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Page 1: How Can MRI Help the Clinician - Paris Nash · How Can MRI Help the Clinician Claude B. Sirlin, M.D. Department of Radiology csirlin@UCSD.edu

How Can MRI Help the Clinician

Claude B. Sirlin, M.D. Department of Radiology [email protected]

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Industry grant support

Siemens, GE, Guerbet

Consulting, service, or CDA agreements

Alexion, AstraZeneca, Bioclinica, BMS, Fibrogen, Galmed, Genzyme, Gilead, Fibrogen, Icon, Intercept, Isis, Janssen, NuSirt, Perspectum, Pfizer, Profil, Sanofi, Shire, Synageva, Tobira, Takeda, Virtual Scopics

Federal grant support

U01 DK061734, R01 DK106419, R01 DK088925, T32 EB005970, R01 DK088831

Disclosures

Acknowledgements

Slides provided by Perspectum

Page 3: How Can MRI Help the Clinician - Paris Nash · How Can MRI Help the Clinician Claude B. Sirlin, M.D. Department of Radiology csirlin@UCSD.edu

What Should I Talk About? • Liver fat?

• Liver stiffness?

• Liver inflammation?

• Body composition?

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What Should I Talk About? • Liver fat?

• Liver stiffness?

• Liver inflammation

• Body composition

• Quantitative liver function

• Mitochondrial integrity

• Oxidative stress

• Clearance functions

• Macrophage activation

• Pancreatic beta cell mass

“That’s boring”

“Talk about this”

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Goals

What can MRI do to help the clinician

• Now

• In 5-10 years

• Pie in the Sky

• “Never”

Bridging the chasm between what is possible and what is wanted: some suggestions

Focus on NAFLD/NASH diagnosis, prognosis, monitoring

HCC screening and diagnosis not discussed

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Essential MRI Features

• Quantitative

• Accurate

• Repeatable

• Reproducible

• Robust

• Practical

• Tolerable

• Affordable

• Meaningful

• Profitable

• Available

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Available & Reproducible

1.5T

3T

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Now 8

0

kPa

3.23 kPa

50

0

%

PDFF 25.0%

LIF

LIF 2.7

350

0

s-1

R2* 40 -320 s-1

Next 5-10 Years

VAT 1.8 L SCAT 4.2 L MV 22 L

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Now 8

0

kPa

3.23 kPa

50

0

%

PDFF 25.0%

LIF

LIF 2.7

350

0

s-1

R2* 40 -320 s-1

Next 5-10 Years

VAT 1.8 L SCAT 4.2 L MV 22 L

One-stop shopping

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Now 8

0

kPa

3.23 kPa

50

0

%

PDFF 25.0%

LIF

LIF 2.7

350

0

s-1

R2* 40 -320 s-1

Next 5-10 Years

VAT 1.8 L SCAT 4.2 L MV 22 L

We See All Cells We See No Individual

Cells

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• Refinement

• Confounder correction

• Validation

• Standardization across manufacturers

• Abbreviation

• Increasing clinical use

• Automation

• Efficiency

• Registration

• Quantitative reporting

• Big data

Now Next 5-10 Years 8

0

kPa

3.23 kPa

50

0

%

PDFF 25.0%

LIF

LIF 2.7

350

0

s-1

R2* 40 -320 s-1

VAT 1.8 L SCAT 4.2 L MV 22 L

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• Macromolecule content

• Triglyceride composition

• Perfusion

• Oxygenation

• Temperature

Pie in the Sky Pie in the Sky “Never”

