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INVESTOR PRESENTATION

BABCOCK & BROWN SUBORDINATED NOTES

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1. BBSN Offer Summary

– Information about Babcock & Brown

– Use of proceeds

– Financial Information

– Key Terms

– Bookbuild and Timing

Agenda

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BBSN Offer Summary

Security: Unsecured, subordinated, cumulative, resettable notes

Issuer: Babcock & Brown Limited (BNB)

Guarantee: Guaranteed on a subordinated basis by Babcock & Brown International Pty Limited(BBIPL)

Issue amount: A$250 million with the ability to accept oversubscriptions for up to $50 million

Interest: Gross pay, floating rate and semi-annually until the first Reset Date

First reset date: 15 November 2010

Maturity date: 15 November 2015

Ordinary shareholders

BBIPL

Operating companies

Gross offer proceeds

BBSN

US Executive Stakeholders

29% ownership

71% ownershipNet offer proceeds

(BBIPL Loan)

BBSN Holders Babcock & Brown Limited

100% ownershipOrdinary

shareholders

BBIPL

Operating companies

Gross offer proceeds

BBSN

US Executive Stakeholders

29% ownership

71% ownershipNet offer proceeds

(BBIPL Loan)

BBSN Holders Babcock & Brown Limited

100% ownership

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Agenda



– Use of proceeds


– Key Terms


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Background of Babcock and Brown

• Listed on ASX October 2004. Equity capitalisation of $5.81 billion

1. Shares in Babcock & Brown and shares held in BBIPL (other than by Babcock & Brown) have materially equivalent rights and henceare aggregated for the purposes of the Group equity capitalisation figure.

Aircraft operating leasing business

established (BBAM) (JV with Nomura)

1989

First Real Estate principal investmentsin AustraliaEarly 90's

PrimeInfrastructurefloated on ASX2002

Babcock & Brown formed in San Francisco1977

Sydney office opensFirst cross border lease executed

1982 - 1984

AIDCacquisition

1997

HVB injects capital and takes 20% stake2000

Advisory Investment management

Principal participation

Principal investment

JapaneseReal Estate

businessestablished

1998

Rail leasing business

established (BBRM)

1999

AsianInfrastructurebusinessestablished 2002

First major Corporate Principal Investment(AUSDOC)2001

European Real Estate businessestablished 2003

Electronics leasing business established (BBEM)2002

Commencement of non-leasing structured finance business outside Australia 1992 - 1993

BNBIPO Oct 2004

Aircraft operating leasing business

established (BBAM) (JV with Nomura)

1989

First Real Estate principal investmentsin AustraliaEarly 90's

PrimeInfrastructurefloated on ASX2002

Babcock & Brown formed in San Francisco1977

Sydney office opensFirst cross border lease executed

1982 - 1984

AIDCacquisition

1997

HVB injects capital and takes 20% stake2000

Advisory Investment management

Principal participation


First UK PFI First UK PFI project1996

project1996

JapaneseReal Estate

businessestablished

1998

Rail leasing business

established (BBRM)

1999

AsianInfrastructurebusinessestablished 2002

First major

Principal Investment(AUSDOC)2001

European Real Estate businessestablished 2003

Electronics leasing business established (BBEM)2002

Commencement of non-leasing structured finance business outside Australia 1992 - 1993

venture company with venture company with Formed a joint

Nomura (NBB) to carry out Japanese cross border leasing1986

Formed a joint

Nomura (NBB) to carry out Japanese cross border leasing1986

BNB IPO Oct2004

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Business model

• Three principal business activities

– Financial advisory

– Principal investment

– Funds management

• Focus on maximising revenue and ROE through integrated model

– Origination through advisory and/or development including greenfield development

– Securing/profiting from opportunity through principal investment

– Recycling capital through Specialised Asset and Funds Management platform

– Generating passive and recurring management fee income through SpecialisedAsset and Funds Management platform

– Recurring transaction and investment banking fees from managed funds

– Funds and assets under management provide a platform for further originationactivity

Financial Advisory

PrincipalInvestment

Funds Management

Financial Advisory

PrincipalInvestment

Funds Management

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Operating divisions

• BNB operates through five business groups

– Real Estate, Corporate Finance and Infrastructure and Project Finance groups arefocused on advisory, investment management and principal investment

