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FORMER CONWAY BOMBING AND GUNNERY RANGE RESTORATION MEETING

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PLACE: . North Myrtle Beach High School Auditorium

DATE: Tuesday, August 1, 2 000

TIME: 6:30 p.m. to 8:10 p.m.

PRESENTATIONS GIVEN BY: Ron Nesbit, Jr.

Project Manager US Army Corps of Engineers Charleston District

Ola Awosika Parsons Engineering Science, Inc.

ALSO PRESENT: Suzy Cantor-McKinney Zapata Engineering, P.A. 1100 Kenilworth Avenue, Suite 104 Charlotte, North Carolina 28204

Belinda Estabrook Realty Specialist US Army Corps of Engineers Savannah District

Patricia Berry Program Manager US Army Engineering & Support Center Huntsville Division

REPORTED BY:

Sandy Satterwhite Reporting P.O. Box 742 Roebuck, South Carolina 29376 (864)574-1455

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INDEX

Welcome by Mr. Ron Nesbit, Jr. . 3

Current Site Activities by Mr. Ola Awosika . . . . 9

Community Relations by Ms. Suzy Cantor-McKinney. . 16

Questions by Members in the Audience . 22

Certificate of Reporter 86

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BY MR. NESBIT:

Good evening, everyone. My name is Ron Nesbit.

I'm project manager for the Conway Bombing and Gunnery

Range project. I'm with the Corps of Engineers out of

Charleston, the Charleston District.

Let me just mention or introduce some of the

folks that are here with me. We have Patty Berry.

She's our technical manager from our Huntsville

office. We have Belinda Estabrook. She's from our

real estate office out of Savannah. We have Ola

Awosika. He is our contractor with Parsons

Engineering; and also we have Suzy McKinney. She is

one of our contractors, and she's with Zapata

Engineering.

Okay. The purpose of our meeting tonight is to

provide the opportunity for you to have the

opportunity to ask questions about the project and

also for us to give you the status as to where we are

and what we have done, what we have found, as well as

let you know where we're going and how we're going to

get there, and to provide you the opportunity to buy

in with what's actually being done.

Now, when you have the opportunity to speak,

what I would like for you to do is to please pronounce

your name clearly, state your name, so that the S

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recorder can actually make sure that she records your

name and whatever other information along with your

question or statement, if you would. I wanted to be

certain I mentioned that early.

I want to thank you for being here tonight. I

know it's the summer. I also know it's coming around

close to when the children, time to go back to school,

so there are a lot of things that you're trying to get

done prior to and it's in the middle of the week, as

well; but because of scheduling problems and

everything else, this was the soonest that we could

actually get it done, so I really appreciate your

being here tonight.

One of the things that we have done since our

last meeting, which was back in December, I believe it

was, we came forward and we identified what the

project was about. The Conway Gunnery Range Project

is primarily one of those sites that was utilized by

the government as a targeting gunnery -- bombing and

gunnery range with target.

What type of munitions that were used at the ,

time were bombs that were filled with sand, flour and

so on. Those are the type of munitions that we

anticipate finding on the sites as we begun our

investigation.

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We went through records through all the Army and

Air Force to identify the ranges, what was used on

each of the type of range to further our investigation

as to which sites we really needed to check. It all

ended up, after we completed the investigation based

on records and so on, that range number two, four,

twenty, four and seven were the ranges that we were

now to concentrate our efforts.

Since that time, we have done what we call --

we're involving what we call now an EE/CA. That's an

Engineering Evaluation/Construction Analysis. That's

where we actually go out put a grid in the property

location, your property primarily, and do an

investigation to gather data by taking a piece of

equipment across their property so that we can

determine whether or not we have hits or anomalies on

that property.

We'11 gather all of that information, take it

back and actually do a formal report, which will be an

EE/CA report. That report will then be used as a

means of identifying, or at least making

recommendations, so that we can determine what we're

going to do at that property. In other words, whether

we're going to remove what's there, whether it

requires merely a fence and put signs up or whether it

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requires education about the use of the property at

that given time previously.

Everything we do involving that property is

dependent upon how the property is going to be

utilized. We would not, quote/unquote, clear a

property if it's a tree farm where public domain is

not in any eminent danger. It becomes a cost factor

in terms of economics as well.

The government as decided that our primary

purpose in reality is to provide as much safety the

public as possible, and that's one of the reasons why

we're doing what we are.

There are a number of sites, but the ones that

we're primarily concerned right now, as I mentioned,

are the ones that are in three, two, four, twenty and

seven. There are populated areas and there are

non-populated areas.

We have been through area three. We've been

through area two, and we've been through area twenty, i

The next two areas that we still have to go and put ff

these grids so that we can actually gather that data \

that's required, ranges four and seven. Those areas

are populated to a varying degree.

During the process of gathering that information

we will have the necessity to actually go on your

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property to do this. We anticipate the amount of

interruptions being minimal. In other words,

depending upon where the property is, clearing or

whatever, they'll put a 55/50 grid that they'll

actually take a piece of equipment across to identify

the anomalies or the hits or whatever readings that

they get.

Because of safety requirements it will require

that where they place the grid there's a safety buffer

zone that will have to be placed around the location

when they're about to do that. To do that we will

probably -- not probably, we will have to ask whether

or not there's anyone that will be at home on that

given day or any adjacent property that falls within

that distance that's required for safety purposes,

that individuals for an hour or two. That's about the

maximum amount of time that it will take them to

actually gather that information.

Now, when we went out "initially to begin placing

grids, there were some problems. Some of our folks

were not clearly identified as to who they were. They

were not dressed in such a way where they were easily

recognized as being a part of one of our teams.

That's been rectified. People will be clearly marked.

People will be --or you will be notified in advance

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when they plan to come through the area, and we will

try to work our schedules around you"so that we

actually will cause as little inconvenience to you as

possible.

Now, Ola will talk a little, more about this when

he comes up, but that's a broad spectrum of some of

the things that we have been doing-, some of the things

that we will do to finish the EE/CA phase itself.

