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EXAMINATION UNDER OATH OF :
ADAM LOPEZ
February 22 , 2017
PURSUANT TO AGREEMENT, the Examination Under
Oath of ADAM LOPEZ was taken on February 22 , 2017, at
9 : 03 a . m . at 720 South Colorado Boulevard , Suite
1110 - Denver , Colorado 80246 , before Jennifer
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WHEREUPON, the following proceedingsweretaken pursuant to the Colorado Rules of CivilProcedure
EXAMINATIONUNDER OATH OF:
ADAM LOPEZ
February 22, 2017
PURSUANT TO AGREEMENT, the Examination Under
Oath of ADAM LOPEZ was taken on February 22 , 2017, at
9 : 03 a . m . at 720 South Colorado Boulevard, Suite
1110- Denver, Colorado80246, before JenniferWindham , Certified Shorthand Reporter and Notary
Public within Colorado.
ADAM LOPEZ
having been first duly sworn to state the whole truth ,testified as follows
THE DEPONENT: I do.
EXAMINATION
BY MR. LUNEAU :
Q . Mr. Lopez, can you state your full namefor the record, spelling your last name.
A Adam Lopez, L - - - e -z
Q . Mr. Lopez, did you work for the
DepartmentofHealth ?A Yes
Q . Could you telluswhen you worked for the
DepartmentofHealthandwhatyourresponsibilities
were?A . I want to say 2011 and 2012 . Probably
March of 2011. I think it was about three months, and
then I was in school during the time, so I went back
to school. And then I was rehired , I think , in , Iwant to say , September for nine months , because I
guess that' s how long they can do it as an internship
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The Orr Law Firm L . L . C .720 South Colorado Boulevard
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DANIEL E LUNEAU ESQ .
Fife Luneau, P . .1873 South Bellaire Street
Suite 200Denver , Colorado 80222
before they haveto start giving you benefits .
So I think aroundDecemberof, I wantto
say, 2012, was when they letme go from there. And
duringthetime-- Imean, I was an intern, so I kind
ofjusthad mywhateverresponsibilitiesMikeor Jeff
wantedmeto have.
Q . (BYMR. ORR) And when you say" Mike,"who are you speakingof?
. Barnhill and Jeff Groff.
Q . Okay. Thank you. So what were those
responsibilities ?
A . Therewas a coupleofdifferentones, Iguess. Mostlywhat I wasresponsiblefor, for the
mostpart, weredownloadinginformationfrom the
computersystem theyused on theold intoxilyzersat
the timein I think, 2011, becausethey used a
dial- up at that time.
And then I wasalso responsiblefor
providinglawyers documentation for the breathalyzers
for the -- I guess thepeoplewhowere goingto getprosecutedorwhatever for the drinkinganddriving,
so I ran -- I used to drive those tests to them .
Whatelsedid I do? Lateron theykind
of gavemetheresponsibilityofdecommissioningthe
old onesand gettingrid ofthem prettymuch in the
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much whateverthey kindofwanted meto do . They had
mefile a lotof thingsbecausetheywere goingfromhard copyto electronic. So neartheend, I was
downloadinga lotof things, scanninga lot of things.
Q (BYMR. LUNEAU) Whatdid you do with the
Intoxilyzer9000 ? Whatwas your rolewith that
device?
A . The only thing I really did with thatwas
whenwehad a groupofpeople thatwere runningtestson it because, I guess, at thetime, they needed a
sampleor a couple ofsamplesto work offof to say
thatwas okay to work with and allof these things.
So I was there pretty justto
breatheinto them . Thatwouldbe aboutit. Thenewones I didn't do too much likediagnostic-type stuff
on them . The old ones I kind of did, becauseMike
Barnhillshowedmehow to kind ofclean them out, you
know. Because, I guess, they get, from breathingsomuchinto them , you get debris and things likethat in
air hoses, and you hadto clean them outthat way.
So thenew ones I really didn' t do a
whole lot, other than that timewhenhebrought in --
or Jeff brought in a couple other individuals. I
think there was oneother person . I don't remember
the old ones. And the new ones I really , atthe time,
I did not do very much .I' m trying to think - - because once the
new ones came out, I was pretty much just downloading
and providing samples to lawyers atthe time. There
was another individual there, which I can' thonestly
remember his name. Hewas the one who was doing moreofthe sampling stuff while I was doing all of the
miscellaneous stuff .
Q . (BYMR. ORR) Was he signing off oncertificationson themachine, do you know ?
A . I think so, because, Imean -- I'd have
to say yeah. Hewas theone whowasprovidingallof
the samples at the timewhen theywere bringingthem
in from the other stations, the police officerstations.
Q . Do you rememberwhen themachinescamein
originally; they got shippedinand everybodywas
excited?A Yeah. I remember the first one kind of,
yeah . I remember the Intoxilyzer 9000 . I know what
it looks like. I remember it was gray and everything .It' s like slender, and it had a card reader . It had apunch pad. I remember allof those things. I don't
remember exactly the dates they came in or anything
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his name, because I only saw him for a couple of days
there . And in that time, all we were doing was just
breathing into them , in the breathalyzers , whenever
they would ring or ping, because you had to provide
some type of sample .Q . And did you have anything to do with
helping to certify the 9000 , the initialcertification? Did you do anything?
A . Imean, I didn't do anything, I don't
think, as faras I can tell. I mean, I was a part of
when they werebecomingcertified, I guess. I was
thereduringthetime. Butas formesigninganythingor anythinglikethat, I don' t recall, nor do I recall
like anybodyaskingmyopinion on anything. I mean, I
was just, like I said, just thereas an extrabody
just to providea sample
Q . And if somebody likeMike Barnhill saidthat you were assisting in the certifications , what
would that mean ? Like how would you have assisted ,
other than blowing into the device ? Did you do any
calibrations or anything like that ?A . No. I was there as an intern. I had no
idea really anything in terms of the calibrating. Imean , they showed mehow to make samples , but itwas
nothing that I regularly did. And that was used on
like that.
Q . , no. That s fine.