– Operating Leasing group, operates in aircraft, rail and electrical equipment.Includes investment management and principal investment

– Structured Finance group, traditionally advisory in nature. Increasingly focused onthe underwriting, structuring and distribution of investment transactions

• Specialised Asset and Funds Management platform sits across the five business groups

Real EstateCorporateFinance

OperatingLeasing

StructuredFinance

Infrastructure andProject Finance

Specialised Asset and Funds Management platform

BNB AircraftMgt (BBAM)

SpecialProducts

BNB Rail Mgt(BBRM)

FinanceLeasing

BNBElectronics

Mgt (BBEM)

CapitalMarkets

Eurorail

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Funds and asset management platform

• $ 17.4 billion of total specialised funds and assets under management as at 4 November 2005

8401,15315%Babcock & Brown Wind Partners (BBW)

3,8077,663Total Listed Funds

2703005%Everest Babcock & Brown Alternative Investments(EBB)

4656105%Babcock & Brown Japan Property Trust (BJT)

17810032%Babcock & Brown Environmental Investments (BEI)

1,6084,5007%Babcock & Brown Infrastructure Group (BBI)

4461,00016%Babcock & Brown Capital Limited (BCMCA)

Listed

Mkt Cap

($m)

FUM/AUM

($m)

Ownership%

As at 4 November 2005

5987%Babcock & Brown Global Partners

2,932Total Unlisted Funds

34-UK Retail Syndicates

2,30050%BGP Investment Sarl (GPT JV)

Unlisted

1. $500m call is due in Feb 2006, but may be deferred for six months.

6615%Babcock & Brown Direct Investment Fund

66Total Private Equity Funds

Private equity

6,100Operating Leases

6,709Total Specialised AUM

609PPPs

Specialised Assets Under Management

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Earnings composition

• Result for six months to 30 June 2005 represents 80% of the 2005 full year IPO forecast

• Result driven by strong contributions from Real Estate and Corporate Finance versusprospectus and solid levels of activity across other business units

• Reflects success in deploying and recycling new capital and converting opportunities thathave emerged following listing

• Result reflects the scalability of BNB cost structure

45%

17%

13%

11%

14%

Real EstateInfrastructure & project financeOperating leaseStructure financeCorporate finance

Net revenue by division for sixmonths ended 30 June 2005

43%

40%

17%

Asia Pacific

Europe

North America

20%

42%

38%

Advisory

Investment management


Net revenue by type for six monthsended 30 June 2005

Net revenue by region for sixmonths ended 30 June 2005

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Outlook

General business outlook

• BNB has established a business platform capable of generating growth going forward

• Specialist funds have strong access to capital to fund future growth. This includes capitalraised within Babcock & Brown Global Partners, Babcock & Brown Capital, Babcock &Brown Environmental Investments, our joint venture with GPT and Babcock & BrownWind Partners

• Assuming performance continues both Babcock & Brown Infrastructure and Babcock &Brown Japan Property Trust have access to capital markets to fund further acquisitionopportunities

• Employee base has been expanded over the last 12 months, presently more than 600, inspecialist areas to drive future growth and in areas necessary to support the growth

• Significant investment and business opportunities identified

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Agenda



– Use of proceeds


– Key Terms


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Use of proceeds

17-Nov-04

Royal MelbourneShowgroundsRedevelopmentA$6m

24-Nov-04

Increase stake in7.6%

17-Nov-04

Royal MelbourneShowgrounds

CBRailJV acquisition

-Nov-04

Increase stake in GAS to 7.6%A$22m

14 Feb-05-BCM A$1b

22-Dec-0422-Dec-04

158 MW wind farms acquires GWP acquires

158 MW wind farms in Spain

17-Jan-0517-Jan-05

Real estate transactions across Europe A$1.1bn

Real estate transactions across Europe 15-Feb-05

EBB A$15m stake

15-Feb-05

stake

BJT-Feb-054 -Feb-05

A$300m

9-Mar-059-Mar-05

GoldenCirclefinancing A$50m

15-Apr-05

A$175m bridge loan facility to Prime for

A$600m IEG acquisition

15-Apr-05

A$175m bridge loan facility to Prime for

A$600m IEG acquisition 26-Apr-05

A$340 millionBraemarPower

invest up to 60% of the equity

26-Apr-05

A$340 millionBraemarPower Project, with BNB to invest up to 60% of the equity

05-Jul -05

BEI

- -05

A$13.5m BNB debt

restructure and capital raising -

converted to equity

restructure and capital raising -

converted to equity

A$550m facility to refinance existing facilities and provideundrawnfunding for future requirements

