planning & paying for long term care
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“Planning & Paying for Long-Term Care”
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Our Goal for Today
• Frame the cost and impact of Long-Term Care planning
• Uncovering Options to Pay For Long-Term Care
– Life Insurance
– Veterans Benefits
– Long-Term Care Insurance
– Other Third-Party Payors
Presented by:
Patricia Servaes Founder of Elder Resource Benefits Consulting
Don Poole Co-Founder and Chief Marketing Officer Life Care Funding, LLC
Matt Murphy President Financial Health Services, LLC
What is Long Term Care?
Long-term care is a range of services and supports you may need to meet your personal care needs. Most long-term care is not medical care, but rather assistance with the basic personal tasks of everyday life, sometimes called Activities of Daily Living (ADLs), such as: Bathing Dressing Using the toilet Transferring (to or from bed or chair) Caring for incontinence Eating
70 percent of people over the age of 65 will need long term care services at some point in their lifetime http://longtermcare.gov/the-basics/what-is-long-term-care/
Cost of Long Term Care
• Cost can easily be the single largest lifetime expense of an individual
• Tool: www.genworth.com/costofcare
Impact of LTC on Care Recipient
Genworth Cost of Care Survey 2013 – ‘Beyond Dollars’ - The True Impact of Long Term Caring Report.
• 88% of Care Recipients said their household income was reduced by an average 34% due to their long term care event
• 63% Reduced their savings by an average 61%
• 49% Of care recipients had never considered the possibility of needing long term care
Impact of LTC on Primary Caregiver
Genworth Cost of Care Survey 2013 – ‘Beyond Dollars’ - The True Impact of Long Term Caring Report.
• 83% of Primary Caregivers Contributed financially to their loved-ones long term care — an average $8,800 for out-of-pocket care expenses (excludes cost of facility care)
• 42% of Primary Caregivers reported the care recipient lived in their home for 3 or
more years
• 63% of Primary Caregivers reported lost income — an average of 23% of household
income
Beyond the Dollars
“My wife had to be available 24/7. She also became
my chauffeur and needed to help me shower and
dress — to help me move at all, really. It impacted
her freedom and her lifestyle.”
“Anger at my sister and Brother for not helping more
with our mom... Stress with my Husband over how much of ‘our
personal time’ taking care of mom is taking up from our own lives.”
Paying for Long Term Care
• ‘Long term care can be expensive — and, typically, it's an out-of-pocket expense.’
• ‘The more you know about the options, however, the better choices you can make.’
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/long-term-care
Featured Speaker
Don Poole Co-Founder and Chief Marketing Officer Life Care Funding, LLC
www.lifecarefunding.com
(888) 670-7773
Life Care Funding
Allows Seniors to Convert a
Life Insurance Policy into a Life
Care Benefit Plan which is paid
directly to the care provider of
their choice.
-Private Duty Home Care
-Home Health Care
-Assisted Living
-Independent Living
-Skilled Nursing
-Related Services
According to Conning & Company:
"There are 150 million life
insurance policies in-force in the
United States of which senior
citizens own up to $500 Billion
worth of policies.”
88% of all policies issued will lapse
or be surrendered for little or no
value.
According to a 2007 GAO study:
38% of Medicaid applicants owned a
life insurance policy that needed to be
liquidated to qualify.
A Life Insurance Policy is legally
protected as personal property by
the US Supreme Court and the
policy holder has the guaranteed
right to use it to pay for Senior
Care.
“A Life Insurance Policy is
personal property just like a
home or stocks.”
Supreme Court case Grigsby v. Russell
(1911)
-Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes
Life Insurance needs are
based on Insurable Interest
Q: What was the Insurable
Interest you were trying to
protect when you bought
your Life Insurance Policy?
A: If a policy owner needs in
home care and no longer
needs or can not afford their
Life Insurance Policy, then
converting it to pay for Senior
Living should be considered.