Q . (BY MR. LUNEAU ) Were you around - I
mean, you - - your role with these 9000 , you were ,
basically , blowing into the machine and somebody elsewas doing the rest of the work , or was your role
with the certifications , if you can remember ?
A . Prettymuch just blowing into the
machines , yeah . Because wehad about like 16 of them
lined up . I want to say on - - there 's like three
tables -- I don't know if you ' ve ever been there or
not, but there 's three tables . And there ' s about 16of them lined up.
And at the time,myrolewas basically
just to get thesamplesthatwerealreadymadeandput
it in there, andthen breathe into them wheneverthey
ping, becausethey needed them atthetime. Whenever
theypingiswhen you would haveto providea breathsample.
Wehad them lined up , so prettymuch each
one you hadto go to me, and I wantto say- - I can't
rememberhisname- - anotherindividualwho was
helpingat that time. We were just goingaroundbreathinginto them .
Q . Who wassigning off that they did the
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certifications, doyou remember?
A That one I don' t remember .
Q . Do you know Mike Barnhill, right ?A . Yeah , I know Mike Barnhill .
Q . WasMike Barnhill in the room ?
A Yes .
Q . Who else that you knew was in the room ?
A . Once again, I don't rememberthenames.
I mean, I don' t know their names.
Q . Was Jeff Groffin the room ?
A Occasionally, butnotroutinely, no. He
wasusuallyin his own separateoffice. I hardlyever
saw him . Only when hecamein once in a while just
to, I guess, check up and let usknow that he
was goingto go to like a courthearing, becausehewentto a couple of those everyonce in a while.
Mymain boss was pretty much Mike, Mike
Barnhill. Other than that, Jeff was kind ofhis boss.
So I never really talked to Jeff too much, other than
saying -- you know , going to see him , check up on how
things were doing for me in terms of the internship ,
but never did like we ever have a conversation in
terms of like the breathalyzers with me. Itwas
usually through Mike.
Q . So Mike Barnhillis there. How many
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person. You ' renot sure if they were an employee ?A . No, I ' m not too sure . Because wehad one
employee there, and then he left, and I ' m not too -- I
can 't recall if he was there during the time of the
breathalyzer , but I' m pretty sure he was.
And then we had two new employees come in
immediately after the testing, pretty much . So after
we had did allof the calibrations for the items, we
had two other employees that -- I remember one of them
was Andrea . I can' t remember her last name. And then
the other one, I want to say is Alex --
Q . ( BY MR. LUNEAU ) Anthony ?A . Anthony, yes .
Q Mistich or Mistich ( pronouncing ) ?A . I don 't remember his last name. I just
know Anthony or Alex . Hewas the one after theystarted coming in for , not calibrations, but after thewhole calibration period where I was on the computer
just downloading stuff, he was the one who was goingand doing all of the calibrating and doing all of thestuff . I wasn ' t really touching anything.
Q When you said weweredoingthecalibrations, I mean, other than you blowingin the
machine, what were you doing?
A . When I say " calibrations, " I just think
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other people besides you and Barnhill were there ?A . Two others .
Q . Were these Department of Healthemployees ?
A . Ibelieveone of them was and oneofthem
wasn't. I think the other one was just fromsomewhere.
. ( BY MR. ORR ) Possibly from CMIor?
A . I think so, yeah . Something like that.Q . Does that gentleman look familiar to you ?
A . Yeah , that' s him .
Q . Is that the gentleman that was there ?
A . Yeah . That would be the one , yeah .Q . Can I, for the record , show that I' m
showing a picture of Alan C . Triggs off his LinkedIn
page. And that' s the other individual who is signingoff on these machines ?
A . Yeah .
. (BY MR. LUNEAU ) So Mr. Triggs is signing
off on themachines , Mr. Barnhill is signing off on
the machines . Did you see anybody else signing offonthem ?
A . No. Wewere the only ones that werethere at the time.
Q . (BY MR. ORR) You said there was a third
of likethewholeprocessof it. Imean, I didn't run
anynumbers. I don' t know anythingaboutthenumbers
oranythinglikethat. I don't know anythingtoomuchaboutmaintenancein termsof the new ones anymore,
becauseI didn't do any maintenanceon the new ones.
The only ones I did were the old ones.
. So the people who arethere, so you've
gotMikeBarnhill, Alan Triggs, someother personyou've neverseen, and then later you see Andrea and
Anthony?A Yeah
Q . So this other person you didn' t see, do
you think he was affiliated with Mr. Triggs, or who doyou think hewas?
A . I thoughthewas a Departmentof Health
employee. I actuallythoughtallof them wereatthe
time, because I did notreallythink toomuch aboutit. I just wasthere, and itwas somethingthatwe
were going to alldo and hadto do at the time, so I
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Q . (BY MR. LUNEAU ) Mr. Lopez, what, otherthan blowing into themachines , did you do or
Mr. Barnhill show you how to do? And I know you might
have a hard time remembering this ; itwas a while ago.
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But as bestyou can describe, whatelse did you do as
partof the certification of thesemachines?A . So I'm nottoo sure in termsof
certification, butI can tell you theresponsibilities
that I kind ofwas doingor thingsthatMike showedmehow to do .
Q . Sure
A . Mike showed me how to take the old
machines -- or the new ones , actually. So the
machines, Mike showed mehow to create the samples .
Wehad to create so many different levels , I guess ,
of -- I want to say itwas pH or something -- that we
had to provide by putting alcohol droplets into each
one.
And then you had to run them for a bit,
andthen you had to putthem and change them out for
each intoxilyzer. So that was also probablyduring
the certificationprocess. You had a sample that was
alreadycreated, andthen you had to lineitup andattach it.
There was a lot of different samples that
you had to provide. I think there was like five or
six of them , different vials. They' re just for like
masonary jars . And each time you were providing a
sample , you had to switch it out and provide a
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remember being there, and I remember him and Jeff
talking about it a littlebit, and then him talking, Ithink , to Alan about itwhen we were all there. Therewas only three of us there, or four of us, actually .
