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From Recession to Recovery Monday, April 26, 2010 8:00 AM 9:15 AM 8:00 AM - 9:15 AM Moderator Michael Klowden, President and CEO, Milken Institute Speakers Mohamed El-Erian, CEO and Co-Chief Investment Officer, Pacific Investment M tC (PIMCO) 1 Management Co. (PIMCO) Steve Forbes, Chairman and CEO, Forbes Media; Editor-in-Chief, Forbes Kenneth Griffin, Founder, President and CEO, Citadel Investment Group LLC Marc Lasry, Chairman and CEO, Avenue Capital Group

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Page 1: From Recession to Recovery - Milken Institute...1930s 1940s 1950s 1960s 1970s 1980s 1990s 2000s Source: ... Involuntary part-time or underemployed hits the highest level in 50 years

From Recession to RecoveryMonday, April 26, 2010

8:00 AM 9:15 AM8:00 AM - 9:15 AM

ModeratorMichael Klowden, President and CEO, Milken Institute

SpeakersMohamed El-Erian, CEO and Co-Chief Investment Officer, Pacific Investment

M t C (PIMCO)

1

Management Co. (PIMCO) Steve Forbes, Chairman and CEO, Forbes Media; Editor-in-Chief, Forbes

Kenneth Griffin, Founder, President and CEO, Citadel Investment Group LLCMarc Lasry, Chairman and CEO, Avenue Capital Group

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A lost decadeThe U.S. economy had its worst decade since the 1930s

7Real GDP growth (%)

6.0%

4.2% 4.4%

3.3% 3.1% 3.2%

1.9%2

3

4

5

6

2

1.3%

0

1

2

1930s 1940s 1950s 1960s 1970s 1980s 1990s 2000sSource: The U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.

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8.2 million total job losses

Average monthly change in employmentThousands of nonfarm workers

-31-191

-334-477

-261

-90

54

600

-400

-200

0

200

4008.2 million workers lost their jobs

December 2007- March 2010

3Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

-652-753

477

-1000

-800

-600

Q1: 2006 2007 2008 2009 Q1: 2010

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Americans’ net worth is down by 12 trillion from its 2007 peak

70US$ trillions Household's net worth Pre-recession peak:

$65.9 trillion

30

40

50

60

Fourth quarter, 2009$54.2 trillion

4

Source: Federal Reserve.

20

30

Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4

2007 2008 2009

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Deep recession, strong recovery?

Average real GDP growth rates (%) in the four quartersfollowing each recession

2.6%

7.8%

6.2%

10.9%

1990-1991

1981-1982

1973-1975

1929-1933

following each recessionPeriods of Recession

Real GDP grew10.9% in 1934, the year after the Great

5

Sources: U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis; the Milken Institute.

1.9%

0 2 4 6 8 10 12

2007-20XX

2001year after the Great Depression ended.

?

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Large reductions in the world real GDP growth

10Real GDP (% change, year-to-year)

Emerging andProjected

-2

0

2

4

6

8 World

Advanced economies

Emerging and developing economies

6

-6

-4

1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 2010

economies

2014

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World stock market capitalization still 23% below its peak level (as of April 20, 2010)

70US$ trillions

30

40

50

60 Highest point: $62.6 trillion on October 31, 2007

$48 trillion as of April 20, 2010

Lowest point: $25.6 trillion

7Source: Bloomberg.

10

20

2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010

on March 9, 2009

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Forecasts of positive real GDP growth rates

Real GDP growth (%) (Quarterly percentage change, seasonally adjusted at an annual rate)

2.1

-0.7

1.5

-2.7-0.7

2.2

5.9

3.0 3.0 2.8 2.9 2.9 3.0 3.2 3.9

6-4-202468

( yp g g y j )

Composite forecasts

8

Note: Composite forecasts are average forecasts of 27 private organizations. Sources: U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis; Bloomberg.

-5.4-6.4

-10-8-6

Q4 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Q1 Q2 Q3 Q42007 2008 2009 2010 2011

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Decline in initial claims for unemployment insurance

700Thousands

6.6 million people receiving jobless b fit f J 2009

400

500

600 4.56 million(as of March 31, 2010)

benefits as of June, 2009

9Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

200

300

1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 2010

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Retail sales climbed in MarchA sign showing American consumers were beginning to spend more

400US$ billions Monthly total retail sales, seasonally adjusted

300

350

+1.6% in March

10Source: U.S. Department of Commerce.

