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Page 1: Hepmark project Evaluation of HEP worker nodes Michele Michelotto at pd.infn.it

Hepmark project

Evaluation of HEP worker nodes

Michele Michelotto at pd.infn.it

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CdS - Luglio 2008 michele michelotto - INFN PD 2

Computing model

Tier3physics

department

Desktop

Germany

Tier-1 UK

France

Italy

CERNTier 1

JapanCERN Tier 0

Tier-2

Lab a

Uni a

Lab c

Uni n

Lab m

Lab b

Uni bUni y

Uni x

grid fo

r a

regio

nal gro

up

USABNL

USAFNAL

grid for a physicsstudy group

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Computing Needs• Tape Storage:

– Very Easy: events Terabyte

• Disk Storage– Easy again: events Terabyte– (1000x1000 or 1024x1024?)– RAID protected or raw size?

• Computing Power– Tricky: Event/sec? Sim or Reco?– MIPS, CernUnit, MHz, Spec, SI2K….

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T1 + T2 cpu budget - LHC

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FZK Measurement• In 2001 SPEC with gcc was 80% of the average

pubblished data• In 2006 the gap was much wider

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The SI2K inflaction• The main problems with SI2000 in our

community: it is not proportional to HEP codes performance (as it was)

• You can buy processors with huge SI2K number but with a smaller increase in real performances

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Nominal SI vs real SI• SI2K results for the last generation processor

affected by inflation

• So CERN (and FZK) started to use a new currency: SI2K measured with “gcc”, the gnu C compiler and using two flavour of optimization– High tuning: gcc –O3 –funroll-loops–

march=$ARCH– Low tuning: gcc –O2 –fPIC –pthread

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Nominal SI vs real SI

• CERN Proposal: Use as site rating the “Real SI” obtained by SI measured with gcc-low and increased by 50%– Actually this make sense only for a short period

of time and for the last generation of processor

• Run n copies in parallel– Where n is the number of cores in the worker

node– To take in account the drop in performance of a

multicore machine when fully loaded.

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Too many SI2K• Take as an example a worker node with two

Intel Woodcrest dual core 5160 at 3.06 GHz

• SI2K nominal: 2929 – 3089 (min – max)

• SI2K sum on 4 cores: 11716 - 12536

• SI2K gcc-low: 5523

• SI2K gcc-high: 7034

• SI2K gcc-low + 50%: 8284

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Which is the better?• I started to measure performances of HEP

codes on several machines

• The goal was to find a “commercial mantained” benchmark to replace SI2K

• I compared HEP code with– SI2K pubblished results– SI2K measured with gcc and “CERN” tuning– SI2006 and SI2006 rate pubblished results– SI2006 and SI2006 with gcc4 (32 and 64 bit)

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CMS sw SIM and Pythia• CMS Montecarlo simulation

(32bit) and Pythia (64bit) show the same performance once normalized

• Both Specint 2006 pubblished and Specint 2006 with gcc show the same behaviour

• SI2K pubbished does not match HEP sw

• SI2K cern better but not as good as SI2006

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Babar TierA ResultsBabar Stroili

0.0% 50.0% 100.0% 150.0% 200.0%

SI2K

SI2KCERN

SI2006

SI2006gcc

BABAR

ben

chm

ark

ratio

Opteron 2218

Opteron 275

Opteron 265

Xeon 5355

Xeon 5345

Xeon 5160

Xeon 2.8

Xeon 2.4

PIII 1.26

• If you normalize by core and clock all new processors have the same performance

• Doubling the older generation cpu

• SI2006 matches this pattern (pubblished and gcc ratio constant)

• SI2000-cern better than SI2K nominal

• SI2000 clearly doesn’t work

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Many gaps• Easy to find SPEC pubblished result

– But only for new machines

• Difficult to measure:– Not easy to have machine on loan from Server

reseller or producer– Not easy to borrow machine from colleagues– Always for short periods of time– A SPEC run can last 15-20 hours

• Need a set of dedicated worker node to make SPEC and HEP application measurement

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Cache• In the 80’s the latency (3-10 clock time)

• Now latency is 1000s of clock time

• Importance of the cache architecture– 1st level, 2nd level, 3rd level– Cache latency– Cache bandwidth– Shared or exclusive?

