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KKS Lecture Transcript -Caitanya Caritamrita 4.18230th June 2002 parT 4 4

So I will stop with that. Any

comments, any questions?...

Devotee speaksMaharaja: No we are not more

sinful, we are just like Jagai and

Madhai, Prabhupada said,

nowadays everyone is like Jagai

and Madhai and its become the

common standard, Prabhupada

said. Jagai and Madhai, it was

special, nowadays its normal,

you know, I mean, you see it allover the city, you see the posters

like the latest movie its called

bad company, right

its all over the city now, badcompany, right you see something

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like posters like back street

boys and everyone has bad boys

tshirts and bad girls tshirts,right?

Everything is like baaad and, you

know. Thats idealised, right,

obviously by unscrupulous menwho want to exploit women. You

start with bad boys, bad boys and

then bad girls bad girls and you

got free sex and they get pregnant

and you walk away and thats the

whole process and that is what it

is all about, the badboys tactic

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,right, so this is all part of Jagai

and Madhas tactics, .Jagai

Madhai tactics. Very normal to

be intoxicated, illicit sex and all

these activities. gambling and the whole city has been swept

up in it, the whole planet is being

swept up in it and this is the

condition.

So how is Citragupta maintaining

the records, he must have

modernised, you know,

(Maharaja laughs a little) itslike, I guess, its like maybe he

has a computer network, I dont

know how hes doing it but I am

sure that he must have

modernised his recording systems

since 500 yrs ago.

Devotee speaks

Maharaja: Yes, Yeah there is a

way to use drugs in Vedic society

for medicinal purposes, like there

are many aryuvedic medicinesthat have all kind of drugs inside

which are in the category of

intoxication including alcohol.

You know, there is this aryuvedic

medicine which has 90%

whoooooo, one cap in a glass of

water and whooooo! Still quite

strong! So yes, there are many

herbs that are being used that areall in the categories of drugs. All

these drugs are meant for that,

medicine, medicinal purposes. I

dont know if there is some sort

of any vedic injunctions where

anything beyond alcohol, alcohol

is clearly there, it wouldnt

surprise me if Ganja has some

licence somewhere, since it is somuch part of the Indian culture to

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have restricted distribution of

Ganja for the outcastes and the

lower class people. They have

little little booths everywhere all

over India where you can just buyyour ganja, your hashor your

marajuana ..anywhere. I mean we

were thinking it is legal in

Holland, its always legal in India

but this particular booth and the

very low class men go there,

rickshawalas and foreigners. But

I have never heard of anything,

like we hear of chandy pooja orwe know there is wine offered but

I have never heard of anything,

have you ever heard of anything?

.No no, we have

not heard anything, any other

question.Conversation

Maharaja: Yogamaya is Krishnas

energy and she is there to

facilitate Krishnas pastimes in

Goloka, she is covering the

consciousness of the devotees so

that they can actually forget that

Krishna is the Supreme Lord, that

is her service.

She is one of Krishnas energies,

the opposite of Mahamaya the

material feature of the illusory

energy, Krishnas spiritual

illusion potency, one of Krishnasenergies and Radharani is.

.sanskrit.. Krishna s pleasure

potency.

So different enrgy.Little banter

. Yeah without Yogamaya the

pastimes of Krishna can not take

place, she is necessary for the

pastimes because.Krishna, it is

an ingredient for the pastimes ofKrishna that everyone forgets that

He is the Supreme Lord, therefore

Yogamaya is very much neededor otherwise there would be awe

and reverence.

Devotee asks question

Maharaja: I mean there are so

many superiors in Vrndavana,

right, Nanda Maharaja is superior

and is superior to Radharani

but this is externally superior, in

terms of rasa, She is the topmost, but externally She is many

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superiors. If you really want to

know more about read the certain

book,I dont, I dont really read

that so much , because it is very

high and rasic so not sorecommended for neophytes like

me so I dont know too much

about it.

Devotee speaks

Maharaja: No only in Goloka ,

and thats why in Vaikuntha the

devotees they are aware that

Krishna or that Narayana is the

Supreme Lord, they know that Heis the Supreme Personality of

Godhead and they worship Him

like that.

But in Goloka they dont because

of Yogamaya, also here in Gokul

Vrndavana same thingbecause

of Yogamaya the devotees forget

that Krishna is the Supreme Lord.

So thats unique to bhakti, right,

that you dont find, thats unique

to the pure devotional service that

is taught by Lord Chaitanya,

where the devotees go to Goloka,

that Vrndavana.

Devotee speaks

Maharaja: Gokul is in the

material world and Goloka is inthe spiritual world but for the rest,

no difference.

There is a comment of Jiva

Goswami in the Sandharba and

the description is that once Nanda

Maharaja after the ekadasi in the

morning went to take his bath in

the river Yamuna but went very

very early.

So it was said that it was a veryinauspicious time, it was too early

and therefore he was arrested by

the representatives of Varuna.

So when Krishna heard from the

cowherd men Nanda Maharaja

had been arrested then Krishna

went into the river and He went

into the palace of Varuna and

Varuna was bowing down toKrishna saying that he was very

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happy that He came and begged

forgiveness that his men had

arrested his father but said at the

same time it is my good fortune

that I can have Your darshan andthen he said of course I can

release your father immediately.

So Krishna came back with

Nanda Maharaja and then

afterwards Nanda Maharaja told

all the cowherd men that Varuna

had been bowing down to

Krishna, so then all the cowherd

men were just talking about that,you know, of how amazing it

was: Nanda had been brought

back and even how more

amazing it was that: Varuna was

worshipping Krishna and some

were saying well maybe He is the

Supreme Lord ..you know. So

they all speculated who He would

be

and then there was a question

raised: What would be the their

next birth, right, what would be

their next birth and it showed

whether they would all be goingback to the spiritual world in their

next birth and the answer was yes,

yes you would all be going back

to the spiritual world and then

they got a vision of the spiritual

world and they saw Krishna and

they saw Him with His devotees

and Jiva Goswami writes in the

commentary and what they saw -

it was just the same as their

village Vrndavana, its not any

different, it was just the same

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