Our goal is to finish the EE/CA, at least from

the data gathering perspective, by the end of August,

early mid-September. So, that requires us to be able

to get with the folks that are in areas four and seven

to let them know what is anticipated to happen or how

it is going to impact them during the time when we

would like to be able to get out there.

Ola will talk about that a little more in

detail, but we will have people either calling you,

sending you something in the mail or actually coming

by and knock on your door to actually address the

scheduling and the situation overall.

I wanted to be able to address the broad topic

of what's involved before Ola. comes up and gives you a

background and a little more detail of what they have

done and how we're going to schedule to get things

done, and then we'll give you an opportunity to

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actually ask questions. Thank you. Ola.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Once again, good evening, everybody. It's nice

to have you here this evening, and to those of you who

were here last time in December 1999 to give you an

idea of what we have undertaken here at ranges four

and seven, and I think I've seen a few faces here that

I remember, actually, at that last, you know, meeting

that we had here and also new faces this time around.

For those of you who are not really familiar

with what we are doing here, again, as Ron mentioned,

what we are going through here is the starting process

that is referred to as the EE/CA, the Engineering

Evaluation/Cost Analysis. It's basically geared

towards some plan the area of interest, and then

providing a recommendation to the government, the

Corps of Engineers as to the results of our

investigation at this area of interest.

What we are looking for here, again, to provide

you the background of this site, is that this area was

used basically back in the '40s as a part of the

Second World War effort; and, as a result, most of the

areas that you know were on the use at the time were

used as targets for bombing grounds for different type

of, you know, airplanes, if you will.

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Different types of ordnance were basically used

in this area, if you will. Now they were, •

quote/unquote, regarded as practice ordnance. That is

/ not to say that it couldn't have the potential of any

other type of materials included in that ordnance at

the time it was used as that. So this '----the whole

idea behind this is for us to come in here, go to each

one of the ranges of interest, do some sampling work

and come back and present the data to the "Corps of

Engineers and say that this is what we have found and

this is what we think should be done based on the data

that we have collected.

As of today, we are finished in this initial

field investigation effort, which involves basically

going out in the field, setting up individual grids

which I mentioned are about 50 by 50. Okay. We had

several ones of these grids -- several of these grids

places at many of the ranges that we worked at.

How did we come about the number of grids that

we used at the site? This was something that we

worked with the Corps of Engineers to develop. A

certain percentage of the acreage of the area was

looked at, and we felt confident that the number, in

terms of a representative number, of acreage to the

investigation in each range that we looked at.

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So, to date, between ranges four and seven we

investigated a total of about 500 grids. We got

results back on at least about 3 00 grids, which simply

indicates to us that there's some, you know, remnant

of what was used at this site back in the '40s, some

of which would also include artifacts from residents

in terms of farm equipment, toys, you know, what have

you, you know, that people have used in their homes

over the years.

You have to -- you have, to keep in mind that

this area now has been in use over 40 years since the

end of the Second World War, if you will. Also, this

site -- the site was used for test bombs, you know,

for bombing and everything.

Okay. The results that we have so far indicates

that for range -- as I use my pointer -- indicates

that for range seven, range seven is actually located

south of Highway 90. To those of you who know where

the Bombing Range Road is, Bombing Range Road leads

straight right on to an area classified as range

seven. And you can also go down from Bombing Range

Road, Dewit Circle, all the way, then actually get

into range four. Range four was much of a bigger

range because this is where most of- the bombing

activity took place. What was done mostly here was,

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you know, stripping and use of small, what we call

small, you know, arms --. you know, arms. That's what

was pretty much done here, but most of range four is

the practice bombing and things that were done, you

know, back then in the '40s.

So the whole idea here was to make sure that,

you know, we have our grids placed at locations across

each one of these ranges that will be representative

of the whole area. The results shows that for range

seven we ended up with about 40 hits. When I say 40

hits, meaning we were able to.detect 40 sources within

the area that we investigated that would potentially

be related to ordnance or any other items that are of

fairest origin. When I say fairest origin, it means

anything that has metal content in it at all.

The equipment that we used to do the sampling

work is designed to detect metals in the ground. All

the ordnance that was used back in the '40s had metals

in them, so that would be the most, you know, adequate

equipment to use to try to investigate the area.

For range four we had something close to about

24 0 anomalies in the area we investigated. We

actually investigated just about half of this. The

area that you see here shaded was not investigated,

because that was under development or is under

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development by the golf course company. I believe

Barefoot, if you will, Company, that's the developer

there, and we would like to have been able to get

feedback from them as to if they found anything during

their actual work, you know, installation, work the

field or the greens that they have on the golf

courses. So far we haven't had any data back from

them, but we still hope to be able to get feedback

from them.

So as of today we have collected enough

information that we now need to go back and confirm.

The fourth phase of this investigation is go out and

do the geophysical mapping, get the data that tells

you, you do have potential sources of ordnance or any

other^metal, you know, fairest items of this site.

The next phase of work that we have to do here

has to come from individuals, that is go out there and

confirm at each one of those locations where we found

hits -- quote/unquote, hits. The geophysical mapping

is for the anomalies, and the anomalies means

something that is foreign to the area. If you will,

look at the area that's natural. This will imply that

you will have a foreign item that was not supposed to

have been there. It has been present as a result of

the fact that the area has been used for some reason

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or another.

So, our plan now is that, you know, to go back

out to these sites, to come back up here -- come up

here to work. We are looking to come back out here

within the next couple of weeks, in about three -- I

think it's about two weeks down the road is the

soonest that we will be out here to begin work.

We've got a schedule, you know, drawn up to do

the work. The schedule is such that it will provide

you, the residents, the opportunity of being able to

give us information regarding when you think we can

come on your property to investigate the anomalies

that we have.

One of the questions that may come from you will

be: "Well, why "do you- have to come to my'property?"

I see some of you have taken it upon yourself to

look at this map when you came in to see what's going

on in here. What we have attempted to do here is to

show where those anomalies, those hits are called.

So if you were to look at your property and say,

"Okay. This is my property right here." We have a

property, a parcel ID here as obtained from the

county, and you will see a name here, and you will see

whether we actually have anything found on your

property.