And when we were discussing it, I thinkhe might have asked me about it. But, I mean, being
the intern and just kind of doing whatever I was there
for, I really didn 't take it to thought .Q . Whatwas the conversation ?
A Itwasn' t really -- well like between me
and him or between him and Jeff ?Q . Anything about the IDs, using each
other ' s IDs.MR. ORR : The whole thing, what do you
remember ?A . I think , if I remember - - this is a while
back, but I know he and Jeffwerehaving conversationsabout a lot of things about what they were going todo , about the process of how they were going to do it.
Hedidn' t specifically ask me, you know ,like anything about employee ID numbers or anythinglike that. No one did . But just from being in the
and hearing their conversation kind of go backand forth , I want to say that , like -- not Jeff,
Mike had asked aboutusing different employee ID
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differentone, and then blow again , andswitch it outand blow it again. So that is a lotofdifferent
things thatkind ofwenton at the time.
I' m tryingto think ofwhat else.Cleaning. That was another thing. Just cleaningout
those vials. Becauseafter so manyruns, they had to
be redid. So I had to run them in hotwater and cleanthem out and let them air dry and just turn them
upsidedown.
Q . And when you ' re changing outthe
chemicals, I mean, that' s -- this is before the
rolloutof the 9000s. You guys are testingthe devicebefore its rollout?
A . Yes.
Q . And when you' rechangingout thesechemicals, are you signingoff withMr. Barnhillon
any documentsor anythinglikethat?A Not that I can recall. Itmaybe
possible. I mean, I ' m nottoo sure, honestly. Asfar
as I know, though, no.
Q DidMr. Barnhillever give you authority,or was itokaywithMr. Barnhillthat his ID was used
since youwerehis intern while you're goingthroughthesemachines?
A . I mean, itnever really cameup. I
numbers, but Jeff had stated that, you know , would itbe okay just to use his, which , I think , Mike was not,
at the time -- what I -- when I overheard them , wasnot -- I don 't want to say comfortable with it , butjust - - I mean , second guessing it in a sense .
Buthekind of just wentwith it because,
I mean, Jeff was hisboss, and because that was his
bossandMike was myboss, weall kind of just wentwith it.
Q (BY MR. ORR ) So in your interpretation ,or what you remember , is that Jeff wanted everybody to
Mike' s ID ' s number ?MR. LUNEAU: And nothis ?
A Yeah . As far as I know , yeah . Becausefor one, Jeff wasn ' t in the room at all doing his
certifications at the time. He was there a little, I want to say , when wewere working the late
hours and wehad to come in on Saturdays , actually ,just because wewere , I guess , running behind. So Iknow I worked a little bit of overtime there .
And hewas there a coupleofdays, butI
don't recallhim , youknow, goingtoo much to each
breathalyzerand providingasmany samplesasmeor
Alan did. I thinkmeand Alanwere the ones thatwere
providingmostof thebreath samplesand switching
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Q . (BY MR. LUNEAU ) And just so I ' munderstanding , when you ' saying switching thechemicals out, what do you mean ? What was thatprocess you were doing ?
A . You had to make so many vials ofdifferentsolution
Q . Likecertain amounts of alcohol or
acetone or things like that?
A . Yeah. Prettymuch. I don 't recallwhat
everythingwas anymore. But, yeah, you had to makeso
manydifferentvials anddifferentmasonry jars, and
each onehadtwo or twoportsthat you would
plug into thenew intoxilyzer, and then itwould just
click togetherrightthen.
And then you' d breathe into it , and then
you' d have to switch that one out and get the other
one that you already pre -made and put the next one in
there. And it had to hit a certain chemical , I guess ,
level or register a certain percentage or calibrate a
number on the screen , and then we' d be okay , and we'd
go to the next one.Usually , I mean , if something was too
much off, too low or too high , you' d have to rerun thesample again , because maybe somethingwas wrong or
doingall of thesecertifications?
A. I couldn't say specifically for him , but
I' d have to say, yeah, because I don't recallanyofususingany IDs.
Q . Youwerealloperating underMr. Barnhill?
A Yeah. And I want to say thatweused his
card, actually,becauseI don't know if itwas a pin
or a padthatweused,butI 'm pretty sure thatwehad
to use a card, and then , of course, you needed a
password, so we allused one password. I rememberthat.
Q (BYMR. ORR) Do you remembercallingor
havingAlan callforMr. Barnhillto comeback and
sign offon stuff?A . No.
Q WasMikealwaysin the room , or washe
sometimes gonewhile this testingwas goingon ?
A . He could be sometimes gone . I mean, Idon ' t know about during the testing period . I think
he was there most of the time. But I know he had
other responsibilities , too . I mean, hehad training
to do for the police departments that would come in .
I can 't recall, I mean, if itwas during
that timeat all, but I know thathehad other
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maybeyou didn' t provideit rightor somethinglike
that. So, I mean, thatwasthe switchingof thesamples.
Otherthan that, I mean, likeI said ,
after you get so many, because wehadto run a lot,lotof differentmachinesand a lotofdifferent
tests, after so many, you had to take them andcleanthem and disposeofthe solution andbasically clean
them out again and remakeanother one.
Q . And because you'reunderMr. Barnhill,
after you did that, did you sign off that this was
doneby Mr. Barnhill since you were his intern?A . I don 't recall. Like I said , I don 't
recall signing paperwork .Q . Sure.
A . I don' t recall seeing too much paperworkor anything like that .
Q Was there an electronic pad that youwould sign off on ?
A . I know you could sign off on it, butI' m
not too sure ifI signed offon it.
Q . Do you know ifMr. Triggs was, as part ofthe - - it sounds like a team of you guys -- certifyingthese devices ? WasMr. Triggs, was he just usingMr. Barnhill' s ID because the three of you guys were
responsibilities and other duties that he wouldn ' t be
in the office for a lengthy period of time. SometimesI would be the only person in the office by myself
taking phone calls or, you know , doing calibrations
here and thereQ . Calibrationson the new machines?
