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I know that I don't should post this question here, but I found no other Virtual Server Forum, so I try ithere.

Did someone run Virtual Server 2005 R2 successfully at Windows 7 x64? My problem is, that my computeris not found at the maintenance (main) website, so I can't configurate some options or vhd's.

Has some one a suggestion?

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It is possible! I use Windows 7 x86 but I think the problem is same on Win7 x64, PCA is always blockingthe vssrvc.exe (Virtual Server service).

First you should block PCA. I did that by the following way: In the Group Policy go to the ComputerConfiguration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Application Compatibility\ and enableall of the Turn off xxx entries. I think if you enable only the "Turn off Application Compatibility Engine" itwould be enough but I wanted to be sure and enabled everything, later we are going to restore theoriginal settings. Then go to the Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\System\Troubleshooting and Diagnostics\Application Compatibility Diagnostics\ area and disable all of theentries so that we don't come across any DCOM or driver related error.

IIS have to be prepared as well. Requirements are same as in Vista take a look atthis link http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2006/10/10/Installing-Virtual-Server-2005-R2-on-Vista-RC1-_2F00_-RC2.aspx you can find the correct settings.Restart your computer and then you are ready to install the Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1. AfterwardsVirtual Server (VS) should be running and you can check it by Virtual Server Administration Website.

Next restore all settings what you changed in Group Policy and restart your computer. UnfortunatelyApplication Compatibility Engine will detect Virtual server services and block that again. So you have togo to the Virtual Server directory (Usually C:\Program Files\Microsoft Virtual Server\) and rename thevssrvc.exe to something else (example: vssrvc_newname.exe). Open the registry editor and replace allentry which contains "vssrvc.exe" to vssrvc_newname.exe (path, DCOM object details, etc)Finally restart your computer and enjoy Virtual server 2005 at Windows 7 RC :)

I hope It helps for you.

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ill save you time as i spent it myself and am still on the case...

Windows 7 RC1 Blocks Virtual Server 2005 R2 Sp1 from running and this is the expected behaviour....

i know... sorry to be bringing more bad news

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But why? Why not make Virtual Server working on Windows 7? Why VT is required to run WindowsVirtual PC? It was working very well without the VT and otherwise I will have to change motherboard andCPU... For the time being both are powerfull enough for me.

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It is possible! I use Windows 7 x86 but I think the problem is same on Win7 x64, PCA is always blockingthe vssrvc.exe (Virtual Server service).

First you should block PCA. I did that by the following way: In the Group Policy go to the ComputerConfiguration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Application Compatibility\ and enableall of the Turn off xxx entries. I think if you enable only the "Turn off Application Compatibility Engine" itwould be enough but I wanted to be sure and enabled everything, later we are going to restore theoriginal settings. Then go to the Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\System\Troubleshooting and Diagnostics\Application Compatibility Diagnostics\ area and disable all of theentries so that we don't come across any DCOM or driver related error.

IIS have to be prepared as well. Requirements are same as in Vista take a look atthis link http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2006/10/10/Installing-Virtual-Server-2005-R2-on-Vista-RC1-_2F00_-RC2.aspx you can find the correct settings.Restart your computer and then you are ready to install the Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1. AfterwardsVirtual Server (VS) should be running and you can check it by Virtual Server Administration Website.

Next restore all settings what you changed in Group Policy and restart your computer. UnfortunatelyApplication Compatibility Engine will detect Virtual server services and block that again. So you have togo to the Virtual Server directory (Usually C:\Program Files\Microsoft Virtual Server\) and rename thevssrvc.exe to something else (example: vssrvc_newname.exe). Open the registry editor and replace allentry which contains "vssrvc.exe" to vssrvc_newname.exe (path, DCOM object details, etc)Finally restart your computer and enjoy Virtual server 2005 at Windows 7 RC :)


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I forgot to indicate that obviously Windows Virtual PC and Virtual Server 2005 cannot be installed at thesame time!

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The workaround definitely works, however it's totally unsupported, please keep that in mind.