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In addition to that, we've also drawn a circle,

what we call a buffer. It's a 275 foot buffer around

each area where we found -- where we -- where we

detected a hit. What this circle represents is that

any property within that circle could potentially be

impacted by investigation efforts when we come back to

dig the area to confirm what is there.

Now, again, I have to stress the fact that it

does not mean that when we dig there, we're going to

find a bomb. Should we find a bomb if a bomb happens

to be such that it could explode, that is the reason

why we have the buffer, that ring that you see around

the area. We have to be concerned with the properties

that are within that area; and one of the things that

we're going to be asking ydii"is that anybody owns a

property within the ring that we're showing, we will

need to contact you today, tomorrow or anytime within

the next couple of weeks before we actually come on

site. We will make the upmost, you know -- best use

of our time and your time to make sure that we inform

you about exactly what we're going to do and decide

when we come out there to dig so that you will feel

comfortable with the tasks that we have to perform.

Just to discuss a little bit more about the

accomplishment that we made to date. As Ron

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mentioned, this is not the only area that we're

working on. We have about five of them here. Ranges

two, three, four twenty and seven. We finished work

at the ranges two, three, twenty, and we're only left

with four and seven. When I say we've finished work,

what I mean by that is that we finished a sampling

effort. A sampling effort will be completed after we

dig or confirm the anomalies that we detected at each

one of the grids that I mentioned.

At this point, again, I think the only thing

left in my presentation will be, you know, the

questions that you may have regarding "where's my

property, what have you found on my property and when

can I expect you to show up on my property to verify

what you found there."

I think -- yes, I think that will conclude my

presentation and there will be an opportunity for you

to question -- pick up your questions later on at the

end'and we should be able to discuss that. Thanks.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

As we mentioned, the notification to each

property owner that might be impacted during the

intrusive investigation during the digging is of

upmost importance. We want to give everybody as much

advanced notice of the schedule as possible, as well

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as a -- once we give you probably a week's notice,

make sure that the date we're projecting is

satisfactory and accommodates your schedule, then the

night before or the day before, the game plan is to

put a notice on your door as a reminder because you

will be required to be out of your house for two to

three hours, either in the morning or the afternoon,

depending upon how the schedule flows; and Zapata

Engineering will assist in that effort, so if you get

any phone calls or notices that says, "Zapata

Engineering," we're also part of this team.

We do have a toll free number that at any point

in time you haven't heard a schedule or we're missing

each other, there's a conflict at the last minute, you

indicated that you could be-out of the house and all

of a sudden no -- somebody is sick or that won't work,

you have an opportunity for you to call us toll free

and let us know so that we can rework the schedule to

accommodate you; and that number is on the fax sheets,

and it's 888-286-1335, so don't hesitate to call us at

any time to find out the status. We'll keep you as

informed as we can.

The other form that we would like you to

complete and to take to any of your neighbors or

anybody else that you know of in these areas within a

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buffer zone or where there is an anomaly that's been

identified that would need to be excavated, is this

form that's sitting out front, and what this does is,

again, gives us a gauge. If everyone in the household

works everyday and you work from 8:00 in the morning

until 5:00 in the afternoon, then that helps us

realize that it's going to be minimal effort to

schedule to be on your property as opposed to a family

that has young children who stay at home or school

aged kids that get home at 2:00, so that's not

convenient for us to be there in the afternoon; or

households where there might be some elderly

individuals that the accommodations might need to work

a little bit closer with those individuals to

accommodate schedules.

So if you can complete this and take some home

with you to distribute, if you know of anyone else

that we could get those from; and what I noticed this

evening is that we really -- we don't have an address

slot next to the name. You can indicate the actual

address of the parcel. Some of these parcels are owned

by individuals who do not necessarily live there,

either they're rental properties or such. So to make

sure we have the right name and address and phone

number to contact you, that would be extremely

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helpful, and you can leave them with us or mail them

back to Zapata Engineering, and our address is on the

fact sheet and we'll tally and keep all of those.

As far as the reports and the involvement for

the public to be able to comment and be involved with

the project, as Ola and Ron mentioned, the EE/CA,

the Engineering Evaluation/Cost Analysis, when that

document becomes drafted and has gone through the

review through the Corps of Engineers, it will be made

available for public comment. We'll have another

meeting at that time. That, again, is a compilation

of all the data collection effort, the geophysical

data collection, as well as the digging, the

confirmation, data collection and the recommendation,

where do we go from here, what are the removal

alternatives or the best alternatives that would

minimize the risk to the public from these past

activities; and that document will be presented at a

public meeting, and we're probably looking at another

nine months before that becomes available, again,

after all this intrusive excavation. We'll also have

that available and any of our three information

repositories that we've established in the area, all

the project work plans are available there for review.

Any draft documents for public comment, fact sheets,

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all of those are available. We have a repository at

the Chapin Memorial Library, North Myrtle Beach

Library, and down at the library in Conway.

So, again, to keep everybody as informed as you

want to be, we try to make all those documents

available to you. If you think is something and you

can't get your hands on something, want additional

information, you can call us toll free and we'll get

you whatever information you might need.

The last question, and I'll go ahead and throw

this out for you all to consider, if we determine that

there are a significant number of individuals who will

be impacted short term -- again, a half a day is all

we're anticipating -- that don't work, that have small

children, that don't routinely have places to go

during the day, if you have recommendations on where

we might want to set up in a social hall or a

community center to have a facility available for

parts of those days to accommodate those individuals,

we've driven around the area, and we're trying to keep

our eyes opened, and any input you might have would be

extremely helpful.

And, again, not to overstate that we're not

looking for people to be gone for days at a time or

overnight. It's several hours during a given day, and

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that property and any surrounding properties would be

investigated to minimize going back and forth to those

properties. So I will throw that out to you all. If

you can give us any assistance, that would be

appreciated.

So, again, the best we can offer is the toll

free number and the open lines of communication.

Don't hesitate to call if you haven't heard from us.

Check on the schedules, and I think we're going to

review briefly the schedule Ola had mentioned no

sooner than two to three weeks before the team would

be out there, and right now the objective is every

Thursday to have the investigations going on .in this

area. So one day a week they'll be up addressing as

many parcels as they can that all adjoin each other.