2502000 2002 2004 2006 2008 2010

Shade area indicates recession

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Turnaround stock markets

300015,000

Nasdaq9001,800

1500

2000

2500

7,500

10,000

12,500

Nasdaq (right scale)

D J400

500

600

700

800

800

1,000

1,200

1,400

1,600 Russell 2000 (right scale)

S&P 500(left scale)

11Source: DataStream.

500

1000

5,000

,

2002 2004 2006 2008 2010

Dow Jones(left scale)

200

300

400

600

2002 2004 2006 2008 2010

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Narrowing risk spread Indicative of the reduced stress in the debt markets

5Percentage points

Oct 10, 2008

2

3

4 TED spread

BAA-AAA spread

12

Note: The TED spread is the difference between 3-month LIBOR rates and the yield on 3-month U.S. Treasury bills.The BAA-AAA spread is the difference between the interest rates on high-grade and medium-grade corporate bonds.

Sources: Bloomberg, Federal Reserve.

0

1

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Unemployment rate near the highest level since Great Depression

12 Unemployment rate: 9.7%%

Unemployment rate: 10.8%

4

6

8

10

Unemployment rate: 9.7% in March, 2010

during the 1981-1982 recession

13Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

0

2

1950 1955 1960 1965 1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 2010

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Involuntary part-time or underemployed hits the highest level in 50 years

7 000

Thousands Part-time employment for economic reasons

2 000

3,000

4,000

5,000

6,000

7,000

Part-time due to slack work or business conditions

14Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

0

1,000

2,000

1955 1960 1965 1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005

Could only find part-time work

2010

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One in four black, Hispanic workers is underemployed

26Underemployment rates by race(%)

Hispanic or Latino 23.2%

1012141618202224

White 13.7%

African American 23.1%

15

468

10

Dec-07 Apr-08 Aug-08 Dec-08 Apr-09 Aug-09 Nov-09

Note: the shown underemployment data are from November, 2009. Underemployed includes the unemployed, involuntary part-time, and discouraged workers.Source: The Economic Policy Institute.

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8.5Percent

Job creation still a problemRate of job creation and destruction

8.0

7.5

7.0

6.5

6 0

Job destruction

20092008200720062005200420032002200120001999

6.0

5.5

5.0

Sources: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Moody’s Economy.com

Job creation

16

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Small businesses account for nearly half the decline in job creation

Change between 2007 and Q1 2009

Total change in job

0-100 employees48.5%

>1000 employees27.1%

Total change in job creation = -1,648 ths.

100-1000 employees24.5%

Sources: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Moody’s Economy.com

17

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60 percent of current decline in job creation stems from small businesses versus 26 percent in previous recession

60Percent

Job creation with <100 employees

50

40

30

20

Job creation with <100 employeesJob destruction with <100 employees

Sources: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Moody’s Economy.com

Q1 2008- Q2 2009Q1 2001- Q2 2002

10

0

18

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Nearly 1 in 4 homeowners underwater

70States with negative equity share > 20%

as of Q4: 2009

% negative equity

23% 24%

0102030405060

Q

Q3, 2009

Q4, 2009

19

0

Note: The data only include properties with a mortgage.Source: First American CoreLogic .

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Banks are still pulling back on lendingNo bank lending, no recovery

US$ trillionsLending by the U.S. commercial banks

fell by 7 5% in 2009

7

8$ fell by 7.5% in 2009

20Note: The data are loan balances (net loans and leases ) of all U.S. commercial banks.Source: Quarterly Banking Profile, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.

6Q1, 2008 Q2, 2008 Q3, 2008 Q4, 2008 Q1, 2009 Q2, 2009 Q3, 2009 Q4, 2009

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Households are deleveraging U.S. households need to reduce their debt to more manageable level

U.S. household debt (% of disposable personal income)

50

100

150

Economists see 100% as a sustainable level

Total household debt stood at 123% as of the end of 2009

21Source: Federal Reserve.

01950 1955 1960 1965 1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 2009

123% as of the end of 2009

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Upward trend of U.S. saving rate

14U.S. personal saving rate (% of disposable personal income)%

4

6

8

10

12

14

The saving rate has started to increase following a decades-

long decline.

22

0

2

Q1 1960 Q1 1970 Q1 1980 Q1 1990 Q1 2000 Q4 2009Source: U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.

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Consumer borrowing still declined

8

% change of total consumer credit from a previous year, seasonally adjusted%

8-6-4-202468 +5.2% in

January

-5.6% in

23Source: Federal Reserve.