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thanks robip its good to know that i can disable the PCA.However as Flowman stated i do not have the luxurary to start unsupported scenarios at a MicrosoftCertified Learning Center :S

But defnitly a step forward at least, personnally i can start practising the course labs again :)

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"The workaround definitely works, however it's totally unsupported, please keep that in mind."Ok but is Windows 7 not also unsupported until now, isn't it?

"I forgot to indicate that obviously Windows Virtual PC and Virtual Server 2005 cannot be installed at thesame time!"Big thx to you. I have the Virtual PC (new beta) and Virtual Server 2005 successfully running at the samePC.

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It is possible! I use Windows 7 x86 but I think the problem is same on Win7 x64, PCA isalways blocking the vssrvc.exe (Virtual Server service).

First you should block PCA. I did that by the following way: In the Group Policy go to theComputer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\ApplicationCompatibility\ and enable all of the Turn off xxx entries. I think if you enable only the "Turnoff Application Compatibility Engine" it would be enough but I wanted to be sure andenabled everything, later we are going to restore the original settings. Then go to theComputer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Troubleshooting andDiagnostics\Application Compatibility Diagnostics\ area and disable all of the entries sothat we don't come across any DCOM or driver related error.

IIS have to be prepared as well. Requirements are same as in Vista take a look atthis link http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2006/10/10/Installing-Virtual-Server-2005-R2-on-Vista-RC1-_2F00_-RC2.aspx you can find the correct settings.Restart your computer and then you are ready to install the Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1.Afterwards Virtual Server (VS) should be running and you can check it by Virtual ServerAdministration Website.

Next restore all settings what you changed in Group Policy and restart your computer.Unfortunately Application Compatibility Engine will detect Virtual server services and blockthat again. So you have to go to the Virtual Server directory (Usually C:\ProgramFiles\Microsoft Virtual Server\) and rename the vssrvc.exe to something else (example:


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vssrvc_newname.exe). Open the registry editor and replace all entry which contains"vssrvc.exe" to vssrvc_newname.exe (path, DCOM object details, etc)Finally restart your computer and enjoy Virtual server 2005 at Windows 7 RC :)


Thank you for the wonderful post, It did work for me, but jus wanted to correct one of the entries abovewhere its says

"Then go to the Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Troubleshooting andDiagnostics\Application Compatibility Diagnostics\ area and disable all of the entries so that wedon't come across any DCOM or driver related error."

This should be

"Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\System\Troubleshooting andDiagnostics\Application Compatibility Diagnostics\"

Everything else worked like it said.

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So the bigger question is will VS (05 or some updated version) be supported on Win7 at some point?

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Thank you AftabD, I have corrected that.Cheers

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Probably not.

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Probably not.

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Assumming then anyone technical enough to want features of VS will use Hyper-V and anyone nottechnical or needing advance features will use the built in virtualization? I think that is a bad assumptionon MS's part if that is the case. There are a number of reasons for wanting VS that you do not get withHyper-V or this knockoff VS built into Win7.

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That may be true, but my gut felling is that there will not be any further development of Virtual Server.

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I just upgraded a machine from Vista to Windows 7 Ultimate. I was running Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1,and the upgrade raised an error and would not proceed until I uninstalled Virtual Server.

I found this thread, and planned to reinstall VS after the upgrade, but the install does not work, eventhough I followed the instructions.

I assume there is something in the Windows 7 RTM that is different from earlier W7 versions that theseinstructions fail to address.

I disabled all the items under Application Compatibility Engine, and I enabled all the items underApplication Compatibility Diagnostics.

The install is not blocked, but it fails to complete successfully.

I'm hoping others will encounter this and post a update to the workaround.

Thanks, Bren

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Windows 7 VPC was developed using the Virtual Server 2005 R2 Service Pack 1 as the starting point.Why do you want to use it instead of Windows 7 Virtual PC?

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John, thanks for your reply. I am not aware of Windows 7 VPC. I guess I was just going with what I know.For a variety of reasons, I have found Virtual Server to be preferable over VPC 2007 for my purposes. Imay be mistaken, but I thought that the supported configuration to run Windows Server 2003 is withVirtual Server not VPC, although I know it will run. I tried once to move my VHD over from VS to VPCand there were some quirks. Is there a newer version of VPC on Win7? Can you direct me to a goodsource for moving my virtual server vhd over to either VPC 2007 or the newer version on Win7 if itexists?