So everybody within that safety zone only needs to be

out of their homes for that portion of the day.

So it will be just once a week for a period of

three to four weeks is what the team believes that

they can be -- they will be required to address all of

the areas concerned. Again, only a data collection

effort research, and we'll give you the weekly notice

and a phone call and a flier one to two days prior as

a reminder.

Thank you.

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BY MR. NESBIT:

I know we've thrown a lot of information at you

in a relatively short time, but I know some of you

have got questions now or statements you would like to

make and here's an opportunity. We'll try to answer

or we'll get the answer for you.

Yes, ma'am. Please tell her your name so she

can

BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH:

My name is Judy Faircloth. What else?

BY MR. NESBIT:

That's all you need.


My question is in the areas that you have

already cleared, did you find anything?

BY MR. NESBIT:

Ola.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am. I believe your question is did we

find anything in the area?


Yes.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Are you talking about at range four or seven or

the other ones?

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The other areas that you already cleared.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, the other ones that, we have already cleared

we found artifacts, you know, if you will, from the --

you know, practice use of the sites during the Second

World War, you know, back in the '40s, and that would

involve bombs of different, you know, types in terms

of sizes.


We've lived there for probably 40 years now.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am.


We found those things over the years but never

had anything that was active. We played with them

when we were kids.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Well,


We moved part of them. Part of them I can show

you where they're at.

BY MR. NESBIT:

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Well, let me -- since you said that, let me just

mention the following: Because of the safety issues

that we've got to deal with, and I want you to be as

aware about this as anything else, if you find

something on your property that might be construed as

being a munition, okay, please don't bother It. I

know it's late now, but don't bother it, and I say

that in sincerity because even though the type of

munitions that were supposedly used on these sites

were practice rounds, that's what we found thus far,

parts of them, and so on and so forth, but we still

have to deal with the issue as though they're live

( ordnance and treat them as dangerous, as though

they're dangerous. The process that we use, if you do

find something, to have them either investigate it or

removed is?

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

To call 911. Call 911 or contact us to go

through the proper channels.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Right, but the Sheriff's Office or the local

county Sheriff's Office are aware of this project and

the process, and what they will do is they will either

send someone out from their office to check it out or

they will contact the appropriate authorities to

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actually go and check these things out.

We have --in talking with a number of you, we

know that you have found parts of shells, grenade

launchers or different types. I don't even know what

they all are at this point in time, but still treat

them as though they're live, please.

But to answer your question, we have found j

evidence of munitions being used in the area, but, jl

like I said, all the evidence that we have found thus

far have predominantly been either pieces of or

practice rounds that are dead with no -- nothing

active about them at all.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

When you find them, do you remove them at that

time or do you leave them where they are?

BY MR. NESBIT:

Give her your name, please.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

Ralph. Ralph'"Teal.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Okay. What happens is this -- and it depends,

okay. If one of our contractors finds it, okay, they

have a specific process that they go through. They

may identify where it is, place a guard on it until

they can either remove it, detonate it after it's

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deemed that it's live, or if it's moveable, they'll

remove it, but they have a specific procedure that

they go through and they'll take care of it on the

site.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

And the other ranges that you've already gone

through, have you created a map like that that shows

where all the hits are?

BY MR. NESBIT:

Yes.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

Do you have it here?

BY MR. NESBIT:

I don't know. Do you have a copy?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

I don't have any of them here with me, but we do

have them.

BY MR. MARK TALBOT:

Where can they be viewed?

BY MR. NESBIT:

They can be made available.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

As of now, you don't have an opportunity to

review' it because the report has not been issued. We

are still in the data collection mode, if you will,

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because the EE/CA process involves five different

ranges. The EE/CA process is not completed until all

five ranges have been investigated to the end. Right

now we're left with four and seven to finish up with.

Once we finish four and seven, then we're prepared to

write the report, which will be submitted to the Corps

of Engineers for review.

BY MR. NESBIT:

And they'll include all the maps.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

But right now, say like in range three, we

couldn't we see where you found ordnance?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

The opportunity you will have for that will be

if we were to have another ̂ public meeting, such as

what we're having right now, to disseminate

information and the results of that effort.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

Do you have the maps at your office?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

That's correct.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

Where is your office?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

In Atlanta, Georgia.

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BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

Atlanta?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, sir.

And a special request, you know, to the Corps of

Engineers, that map can be made available to you if

you make a request, you know, through Huntsville or

the district manager.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Yes, ma'am.


Judy Faircloth. Ola.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am.


Are you telling us there has been stuff removed

from those other areas?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am.


Two, three and twenty.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

On the other ranges that you're talking about,

yes.

And when we say "removed," we mean removed it

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from where they were found and demolition work took

place at the site. We did not take anything away out

of any site. If we find anything within ranges four

or seven, we'll take it if it's moveable and take it

to an area where we can concentrate all the rest of

the ordnance and do demolition work right there. If

it's not moveable, it is the likelihood of it being a

live item and we've got it dangerous to be moved,

because if you move some of these items that are live,

just -- just moving them alone can cause it to go off.


Then are you responsible for removing them if

you determine that it's live and it's there?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

That's correct, ma'am. Under that story, we are

responsible for dealing with those items.

BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN:

Randy Coleman. I'm going to direct mine to

Zapata. Are you all bonded? Do you have general

liability and who is going to be responsible for the

damage done in the event there is damage done?

Number two, we have livestock that cannot be

moved. We've got a mustang from Nevada that we have

promised would not be put in danger, and now if it

would have been found in her pasture, she cannot be

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moved. She can't be trailered, and we're not going to

give you permission to come on back onto the property

until something is decided about our livestock.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

Zapata is insured and bonded. We are not the

removal contractor. My company does not put a shovel

in the dirt. Ola, I'm sure, Parsons has also bonding

insurance, and they subcontract to a contractor that

is specifically an ordnance contractor that will do

the removal efforts.