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4 core processor

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Intel 54xx

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AMD 4core

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Load transactional

Performance don’t drop in the new 4core processor

Clovertown drop wrt Harpwertown

A dual core processor keeps only up to Load3

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Perf/watt• AMD

Barcelona at 65nm Performance per watt similar to INTEL xeon at 45nm

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Cache behaviour• 54xx has lower latency even with bigger cache• The 3 processors behave very differently in the 4MB e 64MB

range• If your (HEP) application works in this range you will see a

big change of performance changing processor

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Memory intel vs amd• Access time very similar• At 1GB (tipical footprint of HEP application) the new AMD

behave better• But the new are Xeon 54xx much better than the 53xx

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Mem intel vs amd• Who is faster?• It depends on

the block size• On the red

zones Intel is better.

• On the green zone AMD is better

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Cache behaviour• We need to study the behaviour of tipical

HEP application– Simulation, event generation, Reconstruction,

Analysis– To understand how to write more efficient

application

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Power issues• Power

consumption change from one processor to another– Clock, High-K

dielectric, Active Power Managements, Clock throttling

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Power consumption

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An HEP data center• Need to make measurement of Power usage for

HEP application• Example: a big Tier2 with 500 boxes needs 100kW

– Like the whole CED of INFN Padova– About 800 MWh in one year– Energy cost 0.12 Euro per kWh Energy bills of 100

kEuro/year– A 10% improvement on Power efficiency means 10

kEuro/year savings– And savings on the infrastructure (power distribution,

UPS, Cooling)

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Power meter• Need a device to measure Voltage and Current• And logging capabilities• E.g. Fluke 1735

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Financial request• Need to buy a new worker node each time a new

processor is released in the dual proc market segment– Only if significantly new features are presents– One or two each for INTEL and AMD per year– 4 kEuro each (dual proc, 2GB/core, 1disk)– 2 box to start with

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Manpower• Padova:

– Michele Michelotto (Primo Tecnologo) 70%– Alberto Crescente (CTER) 30%– Roberto Ferrari (CTER) 30%

• Ferrara:– Alberto Gianoli (Primo Tecnologo): 20%

• Bologna:– Franco Brasolin (CTER): 20%

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Milestone• 2009

– Undestand SPEC 2006. Propose a new benchmark to replace SI2K

– Measure the performance of the current architectures for Montecarlo SIM (evt/sec vs SPEC)

• 2009/2010 – Power performances

• 2010 – Cache profiling

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Question?

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Backup slides• Backup Slides

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SI2K frozen• SI2K is the benchmark used up to now to

measure the computing power of all the HEP experiments– Computing power requested by experiment– Computing power provided by a Tier-[0,1,2]

• SI2K is the nickname for SPEC CPU Int 2000 benchmark– Came after Spec89, Spec Int 92 and Spec Int 95– Declared obsolete by SPEC in 2006– Replaced by SPEC with CPU Int 2006

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Transition problem• Impossible to find SPEC Int 2000

pubblished results for the new processors (e.g. the not so new Clovertown 4-core)

• Impossible to find pubblished SPEC Int 2006 for old processor (before 2006)– E.g. Old P4 Xeon, P4, AMD 2xx

• You can’t convert from SI2000 to SI2006 but the ratio for x86 architecture is in the 137 – 172 range

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Even more• Actually all the gcc results in the previous slide are

on i386 (32bit)• if you would like to know how your code is running

on 64 bit machine, you can measure Specint INT 2000 with gcc on x86_64.

• So the worker node with two Intel Woodcrest dual core 5160 at 3.06 GHz

• SI2K nominal: 2929 – 3089 (min – max)• SI2K on 4 cores: 11716 - 12536• SI2K gcc-low: 6021• SI2K gcc-high: 6409• SI2K gcc-low + 50%: 9031

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Atlas• Here 100% is Xeon5160

• Few results for SI2006+gcc but no diff from CMS and babar

• Few results also from SI2006 pubblished because of several old architectures

• SI2K+gcc not bad

• SI2K pubblished heavily overstimate new Xeon

• Atlas simulation normalized performs the same on the new intel “core” or amd “opteron” (like CMS, Babar)