A . Notreally on the new machines, more on
the old ones. Becauselike I said, when -- by the
timethat happened, Anthonywas already there and
Andrea were alreadythere. Sousually, by that time,I mean, if I was there, therewas somebody there with
me. I really hardly ever was - - anythingthat I had
to go do on themachinestoo much, other than like
maybeblow into them or switch out the vials, butthat s aboutall.
I can't recallif I did anythingfor
certificationwise. For one, becauseMikedidn't want
meto be-- puttoomuch paperworkon mebecause,firstof all, I didn't havethe educationfor any of
that. I was just in an internshipthere. ButI could
still, of course, likeprintoutdocumentsand send
thingshere and there. That's aboutall.As far as I know , becauseMike didn' t
wantme to be too involved in case, like -- I guess --
I rememberhesaid one timehe said in case I had to
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go and talk to some type of lawyer or something likethat, like now.
MR. LUNEAU: Can we go off therecord fora second.
(Discussion off the record. )
Q . (BY MR. ORR ) After you did your
calibrations of themachine , how would you or Triggs
tell Jeff that thatmachine was done ? Was there a
little pad saying we did this one ?
A . I wantto say therewas likea listof
oneswehad to go through, but I know I didn't -- like
I said, I did not talk to Jeffhardly at all. Iusually just toldMikeifwe were done with them , and
thatwould be aboutit. I don't recall, you know,
check-markinganything. I don't recalllabelinganything
Q . So somebody, once you told them it was
done, said okay, and then they mighthave signed thecertificate?
A Yeah. Imean , like I said , I don 'tremember ever signing a hard-copy certificate.
Q . Okay. Butyoumighthave done themagicpad?
A . Yeah . It could havebeen on the pad , buteven then I don' t recall it.
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maybehewas from the onehere in Glendale, and I
thoughtmaybehe wascomingin just to help usoutorsomething
Q . (BYMR. ORR) So the gentlemanwhose
picture thatyou identified, did he ever tell you thathewas legal counsel?
A . No.
Q . Did he ever tell you thatheworked forCMIdirectly ?
A . No
Q . But that is him ?
A . Yeah . I remember his name and his face ,
yeah . I remember his last name, and I know who he
was, and we didn' t talk a whole lot, obviously . We
just kind of just did things. Him and Mike knew eachother a lotmore than I did , I guess , or Jeff.
Because I had no -- he just came in for those , I want
to say two weeks or so , and then he was gone, and I
never saw him again .
Q . And thatwas thetwo-week certification
period --
A . Yeah . Hewas only there during thattime. Hewas never there for anything after for termsof like cleaning or in terms of likewhen the police
brought it in for certification , the intoxilyzer , the
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certification worksheet ? Have you ever heard of
something like that ? Did you have a worksheet when
you were going through these ?A . Not that they provided to me, no, I don't
think so .
Q . (BYMR. ORR) So rightnow I ' ve gotMike
Barnhill, JeffGroff, yourself, Alan Triggs, and somesalesguydoingallof this work on themachines,
right? Was there anybodyelse untilAndrea and
Anthonyjoined this
A . You have Mike, the sales guy, Alan , me.I don 't think so . Imean , I can 't recall anybodyelse.
Q . (BYMR. LUNEAU ) And just so we' renot
putting words in your mouth , there' s Alan Triggs and
there ' s another guy . Was it your opinion that thatguy was from themanufacturer or from the sales
department or something like that?
I thought they were all from the
Department of Health . I apologize . I had no ideathat they were different people from different places .
I thought they were from the Department of Health , and
I thought because there was two offices, I thought
police department.He was never there for any ofthe
cleaning, any of the paperwork for like downloading or
providing lawyers things . Hewas never there after
that or before that . He was only there during thosecouple of weeks or couple of days when we were
certifying or breathing into the machines and
switching out samples here and there .
(Discussionoff therecord. )
Q (BYMR. ORR) , Adam , whatwasthe
generalatmospherelike at CDPHE? Was it pro
defendant, pro -- well tellmeaboutit. How would
you say, overall, from your background? Whatwould be
yourbackground to look at this from ?
A . So when I camein coming from my
background, just rightoutof college and still being
in college, I had a criminology and psychology degree.
Sowhen I cameinto it, I came initiallywith theintentto becomea law officer.
So itwas a good outletformeto get a
good contextfor the state - - for the entire state and
see which departments, youknow , I mightwantto goto . And I letJeff know, JeffGroffknow aboutthat,
andhewas goingto letmeknow in termsofcontact,
you know , which one evenhepreferredover certain
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ones, becausethey talk to them all, so theyknow , you
know, whichones are good with paperwork or goodwithpolice officers.
But in terms of like my history or
contact with the police department that was there or
in terms ofthe paperwork that I saw , itall kind of
seemed very , like, pro prosecution in a sense , very
much against individuals or people who were
prosecuted .
Q . Orthose accused?
A . Or thoseaccused, yeah . Becauseallof
the paperworkI ever saw and, like I said, on the
computer, everythingwas prettymuch in plain blackandwhitethatthey were drunk or drivingunderthe
influence. And Imean, those are just the things
thatwe had provided, because those are the thingsthat they blew into the intoxilyzer.
Q . And you would say was very, what,
prowhich way?
A . Imean , I couldn 't exactly say with him
because, I mean , he would go into the courtrooms and
things like that . I'm not too sure what he said in
the courtroom or anything like that ,but I know hewas
really good friends , of course, with the law
enforcement .
Butyeah, I mean, the only onewho was
really - - had anythingto do with the -- in courtroom
thingwas just Jeff. I neverheard ofMikegoing over
thereorhavingto go to any courtroom hearingsor
anythinglikethat.
Q . So did you provideany - - youwere in
charge, you said -- or not in charge, butyouassisted
with CORA requests?
A . I don' t recallwhat that is by name.
Q . Gettinginformationto lawyersthat
requested it.
A . Yeah, yeah . I gavethem thepaperwork.I hadto sendthem in a manila envelope, usually, the
documentationfor thetest ofwhat so - and- so blew and
all of these things. Andthen, usually, all of those
thingswere also the certificationsthatwerein a
printoutor an e-sign , I guessI wantto say.