The damage done by Zapata prior to today --us

talking today, nobody ever covered any damage, and

that's why I'm asking you that.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

Okay. Well, Zapata has not been out on site.

Let me clarify


Well, who was the engineering company that's

been out on my site?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Parsons Engineering scientists, my company, has

been on site with what.we would call the UXO

contractor. The UXO contractor is the contractor that

does the actual digging of the ordnance at the grid.

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The people that put the grids in.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

That's my company. That's Parsons and the UXO

company.


Okay.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, sir.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

Have you provided the claim, because under the

right of entry agreement, you notify either the

contractor or the Corps of Engineers. There's a

provision to report any damage.


The problem is we just --we just revoked the

right of entry due to the fact of two things, like I

said, we didn't know who these people were, number

one; number two, even if they are through Zapata,

you're asking us to leave our property and our

valuables on you all's judgment call on who you're

going to send on our property. I -- I -- I'm not

comfortable with that.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Let me address that, if I might. Okay.

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The Corps of Engineers is responsible -- I say

the Corps of Engineers, the US Government is

responsible for the property that is damaged during

the course of this project that our contractor may or

may not have done. Okay. We will investigate

whatever has happened and work with you to correct the

situation.

On the issue of not being comfortable with the

contractor being let loose on your property to do what

they need to do, the contractor is bonded, and, yes,

we're responsible for what they do. During the course

of the time that they're on your property doing what

they're supposed to be doing, the contractor is also «

responsible, and we are, in turn, to make certain that,

they do what they're supposed to do.

Now, based upon earlier circumstances that

happen, there were some communication problems, and

we've taken all the precautions to ensure that does

not happen again and to ensure that you know exactly

what's going to happen what day on your property by

our contractor. That's why I wanted to be certain

that everyone understood what the process will be.

BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN;

Okay. I understand that.

BY MR. NESBIT:

.

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Okay.


But that still doesn't cover what's going to

happen to my livestock.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Okay. In reference to the livestock, with what

they will be doing, okay, they're not removing

anything in the earlier stages. What they're trying

to do right now is purely to find --to put a grid so

they can run a piece of equipment across the property.


We've got the grids, and they found a hit on our

property.

BY MS. CANDIS COLEMAN:

They've run it already.


They've run it already.


They've run it.


So we're now -- they're removing it or

something.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Well, that won't happen right away.


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When will it happen?

BY MR. NESBIT:

That won't happen until after we put all the

information together and done the total analysis.


Okay. Now, our concern is we have given the

right of entry for three years.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Yes.


You and I have talked about it.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Yes.


We've had -- Candis Coleman.

But our concern is, you know, we've given right

of entry. You're asking for two more years.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Right.


Okay. Now, you have to understand us. We've

had may be a special circumstances.

BY MR. NESBIT:

I understand.


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That you have shown that you weren't to your

word, for lack of a better term, I guess; but I'm not

comfortable giving you another two years so you can

show me or not show me you're going to be right to

your word.

BY MR. RANDY COLEMAN: 1

And let me add also that another two year right

of entry you're telling us you're going to give us --

you're going to give us a call and set it up with us, ;

but if we give you a right of. entry, then for the next

two years, you can show up, they can show up, anybody

can show up at anytime.

BY MR. NESBIT:

No.


That's what the right of entry reads.

BY MS. ESTABROOK:

I give the right of entries, and we used to do

them for one year in these type of situations. You

know, we -- they expired because of funding and the

project didn't continue at one point, and we found

overall in these projects that one year doesn't do it

anymore. I mean, it's -- it prevents us from coming

back to you repeatedly trying to get access to your

property to do what we need to do.

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You know, I may get it and the project is

delayed and we lose six or seven months of it and we

can't do what the intent was under the right of entry

at least until, for me now, for every one I do it is

for two years.

In the instance with you all and for what we're

doing now, we're happy to work with you in any way

that we can to gain access to the property.


You know that we want it -- we want it gone.

You know, we've got a big area. We want it gone. We

haven't -- you know, no matter what we're making that

clear, we don't want it there, but at the same time --

at the same time if we gave you two years and you did

what you all did to the Sams' property, I can't revoke

it, and then you all still have two years to come on

our property, destroy property and do not care. You

know, so -- so if we give you two years, then we're

stuck with you all for two years and you give us back

nothing but destroyed property. Do you understand

what we mean?

BY MS. ESTABROOK:

Now, in most instances we go and do what we need

to and we're off the property, and there's


L

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No. I mean, we have special circumstances.

BY MS. ESTABROOK:

nothing else having them there. So, I know

that you all -- we'll need to talk with you after the

• meeting and try to work something out on those

parcels. The reason, you know, we just like to have

enough time to do what we need to do and additional

years is common. They're a standard now. It's so

that we can have prevent from having to go back

repeatedly, as I said, for not having been able to

accomplish the work needed to do.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Just to add a little bit to that. The field

work that we're talking about should have been

completed within a three month window. The original

schedule that we had for this project was to speed up

this work as much as possible. However, if you'll

remember last year, we started this project last

year, the actual field work around August, September,

we had the hurricane season come through and it really

just tore us up. It really just messed up our

schedule, and we cannot do the type of work that we

had to do in wet weather condition with the area

flooded and everything. So that really messed up our

schedule, and we had to basically call it quits. You

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know, I said, wait a minute, we are not going to be

able to get good data from what we're doing here until

the ground is pretty much dry enough so that we can be

able to get a signal from the equipment that we're

using. So that's one of the delays.

The other thing, I'm sure you all are familiar

with government, that things have to happen when you

get the funding. The funding process goes through its

own cycle. So, you know, you put all that together,

and what they really are saying is that, yes, I would

have asked for three months or six months or whatever

if I knew that they can get the work done within that

time window, factoring some of the other priorities.

It could possibly extend over a longer period of time,

and that's what is happening in this situation.

And just to add to the other issue that you're

talking about, yes, Parsons Engineering is my company.

It's tasks with restoration of each site that we get

on to to do this work that we're doing. That is if we

come out to your property and investigate the area,

say we drove our four-wheel truck in there, you know,

use our equipment over the area, if it is messed up in

any form, you know, or shape, we are supposed to

restore it as close as possible to the original

condition that you have.

