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Munoz vs. Davis December 29, 2014

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I N THE CI RCUI T COURT OF THE 11TH J UDI CI AL CI RCUI T I N AND FOR MI AMI - DADE COUNTY, FLORI DA

GENERAL J URI SDI CTI ON DI VI SI ON

CASE NO. : 11- 037237 CA 23

REYNALDO MUNOZ, SR. , as survi vi ng f at herand as Per sonal Repr esent at i ve of t he Est at eof REYNALDO MUNOZ, J R. , and CARI DAD LOPEZ,as survi vi ng mot her ,

Pl ai nt i f f s,vs.

J EFFREY DAVI S, i ndi vi dual l y and as parent

of mi nor chi l d, J ACK DAVI S, and YASMI NEDAVI S, i ndi vi dual l y and as par ent of mi norchi l d, J ACK DAVI S,

Def endant s.____________________________________________/

73 West Fl agl er St r eet , Mi ami , Fl or i da, Monday, 1: 30 p. m. , December 29, 2014.

The hear i ng i n t he above- ent i t l ed cause r esume

bef or e The Honor abl e St anf or d Bl ake, Ci r cui t Cour t

J udge, af t er t he l uncheon r ecess.

APPEARANCES:

ROBERTS & DURKEE, P. A. , by DAVI D DURKEE, Esqui r e, and

ALVAREZ RODRI GUEZ, by J UAN L. ALVAREZ, Esqui r e, and J OEL S. PERWI N, P. A. , by J OEL S. PERWI N, Esqui r e, At t or neys f or Pl ai nt i f f s .


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1 APPEARANCES CONTI NUED:

2 LAW OFFI CES OF KUBI CKI , DRAPER, by PETER H. MURPHY, Esqui r e, and

3 WI LLI AM BI SSETT, Esqui r e, At t or neys f or Def endant s.

4 THE MCGRANE LAW FI RM, by

5 MI LES A. MCGRANE, Esqui r e, At t or ney f or J ack Davi s.

6ALSO PRESENT: Yasmi ne Davi s

7 J ef f r ey Davi s, Esq. J ack Davi s.

8

I NDEX9

10 WI TNESS CROSS REDI RECT RECROSS

11 Det ect i ve Nye- Gonzal ez

12 ( By Mr . Murphy) 216( By Mr . Dur kee) 172 ( Cont i nued) 221

13

14 WI TNESS DI RECT CROSS REDI RECT

15 Dr . J ul i an Munoz- Di az16 ( By Mr . Dur kee) 228

( By Mr . Murphy) 23717

18 WI TNESS DI RECT CROSS REDI RECT

19 Dr . Ronal d Wr i ght

20 ( By Mr . Durkee) 242 276( By Mr . Murphy) 255

21

WI TNESS DI RECT CROSS REDI RECT22

Wayne Wi l l i ams23

( By Mr . Durkee) 284 29524 ( By Mr . Murphy) 293

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1 THE COURT: Thank you ever yone.

2 MR. DURKEE: May I proceed, Your Honor ?

3 THE COURT: Yes.

4 Ther eupon:

5 DETECTI VE NYE- GONZALEZ

6 r esumed.

7 CROSS EXAMI NATI ON CONTI NUED

8 BY MR. DURKEE:

9 Q. Good af t er noon, Det ect i ve.

10 A. Good af t ernoon.

11 Q. Fi r st of al l , t o go back j ust f or a

12 moment , I j ust want t o make sur e we ar e cl ear

13 because we ki nd of got caught up wi t h what t he exact

14 l anguage was, but at t he t i me t hat you, quot e,

15 "suspect ed t hat no cr i me has been commi t t ed" maybe

16 i n t he f i r st hour or t wo of your i nvest i gat i on, t he

17 onl y evi dence you had was J asmi ne' s st at ement ,

18 correct?

19 A. No.

20 Q. What el se di d you have?

21 A. Wel l , I t al ked t o t he of f i cer s. I had

22 been t hr ough t he back of t he resi dence, sever al

23 t hi ngs had t r anspi r ed.

24 Q. But what speci f i cal l y wer e you r el yi ng on

25 t o f or m a concl usi on wi t hi n t he f i r st hour or t wo


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1 t hat , quot e, "you suspect ed t hat no cr i me had been

2 commi t t ed, " ot her t han t he st at ement t hat we tal ked

3 about because I want t o l i st t hem speci f i cal l y, not

4 j ust wal ki ng ar ound t he pr emi ses?

5 When you wal ked ar ound t he pr emi ses, what

6 evi dence di d you per cei ve or see t hat l ed you t o

7 t hi s concl usi on t hat you suspect ed t hat no cr i me had

8 been commi t t ed?

9 A. Wel l , I was t her e t o conduct a deat h

10 i nvest i gat i on and t hat ' s what I was doi ng. I spoke

11 wi t h t he of f i cer who had al r eady spoken t o Ms.

12 Davi s, t ook t hat i nt o consi der at i on. What I had

13 was, at t hat poi nt what I t hought was an armed

14 bur gl ar y and a f ami l y def endi ng themsel ves.

15 Q. Ri ght . So t he onl y t hi ng you had at t hat

16 poi nt was J asmi ne' s st at ement , cor r ect ?

17 A. Wel l , l i ke I sai d, I wal ked t hr ough. I

18 had been t o t he back. I was absor bi ng al l of t he

19 i nf or mat i on t hat I was t ol d at t hat t i me. So I

20 don' t know i f I can l i st t hi ng by t hi ng. I ' m

21 absor bi ng i nf or mat i on. I am l ooki ng ar ound. I am

22 hear i ng. I am t al ki ng.

23 Q. Wel l , ot her t han absor bi ng t hi ngs by

24 osmosi s, but i f you woul d f or t he Cour t , pl ease l i st

25 any - - and you can l i st anyt hi ng. I don' t car e i f


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1 you l i st t hem al l or one or t wo, but I know we

2 t al ked about J asmi ne' s st at ement , what el se wer e you

3 r el yi ng on? Can you t el l t hi s Cour t anyt hi ng el se

4 speci f i cal l y t hat you wer e r el yi ng on t o come up

5 wi t h t he concl usi on t hat , quot e, unquot e, "You

6 suspect ed t hat no cr i me had been commi t t ed"?

7 A. Then I guess we are goi ng t o have t o go

8 t hr ough my repor t and I can t el l you t he t hi ngs I

9 di d and t he st eps t hat I t ook. I ' m not sur e t her e

10 i s anot her way.

11 Q. Okay.

12 A. Okay? So i ni t i al l y I get a phone cal l , or

13 I am t ol d by anot her det ect i ve who r ecei ved a phone

14 cal l what we wer e r espondi ng t o. So I absor bed

15 t hat . I don' t t hi nk i t was by osmosi s, but I

16 absor bed t hat .

17 Q. What about t hat f i r st conver sat i on or

18 f i r st i nf or mat i on t hat you der i ved f r om t hat t hat

19 you r el i ed on t o come up wi t h a concl usi on t hat ,

20 quot e, unquot e, "You suspect ed t hat no cr i me had

21 been commi t t ed"?

22 A. Wel l , I was t ol d t hat a mal e was st eal i ng

23 a wave runner f r om t he resi dence and was shot by t he

24 homeowner . Lat er - -

25 Q. So t hat st at ement t her e t hat i s somet hi ng


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1 you r el i ed on?

2 A. Wel l , of cour se, Mr . Dur kee.

3 Q. Okay. That ' s one st at ement .

4 A. Ever yt hi ng t hat I di d, al l t he t hi ngs t hat

5 I hear d, ever yone t hat I t al ked t o, anyt hi ng t hat I

6 saw, I r el i ed upon.

7 Q. Of cour se.

8 A. And I st i l l r el y upon t oday.

9 Q. Of cour se. And t hat ' s what I ' m t r yi ng t o

10 f i gur e out . You sai d wi t hi n t he f i r st - -

11 A. No, I di dn' t say wi t hi n t he f i r st

12 anyt hi ng. You ar e t he one t hat sai d wi t hi n t he

13 f i r st . Now you gi ve a t i me sl ot . When I ar r i ved, I

14 was conduct i ng a deat h i nvest i gat i on. That ' s what I

15 was doi ng.

16 Q. Ma' am, I am not t r yi ng t o bi cker wi t h you.

17 What I am t r yi ng t o say i s you t ol d me - - I t hi nk

18 t hat i s how i t pl ayed out . I sai d t hat when he l ef t

19 t he pr emi ses, J ack l ef t t he pr emi ses wi t h hi s

20 f at her , whi ch I t hi nk we' ve est abl i shed was wi t hi n

21 t he f i r st hour or so of t he i nvest i gat i on, you t ol d

22 t hi s Cour t t hat at t hat t i me when he l ef t t he

23 pr emi ses, you di dn' t t hi nk i t was t hat bi g of a deal

24 because he was a wi t ness at t hat poi nt , he wasn' t a

25 suspect .


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1 A. Wel l , l et ' s st op r i ght t her e because I

2 di dn' t know t hat he l ef t unt i l af t er he l ef t and

3 came back. So I di dn' t know t hat . So I di dn' t make

4 any det er mi nat i ons at t hat t i me.

5 Q. I ' m not t r yi ng t o put wor ds i n your mout h.

6 We can go back t o t he t r anscr i pt because I marked

7 i t . You were t he one who vol unt eered t o me. I

8 di dn' t cr eat e t hi s . I di dn' t tal k about thi s . I

9 sai d, "When he l ef t t he scene, he was a wi t ness t o a

10 cr i me, " and you sai d t o us, "No, I don' t t hi nk he

11 was a wi t ness or a suspect or anyt hi ng el se because

12 at t hat t i me I di dn' t suspect t hat any cr i me had

13 been commi t t ed. "

14 That i s what you sai d. So what I am

15 t r yi ng t o f i nd out i s when he l ef t t he cr i me scene

16 wi t h hi s f at her , unaccompani ed by any pol i ce

17 of f i cer s, and you had f or med t hat bel i ef i n your

18 head, not me, t hat you had suspect ed t hat no cr i me

19 had been commi t t ed, what I am t r yi ng t o f i gur e out

20 i s what ar e t he pi eces of evi dence t hat you wer e

21 r el yi ng on t o f or m t hat concl usi on so ear l y i n t he

22 case?