And they would just printit out, and
then itwould tell you the dateofwhen thatmachine
or instrumentthathad been blownforthat individual
was certified and thedates when youhad to get
recertifiedand thingslikethat. So I had to provide
a copy ofthat to them .
I 'm trying to think what else I had to
provide. I know sometimes I had -- well, not to them ,
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Same thing with Mike , they were allreally close with the law enforcement , because
work with them pretty much and trained them allhow
to , you know , administer these tests . In a separateroom was their training room , so Iwas never in there .
I didn 't even know what they talked about in terms of
the training. But they all had to do that , and they
all had to come in , the police officers had to comeinto the lab .
And while I wason thecomputer and
stuff, theywould be givingthem a demoor showing
them how itworked, and sometimesthey would breathe,
sometimesthey'd haveto sign up on stuff in thebackin the room . There was a lot of likeback andforth in termsofwhere theywere at.
Q . (BYMR. LUNEAU) Werethereany comments
aboutcertaindefense lawyers, any derogatorycomments
aboutany lawyersin the defense community?A . Not that I can tell , not that Iknew . I
mean , I probably didn 't even know which ones were
defense attorneys or not atthe time. I mean , yeah ,
they probably didn't like certain people . I mean ,
they probably said certain things, butnothing that I
could recall what they said or took , you know , as
serious or anything like that.
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but I know sometimes -- I don 't know if ithas to dowith CORA , or whatever it is, but I know sometimes the
police departments have to call and have to
troubleshoot with them .
I have to letthem know, you know , likehow -- you know, to walk them through a littlebit of
these things, youknow, andhow to do -- I didn' t do
toomuch,because, I mean, I didn' t know too muchof
troubleshootingfor the new one. Theold ones I did,
butnotthenew one.So I usuallywould justhaveMikecontact
them again. But, usually, Imean, iftherewassomethingin termsofyou could an ID numberup
for them , for a policeofficer, I can do that. Thatwassomethingsimple. If you had somethingwrong, you
know, I could try to look up his informationandseewhatwaswrong with that. Butin termsoflike,
actually, like sendinganythingelse, I don' t recallittoomuch. I know wehad likea --
Q . Likeifan attorney requested somedata,
let' s say , from the initialcertification, would your
role havebeen to providethedata to them ?
A . Yeah, I think so . For -- because I knowwhen we provided information , it was a lotof
paperwork , a lot of different certifications. There
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was likefiveorsix differentdocumentsI had to
printout, and I would just providethem that. AndMikewas theone to show mewhich ones to printout.
So I would justclick, click, click and then printthem outand send them on their way.
Q Who would tell you orwho would say,okay, give this to this attorney ? Was there anything
whereyou were told you can' t send this, but sendthis?
A . I mean , I think there was something likethat ,but it wasn 't like in terms of like don 't send
that lawyer this or like don ' t send that lawyer that.
Itwas more of just like the wide spectrum of like we
can 't provide this documentation so , you know , these
are the ones you can provide to the public, these ones
you can't . But, Imean, there was never, like,
anything in terms of --
Q . Whatwereexamplesof the documents that
could notbeprovided?
A . That I wouldn't be able to recall.
Q . Was that coming from Jeff orMr. Barnhill?
A . Mr. Barnhill
Q (BYMR. ORR) You comefrom a generation
wherewe' re tryingto go paperless, correct?
Q. And you could havedownloaded that easily
to like a jumpdrive thatwould have saved you a lotof money and time?
A . We could have, I guess , yeah . I mean, I
didn't think too much about it. It was there on the
computer , and the only ones who had access to thecomputers , in general , were the employees .
Butyeah, we could have. Wecould have
easily putit into probablydifferentfiles or
different jumpdrives or USBs. And then from there, I
mean, it could have been portable and things like
that, yeah,butwe didn' t think too muchabout it, orI didn't think too much about it.
Q . (BYMR. LUNEAU) When you were involved
in assistingMr. Barnhill or anyone else at the
Departmentof Health, did you ever get a chance to
look at any schematics ormanualsfrom CMIthatshowedhow themachineworked
A I know there was a manual. But, like I
said, I didn t read through it because itwas longand
itwas a lotofwork and a lotof informationthat, at
the time, because Iwas interning, I didn't really
care to read it
Q . Sure.A . And I knew for the new ones ,
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Q . And so could they haveeasily saved allof that paper and putiton a jump drive, allof thatinformation ?
A . They could have. And at the time, that' skind of one of the things I was -- at the end , I wasstarting to do . I was starting to get a lotof thedocumentations that were hard copies. And if theywere hard copies, was trying to PDF it, at least, tothe computer.
To be honest, though , I didn't like doing
itbecause it was a boring and tedious task , so I
didn' t do very much of it. I would download most of
it, but I wasn 't filing it.
And then later on Anthony , when I left,
was just going to take everything , so I gave him allof the PDFs I had, and then he was going to
everything else, and that was about it, but yeah .
Q . And you had access to the COBRA data ,
right?A . Yeah. I don't recallwhich one thatone
especially -- Imean, I didn' t read it because I
really didn' t have very much to do in terms of, you
know , teaching the police officers how to use it. SoI really didn't have any responsibilities for learning
how to use it too much , other than what Mike showed meand what Mike provided me and told me, you know , what
we have to do in terms of the samples, change them
out, and information to provide to lawyers or
police departments .
Q . Was that manual ever given to any
lawyers, or was that something you guys were allowedto give out?
A . Imean, I never gavethe manualout to
anybody. I hardly ever -- I think I onlysaw itonceor twice, and thatwas probablyduringthe
certification thing. Itwas just there in case likesomethingwentwrongand you neededthe manualto
troubleshootsomething.
But, of course, I didn ' t know what was
going wrong with it. I would just letMike or
somebody else know , well, hey , you know , something is
not registering , and they would look at the manual and
that would be it.