29-Apr-0529-Apr-05A$550m facility to refinance existing facilities and provideundrawnfunding for future requirements

3-May-053-May-05JV with GPT -

investment

JV with GPT -BNB $100m investment

12-Jul-05

B&B Global Partners -Unlisted A$550m investment fund

12-Jul-05

B&B GlobalPartners -Unlisted

investment fund

23-Sep-05

Acquisition of 10.6% of East Surrey

Holdings

23-Sep-05

Acquisition of 10.6% of East Surrey

HoldingsA$102m

26-Oct-05

BBW 15%

26- -05

InvestmentA$39.3m

29-Sep-05

Acquisition of Multiplex's interest in JV betweenPrimelife,

-Sep-05

Acquisition of Multiplex's interest in JV betweenPrimelife, Multiplex and BNBA$5m

Capital deployment

Capital recycling/raising

26-Sep-0526-Sep-05

of certain assets

BNB vendor of certain BBW assets

14-Feb-05

- BNB A$100minvestment

- -

BCM -

24-Mar-05--10%

investment inBJT A$14m

8 -Apr-05

EBB A$300m

- -05

• Significant transaction activity since IPO

• A$2.7 billion raised by Specialised Asset and Funds Management platform

06-Oct-04- -04BNB IPO A$550

10-Oct-05

investmentby BCMA$55m

- -05

Eircom -

18-Jun-

BBI capital raisingA$26m

- - 05

16-Mar-05GWPinvestmentA$13.8m

24-Oct-05Investmentin PaceA$9m

- -0516-Nov-04

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Use of proceeds

• Rate of transactions has exceeded expectations, resulting in:

– Significantly higher profits than was envisaged at time of IPO

– Employment of funds raised at IPO

• Significant pipeline of further opportunities over the short to medium term

• Additional capital being sought to improve balance sheet efficiency and reinforce capacityto capitalise on pipeline

– Up to $300m from BBSN offer

– $300m project-specific acquisition finance facility

– Up to $450m increase to corporate facility

• Proceeds of BBSN Offer applied to generally invest in the various business andinvestment opportunities available to BNB

• Number of specifically identified projects exist

– Equity investment in an unlisted aircraft fund

– Equity investment in US freight rail car syndication

– Investment in wind turbines

– Development of wind farms in the US and Australia

– Development of thermal power stations

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Interest coverage ratios

• The interest coverage ratio of BNB and the effect on interest coverage under thefollowing three scenarios for the six months ended 30 June 2005 is as follows:

Interest Coverage Ratio1Interest Coverage

Ratio2, 3

Actual Existing Corporate Facility as at 30 June 2005 32.6 times

Scenario 1 Existing Corporate Facility on the assumption it is fully drawn for the six months ended 30 June 2005

8.9 times

Scenario 2 Existing Corporate Facility on the assumption it is fully drawn for the six months ended 30 June 2005 and $250million BBSN issue on 1 January 2005

6.1 times

Scenario 3 Existing Corporate Facility on the assumption it is fully drawn for the six months ended 30 June 2005 and $300million BBSN issue (assuming over-subscription of $50million) on 1 January 2005

5.8 times

1. The interest coverage ratios have been calculated as profit from continuing operations before income tax expense divided by interest expense excluding interest on non-recourse debt. In the calculation of the interest coverage ratios an assumed Margin of 215 bps has been adopted.

2. Assumes that interest is earned at the rate of 5.70% on the $250 million proceeds of the BBSN issue and on the proceeds of the additional draw down of the Existing Corporate Facility. Finance costs attributable to the Existing Corporate Facility during the period ended 30 June 2005 were $4.6 million.

3. In calculating the interest coverage ratio it is assumed the senior debt is drawn in Australian dollars and is drawn on a fully funded basis rather than drawn for letters of credit.