Thanks, Bren

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Actually Virtual Server was designed to run ON a server OS to support server vms. The version whichruns on a client OS is a cut down version. It was designed to run on XP with IE6 and you need to jumpthrough hoops to get it to run on later versions of the OS and/or later versions of IE.

The problem with VPC for Win 7 is that it requires hardware virtualization and will not run if yourhardware does not support it.

Here is a link for a rundown on Windows VPC.

http://blogs.technet.com/windows_vpc/

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Bill, thanks for your input as well. Since, my last post, I have progressed to confirming that my computerhas hardware virtualization. I've downloaded the RC version of Windows VPC. Now, I'm researching tofind good information on the ins-and-outs of using the VHD and VMC created using Virtual Server 2005with Windows VPC. As I mentioned before, I ran into a few quirks when attempting to do this with VPC2007. I you have a link to some good instructions on how to do this, I'd greatly appreciate it seeing it.

Here's a link to the Intel utility to run to see if your CPU supports Hardware Virtualization:

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/tools/piu/

Here's a link to Microsoft's instructions to configuring the BIOS to enable Hardware Virtualization:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/support/configure-bios.aspx

I'm now looking for links on porting from VS2005 to VPC

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I'm now looking for links on porting from VS2005 to VPC

Hi Bren,

How have you gone with this? I'm looking for the same thing and have had no luck so far.

I'm happy, enough, to run VPC on Win7 and just configure scripts to auto-start minimised andauto-stop the VM with the host, but I haven't managed to read anything about whether my VM currentlyrunning win VS2005R2 will be able to migrate into VPC... I have no intention of rebuilding the guest, isn'tthe whole point of virtualisation to mean you don't need to rebuild the guest all the time?

Cheers,James

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James,

I never found a good link with pointer on what to look out for, so I just muddeled my way through togetting it to work.

I was able to create a new Virtual Machine using VPC on my Win7 host, and use the VHD from my virtualserver created in Virtual Server 2005.

There are differences between the environments, but every problem I found, I was able to work aroundit.

If you run into your own problems and have a specific question you need help with, don't hesitate.

Thanks, Bren

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Your Virtual Server 2005 vhds will run just fine on Windows 7 Virtual PC. The Virtual Machine Additions inWindows 7 VPC are newer than those in Virtual Server, so you'll want to update the additions. There's noneed to recreate your vhds.

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Your Virtual Server 2005 vhds will run just fine on Windows 7 Virtual PC. The VirtualMachine Additions in Windows 7 VPC are newer than those in Virtual Server, so you'll wantto update the additions. There's no need to recreate your vhds.

ok so they will run but what do you lose going to Win7 VPC over VS2005? I personally run several OS'swhich are all set to startup automatically, use specific CPU amd memory resource levels and all the othertricks in VS which is why I ran VS over VPC in the first place. I have refused to upgrade my Win boxbecause I've still not seen a side by side of VS and Win7VPC and don't have multiple machines to testwith to see. I could load up a new HD with the RC I guess and then go back to my current build once Ifound out the answers.

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That sounds the best plan. Nobody else can say how your vms will run on your hardware.

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Your Virtual Server 2005 vhds will run just fine on Windows 7 Virtual PC. TheVirtual Machine Additions in Windows 7 VPC are newer than those in VirtualServer, so you'll want to update the additions. There's no need to recreateyour vhds.

ok so they will run but what do you lose going to Win7 VPC over VS2005? I personally runseveral OS's which are all set to startup automatically, use specific CPU amd memoryresource levels and all the other tricks in VS which is why I ran VS over VPC in the first place.I have refused to upgrade my Win box because I've still not seen a side by side of VS andWin7VPC and don't have multiple machines to test with to see. I could load up a new HDwith the RC I guess and then go back to my current build once I found out the answers.