Butno, wedidn't provide a manualin the
mail to any law firms or policedepartments. I don' t
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tests and everything that' s been run on themachines?A Yeah
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know if Jeff had a manual on him when he went tocourtrooms or not, I' m nottoo sure . But yeah , Ihardly ever saw themanual, and I hardly ever used it.
Q . Wherewas themanualatwhen you wereworking there ?
A . It was just in the generaltablearea. I
wantto saythere wasmaybeone or two, I wantto say.
I think there was copies. Butyeah, itwasjust
there. I mean, itwasn' t - - asfar as I could
remember, wehardlytouchedit. At leastmeand Alandidn' t touch it. Wedidn't look at it too much.
Because I don 't even -- I didn't even
think Alan -- I thought Alan was kind of in the same
position that I was almost, like he didn't know what
we were doing either. We were just kind of there
providing samples and that was it.Because I thought Mike and Jeff were the
ones who were in charge of it all , who knew exactly
what was going on. So pretty much any conversationsthat had been in terms of the certification was
usually between Mike and Jeff. Itwasn 't too much
between any ofus.
Q . And so you guys, you and Alan would be,
you know, changingoutthechemicalsor blowinginto
it, andsometimestheremightbean issue, you' d look
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have switched out solutionshere and there . ButI
didn' t reallypay attention, because he was never eventhere to begin with , so I didn' t really like watch him
or see what -- provide any -- talk to him at allhardly.
Q . Did you haveanything to do with , afterthemachinewas certified , printingout thecertificate ?
that I can recall. I mean, I don' t
even -- I don 't remember signing anything. Idon 't
remember printing anything . All I remember is
everything was certified and everything had acertificate , because all of them did , all I remember
is providing the copy ofthe certificate to the
lawyers and to the police departments .
Q . (BYMR. ORR) Doyou remember when thename- - David Butcher' s namewas on the certificate?
A I wantto say, yeah ,but I don't know who
hewas.
Q . Do you rememberwhen it changed to LauraGillim -Ross --
A . No
Q . -- from David Butcher? Were you there at
that time? I think it happened after you left, so I' mnot - -
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what s going on with this ?
A . Yeah.
Q . And then Mikewould come over and take a
look at it, or -- would Jeff comeover alsoatsomepoint?
A . Yeah. Because, like I said, Jeff washardlyever there, becauseweweredoing it for about,
I wantto say abouttwoweeks, MondaythroughFriday.And thoseMondaythrough Fridaytimeperiods, itwas
me,Mike, you know , AlanJeff washardly in theroom . Hewas
usually in the back, his own office, hehad a separateoffice, unlesshewould go to the courtroom hearings
or do someother stuffthat I hardly ever saw him .
The only timehewas there was probably,I think - - I wantto say on a Saturdayfor a littlebit andthatwas it. Because I rememberhe came
andhewasn ' t dressed up. Hewasjust in normal
casualwear, and we allwere at the time, so wewere
just doing it on a Saturday in themorning, I think,or a littlebitmore towardsthe day.
But, I mean , I - I don't recall, youknow , his activity in any of it. I mean, I don' t --
he could override some samples, you know , he could
A . Yeah , I don' t remember that. Iwant tosay - - the name sounds familiar . I mean, I could
spell the last name pretty quickly . And I remember --see, I remember on the certificate there was, I think,
two names . There was , I want to say -- I know Jeffwas on it for sure , I think , on the certificates , I
remember seeing his name, and I want to say it was
Mike's nameon there or David Butcher 's name. Because
there was -- there was a couple of names on the actual
slips .
Q . These are differentslipsthan theones
that were printed off for the lawyers?
A. No. Theywerethe same certificate.Like with thelogo of the Departmentof Health on it
and everything. Yeah. But, I mean, itwasall
generatedthroughthe computerautomatically. Imean,
I didn't really look at it too much. I justknow
therewere signatureson it
Q . Butyou ' re not sure whose ?
A . I 'm nottoo sure whose .
Q . (BY MR. LUNEAU ) Is there anything else
when you weren ' t there that , looking back on, that was
kind of strange or weird ? Is there anything that
happened when you were there that you kind ofquestioned ?
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A . The only thing I thought that was kind ofweird was just the rapid pacewewent through it.Because I knew that -- like I was never there for theold ones, for the certifications, but I knew thattherewas like somewhat of a deadline, because it feltlikewe were kind of rushed.
I mean, wehad to comein on Saturdayon
our days off to do it, which was, obviously, likekind
oflikea red flag in the sense likewehad to hurryto get these done for somereason. Thatwaskindof
the only thingthatmaybekind offeltweird.
I didn't know, you know , if I messed
somethingup, am I in troublebecause Imessed
somethingupbeingin a hurry, or if I did something
wrongon these new breathalyzers, does it screw up
everything, you know. Thatwas the only thing thatwaskindof troubling.
So at that point, I mean, I tried to stay
as much uninvolved in the certification as possible .And usually Mike didn' t wantmeto be involved in any
way. I didn' t have a certificate or an education . He
had some type of certificate that he could work on it,
he was an engineer and went to school for those
things .
Q . Did you feel like you were being asked to
It felt kind of rushed in some sense,
because we did it in a couple of weeks, and we did a
couple of hundred , I want to say . And also they wouldcome in for maintenance quite often , even after wehaddid the initial certifications . And a lot of police
departments would call for troubleshooting and thingslike that.
But, Imean , yeah Imean , nothing is a
hundred percent perfect . Imean, there probably were
some errors here and there. Nothing that I ever heard
of or no one ever spoke to me about.Q. Between you andMr. Triggs, whowasdoing
morewith thecertification, orwereyou bothabout
thesame?
A . I would just say about the same,
probably , because , I mean , I didn' t -- I didn' t take
itas him being anybody that -- I guess how do we say
it? -- that had more authority overme in a sense,
because I was working there in the lab the majority of
the time, and he was coming in just for those
certification periods. So I didn ' t even know -- I
mean I speculated that he knew something aboutthe
machines or the instruments, but I did not question
it. Hewas just there for that time period .
