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THE MAKING OF A NEW NIGERIA:Nigeria at 50 - What is urgent to be done, when and how?

HIGH POINTS IN OUR LAST DISCUSSION

Unfinished edition MNN July 2010

As Nigeria celebrates in grand style her 50th anniversary, the question many are

asking is - how far have we come, what have we done and what haven't we done, is

there any pressing need to be met before the clock strikes? And if there is, what

is it - how and when do we meet it?

[7/30/10 10:23:21 PM] abiri tosin: i think what we should all start to talk about is howdo we get Nigerians to all share a common vision and share common commitment.

the issues are the THE ACT OF COMMON VISION IS GONE, AND THE SYSTEMS

LACKS COMMON COMMITMENT.

[7/30/10 10:21:26 PM] Nelson Kehinde: we have to be positive and sincere, Nigerianeeds us all

[7/30/10 10:21:59 PM] Nelson Kehinde: no matter the contribution, because whatever

i build today might not be for me, but surely it will be for a greater Nigeria in the

future.

[7/30/10 10:22:40 PM] Nelson Kehinde: the big issue with Nigeria is segregation

[7/30/10 10:23:21 PM] Nelson Kehinde: where u apply fpr a job and in ur CV u have to

write ur LG,State of Origin ,language , things like that need to be scrap.

[7/30/10 10:25:10 PM] Nelson Kehinde: Things in Nigeria cannot be urgently done , bcos

it will be castatrophy as usual, what Nigeria needs to start is from home... charity

begins at home , i mean the smallest unit of every Nigeria is the home , FAMILY

[7/30/10 10:26:08 PM] Bontee: @simplicity . . .I think it will be better if we take it

down to the individual and not the family level.

[7/30/10 10:26:12 PM] Nelson Kehinde: about how far have we come is not really an

issue , .. what we should focus pls is where we are heading to

[7/30/10 10:26:56 PM] Nelson Kehinde: family is very important , bcos when the parentsteach their siblings love , then that will go round the nation.

[7/30/10 10:27:03 PM] Nelson Kehinde: Nigeria lack tru love

[7/30/10 10:28:07 PM] Bontee: Can we forget about how far we have come because that

is a very shameful situation we don't want to whine about here. We should begin by

assessing where we are at the moment and chart a road for the future.

[7/30/10 10:28:10 PM] Nelson Kehinde: I magine a Nation where IBB said no Youth canrule Nigeria

[7/30/10 10:29:41 PM] Ernest: i think the youth of Nigeria have sold their birthright topleasures


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[7/30/10 10:29:50 PM] Bontee: @Simplisity . . . I said the individual at the moment

because they are the one to begin the process of change then we can take it to the

family and other levels who are going to nurture the foundation we are laying right now.

[7/30/10 10:30:21 PM] Nelson Kehinde: the foundation u are laying my end up only onthis computer chat room

[7/30/10 10:30:41 PM] Nelson Kehinde: that is the biggest issue about progress in

Nigeria ;;; the lips

[7/30/10 10:31:28 PM] elohor10: encouraging people to vote and guarding our votes

[7/30/10 10:33:59 PM] Nelson Kehinde: first of all we need total overhauling of all

sectors in Nigeria

[7/30/10 10:34:05 PM] My NEW Nigeria: The simple issue we should be talking about is

what are the pressing things we need to get right now

[7/31/10 8:20:32 AM] wieldrub: I have seen what you wrote but I remember that

before I was logged out... I said that the greatest problem of this country is

Patriotism, that can only come through well thought Ideology....

[7/30/10 10:35:17 PM] Ali Yakasai: i think we need to have short term and long term

missions

[7/31/10 8:21:47 AM] elohor10: We have to change our mentality.

[7/31/10 8:22:41 AM] wieldrub: @elohor, while I was in Junior secondary school...

I formed a group we call Global youth alliance for Peace and change

[7/31/10 8:22:59 AM] wieldrub: and for me these are two issues the world need

as a whole

[7/30/10 10:42:00 PM] My NEW Nigeria: We are suppose to be doing a critical analysis

of how far we ve gone as a country till date and what are the pressing issues that

needs to solved before the our 50th day anniversary

[7/31/10 8:23:57 AM] wieldrub: Peace cannot be achieved without change ofattitude, while change cannot come in an atmostphere of War

7/30/10 10:43 PM Paul Nwamadi: number one is stable electricity for productivity of

small and big businesses

[7/30/10 10:45:01 PM] Nelson Kehinde: We cant keep feeding the philosphy of two

Nigerias and expect to make progress. Consider this-how can you make progress with

your brother when he is pulling in one direction and you the opposite direction? If the

old guard have chosen that destiny for themselves, the youth ought to chart a new

course. You shouldn't be ...a Northerner or Southerner 1st. You must be a Nigerian 1st.That's how to build a country.Nasir


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[7/31/10 8:25:24 AM] jamezin04: We should make nigerians to see reasons whythey have to be patriotic.