• All interest coverage ratios have been calculated post bonus expense

• Assuming the existing corporate facility and all additional facilities are fully drawn, andconservative reinvestment rate of 5.70%, interest coverage is equal to 3.6 times

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– Use of proceeds


– Key Terms


Agenda

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Consolidated Income Statement

$’000

AGAAP Period from 6 Oct

2004 to 31 December 04

Actual1

AGAAP 12 months ended 31 December 2004

pro-forma1&2

AIFRS 6 months ended

30 June 05 Actual3

Revenues from continuing operations 562,305 667,186 509,765

Expenses from continuing operations, amortisation and restructure costs excluding finance costs and bonus expense

(414,071) (334,900) (214,830)

Finance costs4 (15,346) (63,905) (48,753)

Share of net profits of associates 9,831 18,870 27,725

Bonus expense (including amortisation of share options and bonus deferred rights)

(98,474) (148,245) (126,743)

Profit from continuing operations before income tax expense 44,245 139,006 147,164

Income tax expense (18,821) (29,305)

Net profit 25,424 117,859

Minority interest excluding BBIPL (8,282) (7,705)

Net profit attributable to the Babcock & Brown Group, including BBIPL

17,142 110,154

BBIPL minority interest (4,890) (31,927)

Net profit attributable to Members of Babcock & Brown 12,252 78,227

Notes: 1. The financial information for this period is based on the following exchange rates US$0.7366; 0.5922; £0.4020; ¥79.5880. 2. The pro forma result for the 12 months ended 31 December 2004 is only provided to the level of operating profit before tax. See note 2.

to the Consolidated Income Statement in section 5.3 of the Prospectus for a description of the calculation of the pro-forma for the 12 months ended 31 December 2004.

3. The financial information for this period is based on the following exchange rate per A$ – US$0.7750; 0.5978; £0.4106; ¥81.6566. 4. Includes finance costs attributable to non-recourse debt as well as the Existing Corporate Facility. Finance costs attributable to the Existing

Corporate Facility during the six month period ended 30 June 2005 were $4.6 million.

Income statement

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Balance sheet

$’000 AIFRS

30 June 2005 Pro-forma

adjustments AIFRS pro-forma

30 June 2005 Assets Cash and cash equivalents 308,711 250,0001 558,711 Receivables 651,079 651,079 Investments accounted for using the equity method 553,276 553,276 Finance Leases 166,145 166,145 Transportation equipment 314,953 314,953 Real estate held for sale 134,934 134,934 Real estate held as investment property 87,951 87,951 Assets under development 331,327 331,327 Intangible assets 4,684 4,684 Other assets6 399,248 399,248 Total Assets 2,952,308 250,000 3,202,308 Liabilities Accounts payable and accrued liabilities 214,049 214,049 Interest bearing liabilities2:

Transportation equipment notes payable 458,762 458,762 Real estate notes payable 265,718 265,718 Other notes payable3 778,686 250,0004 1,028,686

Other liabilities 377,189 377,189 Total Liabilities 2,094,404 250,000 2,344,404 Net Assets 857,904 857,904 Gearing ratio5 7.20% 7.20%

Notes: 1. Assumes $250 million of BBSN issued on 30 June 2005, and that the gross proceeds of the Offer are held as cash. 2. Interest bearing liabilities, with the exception of the Existing Corporate Facility of ($66 million drawn as at balance date), are recourse only

to the assets of certain special purpose vehicles in the Babcock & Brown Group. 3. Other notes payable includes the Existing Corporate Facility. 4. BBSN liability recorded as other notes payable. 5. Existing Corporate Facility divided by net assets plus Existing Corporate Facility less intangibles. 6. Includes deferred tax assets, fees receivable and all investments in financial assets available for sale.

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– Use of proceeds


– Key Terms


Agenda

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Key Terms—General

Issuer Babcock & Brown Limited

Security BNB Subordinated Notes (BBSN) are unsecured,subordinated, cumulative, resettable notes.

Offer 2.5 million BBSN at an issue price of $100 per BBSN toraise $250 million, with the ability to acceptoversubscriptions for up to $50 million.

Maturity Date 15 November 2015. On the Maturity Date, all outstandingBBSN must be either Repaid, or, if a Holder requests anExchange and BNB agrees, then Exchanged.