Seniors have few options if they
do not need or can no longer
afford their Life Insurance
Policies:
- Continue paying premiums, keep
policy in-force so beneficiaries
can collect Tax Free, Probate
Free Death Benefit.
- Surrender the Policy back to the
Life Insurance Company:
Average Cash Surrender Value
4-6% of face; well below the
potential present day value.
- Stop paying premiums, Lapse or
Abandon the Life Insurance
Policy for No Value.
Key Components:
•Preserves Death Benefit over the
course of the spend down period
•Balance of Benefit paid to family if
senior dies before payout period
•Funds paid to care provider
through an FDIC Insured,
Irrevocable Benefit Account
•Keeps people off Medicaid,
Qualified Medicaid Spend-Down of
unprotected asset
•Any type/size Life Insurance
policies
•No cost or obligation to apply
•30 to 45 days to qualify
Life Care Funding Allows Seniors to Convert a Life
Insurance Policy into a Life Care Benefit
Plan which is paid directly to the care
provider of their choice.
Life Care Benefit Enrollment
Example #1
Case Study: 14793181H
Policy owner: 70 Male
Policy value: $250,000 (term)
Lapse Value: $0
Cash Value: $0
Life Care Benefit: $150,000 or
60% of death benefit
Case Study: 27785691A
Policy owner: 73 Female
Policy value: $100,000 (UL)
Lapse Value: $0
Cash Value: $0
Life Care Benefit: $35,000
or 35% of death benefit
Life Care Benefit Enrollment
Example #2
Seniors and their
families need to know
that if they own a Life
Insurance Policy they
can use it pay for
Private Duty Home
Care.
Policy Conversion Bills Based on Life Care Funding Program
Introduced to Legislatures as of September, 2013:
CA- SB 214
NY- A 7952
FL- HB 535
NJ- A 4168
KY- HB 314
LA- HB 545
ME- LD 1092
Legislative Activity to Educate and Inform
Texas HB2383
Signed into Law by
Gov. Rick Perry
June 14, 2013
Bills grant authority to the state Medicaid Departments to
educate citizens about the option to convert a life
insurance policy into a specifically configured Long Term
Care Benefit Plan as part of a Medicaid spend-down.
• Consumer: Use an asset they own and paid for over years
of premium payments to fund their Senior Care by
converting it into a Life Care Benefit Plan to help them stay
safely and comfortably in their homes, while preserving a
portion of the death benefit for the family.
• Senior Care Provider: Private Duty Home Care service
provider receives private pay funding for services over a
guaranteed time frame without disruption. (Increase
Revenue)
• Tax Payers: Keeps people private pay and off Medicaid.
Qualified spend-down of Life Insurance Policy to keep a
person private pay and delay entry onto Medicaid
generating considerable savings for tax payers.
Who Benefits and How?
It’s all about Options:
Educating Seniors and
their families about
how they can convert
their Life Insurance
Policy Death Benefit
into a Living Benefit to
remain safely and
comfortably in their
Homes.
www.lifecarefunding.com
(888) 670-7773
Featured Speaker:
Patricia Servaes Founder of Elder Resource Benefits Consulting
27 Confidential
Bringing the VA Benefit Home
Elder Resource Benefits Consulting is not a Veterans Services Organization
and is not affiliated with the VA
Veterans Administration - Aid & Attendance Pension
to assist wartime veterans and their surviving
spouses who:
Require the Aid & Attendance of another person to
assist with aspects of daily living.
As of November 2012
9 Million Veterans are over age 65 –
and this does not include their
Surviving Spouses This tax free benefit has been available since the early 1950s.