[7/30/10 10:47:06 PM] Nelson Kehinde: a Nigerian where people should see beyound

North and South , .. Nigeria problem is not electricity , is the people itself

[7/30/10 10:47:44 PM] Nelson Kehinde: we have to build the individual

[7/31/10 8:26:11 AM] My NEW Nigeria (2): Can you highlight those reasons alittle

bit further, Jamez?

[7/30/10 10:47:45 PM] abiri tosin:


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[7/30/10 10:50:23 PM] Nelson Kehinde: and even some schools have indigene fees andnon indigenes fee in the same school

[7/30/10 10:50:32 PM] My NEW Nigeria: Where is the place of Education in all of this ?

[7/30/10 10:50:42 PM] Ernest: we are not hear to talk about the Nigerian

problems.every average Nigerians know the Nigerian problem.we should be discussion on

how we can solve this problems by making diffierent analysis on the best effective and

efficient way

[7/31/10 8:33:10 AM] wieldrub: No Jamez, it is my ultimate goal to make

Nigerians see that Nigeria Can only work if we believe in her

[7/31/10 8:33:41 AM] jamezin04: But we don't believe in her on a collective level.

[7/31/10 8:35:44 AM] jamezin04: When i was in the university, instead of us to

all work as one nigerian some people are trying to make us compete based on the

tribal levels. That's the root cause of our division because we owe our patriotism

along tribal lines instead of to the country first.

[7/30/10 10:50:44 PM] Bontee: At the end of the day we all still comeback to the

conclusion that the individual is the most important problem we have to tackle.

[7/30/10 10:50:44 PM] Oluwashoneils: the problem has been stated above:

PATRIOTISM

[7/30/10 10:50:53 PM] abiri tosin: [2:49:39 Ale] wieldrub: Paul, I will not agree that

electricity is the greatest problem... rather Idiology and Patriotism


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[7/31/10 8:40:34 AM] wieldrub: Then that is where attitudinal change comes in...

but it has to start with someone... that is what the president is doing. He is

leading the way... that is why we have the reason to discuss... He re engineeredit

[7/30/10 10:52:48 PM] abiri tosin: [2:50:20 Ale] My NEW Nigeria: Where is the place

of Education in all of this


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[7/30/10 10:58:35 PM] Nelson Kehinde: so what is the education here ,

[7/30/10 10:58:47 PM] Nelson Kehinde: Nigeria need technical knowlegde

[7/30/10 10:58:50 PM] My NEW Nigeria: How can we channel our education to making

people productive ?

[7/31/10 8:48:09 AM] My NEW Nigeria: [7/30/10 10:59:02 PM] Nelson Kehinde:

Technical and production

[7/30/10 10:59:19 PM] Nelson Kehinde: to work with the hands not with the pen

[7/31/10 8:48:24 AM] My NEW Nigeria: [7/30/10 10:59:20 PM] Bontee: You

cannot channel them to be productive if the education is not worth it in the first

place.

[7/30/10 10:59:42 PM] Nelson Kehinde: the richest people in where i reside today are

farmers

[7/30/10 11:00:00 PM] Nelson Kehinde: and never depend on the Govt

[7/30/10 11:00:20 PM] Nelson Kehinde: Nigerians should stop relying too much on Govt

[7/30/10 11:00:28 PM] Ernest: America today was build by enterpreneurs

[7/30/10 11:00:38 PM] Nelson Kehinde: and let the Govt rely on us

[7/30/10 11:00:41 PM] Paul Nwamadi: the country currilum must be design to solved theproblem of unemployment in nigeria and it be structured to including work base

[7/30/10 11:00:46 PM] My NEW Nigeria: lets not go back to the problems

[7/30/10 11:01:18 PM] Bontee: [12:59:55 AM] Nelson Kehinde: the richest people in

where i reside today are farmers and never depend on the Govt


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[7/30/10 11:02:47 PM] Nelson Kehinde: the structures normally should have started

from the youths , but it has to be the reverse case , the leaders now , how do we plead

their case

[7/30/10 11:03:41 PM] Nelson Kehinde: MNN the leaders come abroad and experienceeverything here , so saying anything to them make no difference

[7/30/10 11:04:14 PM] Nelson Kehinde: every votes counts

[7/30/10 11:04:23 PM] Nelson Kehinde: one person one vote

[7/30/10 11:04:46 PM] Paul Nwamadi: The vocation institution should be encourage to

people accquire skills in the primary, secondary and higher institutions

[7/30/10 11:05:09 PM] Ernest: The government of Nigerian should be able to set up anorganisation which will mobilised and support this talented young individuals to carry out

different projects which could help build the nation

[7/30/10 11:05:26 PM] Ernest: we shouldnt rely on petroleum revenue alone.

[7/30/10 11:05:46 PM] abiri tosin: [3:04:02 Ale] Nelson Kehinde: every votes counts

one person one vote


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[7/30/10 11:08:27 PM] abiri tosin: @Nelson, every successful nation was built on a

structure that ensured common vision is shared within the people of a nation . . .. so do

you think we have one?? thats my question, and do you think our nation can be successfulwithout one??

