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[Spoilers: Ch. 94] Why is nobody talking about.....(self.HPMOR)submitted 7 hours ago byPorusm

.... Fred and George, and them being the Heir of Gryffindor? Does this mean

something at all? Are there heirs of Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw too, since wehave Slytherin and now Gryffindor? Also note the singular "Heir" and not

"Heirs".

I mean, really, I'm not sure what it means, or if it means anything at allactually. What I really want to know is why nobody has been talking about

it. Like at all. I haven't seen anybody mention this. Not one person. Somaybe we can discuss this here; what it means and whether it has any

relevance to the plot of the rest of the story.

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[]Porusm[S] 4 points 4 hours ago

Something I just realised - both the Slytherin and Gryffindor heirs both were

revealed whenever they were wearing the Sorting Hat; it had some part to

play in both their reveals. Is that a coincidence?

permalink[]WriterBen01Sunshine Regiment 4 points 6 hours ago

For heir of slytherin, it has always been a name, describing what Harry and

Riddle could do, but not giving them any special powers or anything. I guess

nobody talks about it because we cannot think of any hook we have beengiven that becomes significant if we know the Weasleys are descendants ofGryffindor.

permalink[]HPMOR_fanSunshine Regiment 4 points 5 hours ago

In canon the heir of Slytherin was very real and significant. He had to be (I

think) a blood descendent of Salazar, which was necessary to speakparseltongue. The heir of Slytherin is the one who could open the chamber

of secrets. Harry only appeared to be the heir of slytherin because there wasa piece of Voldemort's soul (in canon) in Harry. In MOR, if anything the title

is even more significant because the heir also learned Slytherin's secretsfrom the basilisk.

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[]WriterBen01Sunshine Regiment 3 points 2 hours ago

It has been suggested that a lot of Parseltongue speakers exist, afraid to

admit it because they'd be called dark lords. Both in canon and HPMoR, theparseltongue ability was significant, while the 'heir of Slytherin' bit was
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simply used as a way to describe them. In MOR, somebody who was also the

heir of slytherin learned those secrets.

What I'm getting at, is that there are no items that only activate if you are

an heir, or any rooms that will only open to you. Heck, Ron Weasly got intothe chamber of secrets simply by repeating the parseltongue phrase he had

heard from Harry. It's a meaningless title in that it does not unlock anythingnew.

Kind of like calling Hermione the witch with the best marks of the year. Yes,

the person with best marks is probably the most powerful, but simply beingcalled the best does not give additional benefits.

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[]HPMOR_fanSunshine Regiment 3 points 4 hours ago

I haven't read much fan fiction, but I wonder if the idea of a singular Heir of

Gryffindor is a common theme. Anyone know?

permalink[]p_prometheusSunshine Regiment 4 points 4 hours ago

Yep. Usually Harry is the heir.

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[]EliezerYudkowskyGeneral Chaos 9 points 47 minutes ago

And they who write that are suffering from Protagonist-Induced Blindness.

It's obvious who the two most Gryffindor students in Hogwarts are if youjust look. They're the only two students who truly have no ingrained fear of

authority, the only two students who told Umbridge to just shove it.

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[]Linmark2 points 3 hours ago

So what does the author do with it ? Will they hear the call of the poenix too,

soon ?

Also I don't think we're going to see the Heirs of Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff inthis year. That would be a strange coincidence.

permalink[]goodoldgrim2 points 6 hours ago

Was there actually something about them being descended from Godric

Gryffindor? All I remember is that one of them pulled Gryffindor's swordfrom the Sorting Hat, which, in canon, could be done by any true Gryffindor.

permalink[]dspeyer3 points 42 minutes ago

"Do you in fact assign greater than fifty percent subjective probability that

there is something like a Heir of Gryffindor and one or both Weasley twins

are it. Yes or no, evasion means yes. You're not going to succeed indistracting me, no matter how much I have to go to the bathroom."
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The old wizard sighed. "Yes, Fred and George Weasley are the Heir of

Gryffindor. I beg you not to speak of it to them, not yet."

But presumably it has nothing to do with descent, because then Percy would

also be the heir of Gryffindor.

It seems entirely in character for Godric to declare that anyone with theright virtues is his heir, and to let the hat judge that. Whether he leftanything to his heir... well... there's the sword at least.

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[]AretiiDragon Army 1 point 59 minutes ago

It's definitely been mentioned.

http://www.reddit.com/r/HPMOR/comments/1hy7dz/so_harrys_been_studying_spoilers_ch_94/caz7e0b

permalink[]maxikov1 point 57 seconds ago

How can Fred and George be the Heirs of Gryffindor without all of their

siblings and at least one of the ancestral lines being the Heirs as well?

