metals and mining outlook 1970’s repeat?
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Metals and Mining Outlook 1970’s Repeat?. Victor Lazarovici Feb. 4, 2009 Presented to NY Section SME. 1970’s vs. 2000’s (But Which 70’s?). Why is this Important? Metals and Mining Stocks Outperformed Broader markets in the 70’s Similarities: Industrializing Major Economy - Japan / China - PowerPoint PPT PresentationTRANSCRIPT
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Metals and Mining Outlook1970’s Repeat?
Victor LazaroviciFeb. 4, 2009
Presented to NY Section SME
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1970’s vs. 2000’s(But Which 70’s?)
Why is this Important?Metals and Mining Stocks Outperformed Broader markets in the 70’s
Similarities:Industrializing Major Economy - Japan / ChinaSupply Shortages Oil Shocks – 1973 & 1979 - $147/BBLReal Increases in Metal PricesStagflation – 1970’s / ????
Differences:Rising Interest Rates / Falling Interest Rates (For Now)Geopolitical - Restricted Access to Producing Areas / Globalization Large Inventories vs. JIT
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1970’s vs. 2000’s
Problems in the Comparison:
Lack of Data or Comparability of Data:Opaque Metal Price Discovery :
No consistent LME Market Data – Trading of Al and Ni started in 1979
Producer Pricing Dominates the 70’s in all but copper
Industry Restructuring / Consolidation = Apples to Oranges
Change in Index Components
Electronic reporting of Market Data started in the 80’s
Gold Peg
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Notable Long Term Forecasts:
"The truth is more important than the facts." - Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas Watson (1874-1956), Chairman of IBM, 1943
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." - Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977
"The concept is interesting and well-formed, but in order to earn better than a 'C', the idea must be feasible."
- A Yale University management professor in response to student Fred Smith's paper proposing reliable overnight delivery service (Smith went on to found Federal Express Corp.)
The Perils of Forecasting!Notable Long Term Forecasts:
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Notable Long Term Forecasts:
"A very powerful and durable rally is in the works. But it may need another couple of days to lift off. Hold the fort and keep the faith!" — Richard Band, editor, Profitable Investing Letter, Mar. 27, 2008
At the time of the prediction, the Dow Jones industrial average was at 12,300. By late December it was at 8500.
AIG (AIG) "could have huge gains in the second quarter." — Bijan Moazami, analyst, Friedman, Billings, Ramsey (FBR), May 9, 2008
AIG wound up losing $5 billion in that quarter and $25 billion in the next. It was taken over in September by the U.S. government, which will spend or lend $150 billion to keep it afloat.
"I think Bob Steel's the one guy I trust to turn this bank around, which is why I've told you on weakness to buy Wachovia (WB)." — Jim Cramer, CNBC commentator, Sept. 15, 2008
Two weeks later, Wachovia nearly failed as depositors fled. CEO Steel eventually agreed to a takeover by Wells Fargo (WFC). Wachovia shares lost half their value from Sept. 15 to Dec. 29.
The Perils of Forecasting!Notable Recent Forecasts:
Source: Businessweek, Jan. 12, 2008
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Notable Long Term Forecasts:
"Existing-Home Sales to Trend Up in 2008" — Headline of a National Association of Realtors press release, Dec. 9, 2007
On Dec. 23, 2008, the group said November sales were down 11% from a year earlier in the worst housing slump since the Great Depression.
"I think you'll see $150 a barrel [of oil] by the end of the year." — T. Boone Pickens, June 20, 2008
Oil was then around $135 a barrel. By late December it was around $40.
"I expect there will be some failures.... I don't anticipate any serious problems of that sort among the large internationally active banks." — Ben Bernanke, Federal Reserve Chairman, Feb. 28, 2008
"In today's regulatory environment, it's virtually impossible to violate rules." — Bernard Madoff, money manager, Oct. 20, 2007
On Dec. 11, Madoff was arrested for allegedly running a Ponzi scheme that may have cost investors $50 Billion
The Perils of Forecasting!Notable Recent Forecasts (Continued):
Source: Businessweek, Jan. 12, 2008
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Broader Market Context End of the Liquidity Bubble?