[7/30/10 11:08:42 PM] Ernest: how is it possible for the monkey to vote withing the

lions kindred.we voted for them but our vote wasnt counted

[7/30/10 11:09:01 PM] Bontee: So what is the vision everyone thinks nigeria should chartand follow?

[7/30/10 11:09:02 PM] Nelson Kehinde: for sure we don't have one , because our

ideologies are totally different and people are finding it to adapt

[7/30/10 11:09:18 PM] My NEW Nigeria: We need solutions not problems :)

[7/30/10 11:09:29 PM] Nelson Kehinde: solutions is part of the problems

[7/30/10 11:09:37 PM] My NEW Nigeria: How do we correct these defects

[7/30/10 11:10:01 PM] My NEW Nigeria: How Nelson ??

[7/30/10 11:10:02 PM] Nelson Kehinde: cos the solution to a part is the problem of

another part .. there should be no division inNigeria

[7/30/10 11:10:22 PM] Nelson Kehinde: UNITED NIGERIA

[7/30/10 11:10:23 PM] abiri tosin: [3:08:51 Ale] Nelson Kehinde: for sure we don't have

one , because our ideologies are totally different and people are finding it to adapt


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[7/30/10 11:12:31 PM] Nelson Kehinde: let me say presently my kids , i intentionally

didn't give them traditional names , just english , cos i don't want any one to associate

them to any particuilar tribe back home , cos it's a problem over in Nigeria , wit urnames there know which state or locality u from

[7/30/10 11:12:37 PM] abiri tosin: [3:11:47 Ale] My NEW Nigeria: So far so good; we

have mentioned electricity, unified Nigeria, Ideology ??


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[7/30/10 11:16:59 PM] Nelson Kehinde: compare to some Nations , i am still very proudof Nigeria , Corruption is the main problem we face in Nigeria

[7/30/10 11:17:26 PM] Nelson Kehinde: been scared is not discipline

[7/30/10 11:17:34 PM] My NEW Nigeria: Lets do it this way, one after the

other, if we have are giving the opportunity to meet with the president face to

face, could you please list four things you will ask the president to fix ?

[7/30/10 11:17:37 PM] Ernest: curruption is a typical problem of every developing

country like Nigeria

[7/30/10 11:19:00 PM] Nelson Kehinde: Corruption .. Production , Unification ( one

Nigeria) , justice

[7/30/10 11:20:02 PM] My NEW Nigeria: Please try to expanciate by way of

suggesting ways to combat the menace

[7/30/10 11:21:13 PM] abiri tosin: Mr. Moderator, realistically, i would not really care

about the president now, what i do really care about is how to get people to understand

where to look and what to look for

[7/30/10 11:23:31 PM] Ernest: Nigerians are known to be very hardworking and

enterprising people.Give Nigeria electricity and watch Nigerian develop into a mega

economy like China.watch the crime rate,curruption rate,educational problem draw to an

end.Nigerians are known to be very hardworking and enterprising people.Give Nigeriaelectricity and watch Nigerian develop into a mega economy like China.watch the crime

rate,curruption rate,educational problem draw to an end.

[7/30/10 11:23:50 PM] abiri tosin: i think the whole revolution should be more of abottom-top approach!!!

[7/30/10 11:25:05 PM] abiri tosin: [3:23:28 Ale] Bontee: @tosin . . . Lets forget the

president for now and identify the issues we need to tackle in other to move forward as

a nation.


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[7/30/10 11:25:20 PM] My NEW Nigeria: Dont you guys think we as individuals

should also be involved

[7/30/10 11:25:29 PM] Ernest: how?

[7/30/10 11:25:35 PM] Nelson Kehinde: we are involve that is why we are all here now

[7/30/10 11:25:50 PM] Ernest: yes,u are right

[7/30/10 11:26:10 PM] My NEW Nigeria: i mean outside this forum also

[7/30/10 11:27:14 PM] Bontee: @ernest . . .we don't want this movement to end here onskype and facebook.

[7/30/10 11:27:30 PM] My NEW Nigeria: for example Nelson, what effort haveyou made you to see that tribalism is eliminated or reduced ?

[7/30/10 11:27:48 PM] Nelson Kehinde: i started from my family

[7/30/10 11:27:59 PM] Nelson Kehinde: by not giving my children traditional names

[7/30/10 11:28:09 PM] Paul Nwamadi: every nation is corrupt. my list are good

leadership, improvement of infrastructure such electricity etc., restructure of

educational systems cirrilumum to solve the umeployment problem in nigeria by


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encouraging vocational training in primary, secondary and higher institutions, and finallymake INEC independent and not seeking help from government to survival

[7/30/10 11:29:07 PM] Ernest: yes,i understand what you mean,but how do we ourself

act individually or in a group to see to a positive result of this result.when there is nolink between the leaders and the individual masses

[7/30/10 11:29:17 PM] Nelson Kehinde: but that the govt can't control

[7/30/10 11:29:21 PM] Bontee: @Tosin . . . . i have seen the picture, option c is very right

for us as a nation but i am more inclined towards the country A because our leaders are

let down. we should be the one controlling the government only if we can have the

multitude on our side.