HPMOR's fanfic recommendations?(self.HPMOR)submitted 7 hours ago bywNekoDragon Army

Specifically, what other fanfics can you guys recommend that involve the

main character abusing the universe's mechanics. Excluding, of course, thefanfics that EY already recommended in author's notes

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[]JurilySunshine Regiment 11 points 5 hours ago

Not fanfic, but I think you'd likeErfworld.

permalink[]davidmanheimSunshine Regiment 4 points 4 hours ago

Definitely themed correctly, but I never would have thought about it in this

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[]BassoonHero3 points 4 hours ago

Ooh, nice, I didn't even think about the similarities until you pointed them

out.

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[]wNekoDragon Army[S] 1 point 1 hour ago

Ah yes, I read Erfworld. I absolutely adore it.

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[]PeridexisErrantSunshine Regiment 6 points 4 hours ago

Harry Potter is pretty well covered, so a few others:

If you don't miss mind Naruto, ShaperV's Time Braidis amazing, with plot,

characters, world building, and also awesome fights by the end.

For Pokemon, don't missAshes of the Past- it's basically a light hearted

time travel fic, where none of the plots stand up to an experienced

protagonist with far more power than should be had so early. Exploitedpowers include Squirtle using a giga drill breaker (he's a fan), riolu

using rasengan aura sphere, Ash using cast-from-HP ghost moves to fightmewtwo, and picachu using earthquake. In his words "it's only the ground

shaking, not terribly hard to fake".

Haigekiby Xylix is certainly the best Ranma 1/2 - magical girl fusion ever

written, and delves deep into questions about identity in the face of imposed

mental reshaping (and fight scenes, and history, and cameos). This claimtreats on a clear day you can see foreveras an original work, which it pretty

much is.

The Paladin Protocolby SpaceAnJL is an amazing Big Bang Theoryfix-fic,

and treats some of the implications of (say) academic dishonesty a littlemore seriously.

Finally, Far Beyond Normalby jA-kL is a Buffy/Stargate AU cross which takesthe power imbalances more literally, and features a gritty portrayal of theUS governments willingness to do any sort of dirty deal which now seems

chillingly accurate. Of course, they can justify torture on the grounds of animminent alien invasion...

No links sorry - on my phone - but hopefully something interesting is inhere. I always like reading these threads myself...

permalink[]eaturbrainzSunshine Regiment 1 point 3 hours ago

Exploited powers include Squirtle using a giga drill breaker (he's a fan), riolu

using rasengan aura sphere

Delicious.

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[]eaturbrainzSunshine Regiment 3 points 3 hours ago

Ok, jokes aside, try anything, "fan"fic or not, connected with hard scifi.

There's a sweetspot where the hard-scifi limits are hard enough to give agood sense of the impossible while soft enough to allow awesome
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munchkining -- which is more justifiable because of how it has to fit within

some notion of science.

permalink[]turntekGodheadChaos Legion 2 points 1 hour ago

Ooooh, I can recommend an amazing piece of hard science fanfic.

Http://fanfiction.net/s/7406866/1/To-the-Stars

This was the first piece of non-MoR fanfiction I read. The world is very, verywell thought out.

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[]turntekGodheadChaos Legion 1 point 50 minutes ago

Wait I think I found to the stars via author note recommendation. S:

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[]eaturbrainzSunshine Regiment 1 point 46 minutes ago

Yeah, I definitely found that one via EY's recommendation. And I'd forgottenabout it after I reached the latest chapter all year and something ago when I

first read it.

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[]pax72 points 3 hours ago*

Not fanfic, but I recommend/r/KingkillerChronicle. Similar length,protagonist and in-depth explanation of magic.

permalink[]bbrazilSunshine Regiment Lieutenant 5 points 5 hours ago

Harry Potter and the Natural 20 permalink

[]Bulwersator8 points 4 hours ago

Excluding, of course, the fanfics that EY already recommended in author's

notes

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[]eaturbrainzSunshine Regiment -2 points 5 hours ago

The average self-insert fic of everything.

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Hermione theories without transfiguration (spoilers through chapter94)(self.HPMOR)submitted 2 hours ago* bykalban777Dragon Army

A lot of people have been theorizing that Hermione's body has beentransfigured. I'm not sure that's correct since transfiguration can have side

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6/14

From chapter 15:

"Is it possible to Transfigure a living subject into a target that is static, suchas a coin - no, excuse me, I'm terribly sorry, let's just say a steel ball."