ASX quotation Application will be made to ASX for quotation of BBSNwithin seven days after the lodgement of this Prospectus.

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Key Terms—Interest

Until the first Reset Date = Market Rate + Margin where:• the Market Rate is the six month Bank Bill Swap Rate on the first

Business Day of the Interest Period.• the Margin will be determined by a Bookbuild.Interest will be payable semi-annually in arrears.

Interest Rate

• BNB is insolvent or such payment would cause it to become insolvent;• such payment would cause BNB to breach any legal obligation; or• Directors determine that BNB has insufficient cash to make the

Interest Payment.

Market Rate for thefirst Interest Period

Deferral conditions

Deferred Interest Interest will accrue on any Outstanding Interest on a daily basis at theInterest Rate plus 2.00% per annum. Deferred Interest remaining unpaidmust be paid on the next Interest Payment Date where no InterestPayment deferral condition applies.

Restrictions onBNB

Until Outstanding Interest is paid in full, BNB will be prevented from:• declaring and paying any dividend or making any return of capital or

other payment to its shareholders;• setting aside any cash or assets for that purpose; and• undertaking any arrangement, reconstruction or reorganisation, which

would have a material adverse effect on the value ofthe BBSN.

The greater of the Market Rate on the last day of the Bookbuild andSettlement Date.

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Reset Date First Reset Date: 15 November 2010.

Reset of terms On each Reset Date, BNB may change certain terms of BBSN including:• the next Reset Date, provided that each Reset Date will be no less than

12 months after the immediately preceding Reset Date and will also bean Interest Payment Date;

• the Exchange Discount;• the Market Rate (including from a floating rate to a fixed rate);• the Margin; and• the Interest Payment Dates.

BNB initiatedRepayment,Exchange andResale

BNB may Repay all or some of the BBSN on a Reset Date.

BNB may Repay all BBSN:• on occurrence of a Change in Law Event;• on occurrence of a Change in Control Event;• on occurrence of a Delisting Event; or• if the aggregate Face Value of BBSN on issue is less than $50 million.

Key Terms—Reset Process & BNB Exit Rights

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Investor initiatedRepayment andExchange

Holders may provide an Exit Notice requesting Exchange in relation to:• a Reset Date;• a Trigger Event (Holders may also request Repayment);• a Change in Control Event; or• the Maturity Date.

BNB action uponreceipt of an ExitNotice

Where a Holder requests Exchange, BNB may Exchange, Repay or ResellBBSN (or a combination of Exchange, Repay and Resell);Where a Holder requests Repayment, BNB may Repay or Resell BBSN (ora combination of Repay and Resell).

Exchange intoOrdinary Shares

Upon Exchange the number of Ordinary Shares delivered to a Holder foreach BBSN will be calculated as:Repayment Amount / (VWAP x (1 - ED))

Where:

ED is the Exchange Discount of 2.5% (subject to change on a Reset Date).

Repayment Amount is the Face Value plus any Outstanding Interest as atthe Realisation Date that will not be separately paid in cash as interest onthe Realisation Date.

ResaleUpon Resale, BNB must ensure that the Holder is paid an amount at leastequal to the Repayment Amount on the Realisation Date.

Key Terms—Investor Exit Rights

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Key Terms—Subordination & Guarantee

BBIPL.

Subordination onpayments

Winding Up

Guarantor

Guarantee

BBSN are subordinated to all other debt of BNB.BNB may issue debt ranking ahead of BBSN in right of any paymentincluding payment of Interest and on a Winding Up.

On a Winding Up the rights of Holders are subordinated in right of paymentto the claims of any creditors of BNB from time to time other than thosewhose claims are stated to rank equally with, or after, the claims of Holders.

BBIPL guarantees any amounts which become due and payable by BNBon BBSN.

Claims under the Guarantee are subordinated to the claims of all creditorsof BBIPL (other than creditors whose claims are expressed to rank after orequally with the claims of Holders under the Guarantee), but in priority tothe claims of BBIPL shareholders.

BBIPL may enter into any transaction without restriction including issuingother indebtedness ranking ahead of claims of Holders under the BBIPLGuarantee.

As the payment of Interest is subject to deferral conditions, the Guaranteedoes not ensure that interest will be paid in all circumstances.