[7/30/10 11:30:19 PM] Ernest: Over here in Finland where i live,people are known withtheir social security number and not by their tribe or religion even though Finland is a

bilingual country.there is no act of tribalism

[7/30/10 11:31:29 PM] abiri tosin:


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[7/30/10 11:37:55 PM] Ali Yakasai: @ Abiri....what ideology suits Nigeria?

[7/30/10 11:38:23 PM] Nelson Kehinde: late IDIAGBON Ideology

[7/30/10 11:38:36 PM] My NEW Nigeria: Its ok abiri

[7/30/10 11:38:58 PM] abiri tosin: [3:38:12 Ale] Nelson Kehinde: late IDIAGBON

Ideology


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3. United Nigeria4. Restructing Our education5. Orientation6. Corruption7. Justice8. Production9. Equality10. Electricity

[7/30/10 11:51:13 PM] Nelson Kehinde: During Idiagbon period , my father has to run

from the country cos he was scared , cos he acquired too much for himself

[7/30/10 11:51:46 PM] Nelson Kehinde: and my cousin bought a car then and hid it , cos

he don't want the govt to know , but now anybody can buy and use what they like

[7/30/10 11:52:14 PM] Nelson Kehinde: a constable in the police uses a car of 2 million

[7/30/10 11:52:25 PM] Nelson Kehinde: how did they afford that

[7/30/10 11:52:29 PM] abiri tosin: [3:50:30 Ale] Ali Yakasai: mr Nelson mention

Idiagbon regime and it is exactly what Nigerian need


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[7/30/10 11:54:48 PM] Paul Nwamadi: during idiagbon price of food items and otherthings dropped for the first time

[7/30/10 11:54:53 PM] My NEW Nigeria: thanks everybody for your contributions

so far , can we please streamline our chat to the points listed by Bontee ?

[7/30/10 11:55:04 PM] Nelson Kehinde: imagine he allowed capital punishment ,

[7/30/10 11:55:07 PM] Ali Yakasai: for only 20months of his regime, Nigerians withness

a change

[7/30/10 11:55:36 PM] abiri tosin: [3:54:01 Ale] Nelson Kehinde: I totally disgree about

bringing a change to standard of living but discipline was great


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[7/31/10 12:08:43 AM] Nelson Kehinde: the case of Plateau ..

[7/31/10 12:12:40 AM] Bontee: @Nelson . . . thats the nigerian problem we haveidentified today, corruption and self centeredness. People who do not have conscience

anymore

[7/31/10 12:12:56 AM] abiri tosin: Will you people agree with me if i say

SOCIALISM IS BEST FOR NIGERIA?????

[7/31/10 12:13:17 AM] abiri tosin: Democratic Socialism to be precise. with

freedom???

[7/31/10 12:14:13 AM] Ernest: what is the Nigerian idealogy at the moment.?

[7/31/10 12:14:44 AM] Bontee: I am in for socialism but with modifications.

[7/31/10 12:14:56 AM] abiri tosin: [4:14:04 Ale] mrnestyy: what is the Nigerian idealogy

at the moment.?


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[7/31/10 12:22:12 AM] Ernest: yeah,i understand susrainable development.thats is whatevery developed countries are striving to achieve at the moment

[7/31/10 12:22:37 AM] abiri tosin: Ghana has started working with some of these

principles, but not all, and this is visible with their new protectionism theories againstNigeria.

[7/31/10 12:22:39 AM] Ernest: our development should be at the peak before we talk

about making it sustainable

[7/31/10 12:24:05 AM] abiri tosin: [4:22:03 Ale] mrnestyy: yeah,i understand

susrainable development.thats is what every developed countries are striving to achieve

at the moment


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8. Production9. Equality10.Electricity

[7/31/10 12:34:23 AM] Ernest: well,a knowledge shared is more knowledge gained

[7/31/10 12:34:27 AM] Nelson Kehinde: bcos the forum is for a way forward n they haveto implement issues

[7/31/10 12:34:56 AM] My NEW Nigeria: Lets go back to the issues we listed earlier

on

[7/31/10 12:35:14 AM] Ernest: Whats is the solutions given this problems at hand

[7/31/10 12:35:15 AM] Ernest: ?

[7/31/10 12:38:08 AM] abiri tosin: unifying ideology through nation wide accpetance of

socialism.

[7/31/10 12:38:51 AM] Nelson Kehinde: Lets speak on Corruption

[7/31/10 12:39:33 AM] Nelson Kehinde: we start from the Govt or individuals like thescammers

[7/31/10 12:39:40 AM] Ernest: how do we fight curruption?

[7/31/10 12:39:51 AM] My NEW Nigeria: good question!

