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MEMORANDUM

TO: NFPA Correlating Committee on Signaling Systems for the Protection of Life and Property FROM: Jenny Depew, Administrator, Technical Projects DATE: June 22, 2015 SUBJ: NFPA 72 Proposed TIA No. 1188 PRELIMINARY CC BALLOT RESULTS ________________________________________________________________________________________ According to 5.6(b) in the NFPA Regs, the preliminary results show this TIA HAS NOT achieved the ¾ majority vote needed on both Question 1 (Correlating Issues) and Question 2 (Emergency Nature). 20 Eligible to Vote 2 Not Returned (J. Fannin, L. Fiore) Correlating Issues:

Emergency Nature:

1 Abstentions (A. Black) 1 Abstentions (A. Black) 12 Agree 4 Agree (w/comment: V. Humm) 5 Disagree (A. Berezowski, V. Humm, R. Schifiliti,

T. Smith, J. Van Keuren)

13 Disagree (D. Aiken, A. Berezowski, B. Fraser, F. Leber, J. Ludden, J. Mundy, L. Nielson, T. Parrish, R. Reiswig, R. Schifiliti, L. Shudak, T. Smith, J. Van Keuren)

There are two criteria necessary to pass ballot [(1) simple majority (2) affirmative ¾ vote]. Both questions must pass ballot in order to recommend that the Standards Council issue this TIA. (1) In all cases, an affirmative vote of at least a simple majority of the total membership eligible to vote is

required. [14 eligible ÷ 2 = 7 + 1 = (8)]

or use [15 eligible ÷ 2 = 7.5 = (8)] (2) The number of affirmative votes needed to satisfy the ¾ requirement is rounded up #.

(# eligible to vote - # not returned - # abstentions = ___ × 0.75 = ____) [if counts are different use the following]

Technical Merit: (# eligible to vote - # not returned - # abstentions = ___ × 0.75 = ____) Emergency Nature: (# eligible to vote - # not returned - # abstentions = ___ × 0.75 = ____)

Ballot comments are attached for your review. Attachment

CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT

PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1188 To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the 2013 Edition of

NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code

Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. ______X______ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________

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Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. ____________ AGREE ______X______ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. The referenced IEEE standards were available in 2010 and 2005. There is no justification to support the introduction of these IEEE standards in NFPA 72 without the opportunity to allow the technical committees to provide input on the effect of adopting these requirements.

________________________________ Signature ________________________________ Name (Please Print) ________________________________ Date Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, 2015. PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169 FAX: (617)770-0700 E-mail: jdepew@nfpa.org

CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT

PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1188 To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the 2013 Edition of

NFP A 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code

Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 (copy enclosed) of the NFP A Regs.

_____ AGREE __ X __ DISAGREE* _____ ABSTAIN*

EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:

*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe.

There are a number of errors in the material provided. For example, the definition of a battery conflicts with the definition of a Primary (Dry) Cell. 9 volt alkaline batteries are made up of six 1.5 volt cells. In addition, the definitions for Primary Battery (Dry Cell), and Power Supply are fundamental definitions and not exclusive to SIG-TMS and the remaining proposed new definitions should be considered by SIG­FUN as well.

Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE.

_____ AGREE __ X __ DISAGREE* _____ ABSTAIN*

EXPLANATION OF VOTE-Please type or print your comments:

*An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position.

NFPA 72 2013 and the NFPA 72 2016 draft require a 20% safety margin to the calculated AH rating of the secondary power supply. The submitter has not provided evidence that installed systems are presently unable to provide the required secondary capacity if installed and maintained in accordance with NFP A 72. The technical content of the proposed TIA should be evaluated by the appropriate technical co/;s durj g the normal code revision cycle.

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Andrew G. Berezowski

Date 6/11/15

Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, 2015.

PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169 FAX: (617)770-0700 E-mail: jdepew@nfpa.org

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Depew, Jenny

From: Art Black <art@carmelfire.com>Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 12:56 AMTo: Depew, JennySubject: RE: REMINDER ACTION REQUIRED: Correlating BALLOT #1: NFPA 72 TIA Log No. 1188

Jenny  I am in Europe with limited access to internet and no facilities for printing.  Please record my votes as follows:        1188 – Correlating ‐ ‐ Abstain – There has been insufficient time to research such a lengthy proposal to determine whether there are any correlation issues.  Some of the comments indicate there may be some correlation issues.       1188 – Emergency Nature – Abstain – Again, there has been insufficient time to completely research the lengthy proposal.  On first scan, it seems that there is way too much in the proposal to be appropriate for a TIA.  This looks like something that needs to have full technical committee action and discussion.   

1189 – Correlating ‐ ‐ Abstain – There has been insufficient time to research such a lengthy proposal to determine whether there are any correlation issues.  Some of the comments indicate there may be some correlation issues.       1189 – Emergency Nature – Abstain – Again, there has been insufficient time to completely research the lengthy proposal.  On first scan, it seems that there is way too much in the proposal to be appropriate for a TIA.  This looks like something that needs to have full technical committee action and discussion.   

