how can a good god allow suffering (2014 11-23)
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Session 3 of the Life's Big Questions series at Above Bar Church, Southampton (www.abovebarchurch.org.uk).TRANSCRIPT
How can a good God allow suffering?
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The problem
• A good, all-powerful God would not want people to suffer and would be able to prevent them from suffering.
• Suffering exists.
• Therefore, God lacks either goodness or power, or both – the good, all-powerful God of the Bible does not exist.
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As for those who believe in an all-good, all-powerful agent-God, we've seen that they face a question that remains pressing after all these centuries, and which is now horribly underscored by the horrors in Haiti. If a deity exists, why didn't he prevent this?
David Bain, BBC News Magazine
Suffering only makes any sense within a Christian
framework
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There will be no major solution to the suffering of mankind until we reach some understanding of who we are, what the purpose of creation was, what happens after death . . . Until these questions are resolved we are caught.
Woody Allen
Naturalistic perspectives
suffering / evil = meaningless
Monistic perspectives
bad karma
illusion
Christian perspectives
Suffering is a consequence
of human freedom
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‘Thoroughly good people aren't robots, so why couldn't God have created only people like them, people who quite freely live good lives?’
David Bain, BBC News Magazine
free will ⇒ do good or evil
all suffering results from the Fall
some actions cause suffering
some actions compound suffering
But couldn’t God prevent suffering?
over-riding free will
destroying evil
God may have good reasons
to allow suffering
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who knows what will be good in the long run?
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As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55.9
suffering = context for the highest human values
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The God of the Bible is not compelled to answer questions. He loves us, yes, but with a white hot intensity, with the hot breath of a lion. Like Aslan of Narnia, He is not a tame lion. His love may be the most dangerous thing about Him, because He swears to love us literally to the death of ourselves.
Faith Hopler, Relevant magazine
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Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to the children of men.
Lamentations 3.31–33
God works through suffering
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God whispers in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience but shouts in our pain. It is his megaphone in a deaf world.
C.S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain
ultimate purpose of life
not to be happy
to know God
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What do people mean when they say, ‘I am not afraid of God because I know that he is good?’ Have they never been to a dentist?
C.S. Lewis, A Grief Observed
God suffers too
crucifixion ⇒ there are bigger
things than suffering
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‘There cannot be a God of love,’ men say, ‘because if there was, and he looked down upon the world his heart would break.’ The church points to the cross and says, ‘It did break.’ . . .
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‘It is God who made the world;’ men say, ‘it is he who should bear the load.’ The church points to the cross and says, ‘He did bear it.’
William Temple
God will eventually end suffering
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I have nothing to say that makes sense of this horror – all I know is that the message of the death and resurrection of Jesus is that he is with us. John Sentamu, Today Programme
resurrection ⇒ God will deal
with suffering evil
new heavens & new earth