[7/31/10 12:40:04 AM] Ernest: corruption from the top

[7/31/10 12:40:13 AM] Bontee: we have to go back to our culture that fornids ill gotten

wealth

[7/31/10 12:40:14 AM] Nelson Kehinde: first by making political offices non lucrative

[7/31/10 12:40:55 AM] Nelson Kehinde: the money they earn should be pegged

[7/31/10 12:41:59 AM] abiri tosin: to me if the foundational problem is solved,

everything will come into place. am sure

[7/31/10 12:42:00 AM] Nelson Kehinde: if u talk of socialism , u should be a able to

speak of corruption , bcos with corruption socialism can't work

[7/31/10 12:42:14 AM] Ernest: if only the current fruadulent politicians can be brought

to book,then they wont conterminate the new incoming ones

[7/31/10 12:42:23 AM] Bontee: There should be checks and balances, accountability,

monitoring and proper keeping of records.

[7/31/10 12:42:25 AM] Nelson Kehinde: corruption destroys all


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[7/31/10 12:42:37 AM] abiri tosin: idiagbon is an example, he held on to a set of

principles, and everything came into place in his own time, and he is the best we have had

ever.

[7/31/10 12:43:13 AM] Nelson Kehinde: people kill just for a post of councillor

[7/31/10 12:43:22 AM] My NEW Nigeria: Why is there so much corruption in

Nigeria ?

[7/31/10 12:43:37 AM] Nelson Kehinde: anyway first of all about corruptions , the banks

need to be tighten

[7/31/10 12:43:42 AM] Bontee: @tosin . . . that was a military rule and we cannot afford

such governments anymore, so lets find a way of implementing those pricinciples in a

democracy.

[7/31/10 12:44:15 AM] abiri tosin: cos there is too much inequality in the system.

[7/31/10 12:46:01 AM] Ernest: the struggle for political political post in Nigeria is likend

to buying goods and a cheaper rate and selling it later in future to make profit.there

should be a check on business oriented politicians who influence their political ambition

with their riches

[7/31/10 12:46:22 AM] My NEW Nigeria: what are the specific steps or actions

we can take to eliminate or reduce corruption to the bearest minimum ?

[7/31/10 12:47:06 AM] abiri tosin: [4:45:49 Ale] Ernest: the struggle for political

political post in Nigeria is likend to buying goods and a cheaper rate and selling it later in

future to make profit.there should be a check on business oriented politicians who

influence their political ambition with their riches


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[7/31/10 12:52:39 AM] abiri tosin: [4:51:20 Ale] My NEW Nigeria: how do we encouragesocial equality ?


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[7/31/10 1:03:31 AM] abiri tosin: UNIVERSITY FACULTY UNIONS.

[7/31/10 1:03:44 AM] abiri tosin: EVERY WHERE IN NIGERIA

[7/31/10 1:04:00 AM] abiri tosin: so i think you should come to Nigeria and do some

personal survey Nelson.

[7/31/10 1:04:06 AM] My NEW Nigeria: Yes we know, but how do we eliminate or

reduce it ?

[7/31/10 1:04:13 AM] Nelson Kehinde: i come to Nigeria always

[7/31/10 1:04:14 AM] Ernest: and in embassys of Nigerian around the world

[7/31/10 1:04:40 AM] Bontee: The magnitude of corruption from 1999 to date is veryalarming and it getting worst by the day.

[7/31/10 1:04:45 AM] Nelson Kehinde: Discipline will do just right

[7/31/10 1:05:17 AM] My NEW Nigeria: Are we not corrupt ourselves ??

[7/31/10 1:05:20 AM] abiri tosin: so in summary am saying ITS ONLY A STRONG, WELL

DIRECTED, TRANSPARENT DICTATORSHIP THAT WILL GET US RIGHT BEFORE WE

CAN RECLAIM A CLEAN DEMOCRACY THAT WILL BE FOR ALL!!!

[7/31/10 1:05:45 AM] abiri tosin: PDP IS LEADING AND TRUST ME WE ARE IN A

DICTATORSHIP SOCIETY ALREADY

[7/31/10 1:05:50 AM] Nelson Kehinde: we talking of all sphere of the nation , including

yourself and myself , all Nigerians

[7/31/10 1:06:36 AM] Nelson Kehinde: Lies , betrayal , trust ,

[7/31/10 1:06:48 AM] abiri tosin: if Nigeria has the amount of discpline that existed inthe time of Abacha now, trust me then we can proffer a workable solution.

[7/31/10 1:06:58 AM] My NEW Nigeria: I feel the change has to start from us as

individuals or what do you think ?

[7/31/10 1:07:18 AM] Ernest: yes,Nigeria needs regeneration of its gorvenment.bringing

down the current currupt government and springing up young educated and talented

individuals who can be elected based on their qualities rather than their influence

[7/31/10 1:07:34 AM] abiri tosin: [5:06:47 Ale] My NEW Nigeria: I feel the change has

to start from us as individuals or what do you think ?


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[7/31/10 1:08:34 AM] abiri tosin: for example, NEW POLICE RECRUIT WILL ALWAYSFEE ITS HIS/HER RIGHT TO COLLECT BRIBE, cos the ideal system in Nigeria is gone.

[7/31/10 1:08:35 AM] Bontee: [3:05:34 AM] abiri tosin: so in summary am saying ITS

ONLY A STRONG, WELL DIRECTED, TRANSPARENT DICTATORSHIP THAT WILL

GET US RIGHT BEFORE WE CAN RECLAIM A CLEAN DEMOCRACY THAT WILL BE

FOR ALL!!!