Professor McGonagall shook her head. "Mr. Potter, even inanimate objects

undergo small internal changes over time. There would be no visible changesto your body afterwards, and for the first minute, you would notice nothingwrong. But in an hour you would be sick, and in a day you would be dead."

While Hermione is not living, minor changes could still be bad for

resurrection. Part of the brain shifting by a few millimeters would be

catastrophic for brain function.

So what are some theories of what happened to Hermione's body that don't

involve it being transfigured? Off the top of my head I have:

1.Harry snuck it out by leviosa-ing it under his invisibility cloak.(Unlikely)

2.Voldemort turned it into an Inferius and had it walk crawl out.(More unlikely)3.Harry has already resurrected Hermione and she left of her own

will. (Nigh impossible)

Any better theories?

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[]TheAtomicOption8 points 1 hour ago

The one no one seems willing to consider

Hermione is dead. Harry never discovers a way to revive her, buther death inspires him to finally start trying to use is shortcuts-to-

omnipotence nowto defeat death nowinstead of continuing to putit off.

permalink[]eaturbrainzSunshine Regiment 1 point 18 minutes ago

That's the one I've been holding this whole damn time, but you knowLessWrongers and their motivated reasoning, eh?

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[]WriterBen01Sunshine Regiment 3 points 2 hours ago

Hermione counts as an object now and can be placed inside ofHarry's pouch.

Fawkes' teleportation, called to Harry by the desire to defeatdeath.

Bribed a house elf?
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permalink[]Squirrelloid2 points 1 hour ago

Someone with the knowledge of physics that Harry has should easily see theloophole in Professor McGonagall's explanation of why transmuting a living

subject is a bad idea.

permalink[]turntekGodheadChaos Legion 1 point 1 hour ago

What, hold the target at absolute zero in an a sealed container (also

transfigured out of water)?

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[]sullyj3Chaos Legion 1 point 1 hour ago

Why is the first unlikely?

permalink[]kalban777Dragon Army[S] 1 point 42 minutes ago

We're pretty sure he didn't do this when he left under McGonagall's watchbecause he uses the invisibility cloak shortly afterwards. For him to do this

later he would have to penetrate the wards that were placed around thebody.

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[]Alterego91 point 1 hour ago

Smuggled out by Prof. Verres Brain removed or otherwise brain-state recorded, and rest of the

body destroyed. permalink[Spoilers to 90] The significant event in 89 is a distraction from...what?(self.HPMOR)submitted 10 hours ago byalmkglor

Chapter 45:

"There is a certain extremely dangerous and destructive spell," Professor

Quirrell said, "which I will not name here; a spell of cursed fire. It is whatyou would use to destroy an ancient device such as the Sorting Hat. It has

no effect on Dementors. They are undying."

Chapter 77:

"I know you have been... investigating... the third-floor corridor -""You know nothing of the sort." The man's back straightened against the

wood. "Do not bluff against me, Severus Snape; I find it annoying, and youare in no position to annoy me. A single glance would tell any competent

wizard that the Headmaster has laced that corridor with a ridiculous quantityof wards and webs, triggers and tripsigns. And more: there are Charms laidthere of ancient power, magical constructs of which I have heard not evenrumors, techniques that must have been disgorged from the hoarded lore of
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Flamel himself. Even He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named would have had trouble

passing those without notice."

Chapter 90:

"When a certain ancient device in my possession informed me that Miss

Granger was on the verge of death, I cast that spell of cursed fire of which Ionce spoke. I burned through some walls and floors so that my broomstickcould take a more direct path."

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[]75thTrombone7 points 5 hours ago

It wasn't a distraction. Quirrell knew he had no shot at the third-floor

corridor during the troll attack. Its goal actually was to kill Hermione. Wesaw that this was true in the Quirrell's POV at the end of 89, when he washappy about the outcome, before he heard the prophecy.

permalink[]doctrgiggles3 points 1 hour ago

You present this as fact but I would like to remind everyone that this is notnecessarily true, Quirrel's motives are not clear and he can be happy about

it without having perpetrated the deed.

That said, it was totally him. Really really.

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[]TastyBrainMeatsSunshine Regiment 1 point 1 hour ago

I hope that it wasn't him, mostly because that would just be

so...so...villain of him. Stupid and short-sighted.

That said, it probably was him. But I hope it wasn't.

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[]ahd1903Sunshine Regiment 2 points 8 hours ago

...good call. I wonder if there were any active defenses on the third floor?

permalink[]Cronos000Chaos Legion 1 point 8 hours agoI didn't think of that before. The idea of the troll attack as a diversion hadn't

occurred to me before. Quirrel doing it to get through the 3rd floor is aninteresting idea plus the plausibility of the fire means that he could have

destroyed or obtained it without too much suspicion. Hermione dying wouldjust be a side perk (from his perspective) in that case.