Art Art Black Carmel Fire Protection Associates Box 7168 | Carmel‐by‐the‐Sea | CA 93921 USA (831) MAyfair 4‐8303 www.carmelfire.com | art@carmelfire.com ‐ Current Location – Munich, Germany     

From: Depew, Jenny [mailto:JDepew@nfpa.org] Sent: 10 June 2015 11:31 To: Depew, Jenny Cc: Roux, Richard Subject: REMINDER ACTION REQUIRED: Correlating BALLOT #1: NFPA 72 TIA Log No. 1188 Importance: High  Correlating Committee Members,  The NFPA 72 TIA No. 1188 Ballot is due Tomorrow, June 11, 2015, by 11:59pm ET.  There are twenty members eligible to vote but only seven members have cast their votes.  Copies of the preliminary results of the TC balloting (SIG‐FUN, SIG‐PRS, & SIG‐TMS) are attached.    

CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT

PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1188 To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the 2013 Edition of

NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code

Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. ____X________ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. _____________________________________________________________________ There is no immediate need for this TIA and it should be handled by the TC process.

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Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. ____________ AGREE ____X________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________

Signature _Bruce Fraser_____________________ Name (Please Print) _June 9, 2015______________________ Date

Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, 2015. PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169 FAX: (617)770-0700 E-mail: jdepew@nfpa.org

CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT

PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1188 To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the 2013 Edition of

NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code

Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. _____X_______ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________

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Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. ____________ AGREE X DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. ____This is all new material in my opinion and should be handled by the committee. While the current code language may not meet the proponents intent, I know of no situations that warrant emergency nature._________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________

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__ ______________________________ Signature _Thomas P. Hammerberg_______________________________ Name (Please Print) _6/10/2015_______________________________ Date Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, 2015. PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169 FAX: (617)770-0700 E-mail: jdepew@nfpa.org

CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT

PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1188 To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the 2013 Edition of

NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code

Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. ____________ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________

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Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. ____________ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________

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________________________________ Signature ________________________________ Name (Please Print) ________________________________ Date Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, 2015. PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169 FAX: (617)770-0700 E-mail: jdepew@nfpa.org

CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT

PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1188 To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the 2013 Edition of

NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code

Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. _______X_____ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________

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Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. ____________ AGREE _______X_____ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________

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_____________________ Signature ________________________________ Fred Leber ________________________________ June 9, 2015 Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, 2015. PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169 FAX: (617)770-0700 E-mail: jdepew@nfpa.org

CORRELATING COMMITTEELETTER BALLOT

PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1188To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the 2013 Edition of

NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code

Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 (copyenclosed) of the NFPA Regs.

_____X_______ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*

EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:

*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevantsection(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe.

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Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE.

____________ AGREE _____X_______ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*

EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:

*An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position.There does not appear in any situation substantiation that the requested changes areemergency in nature and are only reflective of routine testing procedures proposed in thetechnical language.. ________________________________

SignatureJames M. Mundy, Jr.Name (Please Print)9 June 2015Date

Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, 2015.

PLEASE RETURN TO:Jenny Depew, Project AdministratorNFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169FAX: (617)770-0700 E-mail: jdepew@nfpa.org

CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT

PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1188

To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the 2013 Edition of

NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code

Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 (copy

enclosed) of the NFPA Regs.

____X________ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*

EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:

*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant

section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe.

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Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE.

____________ AGREE ______X______ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*

EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:

*An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position.

There does not seem to be a compelling reason to implement the new requirements outside

of the normal cycle. We’ve had the existing requirements for a long time and although this

is an improvement there is not a crushing problem that needs to be resolved out of the

normal committee review process.

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Signature

__Rodger Reiswig______________________________

Name (Please Print)

_June 8, 2015_______________________________

Date

Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, 2015.

CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT

PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1188 To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the 2013 Edition of

NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code

Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 (copy enclosed) of the NFPA Regs. ____________ AGREE _____xx_______ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe. _____________________________________________________________________ This material should be debated by the full committees. The material affects several TCs that have not had the opportunity to meet and discuss the impact.

Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE. ____________ AGREE _______xx_____ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN* EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments: *An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position. _____________________________________________________________________ This material is replacing text that has been in the code for a long time. If it is debated by the full committee and passes, it might then be a TIA for the immediate past edition.

________________________________ Signature Robert Schifiliti Name (Please Print) 2015 06 15 Date Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, 2015. PLEASE RETURN TO: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169 FAX: (617)770-0700 E-mail: jdepew@nfpa.org

CORRELATING COMMITTEE LETTER BALLOT

PROPOSED TENTATIVE INTERIM AMENDMENT LOG NO. 1188

To Revise Various Sections on Battery in the 2013 Edition of

NFPA 72, National Fire Alarm and Signaling Code

Question 1: I agree that there are no correlation issues in accordance with 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 (copy

enclosed) of the NFPA Regs.

______X______ AGREE ____________ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*

EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:

*An explanation must accompany a disagreement or abstaining position. If disagreeing, cite relevant

section(s)/paragraph(s) of the correlation issue and describe.

_____________________________________________________________________

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Question 2: I agree that the subject of this TIA is of an EMERGENCY NATURE.

____________ AGREE ________X____ DISAGREE* ____________ ABSTAIN*

EXPLANATION OF VOTE - Please type or print your comments:

*An explanation must accompany a negative/disagreement or abstaining position.

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Not aware of any field data demonstrating emergency nature.

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Signature

Larry Shudak

Name (Please Print)

June 11, 2015

Date

Please return the ballot on or before Thursday, June 11, 2015.

PLEASE RETURN TO:

Jenny Depew, Project Administrator

NFPA, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169