PDP IS LEADING AND TRUST ME WE ARE IN A DICTATORSHIP SOCIETY ALREADY


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[7/31/10 1:26:02 AM] My NEW Nigeria2: Why?

[7/31/10 1:26:27 AM] Bontee: @Nelson . . .state in nigeria can generate electricity butthey are not allowed to distribute it.

[7/31/10 1:26:34 AM] Nelson Kehinde: not just them , what about the countries that

bring the generators to Nigeria , they are big companies that make them abroad and

have steady light

[7/31/10 1:26:39 AM] Ernest: @ Bontee-you shouldnt blame the enterpreneus for taking

advantage of the cuurent problem.they are only being business minded econimist

answering to the law of demand and supply

[7/31/10 1:27:01 AM] My NEW Nigeria: Whats the way out ?

[7/31/10 1:27:02 AM] Nelson Kehinde: why do they make such great Gennerators in

Germany and some other european countries , do they seize their lights regualarly

[7/31/10 1:29:59 AM] Ernest: the Nigerian problem of electricity is as a result of big

big electricity project which ened up unachievable.Nigerians should try to execute small

eectricity project which are achievable.also there should be a room for check and

balance for those whome this electricity contracts are awarded to

[7/31/10 1:30:02 AM] My NEW Nigeria2: I think, the generator sellers and producers

should harness their business to helping to produce power for Nigeria with what Nigeria

has

[7/31/10 1:30:16 AM] My NEW Nigeria2: water, wind, gas, waste....

[7/31/10 1:30:42 AM] My NEW Nigeria: What can we do to help as youths ?

[7/31/10 1:31:30 AM] My NEW Nigeria2: They should channel their resources toprojects as windmill, gas turbine, biogas, etc

[7/31/10 1:32:25 AM] My NEW Nigeria2: That way, they will still be in business

[7/31/10 1:34:54 AM] My NEW Nigeria2: Sanusi Lamido, the CBN governor suggested

that the price of electricity be increased from N7 to N20 or so

[7/31/10 1:35:33 AM] My NEW Nigeria2: The question is, at that new price, will theelectricity be available?

[7/31/10 1:35:53 AM] My NEW Nigeria2: 24/7?

[7/31/10 1:36:36 AM] Ernest: we are talking about availability here.even with the

increase in price,the electricity might not still be vailable

[7/31/10 1:38:04 AM] Bontee: I think the private sector should handle the home

consumer demand why the government focus on industrial demand.


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[7/31/10 1:38:15 AM] Ernest: we have the resource to generate more electricitypower.the price of the electricity is only the cost of distribution and not production

[7/31/10 1:38:15 AM] Nelson Kehinde: somtimes people forgets how big Nigeria is as a

3rd world nation

[7/31/10 1:39:25 AM] Ernest: what happens to price when the private sector handles

it.?

[7/31/10 1:40:07 AM] Ernest: that might result in another big problem in later future

unless they make room for competition among the distributors

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[7/31/10 8:20:33 AM] wieldrub: I have seen what you wrote but I remember thatbefore I was logged out... I said that the greatest problem of this country is Patriotism,

that can only come through well thought Ideology...

[7/31/10 8:21:49 AM] elohor10: We have to change our mentality.

[7/31/10 8:22:43 AM] wieldrub: @elohor, while I was in Junior secondary school... I

formed a group we call Global youth alliance for Peace and change

[7/31/10 8:23:01 AM] wieldrub: and for me these are two issues the world need as awhol

[7/31/10 8:23:57 AM] wieldrub: Peace cannot be achieved without change of attitude,while change cannot come in an atmostphere of War

[7/31/10 8:25:25 AM] Bontee: We should make nigerians to see reasons why they haveto be patriotic.

[7/31/10 8:28:03 AM] wieldrub: one we are all Nigerians and we don't have anyother

country to run to, that is my Nigerians are treated like ruggs outside this country...

[7/31/10 8:28:59 AM] wieldrub: another thing is that Nigerians don't have a sense ofbelonging, that is why they find themselves in crimes outside Nigeria....

[7/31/10 8:31:33 AM] Bontee: @MNN . . . wieldrub is clearly highlighting my concerns,

some of us are patriotic to our family, religion or ethnicity instead of t the country. Wesee ourselves as separate people within a nation that cannot work together.

[7/31/10 8:33:10 AM] wieldrub: No Jamez, it is my ultimate goal to make Nigerians see

that Nigeria Can only work if we believe in her

[7/31/10 8:33:41 AM] Bontee: But we don't believe in her on a collective level.

[7/31/10 8:35:44 AM] Bontee: When i was in the university, instead of us to all work as

one nigerian some people are trying to make us compete based on the tribal levels.

That's the root cause of our division because we owe our patriotism along tribal linesinstead of to the country first.


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[7/31/10 8:37:57 AM] Bontee: Yes that is the conclusion and for those individuals to

work and have patriotism in nigeria, belieeve in her to make her work then we need to be

united in idealogy and the way we live our life.