Hi MS_Small_Biz,

Having just migrated my vista machine to Win7 I can confirm that there are several things that VPCdoesn't do... the most obvious is auto-start/stop VM's but you can work around this with VPC usingscripting and setting the VM to auto-save when closed.

What you can't work around unfortunately is my guest runs linux and had a permanent MAC addressbecause if the MAC changes then linux assumes it's a new NIC and you lose your network settings... ForVPC I can't see any way to set a permanent MAC so I fear that it's going to cause me problems. I amhoping that the settings still remain in the vmx file and that VPC honours them but doesn't allow me toedit them but I have yet to confirm this... it'll be a deal breaker for me if it can't be set because VS usedto change the MAC address every time you rebooted the host, resulting in broken networking on theguest.

For what it's worth, the old VS2005 linux additions seem to work fine within VPC on Win7 (obviously theWin7 ones don't support linux so I didn't bother attempting an upgrade).

Hope that helps,James

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How unlucky I AM. I can not install Virtual PC 2007 as my machine does not support Virtualization and Ican not Run Virtual Server 2005 R2 as I have Windows 7 RTM and as posted by someone here evenfollowing the propossed solution it doesn't install fully.

What a bummer.

What solutions are left ??

Anyone has installed VIRTUALBOX or VMWARE_VIRTUALMACHINE under Windows 7 with any success ??

Please post your findings here.

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VPC2007 does work with Windows 7 and does not require hardware virtualization. Only WindowsVirtual PC requires HW-V.Both VirtualBox and VMWare WKS work with Win7.

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VPC2007 does work with Windows 7 and does not require hardware virtualization. OnlyWindows Virtual PC requires HW-V.Both VirtualBox and VMWare WKS work with Win7.

I have to contradict you, ... when I try to run 'Virtual windowsXP Mode" (it's a .vxd file) which requieresVirtual PC 2007, it refuses to run saying my machine CPU does not support Virtualization, indeed I wentto microsoft virtual pc website and there are two utilities for intel and AMD and once run it confirmedmy machine cpu does not support hadrware-assisted virtualization. On the other coin Virtual Server 2005R2 when try to install on Windows 7 RTM it is BLOCKED and does not install. Even if you follow thoseprocedures on Group Policy Object MMC it is still a hussle and not garanteed any success.

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You're confusing technologies here.XP Mode requires Windows Virtual PC (WinVPC), not Virtual PC 2007. There is a big difference between WinVPC for Windows 7 and Virtual PC 2007. Windows Virtual PC requires Windows 7, Virtual PC 2007 does not.

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You're confusing technologies here.XP Mode requires Windows Virtual PC (WinVPC), not Virtual PC 2007. There is a big difference between WinVPC for Windows 7 and Virtual PC 2007. Windows Virtual PC requires Windows 7, Virtual PC 2007 does not.

it may have been an error in my part by writing '2007' at the end of the phrase 'virtual pc'Anyhow, the root of the problem keeps unchanged, as windows virtual pc for windows 7 requiereshardware-assisted virtualizationhttp://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

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Anyhow, the root of the problem keeps unchanged, as windows virtual pc for windows 7requieres hardware-assisted virtualizationhttp://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

Yes, that's known and I did not dispute it.


you asked for alternatives, which I provided:Virtual PC 2007, VirtualBox, VMWare Workstation.

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Anyhow, the root of the problem keeps unchanged, as windows virtual pc forwindows 7 requieres hardware-assisted virtualizationhttp://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

Yes, that's known and I did not dispute it.


you asked for alternatives, which I provided:Virtual PC 2007, VirtualBox, VMWare Workstation.

I decided on VMware Workstation, seems like the best option. here is a snapshot (the outter window)

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/563/win7winxpvmware.jpg

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I just upgraded from Vista to 7, and the only issue i encountered was with Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1; ineeded it in ordre to use the Microsoft Launcher that commes now with MOC courses.

The procedure worked for me. Thanks !

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This worked for me. Thanks.

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thanks this worked for me.