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Again, if you had a problem where my contractor

--my subcontractor was out on your property, and we

tore off your ground maybe with a four-wheel truck or

something like that, you have a legitimate reason to

come up and say, yes, we want this area restored to

close as the original and that will be restored to

your liking. And, again, as Ron will tell you, yes,

that's within your rights to be able to come up and

ask for some sort of action in that regard, and we are

coming this time around to address all these issues.

First of all, you mentioned the fact that you

had people on your property that you didn't know who

they were. This time around we're coming on the

properties with some sort of identification. You

know, we will -- I will have the team wearing T-shirts

that will say Parsons Engineering Science or UXO, so

that when you see it, it will definitely have the name

of the project on it, and you will see all the guys

will have something that's more of a uniform apparel

on so that when you see them in your area, you will

know what they're up to.


That's safety for them and us. •

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am.

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You know, when you live -- when you live four

miles down a dirt road, somebody comes up on your

property and I'm by myself, I'm going to protect

myself.


And another thing, let me add, as far as hanging

something on the door, we've got a dog that bites and

we've got another interior dog that bites, so I would

not do that.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

We wouldn't be -- okay.


Put it in the mailbox.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

We'll put it in the mailbox or we'll do it

through the mail.


Yes.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

But that piece of information most definitely

needs to be adhered to.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Let me get these two gentlemen first since

they've been waiting awhile.

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BY MR. LAWTON BENTON: . :

My name is Lawton Benton, and I have two

questions. One is will be there any way you can go

ahead and do a report on the areas that you've already

done and while you're -- rather than wait until you

have it all done at one time?

BY MR. NESBIT:

You can't do it at one time. It has to be a

total process. The project includes all five. You

can't do a segment of it. It has to be one report

that encompasses the whole report on the project.

BY MR. LAWTON BENTON:

That report is going to give a direction on

which way to go. It's not going to give you a clean

bill of health on your property.

BY MR. NESBIT:

What it will do is it will give us, the Corps of

Engineers, the recommendation as to what should or may

be required to fulfill the needs of that property

based upon public use and public safety. Okay.

Now,

BY MR. LAWTON BENTON:

So each one might be different.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Each one may have a different recommendation.

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Judy Faircloth. If your property is not listed

on that list there, does that mean you're not

BY MR. NESBIT:

Affected?


Yes.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

No, ma'am, it does not mean that. What I've

done on that list, that list is basically a list of

all the properties where a grid was placed on.


Okay.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Now, when I talk about the buffer, the exclusion

zone, the range that I drew around each of those

locations, it means that any other homes that falls

within that buffer, we have to make sure that nobody

is in that place of residence when we go to dig to

confirm the condition.


Earlier, maybe two months, we did receive a

notice in the mail that we'd be notified that we would

have to leave our homes for like half a day.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

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Yes, ma'am.


But that's all we ever got was just a little

card in the mail, and we never got anything else.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

And nothing has happened during that period of

time.


Nothing has happened.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

Right.


Now we haven't seen anybody.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

And that's why the meeting, again, tonight.


Oh, okay.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

To get everybody back on line with the schedule.

BY MR. NESBIT:

See, what it is, there was such a span of time

between when they last worked in the area and what we

are now planning to do, I wanted to be certain that

you had the opportunity to know exactly what we've

done in the past, where we are right now and'where

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we're going before we proceeded any further. That was

something of a commitment I made to the folks back in

December, and I wanted to make certain that that

happens and that's the reason for it.

Yes, sir.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

You said you're still working in range three.

When are you going to be finished with that totally?

BY MR. NESBIT:

Well,

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Do you want to follow up on that, because that's

a little bit more involved in terms of what we're

doing there.

BY MR. NESBIT:

But what's going on, we're not dealing with the

entire range three at this point in time. We're

dealing with range three because we have an area

that's really infested with a lot of anomalies and

we're trying to actually identify what they are.

That's in range three area, the area that we're

looking at, is the hub of the target zone. Okay. And

if you remember from the very beginning I mentioned

that some of the information that we gathered from

range three, two and twenty hopefully would be a means

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of trying to help identify what would be in the other

locations as well, and we're trying to follow up on

that as well.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

The time frame to finish range three?

BY MR. NESBIT:

That's difficult to give an answer, but I would

suggest it would probably be, with what we have to do,

December, January.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

I'd say November, late November.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Potentially.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

November you would finish range three, the whole

range? '

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Now when we say finish

BY MR. NESBIT:

No. No. No. No. No. Just what

BY MR. RALPH TEAL: «

Or finished with your sampling. |

BY MR. NESBIT:

Yes.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

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Sampling, yes.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

But the whole range would be done in February --

early November, the whole range?

BY MR. NESBIT:

The sampling, yes.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

The sampling.

Did I get your card, your business card?

BY MR. NESBIT:

I don't have one with me, but we have your name,

and I'll be glad to send you one.

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

Okay.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

I'll make a note, and you're Mr. Teal, correct?

BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

Yeah. Do you have a card?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

I'm sorry, I don't have it either.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

I will have it.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

But, you know, leave your name and address, and

we'll get you one.

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BY MR. RALPH TEAL:

Please.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Yes, ma'am.


One other question. Judy Faircloth. The area

that's gray there, is that all the area that the golf

course is now encompassing?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am. From that map the area that's in

gray, the entire map is indicative of those properties

that we did not have right of entry to when we started

this work a year ago.


Okay. All of the houses that are being built

there now, have those areas been cleared?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

No, ma'am.

BY MR. NESBIT:

No, ma'am, not by us.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

We did go to them, explain to them two years --

two or three years ago about the fact that we're

beginning an EE/CA process that will involve

investigating the entire range, and they chose to not

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have us go out there to do any sampling. They were --

they had already been actively working the area,

moving dirt and building greens and all that, so they

felt confident with what they were doing.


Well, see, we've cleared more than ten acres of

land where we live. Of course, we've been there since

1954.

BY MS. FRANKIE PIERCE:

'54.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Yes, ma'am.