[7/31/10 8:39:51 AM] Bontee: Yes education should be socialised and we should do awaywith all forms of segregation, undue competitions, quota system and discrimination.

[7/31/10 8:40:35 AM] wieldrub: Then that is where attitudinal change comes in... but it

has to start with someone... that is what the president is doing. He is leading the way...that is why we have the reason to discuss... He re engineered it

[7/31/10 8:42:46 AM] wieldrub: @Paul Nwamadi, you cannot say Ideology cannot work...

but when the europeans came and sold christainity to us, we recieved it...

[7/31/10 8:43:59 AM] wieldrub: It's all about giving people reason to believe, there arethree thing that will recreate a man... The words he hears, the palces he goes to and the

people he relates with... That is the greatest agent of change.

[7/31/10 9:01:29 AM] wieldrub: Now the revolution will have to start from attitudinal

change... first with voting the right person and inisisting that the right leaders

emerge....

[7/31/10 9:01:40 AM] Bontee: Restruture our education

[7/31/10 9:01:40 AM] Bontee:

1. Restruture our education2. United nigeria3. idealogy4. Defined vision5. Electricity6. Corruption7. Unification8. Production9.

Justice

10. Patriotism11. attitudiional change

[7/31/10 9:02:14 AM] My NEW Nigeria:

1. Idealogy2. Vision3. United Nigeria4. Restructing Our education5. Orientation6. Corruption7. Justice


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8. Production9. Equality10. Electricity

[7/31/10 9:04:39 AM] Bontee: So we are looking at developing an idelogy and vision

for nigeria that will solve those problems we have listed above.

[7/31/10 9:07:50 AM] wieldrub: WHO IS A NIGERIAN?

[7/31/10 9:09:09 AM] Ernest: A true Nigerian is a person who does and obeys what the

national pledge says

[7/31/10 9:09:13 AM] wieldrub: WHAT DOES HE STAND FOR IN THE COMMITTEE

OF NATIONS...

[7/31/10 9:09:52 AM] wieldrub: Fine, that brings us to the words of our national

athem...

[7/31/10 9:10:52 AM] wieldrub: ARISE O COMPATRIOTS, TO SERVE OUR FATHER

LAND WITH PEACE AND UNITY

[7/31/10 9:11:14 AM] Bontee: He stands for the interest of nigeria in every

circumstance.

[7/31/10 9:11:34 AM] My NEW Nigeria: What is the interest of Nigeria, then?

[7/31/10 9:14:51 AM] Bontee: The interest of nigeria is to see that his economic and

developmental goals are always maintained.

[7/31/10 9:20:04 AM] wieldrub: Now, We must understand that our Ideology and Vision

must guide our actions and reactions....

[7/31/10 9:20:53 AM] wieldrub: If Nigerian Footballers knows that they represent thewhole blacks in the world, then they will not be sluggish in their approach of games...

[7/31/10 9:21:13 AM] abiri tosin: i agree with that as well

[7/31/10 9:21:46 AM] wieldrub: Now Falconets are doing great even when no one gave

them the chance... that is Pursuit of Purpose... which should be our driving force

[7/31/10 9:22:54 AM] Bontee: So in escence we should break the barrier that is dividingus in nigeria which is religion and ethnicity?

[7/31/10 9:22:56 AM] wieldrub: I said before now that in my Jss3 I formed a group

called Global You Coalition for Peace and change.... which I thought would be a factor inbringing about the much need revolution in Nigeria

[7/31/10 9:23:44 AM] wieldrub: We need religion... It take care of our spiritual needs...

without it we are no where and nobody


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[7/31/10 9:24:54 AM] wieldrub: The only thing we need to to mature in our relationshipover religion

[7/31/10 9:25:11 AM] Bontee: I don't say we did not need religion but right now it is

dividing us greatly in nigeria, americans are united and still they all practice differentreligions.

[7/31/10 9:26:46 AM] wieldrub: Maturity, mutual respect, I have more to say

[7/31/10 9:29:52 AM] abiri tosin: because the key source of confusion with regards to

religion is the fact that there is not shared ideology, and a part of Nigeria dominated by

christians are obviously picking up some habits that may be regarded as the negative

effect of western freedom

[7/31/10 9:30:25 AM] abiri tosin: am a christian as well, but that part of excessivewestern freedom that expands immorality am against

[7/31/10 9:30:54 AM] abiri tosin: muslims and christians live together happily in China,

and some other Asian nations,

[7/31/10 9:31:07 AM] abiri tosin: but we hardly hear of confusion or misunderstanding.

[7/31/10 9:31:21 AM] abiri tosin: in the countries . . .

[7/31/10 9:32:05 AM] abiri tosin: so i think if we get the ideology right and integrate

the demands of all religion which funny all religion share then we will get somewhere

[7/31/10 9:32:37 AM] abiri tosin: in churches for example, the mode of dressing is

reflecting the high immorality of the society

[7/31/10 9:32:54 AM] abiri tosin: so these are the realities i think we should all face.