23 I mean, you under st and how an

24 i nvest i gat i on goes. You go out and you gat her

25 evi dence. You gat her al l of t he evi dence and t hen


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1 f or m concl usi ons. You have done t hat i n f r ont of

2 t he Cour t and you have done t hat t oday.

3 You were t he one t hat t ol d us t hat when he

4 l ef t t he pr emi ses, t hat he was a wi t ness or a

5 suspect because you had sai d, quot e, unquot e, "You

6 suspect ed t hat no cr i me had been commi t t ed. "

7 So now I ' m t r yi ng t o f i nd out , at t hat

8 t i me you made t hat concl usi on, what evi dence - - and

9 you under st and evi dence, r i ght ?

10 A. Excuse me?

11 Q. Do you under st and evi dence?

12 A. Do I underst and evi dence?

13 Q. Do you under st and t hat you' r e supposed t o

14 gat her evi dence dur i ng an i nvest i gat i on?

15 A. I bel i eve I do, Mr . Dur kee.

16 Q. So I t hi nk i t ' s a si mpl e quest i on. When

17 you made t hat concl usi on t hat you had suspect ed t hat

18 no cr i me had been commi t t ed, what evi dence wer e you

19 r el yi ng on t o make t hat concl usi on?

20 A. What I was r el yi ng on was t he i nf or mat i on

21 I had r ecei ved f r om t he ot her of f i cer s, f r om t he

22 ot her - - al l t he ot her of f i cer s on t he scene, f r om

23 t he st at ement t hat was gi ven t o t he ot her of f i cer

24 whi ch was t hen t r ansl at ed t o me, what I saw when I

25 wal ked ar ound t he pr emi ses. That ' s what I was


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1 r el yi ng on.

2 Q. Let ' s t ake each one of t hose t hi ngs. The

3 st at ement s t hat had been pr ovi ded t o you up unt i l

4 t hat poi nt by t he ot her of f i cer s r eal l y was t hat

5 J asmi ne had gi ven a st at ement and t hat was

6 communi cat ed t o you, cor r ect ?

7 A. That ' s one of t he t hi ngs, Yes.

8 Q. You had not r evi ewed t he 911 t ape at t hat

9 poi nt , cor r ect ?

10 A. I don' t know what poi nt I r evi ewed i t . I

11 can l ook at my not es and see, but I di d r evi ew t he

12 911 t ape.

13 Q. Ri ght , t hat was l at er on.

14 A. Do you want me t o l ook at t hat ?

15 Q. That was l at er on. That was at 5: 55 p. m.

16 I t ' s on Page 6.

17 But somet i me bef or e t hat i s when t he f ol ks

18 came back and you conf r ont ed Mr . Davi s about t he

19 f act t hat you guys had suspect ed t hat hi s son was

20 t he shoot er . That ' s on Page 4.

21 A. Okay.

22 Q. So i f you l ook at i t chr onol ogi cal l y, you

23 di dn' t r evi ew t he 911 t ape at t hat poi nt . What I am

24 sayi ng i s, ot her t han t al ki ng t o Of f i cer - - because

25 you di d wr i t e t hi s chr onol ogi cal l y. I mean, i t


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1 seems l i ke chr onol ogi cal l y by t he t i me you

2 conf r ont ed J ef f r ey Davi s and hi s son, t hat you

3 suspect ed t hat hi s son had been t he shoot er . The

4 onl y t hi ng t hat you r eal l y had done i s t al k t o

5 Of f i cer Zabi el i nsky and t aken t he cal l back at t he

6 of f i ce t hat t here was a r obbery and somebody got

7 shot ?

8 A. Wel l , Mr . Dur kee, i f you want t o r ead on

9 Page 4, i t says Ser geant Mal ot t i s t he one t hat

10 advi sed Mr . Davi s t hat t her e was a suspi ci on t hat

11 J ack was t he one who shot t he f i r ear m. I di dn' t

12 advi se hi m.

13 Q. Yes, but he had al r eady gone of f t he

14 pr emi ses at t hat poi nt , cor r ect ?

15 A. I bel i eve so.

16 Q. Ri ght .

17 A. I t was acci dent al l y omi t t ed f r om my

18 r epor t . I don' t see i t her e. So I don' t know t he

19 t i me and Sergeant Mal ot t woul d have t o answer t o t he

20 t i mes.

21 Q. Ri ght , because i t ' s not ment i oned anywher e

22 i n your i nvest i gat i ve r epor t t hat you al l owed t he

23 shoot er t o go of f t he pr emi ses wi t h hi s f at her , a

24 l awyer , and get consul t ed and came back t o t he

25 pr emi ses. That ' s nowher e i n your r epor t , r i ght ?


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1 A. I t i s not i n my r epor t , but J ack and hi s

2 f at her l ef t t he scene. I t ' s not i n my r epor t . That

3 i s cor r ect . I t was acci dent al l y omi t t ed. I di dn' t

4 al l ow anyone t o do t hat .

5 Q. So I am cor r ect t o say at t hat poi nt t her e

6 was no physi cal evi dence t hat you gat hered t hat you

7 r el i ed on, cor r ect ?

8 A. Mr . Dur kee, I ' m havi ng a di f f i cul t t i me

9 under st andi ng what i t i s t hat you' r e t r yi ng t o get

10 f r om me. I t ol d you t hat I was di spat ched t her e. I

11 went t her e. I am conduct i ng a deat h i nvest i gat i on.

12 I di dn' t - - I di dn' t al l ow J ack t o l eave. I can' t

13 answer t o t hat .

14 Q. Ri ght , but you wer e t he l ead i nvest i gat or ,

15 correct?

16 A. Under my super vi sor , Ser geant Mal ot t , t hat

17 i s cor r ect .

18 Q. And ver y ear l y i n t he case, ver y ear l y i n

19 t he case you as t he l ead i nvest i gat or had come t o

20 t he concl usi on t hat you t ol d us her e i n Cour t t hat

21 you, quot e, unquot e, "suspect ed t hat no cr i me had

22 been commi t t ed"?

23 A. That ' s cor r ect .

24 Q. What I am t r yi ng t o f i nd out , and I t hi nk

25 i t ' s a l egi t i mat e i nqui r y, i s ot her t han t he


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1 st at ement by J asmi ne Davi s t o Of f i cer Zabi el i nsky,

2 what ot her obj ect i ve evi dence wer e you r el yi ng on t o

3 make t hat concl usi on? Ot her t han wal ki ng around t he

4 scene and seei ng a body t hat ' s on t he gr ound, ot her

5 t han wal ki ng around t he scene and seei ng a wave

6 r unner , ot her t han wal ki ng ar ound t he scene and

7 seei ng a shot gun on t he t abl e, ot her t han wal ki ng

8 ar ound t he scene seei ng J asmi ne si t t i ng out i n t he

9 backyar d, ot her t han wal ki ng t he scene and seei ng

10 pol i ce t ape, ot her t han wal ki ng ar ound and seei ng

11 ot her pol i ce of f i cer s wal ki ng ar ound, i n your mi nd

12 what were t he i t ems of evi dence t hat you were

13 r el yi ng on t o come up wi t h t he concl usi on t hat you

14 suspect ed t hat no cr i me had been commi t t ed ear l y on

15 i n t hi s i nvesti gat i on?

16 A. As I ' ve t ol d you bef or e, al l of t he

17 i nf or mat i on t hat I had up unt i l t hat poi nt .

18 Q. Wher e shoul d I cut t hat cut of f on your

19 r epor t ? When you say, "up t o t hat poi nt , " wher e do

20 I f i nd t hat ?

21 A. I don' t know. You' r e t he one who i s

22 det er mi ni ng t her e i s a poi nt . I ' m not sur e. You' r e

23 det er mi ni ng t her e i s a poi nt . You sai d t her e was an

24 hour or t wo hour s. I ' m not r eal l y sur e. I ' m not

25 r eal l y sur e what you' r e - - t hat t her e was a t i me


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1 mar ker . I r esponded t o t hi s scene t o conduct a

2 deat h i nvest i gat i on and t hat ' s what I di d.

3 Q. You ar e supposed t o f ol l ow t he evi dence,

4 r i ght ?

5 A. I conduct ed a deat h i nvest i gat i on.

6 Q. Wai t a mi nut e. I ' m aski ng you a quest i on.

7 A. Of cour se we f ol l ow t he evi dence.

8 Q. Now, you t ol d me t hat J ef f r ey Davi s and

9 hi s son had gone of f t he pr emi ses and t hen when t hey

10 came back, t hat ' s when you or , bet t er , Ser geant

11 Mal ot t had conf r ont ed J ef f r ey and J ack wi t h t he

12 i nf or mat i on t hat you suspect ed J ack was t he shoot er ,

13 cor r ect ? We' ve est abl i shed t hat , r i ght ?

14 A. That we suspect ed, yes, t hat i s cor r ect .

15 Q. So I t hi nk we now have a t i me st amp. We

16 know t hat when you conf r ont ed J ef f r ey and J ack wi t h

17 your suspi ci ons, t hey had al r eady been of f t he

18 pr emi ses, cor r ect ?

19 A. I bel i eve so, yes.

20 Q. And I t hi nk on your r epor t we have t hat at

21 about - - somet i me bet ween 4: 45 and 4: 50 when t he

22 medi a r el at i ons peopl e showed up, r i ght ? Accor di ng

23 t o your chr onol ogy i n your r epor t , cor r ect ?

24 A. That i s cor r ect .

25 Q. So you ar r i ved on t he scene at 4: 00,


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1 correct?


