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Web-based Imaging
Management System
Working Group
Printer W
orking Group
Face-to-Face Meeting
June 25, 2008
Longmont, CO
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WIM
S W
G A
genda
•2:00 –2:10 Agenda, Introductions, etc.
•2:10 –2:40
Update on Current Projects
CIM Counters status (Ira)
CIM Printer Prototyping (Rick)
•2:40 –3:50
Imaging W
S-M
an Facilitator
•3:50 –4:00
Discussion of Next CIM Activities
PW
G P
ate
nt
Sta
tem
ent
•PW
G s
tandard
s m
ay inclu
de t
he k
now
n u
se o
f essential pate
nts
and
pate
nt
applications p
rovid
ed t
he P
WG
Chair r
eceiv
es a
ssura
nce fro
m t
he p
ate
nt
hold
er
or
applicant
with r
espect
to p
ate
nts
whose infr
ingem
ent
is, or
in t
he c
ase o
f pate
nt
applications, pote
ntial fu
ture
infr
ingem
ent
the a
pplicant
assert
s w
ill be,
unavoid
able
in a
com
pliant
imple
menta
tion o
f either
mandato
ry o
roptional
port
ions o
f th
e s
tandard
. This
assura
nce s
hall b
e p
rovid
ed w
ithout
coerc
ion. This
assura
nce s
hall b
e e
ither:
•a)
A g
enera
l dis
cla
imer
to t
he e
ffect
that
the p
ate
nte
e w
ill not
enfo
rce a
ny o
f its p
resent
or
futu
re p
ate
nt(
s)
whose u
se w
ould
be r
equired t
o im
ple
ment
either
mandato
ry o
r optional port
ions o
f th
e p
roposed P
WG
sta
ndard
again
st
any p
ers
on o
r entity
com
ply
ing
with t
he s
tandard
; or
•b)
A s
tate
ment
that
a lic
ense for
such im
ple
menta
tion w
ill be m
ade a
vailable
without
com
pensation o
r under
reasonable
rate
s, w
ith r
easonable
term
s a
nd c
onditio
ns t
hat
are
dem
onstr
ably
fre
e o
f any u
nfa
ir d
iscrim
ination.
•The P
WG
is n
ot
in a
positio
n t
o g
ive a
uth
orita
tive o
r com
pre
hensiv
e info
rmation
about
evid
ence, validity o
r scope o
f pate
nts
or
sim
ilar
rights
, but
it is d
esirable
th
at
any a
vailable
info
rmation s
hould
be d
isclo
sed. There
fore
, all P
WG
mem
bers
shall, fr
om
the o
uts
et,
dra
w P
WG
'satt
ention t
o a
ny r
ele
vant
pate
nts
either
their
ow
n o
r of oth
er
org
aniz
ations inclu
din
g t
heir A
ffilia
tes t
hat
are
know
n t
o t
he P
WG
m
em
bers
or
any o
f th
eir A
ffilia
tes, although P
WG
is u
nable
to v
erify
the v
alidity o
f any s
uch info
rmation.
Inappro
priate
Topic
s for
PW
G W
G M
eetings
•D
on’t d
iscuss t
he v
alidity/e
ssentiality
of
pate
nts
/pate
nt
cla
ims
•D
on’t d
iscuss t
he c
ost
of specific
pate
nt
use
•D
on’t d
iscuss lic
ensin
g t
erm
s o
r conditio
ns
•D
on’t d
iscuss p
roduct
pricin
g, te
rritorial
restr
ictions, or
mark
et
share
•D
on’t d
iscuss o
ngoin
g litig
ation o
r th
reate
ned
litigation
•D
on’t b
e s
ilent
if inappro
priate
topic
s a
re
dis
cussed…
do form
ally o
bje
ct.
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WIMS/CIM Project Status & Plans
�Im
ag
ing
Sta
te &
Co
un
ter
MIB
�
Do
cu
men
t P
oste
d�
Mo
re im
ple
men
tati
on
s?