Still kinda dumb that they hard blocked this in 7 AND Server 2008 R2, you are alienating a customerbase and forcing them to go use a competitor when your product works fine. Heck Windows Virtual PCis even based off of Virtual Server 2005 R2 anyway, they just made it so you had to have VT or AMD-V.

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I was never able to get Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 to install on my Windows 7 Ultimate machine. So, Iinstalled Windows Virtual PC, and got the VHD I was running under Virtual Server to run under WVPC,however I'm having a problem with it, and I'm not sure what to do.

I have a couple of development machines. I have Win7 and WVPC installed on one, and I access theWVPC from another over the LAN in a Remote Desktop session. The problem I'm experiencing isgraphics performance. For example, when I have Visual Studio open or SQL Management Studio, editingtext is impossible. There is a delay of a second or two in everything I do in the editor from clicking on adifferent line to move the cursor, or double clicking on a word to select it, to clicking on a menu item toopen it.

I believe this should work fine, because I have a similar configuration except it's over the Internet withVPN into an office LAN. I work in Florida and connect to an office in San Francisco. I have a WindowsServer 2003 machine that has Virtual Server 2005 running a Windows Server 2003 guest virtual server. Iaccess that virtual server using RDP, and it works faster over the Internet than my Win7/WVPC worksover my LAN.

I hope there's something simple that I'm overlooking that will make accessing my Win7/WVPC usingRDP work properly.

Thanks, Bren

W7VPC DEAL BREAKER FOR ME

To solve my RDP graphics performance problem, I tried reinstalling the integration features on the vhd Imoved from VS2005 to WVPC7. I also tried building a new machine with W7VPC.

Neither worked.

I need to be able to access the Virtual Machine over my LAN using Remote Desktop RDP. That's the wayI've been working with my virtual servers since 2005.

The graphics performance is just not adequate for me to work with it; as described above, one seconddelays for the cursor to move when clicking on text.

I encountered another incompatability with a different software/hardware package I wanted to run onmy Windows 7 machine, so I decided to roll this machine back to Vista.

I reinstalled Virtual Server 2005 R2 Sp1, and using RDP to access the VS over my LAN works just fine.

WTF?

What a collosal waste of time!

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I prefer extracting the msi from the Virtual Server exe and then editing the msi with Orca. Remove thelaunch conditions, custom install skipping the web stuff, install VMRCplus to administer.

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John, I attempted to install VS2005R2 68 bit on my W7 machine following your instructions. When Iopened the msi in Orca, it did not have "launch conditions" node. I got the msi by running the setup.exeand looking in the temp directory c:\users\me\appdata\local\temp. Maybe I have a different version ofthe setup.exe which contains a different version of the msi, Virtual Server 2005 Install.msi. The setup.exeis from an ISO available to MSDN Subscribers:en_virtual_server_2005_R2_enterprise_x64.iso

When I open the msi, I don't get a blocking install message. Instead I get this non-descript message.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Microsoft Virtual Server 2005 R2 Setup Wizard could not complete installation.Microsoft Virtyal Server 2005 R2 setup was interrupted. Your system has not been modified. To installthis program at a later time, please run the installation again.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm experiencing something different, and I haven't found any suggestions of how to address thisspecific problem installing Virtual Server 2005 R2 68 on Windows 7.

Thanks, Bren

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Cluster blank?

I use VS2005 R2 on Vista Ultimate x64 to test Win2008/SQL2008 (x32) cluster configurations. For this Imust establish multiple virtual networks. Does WVPC support this? If WVPC does not support multiplevirtual networks, will VMware support this?

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Totally works with Windows 7 Enterprise x64 (RTM). Finally you can use Windows 7 for MOC-coursesand keep the dreaded oxford launcher in it, that uses VS2005. Yippie!!!

Thanks for a great post!

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Totally works with Windows 7 Enterprise x64 (RTM). Finally you can use Windows 7 forMOC-courses and keep the dreaded oxford launcher in it, that uses VS2005. Yippie!!!


The MCT download center has complete instructions I wrote for getting MOC and the Lab Launcher towork on Windows 7. They've been posted there since June 2009.