3 Q. And af t er you ar r i ve on t he scene - - f i r st

4 of al l , you had got t en a cal l t o advi se you what was

5 goi ng on and t o go t o t he scene. That was somet hi ng

6 t hat happened wi t h you. And t hen you t al ked t o

7 Of f i cer Zabi el i nsky and he t ol d you what J asmi ne had

8 t ol d hi m. Ther e was f i r e r escue on t he scene. You

9 not ed t hat . You had gone and conduct ed a

10 wal k- t hr ough of t he r ear of t he r esi dence. You

11 i nt r oduce your sel f t o J asmi ne.

12 And t hen event ual l y, af t er 4: 45 but bef or e

13 4: 50, you guys conf r ont ed Mr . Davi s and J ack t hat

14 you f el t t hat he had been t he shoot er . I s t hat

15 r i ght ?

16 A. That ' s r i ght .

17 Q. So t hat was t he ext ent of your

18 i nvest i gat i on up t o t hat poi nt , r i ght ?

19 A. Up t o t hat poi nt , yes.

20 Q. Now, once Mr . Davi s was conf r ont ed wi t h

21 t hi s i nf or mat i on, he t ol d you t hat f r om t hat poi nt

22 f or war d, hi s cr i mi nal l awyer , Ms. Rat zan, woul d

23 speak f or t he f ami l y, cor r ect ?

24 A. He di dn' t t el l me. He t ol d Ser geant

25 Mal ot t t hat Ms. Rat zan wi l l be r epr esent i ng and


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1 speaki ng on t hei r behal f .

2 Q. I n your ver nacul ar , t hat ' s basi cal l y

3 cal l ed l awyer i ng i t up, r i ght ?

4 A. I guess you coul d say t hat .

5 Q. Have you hear d t hat t er m bef or e?

6 A. I have.

7 Q. And t hat ' s when a cr i mi nal def endant says,

8 "I ' m not t al ki ng t o you any f ur t her . I want t o t al k

9 t o my l awyer , " r i ght ? That ' s what i t means by

10 l awyer i ng i t up, r i ght ?

11 A. I guess you coul d gi ve i t t hat connot at i on

12 or you coul d j ust say, " I have a l awyer who i s goi ng

13 t o be r epr esent i ng me. " Peopl e get l awyer s al l t he

14 t i me.

15 Q. Af t er Mr . Davi s, who i s a l awyer , t ol d you

16 t hat , you knew you coul d not i nt er vi ew J asmi ne or

17 J ack unt i l t he l awyer got t here and you had t o t al k

18 t hr ough t he l awyer . I s t hat r i ght ?

19 A. That i s cor r ect . She was goi ng t o be

20 maki ng a st at ement .

21 Q. Now, at t hat poi nt you had Ms. Davi s' s

22 st at ement t hat she f i r ed a weapon, and you had

23 r easonabl e suspi ci on t o bel i eve based on t he wound

24 t o J ack' s f ace, and maybe some ot her col l at er al

25 evi dence, t hat J ack was i n f act t he shoot er . So you


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1 had t wo possi bl e scenar i os. You had t he f act t hat

2 J asmi ne may have shot , Mr s. Davi s, or you had t hi s

3 mi nor chi l d, J ack, who coul d have f i r ed t he weapon.

4 You had t wo conf l i ct i ng ver si ons at t hat poi nt . You

5 suspect ed J ack, but you al so had t hi s ver bal

6 st at ement t hat J asmi ne had f i r ed t he weapon.

7 So at t hat poi nt t her e ar e t est s t o

8 det er mi ne def i ni t el y i f somebody shot a weapon. I s

9 that true?

10 A. Not def i ni t el y, but t her e ar e gunshot

11 r esi due t est s t hat can be admi ni st er ed, yes.

12 Q. And t hat ' s somet hi ng t hat ' s r egul ar cour se

13 of busi ness, i f you want t o det er mi ne - - t hat i s t he

14 t est t hat you t r y and admi ni st er t o t r y t o det er mi ne

15 who shot t he weapon, cor r ect ?

16 A. That i s one of t he t est s, yes.

17 Q. And you never di d t hat i n t hi s case,

18 r i ght ?

19 A. A gunshot r esi due t est was not conduct ed,

20 no.

21 Q. And as t he l ead det ect i ve, i f you want ed

22 t o f i ght f or a gun r esi due t est , you coul d have

23 f ought f or t hat , cor r ect ?

24 A. Wel l , I had an Assi st ant St at e At t or ney

25 t here and we di scussed i t and we deci ded t hat i t was


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1 not goi ng t o happen.

2 Q. Di d you f eel t hat was t he appr opr i at e

3 t hi ng t o do, not t o do a gunshot r esi due t est ? Was

4 t hat your deci si on or di d you j ust def er t o t he

5 St at e At t or ney?

6 A. I t hi nk i t was mor e of a gr oup deci si on

7 and t he Davi s f ami l y decl i ned and we accept ed t hat

8 we ar en' t goi ng t o do gunshot r esi due.

9 Q. I t wasn' t t hat you t ot al l y di d not

10 consi der i t , t he f ami l y actual l y r ef used t o do i t ?

11 A. They decl i ned, yes.

12 Q. Who decl i ned t hat on behal f of t he f ami l y,

13 wasn' t t hat J ef f Davi s?

14 A. I wi l l have t o l ook at my not es.

15 Q. Anyway, t hey r ef used, cor r ect ?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Now, al so you were operat i ng under t he

18 bel i ef based on t hi s st at ement t hat you had der i ved

19 f r om Of f i cer Zabi el i nsky t hat J asmi ne Davi s had

20 pr of f er ed t o hi m t hat t her e was a gun i nvol ved,

21 correct?

22 A. I ' m sor r y, you wi l l have t o say t hat

23 agai n.

24 Q. Based on t he st at ement t hat you had

25 gat her ed f r om Of f i cer Zabi el i nsky t hat came f r om


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1 J asmi ne Davi s, you bel i eved t hat t he person t hat was

2 t her e t r yi ng t o st eal t he wave runner possi bl y had a

3 gun. I s t hat t r ue?

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. And, i n f act , you r equest ed pol i ce di ver s

6 t o t he scene, I t hi nk i t was about 4: 55, about an

7 hour af t er you got t her e t o st ar t l ooki ng f or a gun,

8 correct?

9 A. That i s cor r ect . They wer e cal l ed.

10 Q. And t he r eason you' r e l ooki ng f or a gun

11 t hat Mr . Reynal do Munoz, J r . may or may not have had

12 i s t hat woul d have been a ver y i mpor t ant pi ece of

13 evi dence. I f t he f ami l y i s sayi ng I shot t hi s

14 f el l ow because he had a gun, you obvi ousl y want ed t o

15 t r y and f i nd t hat gun t o see whet her you coul d

16 suppor t t hei r st or y or not , cor r ect ?

17 A. Yes, we want ed t o f i nd i t i f we coul d f i nd

18 i t , yeah.

19 Q. You never f ound i t , di d you?

20 A. No, we di d not f i nd a gun.

21 Q. I n f act , when t he st at ement was pr of f er ed

22 t hr ough t he at t or ney, t her e was no pr of f er t hat t he

23 gun may be i nsi de of t he f r ont compar t ment . I s t hat

24 true?

25 A. I woul d have t o l ook back at t he


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1 st at ement . I ' m not sur e. I can l ook at i t , t hough.

2 No, t hat i s not i n t he i ni t i al st at ement

3 f r om At t or ney Rat zan.

4 Q. So at t hat poi nt , nobody r eal l y t ol d you

5 t o l ook i n t he f r ont compar t ment f or a gun, cor r ect ?

6 A. At t hat poi nt , no.

7 Q. At t hi s poi nt , based on your anal ysi s of

8 t he evi dence and wi t h your exper i ence, you woul d

9 agr ee wi t h me t hat mor e l i kel y t han not he never had

10 a gun and i t was r eal l y, i f anyt hi ng, t hi s r ecei ver

11 devi ce t hat she may have per cei ved t o be a gun. I s

12 t hat r i ght ?

13 A. I bel i eve t hat now, yes.

14 Q. Now t hat we ar e on t he pr of f er , t he

15 pr of f er t hat was made and t hat was supposedl y comi ng

16 f r om J asmi ne Davi s was t he f ol l owi ng, t hat she was

17 i nsi de of t he r esi dence wi t h her chi l dr en. She

18 obser ved a man near a st orage cl oset i n t he r ear of

19 her r esi dence. She approached t he man and began

20 yel l i ng as she cal l ed 911. I s t hat r i ght ?

21 A. That ' s cor r ect so f ar .

22 Q. At t hat t i me, she t ol d J ack, her son, t o

23 get t he gun whi ch i s kept under t he mast er bed,

24 r i ght ? So f ar so good?

25 A. So f ar so good. You' r e r eadi ng i t .


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1 Q. J asmi ne t hen t ol d t he man t hat she had a

2 gun and i n response t he man sai d he had a gun, t oo.

3 When J ack came out si de wi t h t he gun, he

4 shot t he man. J asmi ne admi t t ed t hat she or i gi nal l y

5 l i ed about i t and at t hi s t i me - - I ' m not r eadi ng i t

6 pr eci sel y, but event ual l y she al so t ol d you at t hi s

7 t i me t her e was possi bl y anot her - - a second man on a

8 wave r unner ci r cl i ng t he ar ea, cor r ect ?

9 A. You' r e r eadi ng i t . You' r e l eavi ng out

10 some par t s but , yeah, you' r e r eadi ng i t . That ' s

11 exact l y what i t says.

12 Q. I n t hat pr of f er she never t ol d t he pol i ce

13 t hat she t hought t he man was dr oppi ng of f a boat ,

14 correct?

15 A. You j ust r ead i t . Nope, i t doesn' t say

16 anyt hi ng about t hat .