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– Use of proceeds


– Key Terms


Agenda

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Syndicate Structure & Bookbuild

• Indicative bookbuild range of 2.00% to 2.30%

• Close for brokers: 10:00am Thursday 17th November 2005

• Close for institutions: 11:00am Friday 18th November 2005

• Institutional allocations can only be received from the Lead Manager & Bookrunner

Lead Manager &Bookrunner

Senior Co-Managers

Co-Managers Bell Potter Securities LimitedCommonwealth Securities LimitedOrd Minnett LimitedTricom Equities LimitedUBS Private Clients Australia Limited

Grange Securities Limited

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Key dates for the Offer1 Time & Date

Announcement of Offer and Prospectus lodged with ASIC 9 November 2005

Roadshow 9–14 November 2005

Bookbuild 17–18 November 2005

Bookbuild close for brokers 10:00 am 17 November 2005

Bookbuild close for institutions 11:00 am 18 November 2005

Margin announced and Opening Date 21 November 2005

General Offer Closing Date 5:00 pm 14 December 2005

Broker Firm Offer Closing Date 10.00 am 19 December 2005

Settlement Date 20 December 2005

Issue Date 21 December 2005

BBSN begin trading on ASX (deferred settlement basis) 22 December 2005

Holding Statements despatched by 28 December 2005

BBSN begin trading on ASX (normal settlement basis) 29 December 2005

Key dates for BBSN1

First Record Date for Interest Payment 7.00pm on 8 May 2006

First Interest Payment Date 15 May 2006

First Reset Date 15 November 2010

Maturity Date 15 November 2015

Key Dates

1. These dates are indicative only and may change

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BBSN Offer Contacts

• Babcock & Brown Limited

– Phillip Green, Managing Director, +612 9229 1800

– Michael Larkin, Chief Financial Officer, +612 9229 1800

– Kelly Hibbins, Investor Relations, +612 9229 1800

• UBS Investment Bank

– Dane FitzGibbon, Hybrid Capital, +612 9324 2339

– Simon Maidment, Syndicate, +612 9324 3948

– Guy Foster, Syndicate, +612 9324 3603

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Disclaimer for presentation

The information in this presentation is an overview and does not contain all the information necessary to make an investment decision. Inmaking an investment decision, investors must rely on their own examination of BNB and BBSN, including the merits and risks involved inan investment in BBSN which will be set out in detail in the prospectus to be lodged by BNB (the Offer Document).

This presentation has been prepared in good faith, but no representation or warranty, express or implied, is made as to the accuracy,reliability or adequacy of any statements, estimates, opinions or other information contained in this presentation (any of which may changewithout notice). To the maximum extent permitted by law, the BNB Group (including Babcock & Brown Asset Holdings Pty Limited) andUBS AG and their respective directors, officers, employees and agents and any other person involved in the preparation of the OfferDocument disclaim all liability and responsibility (including without limitation any liability arising from fault or negligence) for any direct orindirect loss or damage which may be suffered through use or reliance on anything contained in, or omitted from, this presentation.

It is not intended that this presentation contain any prospective financial information and any statements which may be construed as suchshould not be so construed or where such a construction is unavoidable, such information has been based on current expectations aboutfuture events and is subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from the expectationsdescribed.

The Offer Document is subject to further revisions, and you should wait to receive the fully detailed Offer Document, and read and considerit in full, before making any decision to acquire BBSN. An electronic copy, with details of how to register to receive a hard copy, is availableon the BNB website at www.babcockbrown.com

This presentation is not a prospectus or any other type of disclosure document nor an offer of securities or financial products for sale orsubscription in any jurisdiction. This presentation does not constitute an offer to sell, or a solicitation of an offer to buy, securities in theUnited States or to any U.S. person, as defined in Regulation S under the U.S. Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the U.S. SecuritiesAct). Securities may not be offered or sold in the United States, or to or for the account of any U.S. person (as defined in Regulation S ofthe U.S. Securities Act), unless the securities have been registered under the U.S Securities Act or an exemption from registration isavailable.

It is not intended to constitute financial product advice.

This presentation is being supplied to you solely for your information and may not be reproduced or distributed to any other person(including any general distribution in the United States) or published, in whole or in part, for any purpose without the prior writtenpermission of BNB.

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