[7/31/10 9:33:19 AM] abiri tosin: Nigerian problems is not complex, its just all about

creating a shared vision

[7/31/10 9:35:09 AM] My NEW Nigeria (2): Are we now saying religiousintolerance or imbalance is a factor, or what's the point?

[7/31/10 9:35:59 AM] Bontee: Religion in those country are somehow regulated and not

giving any form of govrnment support or recongnition which i think should be applied toin nigeria.

[7/31/10 9:37:11 AM] abiri tosin: [1:35:49 Owuro] Bontee: Religion in those country are

somehow regulated and not giving any form of govrnment support or recongnition which i

think should be applied to in nigeria.

[7/31/10 9:36:04 AM] abiri tosin: [1:35:00 Owuro] My NEW Nigeria (2): Are we now

saying religious intolerance or imbalance is a factor, or what's the point?


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[1:35:49 Owuro] Bontee: Religion in those country are somehow regulated and not giving

any form of govrnment support or recongnition which i think should be applied to in

nigeria.


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[7/31/10 9:54:26 AM] My NEW Nigeria: Don't you think we should charge our

religious leaders to preach and enforce the practice of good moral standards in

their spheres of influence - the churches, mosques, shrines?

[7/31/10 9:55:37 AM] Bontee: corruption has crept into religion in nigeria so most ofthem do not have the moral right anymore to do so.

[7/31/10 9:59:41 AM] Ernest: Church leaders have been doing that for ages now.but

whats happens when u try to be good at your service point but get some threat from thetop officials.this are major problems every goal oriented leader is facing at the moment

[7/31/10 10:02:33 AM] Bontee: religion in those places causes segregation and division.

[7/31/10 10:04:08 AM] Ernest: over here in Finland,i would say religion both muslim and

christain has been completely wiped out in its government though it was their bases forsetting the laws

[7/31/10 10:04:40 AM] My NEW Nigeria (2): What we need is TRUE WORSHIP

period! After all, why would people in the name of religion practice evil.

[7/31/10 10:05:15 AM] My NEW Nigeria (2): A religious leader collecting money to

pray for people, punishing them, etc

[7/31/10 10:07:56 AM] Bontee: religion should not be a pre-requisite to political offices

or employment.

[7/31/10 10:08:43 AM] Bontee: In finland you are employed to a job based on your skills.

you are voted for based on your ideas and vision and not your religious affiliation. Thatwhat i am trying to say.

[7/31/10 10:09:43 AM] Ernest: yeah,i think the regions opinion which you have to fill

when applying for a job should be wiped out and companies should be brought to book.

[7/31/10 10:10:17 AM] Bontee: We are using religion in nigeria now as a means to afavour or political tool. wipe it away.

[7/31/10 10:11:57 AM] Bontee: @ernest i have studied in finland and not one day did

they say anything about religion in the school, who are you to hold fellowship withing theschool or in the hostel. But in nigeria religious centers are littered all over the school

with one different soceity or the other.

[7/31/10 10:13:07 AM] My NEW Nigeria: A NEW NIgeria based on MERIT at alllevels is what we should stand for now, don't you think?

[7/31/10 10:13:07 AM] Bontee: instead of uniting as one nigeria and breaking tribal

barriers we are having one religious organization or the other, igbo association in uniben,delta state student in OAU.

[7/31/10 10:14:03 AM] elohor10: Its not really about Religion per se, its about Self

Interest. Think about it, these evil people will not even vote for a person who iscommitted to serving the people without self interest


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[7/31/10 10:14:35 AM] Bontee: All those things should be scrapped from any public

gatherings like that and lets have soceity for a better enviroment, soceity of engineers,

soceity of young business enteprenuers.

[7/31/10 10:16:36 AM] elohor10: Nigerians have to start putting Nigeria first.

[7/31/10 10:16:55 AM] elohor10: We must all start in our little corners

[7/31/10 10:17:30 AM] Ernest: the problem os religion and tribalism has sucked deep in

our universities in Nigeria.I think all those religious and tribal groups in our institution

should be abolished.I remember they where so many tribal and religious group in Uniben

which became a tool for the politicians during their campagn for political post

[7/31/10 10:20:41 AM] elohor10: We have to start from ourselves, lets start changing

our mind sets. I see able youths who have become tools for these politician - who thinkof nothing except themselves.

[8/1/10 11:15:32 AM] My NEW Nigeria: There's an urgent need to create a Road

Map for progress in Nigeria...the government should ensure this and involve every

citizen to aim at achieving it.

[8/24/10 3:57:54 PM] My NEW Nigeria: Hi All, going through the previous

discussions from the scratch today, I thought of an ideology (which came to mind

as I saw a post card by a church which read educate, evolve, elevate). MNN would

like to brand this proposed ideology as the "3-E ideology" i.e Educate-Evolve-

Elevate. For it is only when we 'educate' our people that we can 'evolve' ormetamorphose and ultimately 'elevate' to a great nation. Therefore we need to

have a common vision: EDUCATION - which is the basis and will give birth to every

other form of positive change. And by "Education", I mean all-round education to

include morals, discipline, etc.

..THE END

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