I mean, we found all this stuff you're talking

about, but none of it was ever any real problem. We

used to -- like I said, we played with it when we were^

i children. There's piles of it everywhere we played with it.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Then I would like to talk to you about where

they are so I can let my team know.


I'll have the kids come and show you. I mean,

there's holes over there where

BY MR. NESBIT:

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Oh, yeah, where the craters


Yeah, little craters.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Oh, yes. Yes. Well, we do have --we have an

aerial photograph of all this area back in the '4 0s

and the '50s, and I had one made lately in the '90s so

that we had a comparison of what it was like in the

'40s and what is now, and we can still see some of

those bomb craters, you know, that are there; and so

that's evidence.


Yes.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

That's evidence of that.


Why -- why is it important now and it wasn't

important then? I mean, we never had anybody contact

us. In fact, my dad used to call when we would find

some of that stuff, and it wasn't a big deal. "Just

throw it away when you get through with it."

BY MR. NESBIT:

Well, one of the things since it's become a law

that we -- we, the government


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Clean up your mess.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Go back and clear and do our best to clean sites

that were used for these type activities. It -- the

priority has become more evident, because we are

finding things on these ranges. We are -- and there

are many found from the beginning such as you said,

but the importance in the change of attitude in

Washington and everywhere else, as well as in our

communities, have a different way of thinking about

how we address what we, the government, has done in

the past and how we're going to continue to do in the

future. So they're a lot more environmentally

conscious about what we have done and where we're

going to go. That's the primary reason.

Yes, ma'am.

BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY:

Is all of this come about since they found the

bomb?

BY MR. NESBIT:

The bomb where?


The bomb found on whatever, the bombing range

part of it.

BY MR. NESBIT:

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The one that was found on range three?


Yes.

BY MR. NESBIT:

No, ma'am. This has been going on for awhile.

Now, the -- like Ola mentioned earlier on,


Uh-huh (affirmative response).

BY MR. NESBIT:

When this project actually began -- what?

Three, four years ago?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Three.

BY MR. NESBIT:

That was prior to the location of this bomb.

The bomb that we are talking about -- and when you say

"bomb," I mean it has the connotation of major danger

and so on, and it should, but the bomb wasn't located

or found by -- by the owner until three, four months

ago. It hasn't -- not really that long, but two

months is when the bomb was actually found.


Well, this one that I'm talking about happened

when he was digging some dirt and it was about three

or four years ago, and they dug it up. Ever since,

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there's been --it seems like harassments going on.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Some type of activity?

BY MS. FLQRRIE BELLAMY:

Since you been on the property.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Well, that might have been increased potentially

the awareness that the site needed to have some

priority done to it. Okay. I can't say that it did

or it didn't.


Right.

BY MR. NESBIT:

But potentially it may have had some in the

past, but there are many other sites in the State of

South Carolina that we are looking at, and Conway is

one of two that we have an active project right now to

actually do what we are doing. The .other is Camp

Croft in Spartanburg, and we've been working on that

site for a number of years already.

This is the second one in the State of South

Carolina that we're working on, and one of the

problems, and whether --if you have connections or

whatever with your congressman or whatever, it's a

factor that funding has been a major issue for the

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slowness of how long it's taken really to get from A

to B to C. We're only funded so much money a year,

and you're trying to get as much accomplished within

that period of time. That's one of the reasons --

that's the primary reasons why we lost so much time

when you gave the initial right of entry. This

project is active right now, and I'm doing my best to

keep it active until we're finished, and the only way

I will be able to do that is if I can meet my goals,

and my goal right now is to complete, as far as the

data gathering phase, which is the EE/CA, the early

phase of it, by the end of September. That's my goal,

and your help will help me do that.

Yes, ma'am.


How far have you gotten on the Bombing Range

Road, Willard Road, and what have you

BY MR. NESBIT:

Willard Road?


Yeah, have you contacted them on that?


It's right

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

It's

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On that part of the property.


Right across from area D.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Across from area D.


No, down.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Down here?


On this side.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

On this side.


Willard Road.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Oh, Willard Road. I'm sorry. Are you talking

about this portion of it, ma'am?


Right.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Our investigation does not extend into that

area. The reason why, again, is what I explained

earlier, that

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BY MR. NESBIT:

It's outside the buffer zone.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yeah, our investigation is focused around where

the target zone was back in the '40s and the safety

zone around that target zone.


So therefore it is not going to interfere with

Willard Road?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Up to this portion it does, but up to here, this

is the cutoff right here on Willard Road. If you come

up on Dewit Circle, and then you come on Willard Road,

you know, that will be the last point right there

where -- right, you know, by Sandhill Lane.


Yes.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Right.


And that's what I'm talking about. Have you

been there? < i

BY MR. AWOSIKA: •

In Sandhill, yes, ma'am. I .


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Yes, what did you find there?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

We got a couple of hits in that area. Are you

-- are you from that area, ma'am?


Off of Sandhill Lane. Yes, sir, I am.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Oh, there you go. Because we've been trying to

catch up with folks that live in that area so that we

can work out an arrangement about how we can go back

in there and finish up the investigation that we're

doing.


Right.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

I personally came out there about two months ago

to do a head count on the number of homes that are on

Sandhill Road, you know, and I came up with, I think

based on my estimate here, about eight or ten houses

on Sandhill Road --on Sandhill Road alone.


I don't know about that.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Okay. But -- yeah, one of the things I was

trying to do was to make contact with people living in

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this area so that we can inform you about the

activities that are coming up, how we intend to do the

work, and also to give a feedback from you as to how

we can get on your property to'do the work that we

have to do.

We only have right now two rights of entries on

the parcels of land on Sandhill, and what we're going

to try to do here is that we need to inform --we

don't need to get on the properties of the other

people that are there, but when we are doing our work,

the right of entry, the hits that we have is on the

parcel of land where we have the right of entry.

However, the other homes within the perimeter of

BY MR. NESBIT:

Safety zone.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

the safety zone is where we have to dig, and

we need to talk with the property owners and let them

know that, okay, we're going to be digging at this

location and also they need to be out of their homes

when we're doing the work in that vicinity.