17 Q. And you agr ee wi t h me t hat , i f anyt hi ng,

18 her f ear der i ved f r om t he f act t hat t he guy sai d he

19 had a gun, t oo, cor r ect ?

20 A. No, I woul dn' t agr ee wi t h you on t hat .

21 Q. I n t hat pr of f er does she ever say she saw

22 a gun?

23 A. I don' t bel i eve i t says t hat , no.

24 Q. And we t al ked about i t , she never st at ed

25 i n t hat pr of f er t hat t he per cei ved gun was i nsi de of


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1 t he f r ont compar t ment , cor r ect ? We al r eady t al ked

2 about t hat .

3 A. Agai n, Mr . Dur kee, you r ead i t and i t

4 di dn' t say anyt hi ng about t hat .

5 Q. Ma' am, I am not t r yi ng t o aggr avat e you.

6 You sound l i ke you' r e get t i ng aggr avat ed. I am j ust

7 t r yi ng t o do my j ob j ust l i ke you' r e t r yi ng t o do

8 your j ob, okay?

9 A. I ' m j ust r ef er r i ng back t o t he f act t hat

10 you r ead i t and - -

11 Q. You don' t need t o be smar t wi t h me. I am

12 j ust t r yi ng t o do my j ob, okay?

13 A. Okay. So am I .

14 Q. Exact l y.

15 At t hat t i me, At t or ney Rat zan al so advi sed

16 you t hat t he f ami l y was not goi ng t o cooper at e any

17 f ur t her because, A, t hey wer e t o di st r aught t o be

18 i nt er vi ewed and, B, t hey needed t o st udy f or f i nal s,

19 r i ght ?

20 A. She sai d t hat t he f ami l y i s t o di st r aught

21 t o be i nt er vi ewed at t hat t i me and t he chi l dr en wer e

22 pr epar i ng f or t hei r f i nal s, t hus we agr eed t o meet

23 at a l at er dat e.

24 Q. And, i n f act , t he f ami l y and At t or ney

25 Rat zan had agr eed t o meet wi t h you t he f ol l owi ng


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1 Monday, whi ch woul d have been t wo days af t er t he

2 shoot i ng, t o come down and gi ve t hei r st at ement s,

3 correct?

4 A. That was t he dat e on t he 23r d, yes.

5 Q. That was t he pl an, r i ght ?

6 A. Yes, t hat was t he pl an.

7 Q. But t hat pl an di dn' t get ef f ect uat ed

8 because t hey never showed up, r i ght ?

9 A. I t was cancel ed. I bel i eve t hey spoke

10 wi t h Ser geant Mal ot t and i t was cancel ed.

11 Q. I n f act , you never t ook Mr s. Davi s' s

12 st at ement unt i l mont hs l at er . I s t hat cor r ect ?


14 Q. And you di dn' t t ake J ack Davi s' s st at ement

15 unt i l November , whi ch was si x mont hs af t er t he

16 i nci dent , cor r ect ?


18 Q. And one of t he r easons you di dn' t - - I

19 t hi nk you sai d on di r ect , one of t he reasons you

20 di dn' t push t o have J ack gi ve a st at ement was

21 because t he ki ds had f i nal s and you had t o make

22 accommodat i ons, r i ght ?

23 A. I don' t r ecal l sayi ng t hat .

24 Q. Do you r emember back i n your deposi t i on

25 you sai d t he t wo ki ds had f i nal s and t he f ami l y was


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1 di st r aught or somet hi ng l i ke t hat ?

2 A. Okay, yes. That ' s what i t says her e.

3 That ' s why we di dn' t i nt er vi ew t hem t hat day.

4 Q. So you were del ayi ng your homi ci de

5 i nvest i gat i on t o t ake t he st at ement of t he per son

6 who f i r ed t he weapon because t hese ki ds had t o t ake

7 some t est s?

8 A. I wasn' t del ayi ng a deat h i nvest i gat i on.

9 I t di dn' t del ay t he i nvest i gat i on. I nvest i gat i ons

10 t ake a ver y l ong t i me. Thi s happens al l of t he

11 t i me. Thi ngs don' t happen day af t er day af t er day.

12 Somet i mes t her e i s a del ay. I t ' s a deat h

13 i nvest i gat i on.

14 Q. On a homi ci de i nvest i gat i on f or a per son

15 who l i ves her e i n Mi ami , i s not out of t own, who i s

16 avai l abl e 24/ 7, i t ' s t ypi cal t o wai t si x mont hs t o

17 go and t r y t o i nt er vi ew t he al l eged shoot er ?

18 A. I t ' s t ypi cal t hat somet i mes t hat happens

19 t hat we don' t i nt er vi ew t hem r i ght away, yes.

20 Q. What was t he compel l i ng necessi t y other

21 t han school t est s t o wai t si x mont hs bef or e you

22 t r i ed t o t ake hi s st at ement ?

23 A. That ' s when i t wor ked out , Mr . Dur kee. We

24 spoke. Ther e wer e ot her dat es. The f i r st dat e was

25 cancel ed. I ' m not sur e i f we t r i ed t o r eschedul e.


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1 I was speaki ng wi t h the at t or neys and t hose wer e t he

2 dat es we ended up wi t h. I had sever al ot her cases.

3 Ot her t hi ngs were happeni ng.

4 Q. Now, anot her t hi ng you coul d have done at

5 t he t i me of t he - - t he day of t he i nvest i gat i on, t he

6 day of t he shoot i ng, was t o t ake possessi on of t he

7 wave r unner whi ch was r eal l y par t of t hi s whol e

8 scenar i o, cor r ect ?

9 A. We coul d have done t hat , yes.

10 Q. You coul d have i mpounded i t , r i ght ?

11 A. We coul d have, yes.

12 Q. And you di dn' t do t hat ?

13 A. No, we deci ded not t o.

14 Q. And t hat ' s because you di dn' t f eel l i ke i t

15 had any evi dent i ar y val ue at t hat poi nt , cor r ect ? I

16 mean, evi dence i s kept i n a ver y st r i ct chai n of

17 cust ody, et cet er a, et cet er a. At t hat poi nt you

18 must have di scount ed t he wave r unner as havi ng any

19 evi dent i ar y val ue, cor r ect ?

20 A. No, we phot ogr aphed i t and pr ocessed i t t o

21 t he best of our abi l i t y and al l of t he per t i nent

22 t hi ngs t hat we t hought we needed f r om i t and we

23 deci ded not t o i mpound i t .

24 Q. Now, event ual l y sever al weeks l at er , t hey

25 f ound t hi s bl ack devi ce i nsi de t he gut s of t he wave


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1 r unner , r i ght ?


3 Q. And t hey f ound t hat t he f r ont compar t ment

4 door had been br oken down or r i pped of f . I t hi nk

5 t hat was t he phr ase t hey used, r i pped of f .

6 A. I ' m not sur e about t he phr ase. I t had

7 been t amper ed wi t h.

8 Q. And once t hat was brought t o your

9 at t ent i on by Mr . Davi s, you went t o hi s of f i ce and

10 secur ed t he bl ack devi ce f i r st , r i ght ?

11 A. I woul d have t o l ook at my chai n of

12 event s, but i f t hat ' s what you say, I went t her e

13 f i r st , okay. I know I r et r i eved t he box f r om hi m

14 and t hen subsequent l y I i nt er vi ewed t he gent l eman

15 who f ound i t at t he J et Ski shop.

16 Q. And t hen you went t o t he J et Ski shop and

17 you t ook a ser i es of phot ogr aphs wi t h t he f r ont

18 compar t ment open and you document ed t he f act t hat

19 t he back panel had been r i pped of f and you

20 document ed t hese devi ces wi t h t hei r f emal e and mal e

21 r ecept acl es of how i t wor ked. I s t hat r i ght ?

22 A. The cr i me scene det ect i ve i s t he one who

23 t akes pi ct ur es and wr i t es t he r epor t s on t hat , but I

24 was t her e and I observed i t .

25 Q. Ri ght , t hat was somet hi ng t hat was par t of


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1 your i nvest i gat i on as t he l ead det ect i ve?

2 A. Ri ght , I obser ved t hat .

3 Q. And t hat was t he f i r st t i me any of t hat

4 had been document ed as f ar as bl ack boxes, t he

5 r ecept or s i nsi de t he wave r unner , t he panel bei ng

6 br oken of f , and ever yt hi ng el se, cor r ect ?

7 A. I don' t t hi nk i t was obvi ous t hat t he

8 panel had been br oken when we f i r st t ook

9 phot ogr aphs, but at t hat poi nt , yes, i t was obvi ous,

10 you know, we saw t he bl ack box and t hat t he panel

11 had been t ampered wi t h.

12 Q. You t hought t hat was i mpor t ant t o document

13 t hat , r i ght , because t hat ' s why you went out t o t he

14 wave runner shop and phot ogr aphed i t wi t h cr i me

15 scene i nvest i gat or s, r i ght ?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Now, pr i or t o t he bl ack box bei ng f ound

18 and, you know, i t ' s chr onol ogi cal i n your r epor t ,

19 you conduct ed a canvas of t he ar ea, i s t hat r i ght ,

20 of t he home wher e t he shoot i ng occur r ed, r i ght ?

21 A. Can you t el l me whi ch page we ar e on?

22 Q. I t i s on Page 18.

23 A. So you' r e r ef er r i ng t o May 24t h?

24 Q. That i s cor r ect .

25 A. The area canvas, yes.


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1 Q. And t hen i f you l ook at t he second page on

2 t hat same day, at appr oxi mat el y 11: 00 a. m. , you made

3 cont act wi t h Mr . Davi s i n f r ont of hi s r esi dence,

4 correct?


6 Q. And he br ought you i nt o hi s backyard and

7 showed you t hat t here was a l anyar d at t ached t o hi s

8 wave r unner t hat was not hi s, r i ght ?