DJIA vs. 10 Yr. Treasury Rates – 5/62 to 12/08
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Notable Bubbles?
Nasdaq
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Nasdaq Composite2/71 to 1/09
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The Great Depression25 Years to Recover
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Metals Outlook
Historical Perspective:
It’s All About Industrialization
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Global GDP Growth
LT Economic Growth Puts Pressure on SupplyAverage GDP growthAverage GDP growth
1900 – 1960 1.3%
1960 – 1980 3.5%
1980 – 2005 5.7%
2006 – 2015E 6.0%
1900 – 1960 1.3%
1960 – 1980 3.5%
1980 – 2005 5.7%
2006 – 2015E 6.0%
Source: IMF, Angus Maddison, The world economy: historical statistics, OECD and CVRD.Source: IMF, Angus Maddison, The world economy: historical statistics, OECD and CVRD.
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WW Copper & AluminumApparent Consumption Growth Rate
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Long Term Consumption TrendsWW Consumption in 00’s constrained by Supply/Chinese growth
WW Consumption - Net EB Imports/Exports
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Long-Term Production GrowthSteel Example
Crude Steel Production CAGR
World Japan China1959-1974 3.4% 13.0% -1974-1999 1.8% - -1999-2004 6.0% - 11.4%
Note: Japanese Steel Production Growth Slowed Sharply in 2nd. Half of 70’s
Source: CVRD (IISI, Japan’s Ministry of Economy, and CEIC)
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Will a Strong Recovery Follow the Global Recession?Western World Recession / Recovery Demand Patterns- Last 6 Cycles
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Recession/Recovery PatternAverage Base Metals Demand
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Base Metals Recovery Cycles
Base Metal Cycles - 1971 to PresentBase Month in Cycle = 1.00
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LME Cash Price: Unweighted Average of Al, Cu, Ni, Zn, Pb
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Producers Lost Control of Production Costs
Source: Brook Hunt, Xstrata
Near Term Focus will be on:• Cost Reduction
• Reducing Excess Production
• Repairing Balance Sheets Stressed by “Top of the Market” Acquisitions
Early Curtailments Reduce Inventory Overhangs:Reductions to Estimated 2009 Production:
Coking coal Copper Nickel Zinc
13% 9% 21% 9%
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Producers Lost Control of Production Costs Copper Cash Cost Curves
Source: Brook Hunt
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Aluminum Recession/Recovery CycleLME Price vs. LME Inventory – June 89-June 2007
Aluminum Recovery Cycle
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Copper Recession/Recovery CycleLME Price vs. LME Inventory – June 91-June 2007
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Nickel Recession/Recovery CycleLME Price vs. LME Inventory – July 84-June 2007
Nickel Recovery Cycle
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“The Big Picture”Global Population Trends
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Global Population Trends
Source: UN Population Division, World Urbanisation Prospects: The 2007 Revision
Urbanization's Second Wave: A Difference of Scale First waveEurope and North America in the early 18th century Occurred over two centuries (1750-1950)Produced the new urban industrial societies that now dominate the worldInvolved a few hundred million people. Increase from 10 to 52 per cent urban and from 15 to 423 million Second WaveIn the past half-century, the less developed regions have begun the same transition. Achieving in one or two decades what developed countries accomplished in one or two centuriesUrbanites will go from 309 million in 1950 to 3.9 billion in 2030; from 18 per cent to 56 per centBetween 2000 and 2030, Asia’s (alone) urban population will increase from 1.36 billion to 2.64 = Approximately 42.7 Million/year = Build 3 NYC/Yr. for 30 Years!
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Global Population Trends
Infrastructure Growth Must Continue!
“very few developing-country cities generate enough jobs to meet the demands of their growing populations
the shortage of urban jobs, are responsible for conditions that can outmatch the Dickensian squalor of the Industrial Revolution “
Source: UN Population Division, World Urbanisation Prospects: The 2007 Revision
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If Chinese-Driven Growth Resumes, Where Will the Supply Come From?