Don't go away with your stick.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am.

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I'm Judy Faircloth. As best I can tell, my

house is right in here somewhere.

BY MS. FRANKIE PRINCE:

Down lower.


Well, no, here's Long Bay Road.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

That's Long Bay Road, yes.

BY MS. JUDY FAIRCLOTH: '

We've got to be in here somewhere, guys.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

You're sure you're not down here somewhere?

BY MR. COLEMAN:

Right on top of the gray area, Judy.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Oh, the gray area.


We can't be way down there, guys. We only live

a half mile from this intersection.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

That's okay. That's all right.


A half a mile.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

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What you're trying to find out is are you in


I want to know if we're in the white area, the

green area, gray area.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

What's your address on that road, ma'am?


It's 3450.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

3450. Sure, you know, Mr. Coleman and his wife,

right, because you weren't familiar with that.


See, they're way down there.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yeah, they're over here.


Four miles to their house.


Judy, I believe you're in the white area.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

There's some homes here, see. These are homes

right here, ma'am.


That's what I thought, but that's

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

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These are homes right here, one, two, three.


Those three little clumps there, those are

probably where we live.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

One, two, three right here, and that's


That's where they live.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

So that's where your house is right here.


You're in the white area.


Okay. So we don't really need to worry at all.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

You don't need to worry at all because actually

I have a location that's close to you.


And you're going to clean ours up.

BY MR. NESBIT:

Yes, sir.

BY MR. TERRY HILL:

That's not really in the target area, but \

general area is also going to be looked at?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

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The portion on Willard Road is.

BY MR. TERRY HILL:

How far?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Up to Sandhill.

BY MR. TERRY HILL:

My name is Terry Hill.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Terry Hill.

BY MR. TERRY HILL:

I stay at 3227 on Willard Road.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Okay. Yeah, if you live anywhere from Dewit

Circle to the section of Sandhill Road from there,

yes. If you live outside that area, then, you know,

you won't be impacted on that road.

BY MR. TERRY HILL:

What's the time frame when you get to that

particular point?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Again, like I said, we will be there every

Thursday is when we'11 be working on ranges four and

seven.

BY MR. TERRY HILL:

About what time frame, say if we give you right

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of entry, what time frame?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

It's going to be the month of August.

BY MR. TERRY HILL:

Okay.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

And it's going to be any time from the morning

until about 5:00 in the evening. Now,

BY MR. TERRY HILL:

8:00 to 5:00.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Now, that does not mean we're going to be on

your property the whole day. It's basically the

number of targets that we have to investigate. It

should not take us much more than two to three hours

at each of these days that we're working.

BY MR. NESBIT:

And hopefully we'll notify you in advance so

you'll know pretty much when it's going to be morning

or evening.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

When we get to Sandhill, we only have -- I only

have a total of -- on the Sandhill property, you know,

I only have a total of three anomalies. They'll be

done with that digging in an hour.

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BY MR. NESBIT:

Yes.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

At the worst case scenario, two hours.


Now, what we'll be.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Pardon me, ma'am?


What did you -- repeat what you said.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

I said we'll be done with our digging in three

hours at the worst case scenario. In three hours

we'll be out of there.


On Sandhill Road?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am.


So on what area -- what number is that?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

The anomaly that I -- the anomalies that I have

to dig is actually on Smith, Michael and Verene

{phonetic spelling} Williams.


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So therefore that's a little further now. It

will be on the big green property.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am.


Just one area off of it?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am.

BY MS. FLORRIE BELLAMY: i

You don't need to be messing with the other

houses there?

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

I don't need to dig at any other houses. The

only thing we need to do with the other

BY MR. NESBIT:

Just in the safety zone.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

residents, with their permission, that

you're in the safety zone. So you can't be there

while we're digging because the whole thing -- the

whole -- the whole idea behind that is before we start

to dig, and we dig a bomb, and God forbid


Yes.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

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the bomb is live and it goes off, and you

live in your house, and we're not digging at your

house, the bomb has the likelihood of being able to go

back to houses, as well. So for the safety everybody

within 2 75 foot buffer around that location.


So, therefore, I don't have to worry about it.

BY MR. NESBIT:

At this stage.


At this stage. I'm right at it.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am, and we'll come in there, you know.

BY MR. NESBIT:

What I'm going to do is I'm going to let Suzy

sort of give a roundup on how we put the information

out in terms of notification for the meetings and so

on.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

For anymore meetings we have established a

mailing list. We'll get a flier, and hopefully that

told you about the first meeting this evening. We

also advertise in an advertisement through the four

local newspapers. We do not have a website

established yet for notification over the internet,

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but once'that's established, that will also be another

opportunity. So that's how we notify you about the

upcoming meetings.

BY MR. NESBIT:

That's one of the reasons for you to sign in

your name so we can get your name and address so we

can actually send that to you.


Back to the question I asked earlier, so

therefore this meeting engineered is different from

the wetland meeting engineering?

BY MR. NESBIT:

Yes, ma'am. '

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

Yes, ma'am. It's a totally separate meeting.


It's totally separate?

BY MR. NESBIT:

It's totally separate.


Okay.

BY MR. NESBIT:

That's why I asked you the question when you

said what you did.


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So therefore I need to

BY MR. NESBIT:

It sounded like a wetland problem.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

As a matter of fact, this job that we're doing

here.


That's all I wanted to know.

BY MR. AWOSIKA:

We cannot even dig in the wetland. So this is

what is standing in the way on this one.


That's what I wanted to know. So that ends the

meeting?

BY MR. NESBIT:

Unless there are some other questions or

comments.

(NO RESPONSE)

BY MR. NESBIT:

Okay. Well, thank you very much for coming.

There are a lot of folks that left, but I think it has

been very informative event meeting tonight.


If there's something going on in my area, I sure

do want to know what it is.

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BY MS. NESBIT:

Ma'am, believe me, you need to be here.

BY MS. MCKINNEY:

You have the toll free number. Feel free, if

you haven't heard anything in awhile, give us a call

and we'll update you on any information.

(MEETING CONCLUDED AT 8:10 P.M.)

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