10 Q. That l anyar d had not been r et r i eved by you

11 or your i nvest i gat i ve t eam on t he day of t he

12 shoot i ng, cor r ect ?


14 Q. And t hat was a f or ei gn l anyar d and

15 Mr . Davi s act ual l y t ook you ar ound t he back of t he

16 house and made sure you preser ved i t as evi dence,

17 r i ght ?

18 A. Ri ght , but we di dn' t know i t was f or ei gn

19 unt i l t hen. We di dn' t know i t was f or ei gn at t hat

20 t i me.

21 Q. Ri ght , Mr . Davi s was t he one t hat br ought

22 t hat t o your at t ent i on on t hi s dat e a f ew days l at er

23 on May 24t h, r i ght ?


25 Q. Now, at t hat t i me, di d Mr . Davi s ever t el l


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1 you t hat t he f r ont compar t ment may l i kel y be a pl ace

2 wher e t he f i r ear m was or t he gun?

3 A. I don' t t hi nk he t ol d me t hat at t hat

4 t i me.

5 Q. And t hen subsequent t o t hat i s when you

6 went t o Mr . Davi s' s of f i ce. I bel i eve i t was on

7 J une 2nd. I f you go t o Page 21, i t st ar t s J une 2nd,

8 and cont i nues t o t he next page al l t he way down t o

9 4: 00 p. m. on t hat dat e. That ' s when he pr ovi ded t o

10 you t hi s bl ack box and t hen event ual l y you f ol l owed

11 up wi t h Wayne Wi l l i ams, cor r ect ?


13 Q. At t hat t i me when he gave you t he bl ack

14 box, di d he t el l you t hat i t was l i kel y t hat may

15 have been what was suspect ed t o be t he gun?

16 A. No.

17 Q. Now, on J ul y 22, 2011 i s when you were

18 f i nal l y abl e t o i nt er vi ew J asmi ne Davi s, cor r ect ?

19 A. J ul y 22nd. I t sounds r i ght . I woul d have

20 t o l ook t hr ough and ver i f y t he dat e, but - -

21 THE COURT: What was t he year ?

22 MR. DURKEE: 2011. J ul y 22, 2011.

23 A. J ul y 22nd, yes, 2011.

24 Q. And you woul d agr ee wi t h me t hat

25 chr onol ogi cal l y t hat was af t er t he bl ack box had


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1 been di scover ed i n t he f r ont compar t ment by

2 Mr . Davi s, cor r ect ?

3 A. Yes. That occur r ed af t er , yes.

4 Q. And i t was al so af t er i t was di scover ed

5 t hat Reynal do was deaf and had a pr of oundl y hard

6 t i me maki ng noi se, cor r ect ?

7 A. I ' m sor r y, say t hat agai n.

8 Q. That was al so af t er i t was common

9 knowl edge, newspapers, et cet era, t hat Reynal do was

10 deaf and mut e, cor r ect ?

11 A. I knew t hat . I don' t know i f i t was i n

12 t he newspaper s or common knowl edge, but I knew t hat

13 he was - - he was deaf but he coul d make noi ses and

14 sounds and wor ds.

15 Q. Thi s was t he f i r st t i me t hat anybody had

16 t ol d you t hat t her e was somet hi ng t hat l ooked l i ke a

17 gun t hat had been pl aced i n t he f r ont compar t ment of

18 t he wave r unner , cor r ect ?

19 A. I bel i eve so. Fr om Mr s. Davi s' s

20 i nt er vi ew, I bel i eve so.

21 Q. And t hi s i s t he f i r st t i me anyone t ol d you

22 he was r eachi ng i n t he f r ont compar t ment when he was

23 shot , cor r ect ?

24 A. That was her st atement , yes.

25 Q. Now, she t ol d you i n her st at ement t hat


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1 she r ecal l ed t el l i ng t he of f i cer s t hat t he man had a

2 gun and t o l ook f or a gun, cor r ect ?


4 Q. Di d you ever ask her , "Ma' am, why di dn' t

5 you t el l us t hat i t was i n t he f r ont compar t ment "?

6 A. I don' t know i f I asked her t hat speci f i c

7 quest i on, but she expl ai ned t hat i n her i nt er vi ew.

8 Q. How di d she expl ai n t hat ?

9 A. Wel l , she expl ai ned t hat she saw hi m l ean

10 f or war d put t i ng somet hi ng i n t he f r ont compar t ment ,

11 whi ch she bel i eved t o be t he gun t hat he was hol di ng

12 i n hi s hands, and t hen he agai n l eaned i n t he f r ont

13 compar t ment , whi ch i s why she t hought he was goi ng

14 t o shoot her .

15 Q. Ri ght , whi ch i t woul d seem t hat her , mor e

16 t han anybody el se i n t he whol e wor l d, woul d want

17 somebody t o l ook i n t hat f r ont compar t ment and l ook

18 f or t he gun, r i ght ? I mean, t hat ' s t he t hi ng t hat

19 was causi ng her t he f ear t o shoot somebody i n t he

20 head had der i ved f r om, was t hi s f r ont compar t ment

21 t hat supposedl y i n her mi nd cont ai ned a gun.

22 Now, she t ol d you i n her st at ement t hat

23 she r ecal l ed t el l i ng t he of f i cer s t hat he had a gun

24 and t hat t hey shoul d l ook f or i t . But why di dn' t

25 you t el l her , "Ma' am, why di dn' t you t el l us t o l ook


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1 i n t he f r ont compar t ment ?"

2 A. Why di dn' t I say t hat t o her ?

3 Q. Yes, I mean, t hat woul d seem l ogi cal .

4 "Ma' am, you were at t he scene. We are here wi t h t he

5 pol i ce of f i cer s. You have a cr i mi nal def ense l awyer

6 st andi ng r i ght next t o you. You' r e pr of f er i ng

7 st at ement s. The one pi ece of evi dence t hat i s

8 excul pat or y, t hat pr oves you j ust i f i ed i n shoot i ng

9 t hi s f el l ow, i s t he gun. "

10 Why woul dn' t she, among al l t he peopl e

11 t hat wer e out t her e, woul d want t o f i nd t hat gun?

12 You had suba di ver s l ooki ng al l ar ound t he wat er

13 l ooki ng f or i t . Why di dn' t you ask her , "Ma' am, why

14 di dn' t you t el l me t he gun was i n t he f r ont

15 compar t ment ? I was st andi ng r i ght t her e. "

16 MR. MURPHY: Obj ect i on, J udge,

17 argument at i ve.

18 THE COURT: Over r ul ed.

19 Q. You don' t have an answer t o t hat ?

20 A. No, no, no. The way you' r e ani mat ed, I

21 don' t know, I ' m j ust not l i ke t hat . So I don' t know

22 why I di dn' t t el l her , ma' am, I can' t bel i eve you

23 di dn' t t el l me. That ' s not how I spoke t o her .

24 Q. Now, al so at t hat poi nt , because we know

25 Reynal do was deaf and mut e, t he st or y changed a


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1 l i t t l e bi t f r om her f i r st st at ement . Her f i r st

2 st at ement was, " I sai d I had a gun" and he

3 r esponded, " I have a gun, t oo. "

4 Now her st at ement says he' s onl y sayi ng

5 one wor d, "gun. " I s t hat r i ght ?

6 A. I don' t know t hat her st at ement ever was

7 t hat he st at ed, " I have a gun, t oo. " I don' t know

8 t hat . She t ol d me t hat he sai d, "gun, " and t hat he

9 had what she bel i eved was a gun i n hi s hands.

10 Q. Wel l , i n At t or ney Rat zan' s pr of f er t o you

11 at t he scene, she pr of f er ed t o you on behal f of Ms.

12 J asmi ne Davi s t he f ol l owi ng quot e, " J asmi ne t ol d t he

13 man she had a gun and t he man sai d he had a gun,

14 t oo, " r i ght ?

15 A. So unl ess you' r e quot i ng f r om my r epor t , I

16 di dn' t use quot at i ons and t her e i s not quot e t her e.

17 Q. But you - -

18 A. I t says, " J asmi ne t ol d t he man she had a

19 gun and t he man sai d he had a gun, t oo. " I t i s

20 r easonabl e t o me t hat by sayi ng, "gun, " havi ng

21 somet hi ng t hat l ooks l i ke gun, coul d be sai d he had

22 a gun, t oo.

23 Q. But now she t el l s you i n her st at ement

24 t hat t he onl y t hi ng she hear d was maybe t he word,

25 "gun, " r i ght ?


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1 A. I don' t know i f she sai d maybe t hat ' s what

2 she hear d, but she t ol d me t hat she hear d hi m say

3 "gun. "

4 Q. And, agai n, i n her st or y t hat she pr ovi ded

5 t o you i n her st at ement , she i s not sayi ng t hat he

6 sai d gun i n r esponse t o her command. He j ust

7 sol i ci t s - - he j ust says t he wor d "gun, " r i ght when

8 he i s st andi ng next t o t he wave r unner wi t h

9 somet hi ng bl ack i n hi s hands, r i ght ?

10 A. I don' t know. I woul d have t o l ook

11 t hr ough and r ead i t agai n.

12 Q. Let ' s see i f we can f i nd i t t oget her .

13 A. I ' m sor r y, what page ar e we on?

14 Q. I t ' s on Page 35. I t ' s on Page 38.

15 A. Page 38 at t he t op.

16 Q. Yes, at t he t op.

17 So, I mean, she doesn' t say anyt hi ng about

18 t he f act t hat she sai d she had a gun and t hen he

19 sai d he had a gun, t oo. She j ust basi cal l y says

20 t hat she l ost t r ack of hi m f or a second, t hen he

21 popped out f r om behi nd t he wave runner , whi ch was on

22 t he el ect r i cal l i f t i n t he backyar d. The man t hen

23 came ar ound t o t he f r ont of t he wave r unner and she

24 not i ced t he f r ont of t he hood of t he wave r unner

25 open. She hear d t he man say, " quot e, unquot e - - and


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1 t hi s one i s i n quot es, "gun, " r i ght ?