So I wouldn't say eitheroneof us had
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do a littlemorethan whatyou were qualifiedto do?
A . I do, yeah. Because I did not have, like
I said, any engineeringdegree. Mike showedmehow to
clean stuffout, which issimple. Heshowedmehow torecondition theold ones. Heshowed mehow , you
know -- to prettymuch providemaintenance on theinstrument.
Butin termsof like-- he showedmehow
to solderand things like that on the old ones. But,
I mean, it was nothingthat I had ever goneto school
for , no one had ever taughtme. I mean, I had taken
apartequipmentbefore, but-- you know, withmy
father andwhatnot, butneverever haveI likedoneiton an instrumentthat is on a state levelwhere it' s
responsiblefor, you know , somebody' s prosecution oraccused, you know, for DUI. I' ve never done it.
(Discussion off the record. )
. (BY MR. LUNEAU Mr. Lopez, in your
opinion, were thereissueswith the intoxilyzerthat
madeyou question their reliability?
A . Yeah. I' dhave say a little bit justfrom mybackgroundandwhatnot. I always
second- guessed those things to begin with . So, Imean, I know we -- there was a lotofmaintenanceon
thenew ones.
moreresponsibilities. Itwas justmoreofa sensethatwewere both there atthe same time, and wewere
both workingon them .
Q . Do you remember if he signed anything ?A - uh .
Q . Do you remember if that salesperson or
whoever they were were signing anything ?-uh.
Q . It could havebeen signed stuff, but
because itwas so long ago , you don ' t remember ?
A . Yeah . Like I said , I want to say we
either signed -- we could have all signed something ,
but it was never -- how would I say it? It was never,
like all in one paperwork . It was probably on each
instrument individually , ifwe did sign anything,
whether itbe the e- pad or the electronic one or was
some other paperwork , but I'm pretty sure ifwe signed
anything it had to be on the pad.
Q . And if it was on the pad ,because you ' re
usingMikeBarnhill' s card, you probably signed MikeBarnhill?
A . That one I 'm not even too sure . I don ' tthink we signed -- I don't recall -- I don 't think we
would , but we could have . I have no clue, in which
case , I mean, ifwe did , it was something that Mike
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and Jeff had discussed, andmeand Alan were justdoing what we were told at the time.
So I m nottoo sure, actually, yeah, if
the employeeID had conflictingsignatures. That was
kindof somethingI didn' t really payattentiontowhen I wasdoingcertificationsfor them . All I was
reallythinkingaboutwas gettingthe samplesinto the
instrumentandbreathinginto them ,makingsure theywereokay, and thatwas about it.
Q . Wasthereanythingelse besides the
rushednaturethatkindof raised a red flag? And,
obviously, you doing someof the stuff thatyou didn 't
feelcomfortable, you know, changingthe chemicalsand
blowinginto it, the sampling. Otherthan those two,
was there anythingelse thatkindofraised a redflag?
A . The only thingthat kind ofmademe--
kindofmademeworried or maybekindof cautious
about, if anything, was just that there was nevermuchconversation in termsof, like, the processofhow
everythingwas goingto rolloutand, you know , dates
and, you know, a timeframeor anythinglikethatprovided tomewhen I was there.
So, Imean, that was kind ofuncomfortable , because I had no idea on a day -to -day
information to the wrong person.That was kind of the other troubling part
for me, a lotof responsibility, especially on me,somebody that was still in college and somebody thatwould go to school and then work part- time, comebackand -- you know , there was -- it was a lot of
differentduties that I probably -- weren ' t qualifiedto do, obviously . Butbecause I was in an internship ,I guess, and they were miniscule tasks , that they gavethem to me.
Q . (BYMR. ORR) Did you everhaveissueswith theofficersusingother officers' IDs?
A No, not that I recall, no. I don' t --
like I said, wetried -- or I tried, for themost
part, notto giveoutanybody's passwordsor IDsbymistake. I tried to makesure thatitwas just those
people, becauseusuallythoseofficersweretheones
thatcalled for the information, becausethey were the
ones thatweretroubleshootingor somethingwasgoing
wrong at their police departmentwherethey couldn'tfigure itoutor somethinglikethat. Buttherewas
never anythinglikethat thatraised a red flagin asense.
Q. Would you say that Jeff was panicked andrushed to get these things out on time?
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basis whatwewere goingto do. I would justknow
that I was goingto comein and thatwhatevertask I
was given that day maybe somethingI wasn't able tofinish up the day before. But, I mean, there was atask that - - you know, I reallyhadno ideawhatmyofficialduties were at thatplace.
Imean,meinterning, I guess that' s kind
ofwhathappens. But, yeah, I mean, thatwaskindofa littlebit uncomfortablebecause I did not know if I
would have to do somethingthatmaybe, at the time, or
duringthatday Imightfeeluncomfortabledoing.
Andthen also ifMikeor them askedme,
becauseI was an intern, how do I go aboutsaying, no,I don' t feel comfortable doing it ifI were to do it.I neverhad that incidentcomeup toomuch.
Theonly timesI did kindof questionor
ask a lotof thingswere, you know, when I did providethe documentationpaperworkfor lawyers. Especially
for lawyers, I did not want to providethem the wrong
documentation, especiallyif itwas somebody' s, you
know, DUIon the line. Especiallyalsowith the
officers, I didn' t wantto providethewrong
information, because they were supposedto allhavetheirown ID numbersandtheir ownpasswordsand
things like that, so I didnotwant to give outthat
A . I don' t know if I would say panicked, butI felt like, like I said, therewas a rushedor --
yeah , like a rushedmentality, likewehad to get thisdoneby a certain time, becauseweeven camein on
thatSaturday and hadto work for it, too, which Ididn' t understand, becausehardlyeverdidwework on
Saturdaysand hardly everdid weall come in . I knowMikeprobably would comein sometimesjuston hisdowntime, butnevereverwereweall there on a
Saturdayto try to get theserolled out.And what felt really weirdwas that even
though it waskind ofrushed, we stillhad the old
intoxilyzerstillbeingused, so I didn' t -- that waskind of another thing that I didn' t think about, but
now thatI think about it a littlebitmore, I mean,we had the old ones still atthe station atthe time.
