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    Thequestionofwhypeopleandanimalsneedsleephasbotheredscientistsfordecades.Andnow,researchersthinkthatthey'vefoundatleastpartoftheanswer.NPR'sJonHamiltonreportsonastudythatshowsthatduringsleep,thebrainflushesouttoxins,includingasubstancelinkedtoAlzheimer'sdisease.

    JONHAMIILTON,BYLINE:Fromanevolutionarypointofview,sleepseemslikeabadidea.Afterall,whenyou'resnoozing,it'seasyforanothercreaturetoremoveyoufromthegenepool.That'sespeciallytrueifyou'reasmallrodent,saystheUniversityofRochester'sMaikenNedergaard.

    DR.MAIKENNEDERGAARD:Foraanimallikeamouseorrat,it'sverydangeroustosleepbecauseit'smuchmorevulnerableforcatsthatwouldcomeandeatit.

    JONHAMILTON,BYLINE:Sosleepmusthavesomereallyimportantsurvivalfunction.Tofindoutwhatthatmightbe,Nedergaardledateamthatstudiedthebrainsofsleepingmice.Andthescientistsnoticedthatduringsleep,somethingoddwashappeningtothesystemthatcirculatescerebrospinalfluidthroughthebrainandnervoussystem.

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    NEDERGAARD:Itwaspumpingfluidintothebrainandremovingfluidfromthebraininaveryrapidpace.

    HAMILTON:Nedergaardsaystheteamrealizedthiswaspossibleinpartbecausewhenmicewenttosleep,theirbraincellsactuallyshrank,soitwaseasierforfluidtocirculate.Whenananimalwokeup,shesays,thebraincellsenlargedagainandtheflowbetweencellsslowedtoatrickle.

    NEDERGAARD:It'salmostlikeopeningandclosingafaucet.It'sthatdramatic.

    HAMILTON:Nedergaardandherteamhadpreviouslyshownthatthefluidwascarryingawaywasteproductsthatbuildupinthespacesbetweencells.

    NEDERGAARD:It'slikeadishwasher.It'sfloatingbyallthecells,whicharethedishes,andwashingthem.

    HAMILTON:That'simportantbecausewhat'sgettingwashedawayduringsleeparewasteproteinsthataretoxictobraincells.Nedergaardsaysthisprocesscouldexplainwhywedon'tthinkclearlyafterasleeplessnightandwhyaprolongedlackofsleepcanactuallykillananimaloraperson.Butwhydoesn'tthebraindothissortofhousekeepingallthetime?Nedergaardthinksit'sbecausecleaningtakesalotofenergy.

    NEDERGAARD:It'sprobablynotpossibleforthebraintobothcleanitselfandatthesametimebeingawareofthesurroundingsandtalkandmoveandsoon.

    HAMILTON:Andthatwouldexplainwhyanimalshaveevolvedtoneedsleep.Nedergaardsaysthecleaningprocesshasbeenobservedinratsandbaboonsbutnotyetinhumans.Evenso,itcouldofferanewwayofunderstandinghumanbraindiseases,includingAlzheimer's.That'sbecauseoneofthewasteproductsremovedfromthebrainduringsleepisbetaamyloid,thesubstancethatformsstickyplaquesassociatedwithAlzheimer's.Nedergaardsaysthat'sprobablynotacoincidence.

    NEDERGAARD:Isn'titinterestingthatAlzheimerandallotherdiseasesassociated

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    withdementia,theyarelinkedtosleepdisorders.Sothepatientwouldsleeplessandlessandtheywouldnothavedeepsleep.

    HAMILTON:ResearcherswhostudyAlzheimer'ssayNedergaard'sresearchcouldhelpexplainanumberofrecentfindingsrelatedtosleep.RandallBatemanofWashingtonUniversityinSt.LouiswaspartofateamthatstudiedhowsleepaffectslevelsofthatAlzheimer'sprotein,betaamyloid.

    DR.RANDALLBATEMAN:Betaamyloidconcentrationscontinuetoincreasewhileapersonisawake.Andthenafterpeoplegotosleep,thatconcentrationofbetaamyloiddecreases.Thisreportprovidesabeautifulmechanismbywhichthismaybehappening.

    HAMILTON:BatemansaysthereportalsooffersatantalizinghintofanewapproachtoAlzheimer'sprevention.

    BATEMAN:ItdoesraisethepossibilitythatonemightbeabletoactuallycontrolsleepinawaytoimprovetheclearanceofbetaamyloidandhelppreventamyloidosisthatwethinkcanleadtoAlzheimer'sdisease.

    HAMILTON:ThenewresearchappearsinthejournalScience.JonHamilton,NPRNews.

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