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IM S
tatu
s�
Pri
nte
r M
OF
sap
pro
ved
an
d in
CIM
Sch
em
a V
2.1
9�
Co
un
ter
Cla
sses Q
uesti
on
Reso
lved
�C
ou
nte
r M
OF
sd
raft
ed
�P
roto
typ
ing
of
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nte
r M
OF
su
nd
erw
ay a
t D
ell
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ext
Pro
jects
?�
CIM
Pri
nte
r P
rofi
le�
Pro
vid
ing
fo
r C
IM e
lem
en
ts c
urr
en
tly s
up
po
rted
in
sta
nd
ard
MIB
s�
Pro
vid
ing
fo
r C
IM e
lem
en
ts f
rom
IP
P�
Oth
er
ele
men
ts
�P
riva
te M
IBs
(e.g
.,P
ow
er
Man
ag
em
en
t)�
Web
pag
es
�N
ot
pre
sen
tly s
up
po
rted
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CIM_ImagingStatisticalData
•CIM
vers
ion o
f Counte
r M
IB
•Ir
a H
as p
oste
d:
•CIM
_Im
agin
gM
edia
UsedSta
tisticalD
ata
.mof
•-
concre
te -
media
used d
escription p
ropert
ies a
nd
impre
ssio
ns
•CIM
_Im
agin
gM
onitorS
tatisticalD
ata
.mof
•-
concre
te -
monitoring, availability, and t
raffic
counte
rs
•CIM
_Im
agin
gW
ork
Sta
tisticalD
ata
.mof
•-
concre
te -
images, im
pre
ssio
ns, and s
heets
•CIM
_Im
agin
gSta
tisticalD
ata
.mof
•-
abstr
act
-pare
nt
cla
ss for
all c
ounte
r cla
sses
•ft
p:/
/ftp
.pw
g.o
rg/p
ub/p
wg/w
ims/c
im/m
ofinput/
ira-2
0080615.z
ip
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CIM_ImagingStatisticalData
Issues?
•M
appin
g s
trin
g length
(overf
low
?)
•Base c
lass inclu
des c
onfig
changes. D
o w
e s
till
want
to inclu
de t
his
? M
ay b
e d
ifficult t
o
imple
ment.
•Should
there
be a
tim
esta
mp (
TO
D o
r counte
r)
with t
he c
ounte
rs?
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CIM_PrinterPrototyping
•Pro
gre
ss -
(Ric
k)
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MIB-CIM Converter for W
S-M
AN
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•B
ackg
rou
nd
fo
r C
IM a
s p
ath
way t
o W
S-M
AN
•P
rin
ter
MIB
to
CIM
co
nvert
er
uti
lity
fo
r n
ew
an
d
up
date
d P
rin
ter
CIM
Cla
ss
es
•A
rgu
men
ts r
ela
tive t
o P
WG
part
icip
ati
on
•W
hat
ab
ou
t M
IB t
o W
S-M
AN
?
•C
om
pu
ter
Syste
m E
lem
en
ts –
Us
e o
f u
tility
fo
r M
IB-I
I
an
d H
R M
IB e
lem
en
ts
•H
an
dli
ng
of
Ele
men
ts n
ot
in P
ub
lic M
IBs
•IP
P E
lem
en
ts
•P
rivate
MIB
ele
men
ts
•O
ther
(WS
D?
)
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Backgro
und
1.
SN
MP, although w
idely
im
ple
mente
d for
imagin
g
devic
es, is
consid
ere
d incre
asin
gly
inadequate
to
pro
vid
e d
evic
e/s
erv
ice m
anagem
ent
in t
he inte
rnet-
oriente
d e
nvironm
ent
•security
pro
ble
ms
•in
here
ntly a
“lo
cal”
pro
tocol, n
ot
appro
priate
for
use o
ver
the inte
rnet
and t
here
fore
not
com
patible
with r
em
ote
m
anagem
ent
•not
com
patible
with t
he c
ollection o
f W
eb S
erv
ice p
roto
cols
th
at
are
bein
g g
enera
ted, and w
hic
h a
re incre
asin
g b
ein
g
used for
netw
ork
com
munic
ation.
•ro
w/c
olu
mn s
tructu
re o
f M
IBs
is n
ot
optim
al fo
r quic
k
access t
o d
esired e
lem
ents
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Backgro
und
2.
With t
he p
opula
rity
of W
eb S
erv
ices, th
ere
is a
m
igra
tion t
o u
sin
g t
he s
ecurity
, com
munic
ation,
dis
covery
and o
ther
capabilitie
s o
ffere
d a
s p
art
of
Web S
erv
ices for
serv
ice a
nd d
evic
e m
anagem
ent.
In
deed, it h
as b
een s
uggeste
d th
at,
if hard
copy
devic
es a
nd s
erv
ices a
re n
ot
manageable
by a
web
serv
ice p
roto
col, a
t som
e p
oin
t in
the futu
re t
hey
sim
ply
won't b
e m
anageable
at
all o
n s
om
e s
et
of
corp
ora
te n
etw
ork
s.