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Totally works with Windows 7 Enterprise x64 (RTM). Finally you can useWindows 7 for MOC-courses and keep the dreaded oxford launcher in it, thatuses VS2005. Yippie!!!

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The MCT download center has complete instructions I wrote for getting MOC and the LabLauncher to work on Windows 7. They've been posted there since June 2009.

Sounds interesting, tried to find it at Microsoft Learning Download Center site, but don't know where togo. What category is it supposed to be found in (I tried "Technical Preparation", but it's not in there).Also not available in the course specific folders. I am logged on as MCT.

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I just upgraded from Vista to 7, and the only issue i encountered was with Virtual Server2005 R2 SP1; i needed it in ordre to use the Microsoft Launcher that commes now withMOC courses.

The procedure worked for me. Thanks !

What "procedure" worked for you?

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I prefer extracting the msi from the Virtual Server exe and then editing the msi with Orca.Remove the launch conditions, custom install skipping the web stuff, install VMRCplus toadminister.

How does this get past the Hard Block on VS?

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It doesn't. I tried it again. When it worked, I was running Windwos 7 beta. I tried it on RTM last week andit didn't work. I used the Standard User Analyzer and could not come up with a solution. However,Thomas Lee got it working: http://tfl09.blogspot.com/2009/08/windows-7-and-virtual-server.html. I'mstill trying to get a simpler solution working. It looks like it needs more than a shim or a layer.

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I prefer extracting the msi from the Virtual Server exe and then editing themsi with Orca. Remove the launch conditions, custom install skipping theweb stuff, install VMRCplus to administer.

How does this get past the Hard Block on VS?

Sorry to give you an inaccurate answer, but disabling some application compatibility policies (e.g. in thelocal computer policy), you can get VS2005 R2 installed. What you also need to do is to rename theservice .exe file name and then change every registry entry to point virtual server to the new .exe filename instead.

Short version of the above mentioned method, you can get it to work! email me at joel.lehtonen (at)

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I've tried to follow Thomas Lee's guide unfortunately I get stuck at the "Install VS" part :) when I run theinstall for Virtual Server 2005 R2 I get the following error:

"Installing the Virtual Server Administration Website requires IIS World Wide Web service to be installedand the IIS Admin service to be running. You can go back and change your feature selection, or runsetup again after installing IIS."

My system is upgraded from Vista to Windows 7 Ultimate. I have all the IIS components selected,installed and the services running.

What am I missing?

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Do a custom install and do not install the web features or vhd mount. Install VMRCPlus to administerVirtual Server.

For the record, I think installing Virtual Server on Windows 7 is a very bad idea - and I've succeeded ingetting it working on Windows 7 RTM. I restored my machine to where it was before installing VirtualServer and I'm done with it.

I'm a four time MVP for Virtual Machines and I recommend not installing Virtual Server on Windows 7.Use a different virtualization product instead.

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Thanks. I managed to install it (all components) by simply running the SP1 install which is a full installand worked just fine.

I'm mainly using Virtual PC 2007 SP1 at the moment, but I'd appreciate an explanation as to why usingVirtual Server on Windows 7 is such a bad idea.

Thanks.


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A major part of Virtual Server 2005 doesnt work with Windows 7, namely the SCSI shunt drivercapability. So you can't use emulated SCSI VHD's for large disk support. (SCSI isn't the default, IDE is,but if you need more than 127G in a disk, you're out of luck.)

Another reason it's a bad idea is it's just not supported, you're on your own if you use it...

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Honestly, I'm just starting to use VM's more actively at home. I'm not using it for production servers or


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anything critical. Mainly dev and eval purposes. My limited understanding is that you get more controland capability with Virtual Server 2005 R2 compared to Virtual PC 2007.

What would be the main reasons for choosing one over the other?


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Virtual Server over VPC 2007?

The advantage of Virtual Server is that if you have multiple VM's running, you can use more than1 core. Vpc 2007 uses 1 core for all VM's. (Still, 1 core inside a vm for both.)

Large SCSI disks is another big advantage to Virtual Server.

Also scripting for Virtual Server and runs as a service.

