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lemonade Interim 59,5

Eric Burgereburger@snowshore.com

Glenn Parsonsgparsons@nortelnetworks.com

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Scribes and Transcribes

JABBER detailsRoom: lemonade Server: ietf.xmpp.orgLogs: http://www.xmpp.org/ietf-logs/lemonade@ietf.xmpp.org/

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Objectives for Interim

• Timeline– Drafts before IETF 60– LC after IETF 60– Revisions Before IETF 61– IESG Submission After IETF 61

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Agenda Bashing

• Pull Implementation Plan• 3GPP Liaison• IMAP Profile• Random Bits

– Notifications– Channel– Future Delivery– Documents Ready for WGLC

• Assign Document Authors

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Pull Implementation Plan

• Mechanism Discussion– BURL/CATENATE– Other?

• Pawn Ticket– Separate Document

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Forward without download

• Pull– Message headers requested and sent

to UA– Message header delivered to GUI– New message created with reference

to message received in 2. Sent to UA– Message with references sent to MS. – Message with reference to include

message in 4 sent to MTA– MTA requests MS to compile full

message and send to MTA.– MTA sends message via SMTP

UA

RFC-822/MIME

(E)SMTP

IMAP4

MS

MTAGUI

proprietaryAPI

proprietaryAPI

desktop client

email server1

2 3 5

6

4

7

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Issues to Address

– 3rd-Party Trust Model– FCC: Submit Server Has to Send Message

to User; Store Needs to Know Message for Sent Items Folder

– Future Delivery: Where Does Message Get Queued? How Revoked?

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3GPP Liaison

Glenn Parsons

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3GPP MMS Reference Architecture & Lemonade

MM3

...

Relay

MMS UserAgent A

ExternalServer #1

(e.g. E-Mail)

ExternalServer #2(e.g. Fax)

ExternalSMSC GW

“Foreign”MMS

Relay/Server

MMS UserAgent B

Server

MM1

MM1

MM4

MMS Relay/Server

MM2

ExternalServer #3

(e.g. UMS)

MM6 MM5

MMS UserDatabases

HLRMMS VAS

Applications

MM7

SMPPLemonade

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3GPP LiaisonTdoc S2-041675

• MMS Over IP for WLAN

• Described by 3GPP TS 23.234– 3GPP system to Wireless Local Area

Network (WLAN) interworking; System description (Release 6)

• Would Like to Use lemonade Access Instead of WAP over IP

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IMAP Profile

Stéphane Maes

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Immanent Candidates for WGLC

• lemonade Goals– New Revision– Nits review, then WG last call

• Media Size– draft-shveidel-mediasize-05

• Notifications Requirements– draft-decktor-s2s-notif-01– Expired– Interest in Continuing Work?

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Random Bits

• Channel– draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-channel-01– Was on Hold for Resources

• Future Delivery– draft-vaudreuil-futuredelivery-02– Was on Hold for pull/push Decision

• MMS mapping– draft-gellens-lemonade-mms-mapping-00– Wait for pull/push & IMAP profile progression

• Other extensions?

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Milestone Guidelines

• Drafts before IETF 60

• Working Group Last Call (WGLC)after IETF 60

• Revisions Before IETF 61

• IESG Submission After IETF 61

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Milestones (1 of 5)

• Goals– Update Goals– WGLC Goals– Submit Goals to IESG

• Media Size– WGLC Media Size– Submit Media Size to IESG

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Milestones (2 of 5)

• Notifications Requirements– WGLC Notifications Requirements– Submit Notifications Requirements to IESG

• CHANNEL– Review/Update CHANNEL– WGLC CHANNEL– Submit CHANNEL to IESG

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Milestones (3 of 5)

• Pull Protocol– First Draft Pull Protocol– First Draft Pawn Ticket– WGLC CATENATE– WGLC Pull Protocol,Pawn Ticket, and

CATENATE– Submit Pull Protocol, Pawn Ticket, and

CATENATE to IESG

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Milestones (4 of 5)

• IMAP Profile– First Draft IMAP Profile– WGLC IMAP Profile– Submit IMAP Profile to IESG

• Notifications Protocol– First Draft Notifications Protocol– WGLC Notifications Protocol– Submit Notifications Protocol to IESG

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Milestones (5 of 5)

• Update MMS – lemonade Interworking

• WGLC Interworking

• Submit Interworking to IESG

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