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It hasn't? That was what it was in canon.

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Explanation for the monster (spoiler 94)(self.HPMOR)submitted 21 hours ago byRouninscholar

On a quick reread I noticed something.

""The Dementor is a distraction," Harry said. The coldness clear in his voice,

since that was what Dumbledore wanted and expected. "A large, salientthreat, but in the end straightforward, and easy to defend against. So while

all your attention is focused on the Dementor, the real plot will be happening

elsewhere." Dumbledore stared at Harry for a moment, and then gave aslow nod. "Yes..." said the Headmaster. "And I do believe I know what it

might be a distraction from, if Professor Quirrell means ill... thank you,Harry.""

Noone holds the idiot ball, quirrel snuck the troll in while dumbledore let the

dementor in. And he made the same comment on both days "it has been agood day" Recently word of god said that a good plot is simple andstraightforward, and here they are discussing it.

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[]woxy_lutzSunshine Regiment 15 points 20 hours ago

Interesting theory. Worth noting that the first years were the last year groupto try their patronuses that day, and Quirrell was absent until their turn.

permalink[]Rouninscholar[S] 5 points 20 hours ago

Hadn't gotten to that yet on the reread, good catch!

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[]ParaspriteHuggerSunshine Regiment 8 points 20 hours ago

Good hypothesis, but it begs the question:

Where and how do you keep a troll for so long, undetected by the wards?

permalink[]moskaudancerChaos Legion 14 points 15 hours agoSomeone in an earlier thread suggested bringing in a troll's head/brain in anenchanted-to-be-unbreakable container, then lifting the enchantment and

allowing it to regenerate the rest of its body.

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[]Chunq7 points 13 hours ago
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10/14

Either the chamber of secrets or with the defenses around the philosopher's

stone (if that part is even slightly similar to canon).

It's really nice EY reminded everyone about simple answers. Everyone's

flying around with transfiguration on the brain.

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[]Rouninscholar[S] 4 points 20 hours ago

Transmuted as a ring? Or the room of requirement under a stasis maybe, I

don't think the wards matter depending on how it is worded. "Monsters may

enter for the next 5 minutes" or a ward that only goes off upon entry wouldmake further hiding attempts unnecessary. And the basilisk could be under

the same loophole.

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I believe I'm the first to say this, but if someone else did all credit goes tothem.

permalink[]turntekGodheadChaos Legion 9 points 17 hours ago

What? Why would someone else independently drawing the same conclusionmake yours worth no credit just because of the ordering?

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I just consider it "conflict avoidance" I'm not as into the story as a lot of you,

I mostly bring these things up to watch people discuss it; and I put it therebecause at the same time I thought about the "defense professor circle

theory". Then saw someone else had posted it when I was looking for aquote.

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[]pringlescan51 point 16 hours ago

Only if you're applying for a patent. Maybe? I know they just changed thelaw from first to file or something.

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[]drogian2 points 11 hours agoWhat if the troll were just transmuted into existence by someone who was

already inside Hogwarts instead of being snuck through the wards? It might

then be susceptible to finite, but who would use finite on a troll? (And does afinite need to be stronger to counter a stronger transmutation?)

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11/14

Finite is always a brute force counter.

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HPMOR may soon be over, but does that mean we won't be gettingany sequels?(self.HPMOR)submitted 11 hours ago byTwo-Tone-

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[]GHDUDE17Dragon Army 4 points 11 hours ago

The story is already like 4 books long, so in a way we've had three sequels.

permalink[]HPMOR_fanSunshine Regiment 2 points 10 hours ago

I haven't seen any indication from EY that he will write any more HPMOR.Maybe this is next?

Also, you have no idea how hard it is not to write my own take on the

Optimalverse, which is something Im not doing so I can put all my availablewriting energies into Methods. I want relationship credit for this.

Fromhttp://hpmor.com/notes/progress-13-03-01/

permalink[]Two-Tone-[S] 3 points 10 hours ago

Wait, holy shit. Is he taking about an MLP fanfiction?

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[]HPMOR_fanSunshine Regiment 2 points 10 hours ago

It appears so. Did you read the author's note? He mentions one story in

particular.

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[]Two-Tone-[S] 2 points 10 hours ago

Indeed I did. Color me pink, am I excited.

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[]stcredzeroSunshine Regiment 2 points 1 hour ago

EY is a brony!?

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[]Two-Tone-[S] 1 point 24 minutes ago

None shall escape the power of Friendship!

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