3 Q. So i t ' s no l onger i n r esponse t o her

4 sayi ng, " I have a gun, " and t hen he says, " I have a

5 gun, t oo" or "gun" i n r esponse t o her , i t ' s j ust he

6 goes by t he wave r unner and says, "gun"?

7 A. Ri ght , I don' t know t hat anywher e i t says

8 t hat hi s st at ement was i n di r ect r esponse t o her s.

9 She sai d she had a gun and he sai d he had a gun,

10 t oo. So sayi ng "gun, " t hat f i t s.

11 Q. Ri ght , but i f i t had been t he ot her way,

12 i f i t had been t he way she or i gi nal l y wr i t t en down,

13 her sayi ng, " I have a gun, " and he sai d, " I have a

14 gun, t oo, " i f i t was t hat way, i t r eal l y coul dn' t

15 have happened t hat way because he was deaf . So he

16 coul dn' t have r esponded t o her when she was t al ki ng

17 t o hi m, r i ght ?

18 A. Wel l , he pr obabl y di dn' t f or m t he sent ence

19 because he coul dn' t do t hat . I have a gun, t oo, I

20 don' t bel i eve t hat he ever sai d t hat .

21 Q. And he coul dn' t have r esponded t o her

22 ver bal commands because he coul dn' t hear , r i ght ?

23 A. Of cour se he coul d r espond t o her

24 commands. He coul d r ead l i ps.

25 Q. Okay.


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1 A. So I don' t know why - - he coul d def i ni t el y

2 r espond t o her .

3 Q. So i t ' s your i nt er pr et at i on t hat i n t hi s

4 moment of anar chy and ever yt hi ng el se, he' s l ooki ng

5 at her and r eadi ng her l i ps of " I have a gun, " and

6 t hat ' s how you sor t of r ect i f y t hi s?

7 A. I have no i ssue wi t h t hat . He coul d ver y

8 wel l be r eadi ng her l i ps and hear her say t hat she

9 has a gun. That di dn' t seem unr easonabl e t o me.

10 Q. Now, dur i ng t he st at ement she al so t ol d

11 you t hat when she wal ked out t he backdoor , she

12 not i ced t here was a st r anger i n her yar d, number

13 one. She not i ced t hat t he wave r unner was uncover ed

14 and t he f ami l y' s boat was not i n t he backyar d and

15 t he east st orage cl oset was open and t hat ' s when she

16 became scar ed, cor r ect ?

17 A. I don' t know i f t hose t hi ngs happened i n

18 t he or der t hat you j ust sai d, but al l of t hose

19 t hi ngs di d occur .

20 Q. But t hat ' s when she got scar ed i s when she

21 came out t he backdoor and not i ced t hose t hi ngs,

22 r i ght ?

23 A. Wel l , she wasn' t scared when she went out

24 t he backdoor . She became scared as a r esul t of al l

25 of t hose t hi ngs t hat wer e happeni ng.


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1 Q. Now, l et me ask you i f you r emember t hi s

2 quest i on and t hi s answer on Page 57 of your

3 deposi t i on.

4 "Q. So at t he t i me she began t o get

5 scar ed, she was wal ki ng down t o t he st orage ar ea

6 t owar ds t he seawal l . I s t hat r i ght ?

7 "A. I t appear s as t hough she wal ked out

8 t he backyard. She hadn' t wal ked al l t he way down or

9 t owar ds t he seawal l . She j ust wal ked out of her

10 backdoor .

11 "Q. She j ust wal ked out of her backdoor ,

12 not i ced t hese t hi ngs and began t o get scar ed. I s

13 t hat what she t ol d you?

14 "A. Yes. "

15 Do you r emember gi vi ng t hat t est i mony?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. So J asmi ne t ol d you t hat as soon as she

18 got out t he backdoor , t hat ' s when she st ar t ed t o get

19 scar ed, r i ght ?

20 A. No. What I sai d t hen and what I am sayi ng

21 now i s t hat when she came out si de of her backdoor ,

22 af t er al l of t he t hi ngs t hat she obser ved and t he

23 t hi ngs t hat wer e happeni ng, she got scared.

24 Q. That ' s what you t ol d me i n your

25 deposi t i on, r i ght , what I j ust r ead, r i ght ?


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1 A. Whi ch i s t he same t hi ng I ' m sayi ng r i ght

2 now.

3 Q. Okay.

4 Now, you f i nal l y i nt er vi ewed J ack Davi s on

5 November 29, 2011, si x mont hs af t er t he shoot i ng.

6 We t al ked about t hat , r i ght ?


8 Q. And one of t he mai n t hi ngs he sai d was he

9 shot because hi s mot her t ol d hi m t hat t he f el l ow i n

10 t he wat er had a gun, r i ght ?

11 A. Ri ght .

12 Q. Now, you al r eady t ol d t he Cour t you

13 l i st ened t o t he 911 t ape. Fi r st of al l , t hr oughout

14 t he 911 t ape, Ms. J asmi ne Davi s i s t al ki ng i n a ver y

15 exci t ed and i n a hi gh, al most scr eami ng on t he 911

16 t ape, cor r ect ?

17 A. I r ecal l her bei ng ver y exci t ed, yes.

18 Q. And you never heard on t hat 911 t ape her

19 say t o her son, "He' s got a gun"?

20 A. I don' t r ecal l hear i ng t hat . I haven' t

21 l i st ened t o t he 911 t ape f or qui t e some t i me.

22 Q. Wel l , i sn' t t hat what a l ead i nvest i gat or

23 i s supposed t o do? You got t wo f ol ks t hat have

24 al r eady l i ed t o you. You know t hei r cr edi bi l i t y

25 f r om t he day t hi s i nvest i gat i on st ar t ed shoul d be


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1 di mi ni shed because t hey have al r eady l i ed t o t he

2 pol i ce of f i cer s and now you got hi m sayi ng t he sol e

3 r eason I shot was because my mom t ol d me he had a

4 gun. Woul dn' t you go back t o t he 911 t ape and see

5 whet her you ever hear d her t el l her son i n t hi s

6 exci t ed voi ce, "He' s got a gun. Be car ef ul , he' s

7 got a gun?"

8 Woul dn' t you at l east do t hat t o

9 i nvest i gat e whet her hi s st or y t hat he' s t el l i ng i s

10 t r ue or not ?

11 A. As I sai d, I ' m sur e I l i s tened t o t he

12 t ape. I di dn' t make a not at i on. I don' t r ecal l

13 hear i ng her say t hat .

14 Q. I mean, whet her she sai d t hat t o hi m or

15 not i s cr uci al t o your i nvest i gat i on, i sn' t i t ?

16 A. That she t ol d hi m he had a gun? He i s - -

17 i s i t i mpor t ant ? I t ' s al l i mpor t ant .

18 Q. Wel l , I mean, wi t hout her t el l i ng hi m he' s

19 got a gun, he' s got no r easonabl e f ear f or hi s l i f e

20 because t here i s no gun. He di dn' t know t here was a

21 gun out t her e. He never saw a gun.

22 A. Hi s f ear was f r om hi s mot her , hi s mot her ' s

23 r eact i on t o what was goi ng on. He was r eact i ng of f

24 of hi s mot her , cl ear l y.

25 Q. Cl ear l y, but t hat doesn' t gi ve you a r i ght


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1 t o shoot somebody i n t he head. What he sai d i s I

2 shot because I was i n f ear f or my l i f e because my

3 mom t ol d me he had a gun.

4 So t hat ' s r eal l y t he key par t of usi ng

5 deadl y f or ce i s t hat he i s i n f ear f or hi s l i f e,

6 r i ght ?

7 A. Ri ght . I bel i eve he was i n f ear f or hi s

8 l i f e.

9 Q. And t he r eason he' s i n f ear f or hi s l i f e

10 i s because he f eel s l i ke t he f el l ow i n t he wat er has

11 a gun and t he way he der i ves t hat i nf ormat i on,

12 accor di ng t o hi s st at ement , i s hi s mot her t el l s hi m

13 he' s got a gun. That ' s what he t ol d you, r i ght ?

14 A. Yes, t hat ' s what he sai d.

15 Q. So t hen my quest i on t o you i s, do you

16 speci f i cal l y r ecal l af t er he gave t hi s st at ement

17 goi ng back t o t he 911 t ape t o see whet her t here was

18 any r ecor di ng of t he mot her t el l i ng t he son he' s got

19 a gun?

20 A. I j ust t ol d you t hat I l i st ened t o t he 911

21 t ape and I di d not hear her say t hat . I t doesn' t

22 mean she di dn' t say i t . I di d not hear her say t hat

23 on t he 911 t ape.

24 Q. Now, somet hi ng el se t hat he t ol d you i n

25 hi s st at ement was t hat when he t ook t he wave r unner


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1 and st ar t ed t o go out t o t he bay and l eave t he

2 pr emi ses, t hat hi s mot her sai d i n an exci t ed way and

3 you put quot es on t hi s - -

4 A. What page?

5 Q. I t ' s wher e he gi ves hi s st at ement , but I

6 wi l l f i nd i t f or you.

7 A. On Page 47?

8 Q. I t hi nk t hat ' s i t .

9 A. Okay.

10 Q. Ri ght . I wi l l quot e i t f or you. He t ol d

11 you, " J ack' s mot her sai d t o hi m t o wai t . She was

12 exci t ed and sai d, " and you wr ot e t hi s one i n quot es,

13 "Wai t ! Wai t ! Wai t ! Ver y qui ckl y. They st ar t ed t o

14 f eel r el i ef t he man was goi ng t o l eave. "

15 I asked you agai n, "She sai d t hi s i n an

16 exci t ed and l oud manner , wai t , wai t , he' s l eavi ng. "

17 Di d you ever go back t o t he 911 t ape t o see whet her

18 you coul d ver i f y whet her she i n f act r eal l y di d say

19 that?