But VPC 2007 has some advantages in a single user environment, drage and drop, shared folders, abetter UI.

Virtual Server is best for running servers you don't interact with all the time, VPC is best for client OS'sand interaction.

Windows VPC has everything Virtual Server has except the large SCSI VHD's, and it's pretty limitedrunning as a service.

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Thanks Bob.

Sounds like VPC 2007 is the one for me.


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First you should block PCA. I did that by the following way: In the Group Policy go to theComputer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\ApplicationCompatibility\ and enable all of the Turn off xxx entries. I think if you enable only the "Turnoff Application Compatibility Engine" it would be enough but I wanted to be sure andenabled everything, later we are going to restore the original settings. Then go to theComputer Configuration\Administrative Templates\System\Troubleshooting andDiagnostics\Application Compatibility Diagnostics\ area and disable all of the entries sothat we don't come across any DCOM or driver related error.

How about Virtual Server 2007?

I use to have no problem getting my VMs to start automatically from Vista with just MS VPC, Now onwindows 7 with W VPC, they simply won't launch if I'm not logged in. If it were not for this, I would notneed Virtual Server. See my related discussion.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprovirt/thread/ccb30e31-c9fb-43f7-b7d2-7d2debbcfbe1

Thanks for any help or information.

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Well I did some unsupported "Upgrades" from RC and used the above instructions for turning off PCAand I have VS05 running just fine under release Win7.

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ITS POSSIBLE11

I hv just installed it last night and it works fine.

(my os is windows 7 ultimate 64 bit btw)

The thing is that windows 7 block the VS2005 R1 SP2 due to campatibilities issues

so the solution is to close two servises of compatibility

Via run Enter to GROUP POLICY (Gpedit or mmc)

and set those two rules enabled to close them:

/Computer Policy - Computer Configuration - Administrative Templates - WindowsComponents - Application Compatibility

* Turn off Application Compatibility Engine

*Turn off Program Compatibility Assistant

apply patch window vista and server 2008 for VS 2005 R2 SP1 from microsoft.

then reset your computer.!!!

now you can install VS 2005 R2 SP1 and it will work just fine.

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Installing Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 on Windows 7 (It CAN be done!) : http://bit.ly/9n6s6l #windows7#virtualserver #virtualization

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Yes, it can, as reported previously in this thread. It is still a bad idea.

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Yes, it can, as reported previously in this thread. It is still a bad idea.

Why? I've been running it since release as noted way above. I can find no reason other than MS wantingus to use the castrated XPMode vs. a product which gives us far more options.

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First you should block PCA. I did that by the following way: In the Group Policy go to theComputer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\ApplicationCompatibility\ and enable all of the Turn off xxx entries. I think if you enable only the "Turnoff Application Compatibility Engine" it would be enough but I wanted to be sure andenabled everything, later we are going to restore the original settings. Then go to theComputer Configuration\Administrative Templates\System\Troubleshooting andDiagnostics\Application Compatibility Diagnostics\ area and disable all of the entries sothat we don't come across any DCOM or driver related error.

IIS have to be prepared as well. Requirements are same as in Vista take a look atthis link http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_guy/archive/2006/10/10/Installing-Virtual-Server-2005-R2-on-Vista-RC1-_2F00_-RC2.aspx you can find the correct settings.Restart your computer and then you are ready to install the Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1.Afterwards Virtual Server (VS) should be running and you can check it by Virtual ServerAdministration Website.

Next restore all settings what you changed in Group Policy and restart your computer.Unfortunately Application Compatibility Engine will detect Virtual server services and blockthat again. So you have to go to the Virtual Server directory (Usually C:\ProgramFiles\Microsoft Virtual Server\) and rename the vssrvc.exe to something else (example:vssrvc_newname.exe). Open the registry editor and replace all entry which contains"vssrvc.exe" to vssrvc_newname.exe (path, DCOM object details, etc)Finally restart your computer and enjoy Virtual server 2005 at Windows 7 RC :)


ThxIT WORKS!using Windows 7 SP1 Ultimate 32 bitsThanksregards.

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