3.
Managem
ent
by W
eb S
erv
ices d
oes n
ot
use a
MIB
m
odel, b
ut
requires t
he m
anagem
ent
ele
ments
to
be in a
XM
L S
chem
a. For
WS-M
an, th
e o
nly
public,
sta
ndard
definitio
ns s
o far
are
CIM
obje
cts
.
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Backgro
und
4.
The D
MTF h
as d
evelo
ped a
n a
uto
matic m
echanis
m
for
convert
ing C
IM M
OFs
into
W
S-M
an c
om
patible
Schem
a.
5.
The W
IMS W
G h
as c
onvert
ed t
he c
ritical
managem
ent
info
rmation in t
he P
rinte
r M
IB into
CIM
MO
Fs, and is c
ontinuin
g t
o g
enera
te M
OFs
for
imagin
g d
evic
e a
nd s
erv
ice m
anagem
ent
info
rmation.
6.
Dell inte
nds t
o p
roto
type t
he P
rinte
r M
OFs
cre
ate
d
with a
MIB
to C
IM im
ple
menta
tion a
nd v
erify
with
a C
IM B
row
ser
(not
a W
S-M
an A
pplication).
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Request
It h
as b
een s
uggeste
d t
hat:
1.
a p
roduct
level M
IB t
o C
IM c
onvert
er
would
make t
he
exis
ting b
ase o
f SN
MP s
upport
ing im
agin
g d
evic
es
manageable
by w
ith W
S-M
an.
2.
havin
g a
base o
f m
anageable
devic
es w
ill encoura
ge b
oth
th
e inclu
sio
n o
f im
agin
g d
evic
es in W
S-M
an applications
and t
he u
tilization o
f w
eb s
erv
ice m
anagem
ent
by
ente
rprise insta
llations.
3.
it is in t
he inte
rests
of th
e industr
y (
not
just
som
e
indiv
idual com
panie
s)
to e
ncoura
ge t
he inclu
sio
n o
f im
agin
g d
evic
es in W
S m
anagem
ent
applications a
nd W
S
managed insta
lations.
4.
and t
here
fore
, t
hat
the P
WG
should
take t
he initia
tive t
o
encoura
ge, by s
om
e m
eans, th
e a
vailability o
f such a
MIB
to
CIM
convert
er
pro
duct.
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Questions:
•W
ill a M
IB-C
IM c
onvert
er
make t
he S
NM
P s
upport
ing
devic
es m
anageable
by w
eb s
erv
ices?
•In
sofa
r as a
CIM
to W
S-M
an S
chem
a c
onvers
ion u
tility
is
available
, it w
ould
cert
ain
ly g
o p
art
of th
e w
ay. A W
S-M
an
application w
ould
als
o n
eed t
o b
e d
evelo
ped.
•W
ould
n’t t
he d
ynam
ic t
ransla
tion b
etw
een M
S-M
an
requests
/responses a
nd S
NM
P G
ETs/r
esponses
thro
ugh a
CIM
MO
F in
term
edia
ry b
e c
om
ple
x a
nd
cum
bers
om
e?
•?
•W
hy n
ot
use t
he D
ell p
roto
type for
the S
NM
P t
o C
IM
transla
tion?
•This
pro
toty
pe is e
nvis
ioned a
s a
lashup
inclu
din
g
pro
prieta
ry c
ode.
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Questions:
•W
ould
n’t t
he a
bility t
o m
anage S
NM
P s
upport
ing d
evic
es b
y W
eb
Serv
ices t
ake t
he p
ressure
off m
anufa
ctu
rers
to incorp
ora
te M
S-
Man in t
heir im
agin
g p
roducts
and t
here
by a
ctu
ally d
ela
y full
imple
menta
tion o
f M
S-M
an in im
agin
g d
evic
es?
•M
anufa
ctu
rers
im
ple
ment
what
their c
usto
mers
request.
Befo
re
there
is a
sig
nific
ant
dem
and for
WS-M
an c
apability, th
ere
must
be
sites t
hat
inte
nd t
o u
se W
S-M
an. But
to d
o t
his
, th
e s
ites n
eed a
sig
nific
ant
pro
port
ion o
f th
eir n
etw
ork
ed d
evic
es t
o s
upport
it.
So
there
is a
chic
ken a
nd e
gg s
ituation.
