nelson dba and oshpd

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1 Jin, Limin@OSHPD From: David Neou Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:22 AM To: Limin Jin Subject: FW: Nelson D2L ICC-ES 2907 FYI From: Hussain Bhatia Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:47 AM To: David Neou Subject: FW: Nelson D2L ICC-ES 2907 Here is my communication with ICCES on this subject. Note the factor of safety of 4. There was another conversation that suggested that the weld was also able to develop the bar. Hussain Bhatia, Ph.D., S.E. Senior Structural Engineer OSHPD FDD North Region 400 R Street Suite 200 Sacramento CA 95811 916 440 8388 [email protected] (Please add OSHPD Project Number to all emails for a quicker response) From: Brian Gerber [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:25 AM To: Hussain Bhatia Cc: Mahmut Ekenel Subject: RE: Nelson D2L ICC-ES 2907 Hussain, Here are our replies to your specific questions. 1. Can the welds on the deformed bar anchor develop the strength of the bar? From the capacities provided in ICCES 2907 (converted to strength) it isn’t clear the bars can be developed. Reply: Our evaluation really stopped at the anchorage to concrete and did not address design of welded plates. The designer should apply AISC 360 and AWS D1.1 to compute the strength of the welded plate. We can say that the embedments given in Table 1 of ESR2907 were determined in accordance with ACI 318 to develop the full strength of the anchor studs in tension. The allowable tension capacities in Table 2 are the stud strength based on Fy and Fu divided by a factor of safety of 4 for allowable stress design . The embedments in Table 3 were taken from tests in concrete at the stated embedment so we cannot say whether the full shear strength of the bar is developed. 2. Which AC was used to issue this report? The report does not state this information. Reply: The report holder was not interested in complying with IBC Section 1912, but preferred the less rigorous and more limited scope allowed in IBC Section 1911. Accordingly, we put together a plan that mirrored AC320, which is consistent with IBC Section 1911. That is what we used to evaluate the anchor studs. We could not reference AC320 in the ESR 2907 since the product differs, but we applied the key technical requirements from AC320 in our evaluation. I hope this is satisfactory. Let me know if you have additional questions.

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Jin, Limin@OSHPD

From: David NeouSent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:22 AMTo: Limin JinSubject: FW: Nelson D2L ICC-ES 2907

FYI  

From: Hussain Bhatia Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:47 AM To: David Neou Subject: FW: Nelson D2L ICC-ES 2907  Here is my communication with ICC‐ES on this subject.  Note the factor of safety of 4.  There was another conversation that suggested that the weld was also able to develop the bar.  

Hussain Bhatia, Ph.D., S.E. Senior Structural Engineer OSHPD ‐ FDD ‐ North Region 400 R Street Suite 200 Sacramento CA 95811 916 440 8388 [email protected] (Please add OSHPD Project Number to all emails for a quicker response) 

  

From: Brian Gerber [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:25 AM To: Hussain Bhatia Cc: Mahmut Ekenel Subject: RE: Nelson D2L ICC-ES 2907  Hussain,  Here are our replies to your specific questions.  1. Can the welds on the deformed bar anchor develop the strength of the bar? From the capacities provided in ICC‐ES 2907 (converted to strength) it isn’t clear the bars can be developed.   Reply: Our evaluation really stopped at the anchorage to concrete and did not address design of welded plates. The designer should apply AISC 360 and AWS D1.1 to compute the strength of the welded plate. We can say that the embedments given in Table 1 of ESR‐2907 were determined in accordance with ACI 318 to develop the full strength of the anchor studs in tension. The allowable tension capacities in Table 2 are the stud strength based on Fy and Fu divided by a factor of safety of 4 for allowable stress design . The embedments in Table 3 were taken from tests in concrete at the stated embedment so we cannot say whether the full shear strength of the bar is developed.  2. Which AC was used to issue this report? The report does not state this information. Reply: The report holder was not interested in complying with IBC Section  1912, but preferred the less rigorous and more limited scope allowed in IBC Section 1911. Accordingly, we put together a plan that mirrored AC320, which is consistent with IBC Section 1911. That is what we used to evaluate the  anchor studs. We could not reference AC320 in the ESR 2907 since the product differs, but we applied the key technical requirements from AC320 in our evaluation.  I hope this is satisfactory. Let me know if you have additional questions. 

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 Sincerely,   Brian Gerber ICC-ES  From: Hussain Bhatia [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:36 AM To: Brian Gerber Subject: Nelson D2L ICC-ES 2907  Brian,     I have a couple of questions on deformed bar anchors that has come up on a project that I am reviewing.   

1. Can the welds on the deformed bar anchor develop the strength of the bar? From the capacities provided in ICC‐ES 2907 (converted to strength) it isn’t clear the bars can be developed.   

2. Which AC was used to issue this report? The report does not state this information.  Hussain Bhatia, Ph.D., S.E. Senior Structural Engineer OSHPD ‐ FDD ‐ North Region 400 R Street Suite 200 Sacramento CA 95811 916 440 8388 [email protected]