Constraints to Supply:
• Near Term Profitability Pressure and producer Responses
• Lack of Financing/Stressed B/S Severely Reduces Project Pipelines
• Resurgence of Nationalism = Increased Risk
• Companies/Investors Less Risk Tolerant
• Availability of Equipment & People will still be an issue
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US Earth Sciences Graduates
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Source: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics
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Metals OutlookConclusions
Near Term:
• Recession / Demand Uncertainty Continues• Commodity Prices Could Decline Further• Demand/Price Cycle Bottoms• Early Curtailments Should Result in Quick Rebound• Renewed Demand Growth Absorbs Inventory and Idled Capacity
Longer Term:
• Sustained Demand Growth
• Depleted Project Pipeline• Availability of Risk Capital Could be an Issue• Shortage of Technical Personnel and Supplier/Equipment Capacity
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1970’s vs. 2000’s Conclusion
On Balance – More Similarities Than Differences
• Stagflation Likely
• Commodity Supply/Demand Tightness
• Strong Demand for Industry Professionals, Equipment & Supplies
• Prices Above LT Historical Levels
• Superior Industry Profitability
• But Slower Growth
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1970’s vs. 2000’sConclusion
“If something can’t go on forever, it will end.”
Anon
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Additional Slides
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Brief Biography
Victor Lazarovici has over 35 years of experience in a broad range of management, financial and analytical roles. Most recently, he worked as a highly ranked and successful global metals and mining analyst for the past twenty years. Prior to entering the financial sector as an analyst, he spent over 14 years in the corporate sector in engineering, financial management and corporate development roles. He currently serves as a director of Abacus Mining and Exploration and Minera Andes Ltd. Most recently Mr. Lazarovici was the Managing Director and Senior Base Metals and Minerals Analyst for BMO Capital Markets in New York. There, he led a team of analysts covering the base metals sector that was consistently ranked amongst the top tier in all of the major Canadian polls of institutional investors. Mr. Lazarovici has also served as a Managing Director and Senior Metals and Mining Analyst for Smith Barney, where he was consistently ranked in the top tier of Wall Street mining and metals analysts in all of the major US polls of institutional investors. He is the only analyst to receive the top honour in both the Canadian and US Greenwich Associates surveys. He also worked at UBS, HSBC, and Scotia Capital. As an analyst, Mr. Lazarovici expertise includes extensive first hand knowledge and coverage of the global base and precious metal producers' operations, having toured most major mineral camps and mines around the world. He also has an in-depth understanding of the macro-economic factors as they impact the industry and has extensive experience in short and long term forecasting of metal prices. He maintains an excellent relationship with his peers and is a past President of the Metals Analyst Group of New York, and is highly regarded for his knowledge of the North American and Latin marketplace. Mr Lazarovici holds an MBA from York University in Downsview, Ontario and a B.Eng. from Sir George Williams in Montreal, Quebec.
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The Perils of Forecasting!Notable Recent Forecasts:
“Peter writes: ‘Should I be worried about Bear Stearns in terms of liquidity and get my money out of there?’ No! No! No! Bear Stearns is fine! Do not take your money out. … Bear Stearns is not in trouble. I mean, if anything they’re more likely to be taken over. Don’t move your money from Bear! That’s just being silly! Don’t be silly!” —Jim Cramer, responding to a viewer’s e-mail on CNBC’s Mad Money, March 11, 2008
“The possibility of $150-$200 per barrel seems increasingly likely over the next six-24 months.” —Arjun Murti, Goldman Sachs oil analyst, in a May 5, 2008, report
Murti was dubbed the “oracle of oil” in by the New York Times. Oil prices peaked in July at about $147 a barrel before beginning a long decline. Thanks to a decrease in demand because of the global recession, prices are now nearing the $40 mark, and some experts even see $25 as a possibility next year.
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Equity Markets Trends
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Equity Markets Trends
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LT Trend in Copper Costs & Grades
Source: Phelps Dodge
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Copper Outlook - Fundamentals
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U.S. COPPER CONSUMPTION - AUTO & HOUSING
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Copper - LME Inventory vs Price
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Nickel - LME Inventory vs Price