• Collagen content

• Fibrogenesis, fibrolysis

• Stellate cell activation

• Mitochondrial integrity

• Oxidative stress

• Immune activation

• Pancreatic beta cell mass

Targeted contrast agents not necessary

Targeted contrast agents necessary

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1992 Gadoteridol

Gd-HP-D03A ProHance® 1993

Gadodiamide Gd-DTPA-BMA

Omniscan®

1999 Gadoversetamide

Gd-DTPA-BMEA OptiMARK® 2004

Gadobenate Gd-BOPTA

MultiHance®

2010 Gadofosveset

Gd-MS-325 Ablavar®

1988 Gadopentetate

Gd-DTPA Magnevist®

2011 Gadobutrol Gd-D03A-butrol

Gadavist® 2013 Gadoterate

Gd-DOTA Dotarem®

1996 Ferumoxides

SPIO Feridex®

1997 Mangafodipir

Mn-DPDP Teslascan®

2008 Gadoxetate

Gd-EOB-DTPA Primovist®

Eovist®

11 MRI Contrast Agents Approved for Use in U.S.A.

General-use agents

Specific-use agents

2008 Gadoxetate

Gd-EOB-DTPA Primovist®

Eovist®

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2008 Gadoxetate

Gd-EOB-DTPA Primovist®

Eovist®

2008 Gadoxetate

Gd-EOB-DTPA Primovist®

Eovist®

1992 First publication on gadoxetate

One Specific MRI Contrast Agent In Use in U.S.A. 16 years, ~ US$ 200 million

Dose of Gx = US$ 135 Individual patients: ≤ 4 doses/year

Profit threshold ~ 1.5 million doses worldwide/year

Leading general-use MRI agent ~ 10 million doses/year

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All Radiology Contrast Agents – Global Sales

Contrast agents

1%

Therepeutic drugs 99%

Sales (worldwide)

Specific contrast

agents probably <0.1%

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Contrast Agent Development: A Tradeoff

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The Chasm

• PDFF

• Stiffness, other mech. properties

• R2, R2*

• Iron-corrected T1

• Body composition

• Blood flow

• Advanced diffusion

• Quantitative OATP/MRP function

• Macromolecule content

• Triglyceride composition

• Perfusion, oxygenation, temperature

• Collagen content

• Fibrogenesis

• Fibrolysis

• Stellate cell activation

• Mitochondrial integrity

• Oxidative stress

• Immune activation

• Pancreatic beta cell mass

What is Possible (Now or Eventually) What is Wanted

http://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/130/a/6/Chasm_by_korbox.jpg

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Bridging the Chasm

http://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/6/005/02c127/30c7db0.jpg

• Paradigm shift

• Multidisciplinary imaging biomarker consortium

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Current Paradigm

50

0

%

PDFF 25.0%

Chemical Shift MRI

8

0

kPa

Shear stiffness 3.23 kPa

MRE

LIF

Liver Inflammation and Fibrosis Score 2.7

Liver MultiScan

Steatosis Fibrosis

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Steatohepatitis_high_mag.jpg

Inflammation and Fibrosis

PDFF Shear stiffness Corrected T1

•MRI measurements no intrinsic meaning

•Must be translated into a histology score

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New Paradigm

50

0

%

PDFF 25.0%

Chemical Shift MRI

8

0

kPa

Shear stiffness 3.23 kPa

MRE

LIF

Liver Inflammation and Fibrosis Score 2.7

Liver MultiScan

[Triglyceride] within

MRI visible protons

PDFF Shear stiffness Corrected T1

Elastic and viscous components of shear stiffness

Water content within

MRI visible protons

Outcomes

•MRI measurements acquire intrinsic meaning

•Do not have to be translated into a histology score

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Multi-Disciplinary Imaging Biomarker Consortium

• Academia, industry, agencies

• Hepatology, pathology, radiology, molecular biology, physics, computer science and engineering

• Understand needs, capabilities, challenges, limitations

• Important but realistic goals

• Methods that don’t require specific contrast agents

• Identify suitable targets to develop specific agents with potentially sustainable economic markets

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Never Say Never Charles Holland Duell Commissioner of the United States Patent and Trademark Office 1898 -1901

Apocryphal quote: “Everything that can be invented has been invented."

Actual quote: “All previous advances in the various lines of invention will appear totally insignificant when compared with those which the present century will witness. I almost wish that I might live my life over again to see the wonders which are at the threshold."