And even though we were certifying these
new ones , we were -- I was still sending out thedocumentation for the older ones -- the lawyers - -
because that ' s the ones that they needed , and also
providing the information for the old instruments and
still doing maintenance every once in a while on the
old ones that came in , such as cleaning the tubes, you
know , and making sure the wires were soldered and
connected correctly
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Q . Did you ever have problems getting anymaterials to fix the old machines ?
A. No. As far as I knew, I think we had
everythingQ . Sowe could have runthosemachines for a
couplemore years ?A . I think so , yeah . I mean , there was
never an issue, as far as I knew , with the old
machines. I didn' t even know -- other than what Mike
had told me in terms of the old machines , first of
all, we were doing it because the old machines needed
a lotofmaintenance , because they were very manual,
so they needed a lot ofhand work , you know , to clean
them out, to make sure this was done.
It was also -- the new ones were ,
obviously , a lotmore convenient because they had the
e -pad They also had -- they were a lot lighter , alot smaller . They were also easier to take apart if
you were to try to take them apart. And the old ones ,the old ones had like - - they were like square and
they were very heavy and hard to turn around and
maneuver. The other ones were light, very easy tomaneuver and, you know , fix
Q . Butyou never heard anybodytell you that
they couldn' t get parts for them ?
or anything like that. Pretty much everything that I
did was, like I said , get an air hose and blow stuff
because you couldn 't scrub anything because you would
damage it, and we had to do it all by air . Wehad an
air compressor that we' d blow into the machine.
But yeah , Imean , when I was there, yeah .
The old ones for me, I mean, they seemed to work fine .
I never had anybody complain about them too much , but
we were getting a new one, for some reason , and the
new ones were -- everybody was happy because we weregetting a new one.
Q . Kind of like Christmas?A . Yeah . So we just rolled with it, and
thatwas it. And plus the old ones, I know one thing
that they really hated a lot for the old ones was that
you had to have a dial-up , and so you had to actually
have a computer and Internet and you' d hear the
dial-up ping, and itwas loud and noisy . It took a
while just to upload information , download from it.
And the new one, you didn't have to do too much of
that ; itwasn ' t a dial tone. I want to say prettymuch itwas Ethernet or wireless . Itwas pretty easy .
Itwas going a lot quicker , too , when I had to , like,
look at paperwork or download information from it, and
re- upload it, and, you know , make sure I take a copy
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everything. Whateverwasthere -- I mean, therewas
never, ever an instancewhere we -- that I knew thatwehad to order a part and wecouldn' t providethat
old intoxilyzerback. Because, if I recall, wehadactually reservesfor it in such instances. In case
somethingwereto happen, you know , we could -- they
sendonein, butwe'd alwayssend a new one out to thepolicedepartments, so they could stilloperate. They
weren't just, youknow , completelydeadtherewithout
an intoxilyzer. Wealwayshad one for them if theyshipped one in . Sowehad a couple, I think, in
reserve.
But, yeah , in termsofparts or thingslikethat, I rememberwehaddrawers- - itwouldn' t beMike's desk, but it wouldbe a desk a littlebitmore
on the far right-handsideof the office. Therewas
somedrawerswhere we did allof themaintenanceon
the old ones, and thosehad differentparts. Like
they had chips, they hadhose tubes. They had
differentthingsthat, obviously, wehad stock of.
Nottoomuch that I had to replacetoo manythings.
Most of the stuff I was in charge of wasthe cleaning , so I mean , it wasn' t too much. Like I
had to take outa chip or something, put a new chip in
forus, for ourdocumentation in the office. Itwas
really quickBecause I remember that was one thing I
was - - I did not enjoy was downloading from the old
ones . So it took a long time, and I had to go through
all of them , a hundred or so of them , and then each
one , oneby one by one . And then once I got finished ,by the time I got finished , I 'd have to go back again
and start the new one over and over and over again ,
because we'd need to keep downloading them every weekor so .
Q . Butthe new ones you could do something
differentwith ?A . Thenew ones, like I said, I wasn't there
for thewholeperiod oftimewhen they were rolled
out, and I did notdownloadtoomuch from them . But,
yeah, you could- - I know it was a lot easierto
download, becauseitwenta lot quicker, becauseI
know Anthonywasthe onethatwasdoingmost of thestuff like that.
time, I was already startingtohaveto copy documentsandtry to putthem in the PDF.
That was kind ofmytask at thatpoint. Therewasn' t
too muchelse that I did in termsof, you know ,
providingsamplesorthingslikethat for officers.
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Q . (BY MR. ORR) Adam , thank you so much .
We' ll even get you a copy of the transcript so youhave everything. Obviously , we would like your
permission to be able to share this with other people
so you don ' t have to do this with other people . Is
that okay if we share this ?
A . Yes, it' s fine.
Q . And I possiblywill get a bunch of
questionswritten down thatlawyersare going to go,
Whydidn' t you ask him this? So I may ask you backfor a cup of coffee if that' s okay
A That s fine.
MR. ORR: Thank you so much. And 'll
get you outof here, because I know you' got to goto work
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REPORTER' S CERTIFICATE
STATE OF COLORADO
COUNTY OF DOUGLAS.
I JENNIFER WINDHAM , Certified Shorthand
Reporter and Notary Public ID 20024038675, State of
Colorado, do hereby certify that previous to the
commencement of the examination, the said ADAM LOPEZ
was duly sworn by me to testify to the truth in
relation to the matters in controversy between the
partieshereto that the said deposition was taken in
machine shorthand by me at the time and placeaforesaid and was thereafter reduced to typewritten
form ; that the foregoing is a true transcript of the
questions asked , testimony given , and proceedings had.
I further certify that I am not employed
by , related to , nor of counsel for any of the parties
herein, nor otherwise interested in the outcome of
this litigation.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF I have affixed my
signature and seal this of March , 2017.
My commission expires December 2 , 2018 .
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