OVERVIEW
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THE MAXIMUM AWARD FOR 2013
A Surviving Spouse can receive up to
$1,113 per month
A Veteran can receive up to $1,732 per
month
A Veteran with a Spouse can receive up
to $2,054 per month
Well Veteran with an ill Spouse can
receive up to $1,360 per month
Once the applicant meets the disability criteria for A&A, the actual amount of the
original award is determined by their Monthly Financial Means Test 29
WHO IS A WARTIME VETERAN? To be considered a War Time Veteran, The Veteran needs to
have Served at least One Day during a Period of War
Periods of war for this benefit are:
World War II – Dec. 7, 1941, thru Dec. 31, 1946. Min 90 days active service
Korean War - June 27,1950, thru January 31,1955 Min 90 days active service
Vietnam War – Min 90 days active service
From Feb. 28, 1961 thru Aug.4, 1964 – only if
“in-country” of Vietnam
August 5, 1964, and ending on May 7, 1975 –
no matter where in the world you served
Persian Gulf War - August 2, 1990, through date to Min 2 years active service
be prescribed by Presidential proclamation or law – should be soon!
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WHO IS A SURVIVING SPOUSE? Someone who was married to
the Veteran at the time of his death
What if the person was married to a veteran, he died
and she remarried a non-veteran or divorced a
veteran?
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MEDICAL REQUIREMENT
You must need the assistance of
another person with
Activities of Daily Living
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THE INCOME TEST
What is Income?
Income, for the most part, is everything most of us
think of as income –
So do we all agree we know what
income is? 33
Well That’s Not It !
Income For VA Purposes:
Income MINUS
Regularly Occurring, Unreimbursed
Medical Expenses
as long as you meet the Criteria for Aid and
Attendance 34
THE INCOME TEST - EXAMPLE
$3,000 Income per month
$4,000 per month – HC cost
$-1,000 income for VA Purposes
- If your Income for VA purposes is $0 or Negative, there
is potential for the full Monthly Amount
- If the HC Cost is $2,000 your VA income is $1,000,
Subtract the $1,000 from the maximum award for an
approximate VA benefit
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AGING IN PLACE
If our Applicant had $25,000 in assets & $1,000 in
additional monthly expenses - they would be out of
assets in 12.5 months or 1.04 years – but with the
benefit there assets would last:
2.35 years for the Surviving Spouse
3.26 years for the Well Vet ill Spouse
7.80 years for the Single Veteran
And we would have positive cash flow
for our married Veteran
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THE ASSET TEST The Asset Limit is determined by each individual’s
situation
The largest amount of assets that an individual had
in their own name that ERBC successfully helped get
the award was $248,000 – but that is a rarity!
Most people seem to be able to be between $120,000
to $150,000 – although some can only have much
less
The important thing to remember is this is not a Yes or
No Award, it is If and When.
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MYTH BUSTERS Do you know…
…that there is no $80,000 asset limit?
…that when a veteran or spouse is in a nursing home
on Medicaid the non-Medicaid spouse may still get
the full benefit at Home?
…that a veteran living at home whose wife is receiving
Home Care may still qualify for $1,360 per month?
Thanks to ERBC, Now You Do! 38
Matt Murphy President, Financial Health Services, LLC
Featured Speaker:
Our Mission
Financial Health Services (“FHS”)
helps seniors
pay for long term care.
25+ years providing services in the non-medical home care
900+ current clients (care recipients)
150+ third party payor relationships
100+ non-medical home care providers
20+ employees HQ in Plymouth Meeting, PA
About Us
Overview
Third Party Payor Services
Expertise Works with all types of third party payors
e.g. long term care insurance, government, non-profit, hospice
Administrative convenience Allows care recipients and care providers to focus exclusively on care
Cash flow benefit to your clients No to little out of pocket impact Fees paid by third party payor
Ensures regulatory compliance
Easy Pay
Offers Administrative Convenience
Overcome the 2-check objection Mitigate collection risk
FHS accepts most forms of payment
i.e., ACH, Visa, MC, Check
Economics
5% of the sum of caregiver fee + the office fee
• Long Term Care Planning affects the entire family
• The cost of Long-Term Care is high
Key Takeaways