20 A. I t ol d you t hat I l i st ened t o t he 911

21 t ape.

22 Q. Di d you hear J asmi ne Davi s scr eami ng,

23 "Wai t , wai t , wai t "?

24 A. I don' t r ecal l her screami ng, "Wai t , wai t ,

25 wai t . "


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1 Q. I mean, don' t you agr ee i f t he 911 t ape,

2 whi ch was r ecor di ng cont emporaneousl y wi t h t hi s

3 event happeni ng, doesn' t suppor t t hese st at ement s

4 t hat ar e gi ven si x mont hs l at er , t her e i s some

5 cont r adi ct i on her e?

6 A. I have no i ssue wi t h i t . The phone coul d

7 have been away f r om her mout h. Maybe i t wasn' t next

8 t o her mout h when she was t al ki ng.

9 Q. But t hese ar e f ol ks - -

10 A. I have no i ssue wi t h t hat what soever .

11 Q. These f ol ks al r eady have di mi ni shed

12 credi bi l i t y wi t h you. You t ol d us t hat , because

13 t hey l i ed, bot h of t hem di d, r i ght of f t he bat ,

14 r i ght ?

15 A. They di dn' t l i e t o me. What I was t ol d by

16 t he ot her of f i cer s was not t he same t hi ng I was t ol d

17 by J ack and J asmi ne. So t hey never l i ed t o me.

18 Q. You knew t hat t hese f ol ks, t he ver y f i r st

19 t hi ng t hey di d when t al ki ng t o pol i ce of f i cer s af t er

20 t hi s shoot i ng, was t o l i e. You knew t hat , di dn' t

21 you?

22 A. That was t he st at ement t hat t hey made,

23 yes.

24 Q. And we al r eady t al ked about t hat . At t he

25 ver y begi nni ng of my cr oss exami nat i on I sai d t o you


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1 when peopl e l i e t o t he pol i ce, you have t o put a

2 l i t t l e mar k, cr edi bi l i t y i s a f act or and you agr eed

3 wi t h t hat . Cr edi bi l i t y has t o be l ooked at ,

4 correct?

5 A. I woul d agr ee wi t h t hat , but I t hi nk you

6 al so t ake t he t ot al i t y of t he ci r cumst ances and you

7 t r y t o under st and - - as pol i ce of f i cer s, we t r y t o

8 under st and why do peopl e l i e? What i s t hei r

9 mot i vat i on? What ' s goi ng on? Peopl e l i e t o t he

10 pol i ce al l t he t i me.

11 Q. Absol ut el y. And t hen you go back and t r y

12 and pul l out obj ect i ve evi dence and compar e i t t o

13 t hei r s tat ement s t o see i f i t al l j i ves , r i ght ?

14 A. That ' s r i ght .

15 Q. Because t hat way, you got t hese peopl e

16 t hat have some di mi ni shed credi bi l i t y, t hey l i ed, we

17 know t hat , so now we' ve got t o real l y hol d t hem up

18 t o t he br i ght l i ght of obj ect i ve f act s and see

19 whet her we can support what ' s comi ng out of t hei r

20 mout h.

21 So i t seems l i ke you woul d go back t o t he

22 911 t ape and see whether you coul d ver i f y t hese

23 st at ement s t hat J ack was maki ng on t he 911 t ape.

24 Di d you do t hat ?

25 A. I j ust t ol d you t hat I l i st ened t o i t and


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1 I di dn' t hear , "Wai t , wai t , wai t , " nor di d I hear

2 t hat he had a gun. I ' m not sur e what el se you' r e

3 aski ng.

4 Q. Wel l , t hat ' s what I was aski ng.

5 A. Wel l , I answer ed t hat t wi ce al r eady.

6 Q. Now, t he obj ect i ve evi dence ot her t han t he

7 st at ement s t hat were gi ven by J asmi ne and J ack was,

8 number one, you gat her ed up f i nger pr i nt s t hat we

9 know you wer en' t abl e t o gat her any - - I f or get what

10 t he cr i mi nal cour t uses, but i t ' s any evi dence t hat

11 was of val ue f or t he f i nger pr i nt s t hat you guys

12 t ook. I s t hat cor r ect ?


14 Q. Then you t ook DNA al l over t he scene, not

15 al l over t he scene, but i n cer t ai n l ocat i ons and you

16 wer e abl e t o gat her no evi dence t hat was of val ue

17 wi t h t he DNA t est i ng. I s t hat r i ght ?


19 Q. And you were hopi ng t o suppor t Ms. Davi s' s

20 and J ack' s st at ement t hat he was al l t he way up by

21 t he f r ont of t he st or age f aci l i t y because maybe hi s

22 DNA had t r ansf er r ed ont o t he door or maybe hi s

23 f i nger pr i nt s had t r ansf er r ed i n t he ar ea t hat was up

24 by t he house, cor r ect ?

25 A. Wel l , t hat ' s t he r eason we swabbed t he


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1 door and dust ed t he door s t o see i f we can f i nd hi s

2 f i nger pr i nt s.

3 Q. And you never f ound any obj ect i ve evi dence

4 t hat suppor t ed t hat he was up by t he house?

5 A. We had a negat i ve r esul t wi t h t he

6 f i nger pr i nt s and t he DNA.

7 Q. So t her e was no obj ect i ve evi dence t o

8 suppor t t he st at ement of J asmi ne t hat he was up by

9 t he st or age f aci l i t i es, cor r ect ?

10 A. Yeah, t hat ' s r i ght .

11 Q. You al so had obj ect i ve evi dence t hat

12 Reynal do had been shot f r om behi nd and t he bul l et s

13 wer e comi ng f r om t he back r i ght t o t he back par t of

14 hi s head. I s t hat r i ght ?

15 A. I ' m showi ng on t he r i ght si de. Back t o

16 f r ont , r i ght si de.

17 Q. But back t o f r ont , cor r ect ?

18 A. I bel i eve t hat ' s what t he aut opsy says.

19 Q. You obvi ousl y went down and t al ked t o t he

20 medi cal exami ner t o make sur e you knew exact l y what

21 hi s f i ndi ng wer e and hi s opi ni ons wer e as a r esul t

22 of where t he shoot er was when he got hi t wi t h t he

23 bul l et s, r i ght ?

24 A. That was di scussed, yes.

25 Q. And he t ol d you t hat t he shooter was


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1 behi nd hi m r i ght t o l ef t , back t o f r ont ?

2 A. I t was on t he r i ght si de. So back t o

3 f r ont .

4 Q. The bul l et s wer e comi ng f r om behi nd?

5 A. Fr om t he r i ght si de. Not f r om behi nd.

6 Fr om t he r i ght si de and back t o f r ont and sl i ght l y

7 downward, I bel i eve. You have a copy of t he aut opsy

8 r epor t , r i ght ?

9 Q. I do, and we have t aken hi s deposi t i on so

10 t he Cour t wi l l be abl e t o r ead t hat , but you

11 r emember me aski ng t hi s quest i on and you gi vi ng t hi s

12 answer on Page 58:

13 "Q. So he had t o have been f aci ng away

14 f r om t he gun when he was shot . I s t hat r i ght ?

15 "A. The back of hi s head was t owards t he

16 gun, yes.

17 "Q. Okay, and you t hi nk t hat he was

18 f aci ng when he was shot t owar ds t he bay or do you

19 t hi nk he was f aci ng t owar ds t he pr oper t y?

20 "A. Wel l , i f t hey wer e st andi ng on t he

21 seawal l and he was shot i n t he back t owar d t he

22 f r ont , t hen he woul d have had t o have been f aci ng

23 t owar ds t he bay. "

24 Do you r emember gi vi ng t hose answer s?

25 A. Yes.


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1 Q. And you agr ee wi t h t hat as you si t her e

2 t oday?

3 A. Yes, f r om r i ght si de, back t o f r ont , yes,

4 he woul d have t o be f aci ng t he bay.

5 MR. DURKEE: Thank you. I have no f ur t her

6 quest i ons.

7 THE COURT: Redi r ect .

8 MR. MURPHY: Yes.

9 MR. DURKEE: Oh, I have one f ur t her one,

10 Your Honor . I ' m sor r y.

11 THE COURT: That ' s okay.

12 Q. ( By Mr . Dur kee) I ' m goi ng t o show you now

13 what has been mar ked as Pl ai nt i f f ' s 1- L f or I D and

14 what was pr evi ousl y marked as 1- K f or I D.

15 You i nst r uct ed or somebody i nst r uct ed t he

16 cr i me scene i nvest i gat or s t o t ake a pi ct ur e of J ack

17 and t o t ake a pi ct ur e of t he shi r t he had on when he

18 di d t he shoot i ng. I s t hat r i ght ?

19 A. Yes.

20 Q. By t he t i me t he pol i ce had got t en t her e,

21 J ack had al r eady changed hi s shi r t , number one,

22 true?

23 A. He was wear i ng a di f f er ent shi r t .

24 Q. And t he shi r t t hat he had on dur i ng t he

25 shoot i ng had al r eady been pl aced i n a bucket wi t h


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1 soapy wat er and had t o be ret r i eved by t he pol i ce,

2 correct?

3 A. Yes. The Davi s housekeeper was ver y

4 ef f i ci ent .

5 Q. To say t he l east .

6 Now, you have i nvest i gat ed l ot s of

7 homi ci des and ever yt hi ng el se. I mean, you

8 underst and t hat peopl e may t r y and cover up

9 evi dence, cor r ect ?

10 A. Peopl e do t hat , yes.

11 Q. Di d t hi s r ai se any suspi ci on t o you t hat

12 wi t hi n t he f i r s t hal f hour , wi t hi n t he f i r s t f ew

13 mi nut es af t er t he shoot i ng, t hat t he shoot er had

14 al r eady changed shi r t s and t he bl oody shi r t had been

15 put i n somet hi ng t o cl ean i t ? Di d t hat r ai se any

16 suspi ci on t o you at al l ?

