The twelfth house is the place of hidden things, hidden motives and self-undoing. This is not a good placement for any planet. Having one’s Ascendant ruler in the twelfth house is like being locked away with no ability for self-expression.Not only is Saturn in the twelfth house but it is retrograde. Retrogradation (when a planet appears to move backwards through the zodiac from the earth’s perspective) is understood in astrology to be similar to a person walking backwards, not being able to see where they are going. By the way Saturn applies by square to warlike Mars which stands at the cusp of the eighth house, and rules his tenth house of destiny. There is so much in this horoscope which contains significant pointers to the future.So how do antiscia work?So how is it that Obama is able to express himself so eloquently if his Ascendant ruler is locked away in the twelfth house? The answer is revealed when one looks at Saturn’s shadow. Planetary shadows are formed across the Cancer-Capricorn axis

(Cancer and Capricorn are the 2 solstice points). Saturn is 25° 19’ from the solstice point of 0° Capricorn. 25° 19 minutes on the opposite side of this solstice point is 4°41’ of Sagittarius. This point is the exact shadow of Saturn.How did I get this figure? There are 30° in a sign. 30° minus 25° 19’ = 4° 41′. Remember that each degree has 60 minutes, not 100. Degrees and minutes are not based on the decimal system but on the old imperial measurement system.Now when we are using planetary shadows we allow a 2° orb for conjunctions and oppositions (no other aspects are used). Opposite 4°41’ of Sagittarius is the Moon at 3°21’ Gemini. The orb of 1°20’ is within the allowable range.

Obama’s Moon says it allObama is able to find expression through his Moon. Saturn’s shadow falling on his Moon works very well for Obama. The Moon is in the dignity, triplicity and the terms of Mercury, all of which are strong indicators of his persuasive talents. Note that his Moon separates from a close sextile to Mercury and applies by square to Pluto. Obama is able to reach the masses. The Moon is also in a double-bodied sign, indicating his capacity to entertain different opinions on the same subject, depending on his target audience.

Dignities, receptions, and triplicity rulers are so important in making accurate astrological judgementsThe use of planetary shadows in astrology is very important. Modern astrologers who are unfamiliar with their use would gain so much by including them in their natal readings. The use of planetary shadows in horary charts, which are sometimes used by financial astrologers as a guide to successful trading, and their application in natal and mundane astrology (mundane astrology relates to current affairs and political events) are very important and should not be overlooked.To use planetary shadows correctly it is essential to be familiar with other basic astrological concepts which are offered in my predictive astrology course (horary astrology), such as house rulerships (which includes commodity rulers), triplicity rulers, receptions and the correct way to use aspectsPersonal and Universal Love: The Libra/Pisces InconjunctPosted on October 6, 2014 by Nadia Gilchrist.entry-meta

Painting by John WaterhouseOctober 7th features an inconjunct between the Sun in Libra and Chiron Rx (Wounded Healer) at 14 degrees Pisces. This is a brief influence, and I’m not sure that it will be noticeable during the upcoming eclipse. You may only feel it if you have planets/angles or Nodes from 13 to 14 degrees Libra or Pisces.However, it’s worth mentioning because Libra is strongly featured during the eclipse.The inconjunct demands an adjustment between two, unrelated energies. Pisces is about transcendence; the meaning that lies beyond your relationships. Libra is relationships. The danger of the inconjunct is

attempting to personalize Pisces’ greater meaning by projecting it through the Libra lens, onto a partner. You get the “dream lover” who is, of course, false. Mix in Chiron and the Sun, and you have the ego (Sun) that’s wounded (Chiron). Each time you try to find your purpose (Sun) through another person (Libra) it ends up hurting (Chiron).This aspect seems to be about the pain of relationships. The search for healing through someone, or avoiding someone by healing everyone else. Sometimes you need to transcend the ego, but with this inconjunct, it’s easy to mistake weakness for transcendence.The inconjunct asks that you adjust your ideals, and your relationships. Don’t turn your lover/object of your affection into your saviour. Or your victim. Or the embodiment of your fantasies. Chiron in Pisces wants you to find a higher purpose and healing through yourself, not another person. Chiron in Pisces is capable of loving and healing everyone (once you’ve located the source within yourself) because it has no limits. Libra asks that you still connect with the other person, and not escape the dance of partnerships by losing yourself in the Big Hurt (pain without limits). Yes, collapsing yourself into pain that’s everywhere can be a form of escape. Neglecting your partner in favour of healing the masses, or at least being preoccupied with everyone else’s wounds. Libra loves selectively, and one on one interaction is part of being human.There’s two types of love here: personal and universal. During the inconjunct, some people may have to come to terms with both