-14-12-10-8

Jan-08 Jul-08 Jan-09 Jul-09 Feb-10

5.6% in February

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Growing personal bankruptcy filingsThe total number of bankruptcy filings = 1.47 million in 2009

800

Thousands The number of quarterly bankruptcy filings in the federal courts

200

400

600

800

Business bankruptcy filingsPersonal bankruptcy filingsTotal

24

Source: Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts.

0

200

Q1 1995 Q1 1997 Q1 1999 Q1 2001 Q1 2003 Q1 2005 Q1 2007 Q1 2009

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Global economic forecastsEmerging market economies will lead the world growth

8 08.59

% Real GDP growth forecasts by key countries/regions (average 2010-2014)

1 42.1

3.94.6 4.8 4.9

8.0

2345678

(average 2010 2014)

25Source: Economist Intelligence Unit.

1.4 1.1

012

Western Europe

Japan United States

Latin America

MENA Brazil Asia India China

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The U.S. dollar

0 9120

Trade weight exchange index (January 1997 = 100) Euro/US$

0 6

0.7

0.8

0.9

100

105

110

115

120Euro/US$ (right axis)

26Source: Federal Reserve.

0.5

0.6

90

95

2006 2007 2008 2009 2010

Trade weighted (left axis)

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U.S. current account deficit

50US$ billions U.S. current account, seasonally adjusted

-150

-100

-50

0

27

-250

-200

1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 2009Source: The U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.

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Parallel relationship between stock marketperformance and the unemployment rate

12

14000

16000 Dow Jones hits 11,000; unemployment rate nears 10%U l t t (%)

4

6

8

10

4000

6000

8000

10000

12000

14000 p yUnemployment rate (%)(right- axis)

Dow Jones (left- axis)

28Sources: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics; DataStream.

0

2

0

2000

1982 1984 1986 1988 1990 1992 1994 1996 1998 2000 2002 2004 2006 2008 2010

(left- axis)

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U.S. fiscal position is in a free fall

400Federal surplus [+] or deficit [-], fiscal yearUS$ billions

-1,000-800-600-400-200

0200

29Source: The Office of Management and Budget, White House.

-1,600-1,400-1,200

,

1910 1920 1930 1940 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2010

Shade area indicates recession

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President Obama's budget will generate nearly $10 trillion in budget deficits over the next 10 yearsFederal Budget (US$ billions)

US$9.761 trillion total deficit from 2011 to 2020

-1,000

-800-600-400-200

0( $ )

30Source: Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

-1,600-1,400-1,200

2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020

Actual CBO's estimate of federal budget for fiscal year 2011

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National debt will reach 90% of GDP in the next decade

100% of GDP Federal debt held by public

30405060708090

201063% of GDP, or$9.2 trillion

202090% of GDP, or$20.3 trillion

31Source: Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

01020

1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005 2010 2015 2020

CBO's estimate

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Change in the world economic power China and India are larger in the world economy

Real GDP (PPP dollars), share of world total20091991

United States20%

China12%

Rest of the world

47%

2009United States22%

China4%

Japan

Rest of the world

48%

1991

32Sources: International Monetary Fund, The Milken Institute.

Japan6%

India5%Germany

4%

U.K.3%

France3%

Japan9%

India3%

Germany6%

U.K.4%

France4%

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Kenneth Griffin’s Slides

33

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Residential real estate loan delinquency rate

34

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Personal transfer payments

35

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Household’s net worth (as a % of disposable personal income)

36

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Unemployment and underemployment

37

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Continuing claims and insured unemployment

38

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Federal outlays: interest

39

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Entitlements and interest

40

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Federal on-budget surplus/deficit [-]

41

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Share of individual income tax liabilities:top 10 percent

42

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Share of income: highest 5 percent of families

43

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Share of individual income tax liabilities:middle income quintile

44

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Median income of households

45

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Establishment survey of employment

46

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Wage and salary disbursements

47

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Nonfarm business productivity: Output per person

48

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Nonfarm business: output per person

49

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Consumer loans:credit cards and other revolving plans

50

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ICSC-Goldman Sachs weekly retail chain store sales

51

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Home equity withdrawal: mortgages less residential construction

52

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When will Americans’ total net worth return to the peak it saw in the middle of 2007? Your choices are:peak it saw in the middle of 2007? Your choices are:

A. By the end of 2010B. First 2011C Second Half 2011C. Second Half 2011D. 2012E. 2013 or Later

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In the 79 years from 1930 to 2008, how many years did the U S Government have a budget surplus?did the U.S. Government have a budget surplus?

A. 2B. 9C. 13C. 13D. 22E. 36

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