17 A. No.

18 MR. DURKEE: Okay. Thank you. I have no

19 f ur t her quest i ons.

20 THE COURT: Redi r ect .

21 MR. MURPHY: Yes.

22 REDI RECT EXAMI NATI ON

23 BY MR. MURPHY:

24 Q. Det ect i ve Nye, j ust a f ew f ol l ow- up

25 quest i ons. You wer e posed quest i ons f r om t he


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1 l awyer , whi ch I t hi nk you pr obabl y f i gur ed out wer e

2 goi ng t owar d t he gi st of an ar gument t hat t he cr i me

3 scene was somehow cont ami nat ed and wi t nesses wer e

4 not bei ng sequest er ed. Di d you get t hat i mpr essi on

5 f r om t he quest i ons?

6 A. Yes.

7 Q. Now, consi der i ng what was br ought up, di d

8 any of t hat i n t hi s i nvest i gat i on ever cause you or

9 l ead you t o bel i eve t hat because of any al l eged

10 sequest r at i on pr obl ems or cr i me scene cont ami nat i on,

11 t hat t he Davi ses wer e not i n l egi t i mat e f ear of t he

12 t hr eat t hat t hey wer e r epor t i ng based upon t hat

13 al l eged cont ami nat i on and sequest r at i on of wi t ness

14 probl ems?

15 MR. DURKEE: Obj ect i on, Your Honor .

16 THE COURT: I ' m goi ng t o over r ul e t hat

17 obj ect i on t he way i t was phr ased. You may

18 answer .

19 A. I t has no af f ect on t hei r absol ut e f ear

20 and t er r or , none what soever .

21 Q. Counsel asked you a l ot of quest i ons about

22 t he f i r st l i e t hat t hey t ol d you and t hat t he l i e,

23 and we tal ked about i t and i t has been acknowl edged

24 i n t hi s case, t hat i s, t he f act t hat J asmi ne Davi s

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1 i nt egr i t y or cr edi t abi l i t y of t hei r ver si on of what

2 happened and t he f ear and t hr eat t hat t hey

3 exper i enced?

4 MR. DURKEE: Obj ect i on.

5 THE COURT: Over r ul ed.

6 A. No, not at al l .

7 Q. You were asked some quest i ons about i f you

8 coul d have - - r emember t he quest i ons about , wai t ,

9 wai t , wai t ? Remember t hose quest i ons scr eami ng,

10 wai t , wai t , wai t ?

11 A. Yes.

12 Q. And you were di r ect ed t o Page 47 of your

13 r epor t , r emember?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. And r emember t he at t orney I t hi nk was

16 sayi ng somet hi ng about - - he sai d i n an exci t ed

17 t one, wai t , wai t , wai t , and he was act ual l y shout i ng

18 i t more t han exci t ed. Do you r emember t hat quest i on

19 a f ew mi nut es ago?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. I woul d l i ke t o di r ect you t o Page 47 and

22 I t hi nk t he passage t hat we wer e deal i ng wi t h t hat

23 he was r ef er enci ng appear s t o be t he l ast sent ence

24 i n t hat mi ddl e par agr aph. Do you see t hat ?

25 A. Yes, I do.


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1 Q. Coul d you r ead t hat ? And t hi s i s a

2 par aphr asi ng of t he st at ement t hat J ack gave t o you,

3 correct?

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. Wi t h r egar d t o t hat , wai t , wai t , wai t

6 i ssue, coul d you pl ease r ead what you r epor t ed t hat

7 J ack sai d i n t hat st at ement ver bat i m, wor d f or wor d?

8 A. " J ack' s mot her sai d f or hi m t o wai t . She

9 was ver y exci t ed and sai d, wai t , wai t , wai t ver y

10 qui ckl y. "

11 Q. Hol d on. Let ' s t ake i t sl owl y. That l ast

12 sent ence, do you see t hat l ast sent ence t hat says,

13 "She was exci t ed"?

14 A. Uh- huh.

15 Q. Do you see t hat ?

16 A. Yes.

17 Q. Read t hat sent ence, i f you coul d, i n i t s

18 ent i r et y and ver y sl owl y, pl ease.

19 A. "She was exci t ed and sai d" - -

20 Q. Fi r st par t of i t i s, "She was exci t ed. "

21 We al l agr ee t hat she was exci t ed, r i ght ?

22 A. Yes.

23 Q. Next par t of i t .

24 A. "She was exci t ed and sai d, wai t , wai t ,

25 wai t ver y qui ckl y. " That ' s i t .


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1 Q. I t says, "She was exci t ed and t hen sai d,

2 wai t , wai t , wai t . " I t doesn' t char act er i ze how she

3 sai d i t . I t doesn' t say t hat she was screami ng i t .

4 I t j ust st at es t hat she was exci t ed and t hen sai d

5 wai t , wai t , wai t , ver y qui ckl y, " r i ght ?

6 A. Yes.

7 Q. So t hat ' s t he descr i pt i on of t he wai t ,

8 wai t , wai t , r i ght ? Not t hat i t was shout ed, not

9 t hat i t was scr eamed, but t hat i t was sai d ver y

10 qui ckl y, cor r ect ?


12 Q. And t hat ' s exact l y what t hat sent ence

13 sai d?


15 MR. MURPHY: That ' s al l I have.

16 MR. DURKEE: May I have a br i ef r ecr oss?

17 THE COURT: I f i t ' s on somet hi ng new.

18 MR. DURKEE: One quest i on.

19 THE COURT: Go ahead.

20 RECROSS EXAMI NATI ON

21 BY MR. DURKEE:

22 Q. You know what an excl amat i on poi nt i s,

23 r i ght ?

24 A. I do.

25 Q. I mean, you' r e wr i t i ng a pol i ce r epor t on


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1 a homi ci de, you want t o be as absol ut el y accur at e as

2 you possi bl y can be, r i ght ?


4 Q. What does an excl amat i on poi nt mean?

5 A. An excl amat i on poi nt i s somet hi ng t hat

6 says wi t h emphasi s.

7 Q. And t hi s i s one of t he ar eas i n your

8 r epor t t hat you act ual l y used quot at i on mar ks

9 because you want ed t o capt ur e ver bat i m what J ack

10 t ol d you, cor r ect ?


12 Q. And you wr ot e i n quot at i on marks, "Wai t !

13 Wai t ! Wai t , " so t hat you accur at el y and compl et el y

14 capt ur e what J ack t ol d you, cor r ect ?

15 A. That i s r i ght , because he sai d, "wai t ,

16 wai t , wai t . "

17 MR. DURKEE: No f ur t her quest i ons.

18 THE COURT: Let me ask a quest i on. When

19 you t ook f i nger pr i nt s t o t r y t o l i f t pr i nt s f r om

20 t he door s or any of t he DNA, were t here any

21 el i mi nat i on pr i nt s or DNA t aken f r om t he peopl e

22 who r esi ded i n t he house?

23 THE WI TNESS: I woul d have t o l ook and

24 see. I don' t r ecal l , but t her e was not hi ng of

25 val ue. I t was such a mi x of DNA, t here was


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1 not hi ng t hat coul d be ext r act ed of any val ue.

2 THE COURT: Were t he f i ngerpr i nt s or were

3 any suf f i ci ent poi nt of i dent i f i cat i on, wer e

4 t hey of any val ue, do you now?

5 THE WI TNESS: No, t her e was no val ue

6 what soever .

7 THE COURT: Al l r i ght . Thank you.

8 Anythi ng el se?

9 MR. DURKEE: No, Your Honor .

10 THE COURT: Thank you, Det ect i ve

11 Nye- Gonzal ez. You may st ep down.

12 ( Wi t ness excused. )

13 THE COURT: We have been goi ng f or an

14 hour , what do we have l ef t ?

15 MR. MURPHY: J udge, f r om our poi nt of

16 vi ew, we j ust woul d admi t recor ds i nt o evi dence

17 and ot her t han t hat we woul d r est .

18 MR. DURKEE: That ' s goi ng t o t ake some

19 t i me because he j ust want s t he whol e t hi ng

20 submi t t ed and I don' t thi nk al l of i t shoul d be

21 submi t t ed.

22 MR. MURPHY: Al l of what ?

23 THE COURT: That ' s why we ar e goi ng t o

24 t ake a break now f or 15 mi nut es and you guys can

25 t al k on t he br eak and t hen I wi l l come out and


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1 l i st en t o t he r est . So I wi l l be back i n about

2 15 mi nut es.

3 ( Recess t aken. )

4 THE COURT: So Mr . Mur phy?

5 MR. MURPHY: We' r e j ust goi ng t o move our

6 exhi bi t s f or I D i nt o evi dence and t hen some

7 ot her evi dence, but I t hi nk Mr . Dur kee sai d he

8 want ed t o go t hr ough i t f i r st . I don' t know

9 t hat we have a di sagr eement .

10 THE COURT: That ' s f i ne.

11 MR. DURKEE: J ust admi ni st r at i ve at t he

12 end, Your Honor . We al so agr eed t o f our

13 deposi t i ons bei ng submi t t ed t o t he Cour t i n

14 t hei r ent i r et y.

15 And we have bot h gi ven t he Cour t

16 desi gnat i ons as t o what t he def endant , or t he

17 par t y wi t h t he bur den of pr oof i n t hi s hear i ng,

18 has desi gnat ed and al so what we have desi gnat ed

19 as t o what we f eel you shoul d concent r at e on.

20 THE COURT: What are t he f our deposi t i ons?

21 MR. MURPHY: We sent i n a bi nder wi t h

22 t hem, pl us desi gnat i ons.

23 THE COURT: Di d you?

24 MR. MURPHY: Yes.

25 THE COURT: When?


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1 MR. MURPHY: Two weeks ago.

2 THE COURT: We have t o f i nd i t , t hen. I

3 want t

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