•There
is a
sim
ilar
issue w
ith m
anagem
ent
applications. There
will not
be a
sig
nific
ant
dem
and for
applications u
ntil th
ere
is a
sig
nific
ant
base o
f devic
es t
hat
are
WS-M
anageable
.
Makin
g e
xis
ting S
NM
P s
upport
ing d
evic
es W
S-M
anageable
will
facilitate
the t
ransitio
n b
y a
llow
ing s
ites a
nd a
pplications t
o u
se
their e
xis
ting b
ase, m
igra
ting o
ver
to inte
rnal im
ple
menta
tions.
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Questions?
•W
hat
sort
of PW
G a
ctions a
re e
nvis
ioned t
o p
rom
ote
a
genera
lly a
vailable
M
IB-C
IM c
onvers
ion c
apability?
1.
Pro
ducin
g a
docum
ent
fully s
pecifyin
g s
uch a
capability in t
erm
sof in
terf
aces, opera
tion, etc
?
•O
ne r
eaction is t
hat
this
would
be a
waste
of tim
e. The inte
rfaces
and o
pera
tions a
re a
lready d
efined. W
hat
is n
eeded is a
usable
pro
duct.
2.
A c
oopera
tive v
entu
re s
upport
ed b
y e
ffort
contr
ibute
d b
y P
WG
m
em
ber
org
aniz
ations?
•This
would
be c
um
bers
om
e a
nd d
ifficult t
o m
anage. M
ost
work
w
ould
be d
one b
y a
few
com
panie
s, and c
om
panie
s a
re t
ypic
ally
dis
inclined t
o m
ake t
heir d
evelo
ped s
oft
ware
public.
3.
Contr
acting t
he d
evelo
pm
ent
to a
com
pany, w
ith t
he
develo
pm
ent
expenses t
o b
e p
aid
by P
WG
mem
bers
, m
uch lik
e
the P
2600 P
P a
ctivity.
•A p
ossib
ility.
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Questions?
•Is
n’t t
he g
enera
tion o
f a p
ublically a
vailable
application o
ut
of scope for
the P
WG
?
•Although it
hasn’t y
et
been d
one, th
ere
is n
o r
eason w
hy it
could
not
be d
one.
•W
hat
about
Ira’s
idea o
f havin
g O
pen P
rinting d
o
this
?
•That
would
appear
to a
ddre
ss b
oth
the logis
tics p
roble
m
and t
he q
uestion o
f w
heth
er
the P
WG
could
reasonable
develo
p o
r even m
anage t
he d
evelo
pm
ent
of a p
roduct.
•Furt
her,
Ira
’s p
roposal goes b
eyond a
SN
MP t
o C
IM
convert
er
and goes t
he w
hole
route
to a
SN
MP/W
S-M
an
capability.
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Ira’s
Suggestion
•Ir
a M
cD
onald
has s
uggeste
d a
join
t PW
G/O
P
pro
ject
to d
evelo
p a
n o
pen s
ourc
e W
S-M
AN
CIM
Pro
vid
er
(i.e
., p
roxy)
that
speaks:
•SN
MP t
o t
he P
rinte
r M
IB in e
xis
ting p
rinte
rs
•W
S-M
AN
to u
pstr
eam
managem
ent
sta
tions
•Ir
a h
as o
ffere
d t
o m
ento
r im
ple
mente
rs (
printe
r m
anufa
ctu
rers
, stu
dents
, c
onsultants
, etc
.) a
nd
Ira w
ould
pro
vid
e lia
ison b
etw
een t
he P
WG
and
the O
P o
rganiz
ation
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Pro
posed O
pen P
rinting C
IM
Pro
vid
er
(OPCIM
P)
Pro
ject
1.
Use a
n e
xis
ting o
pen s
ourc
e C
IM p
roje
ct,
so t
hat
the O
PCIM
P w
ould
run o
n W
indow
s, Apple
Mac,
UN
IX, Lin
ux, etc
. Possib
ilitie
s inclu
de:
a)
Open C
IM (
Java b
ased)(
htt
p:/
/opencim
.org
/)
b)
Open G
roup's
OpenPegasus
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ge o
f CIM
Devic
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lasses
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her
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cts
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r>
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lTable
> -
prt
Console
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pla
yBufferT
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> -
prt
LocalizationTable
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lert
Record
> -
prt
Ale
rtTable
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_PrintC
hannel>
-prt
ChannelT
able
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_PrintF
inis
her
> -
finD
evic
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nputT
ray
> -
prt
InputT
able
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nte
rlock
> -
prt
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able
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_PrintI
nte
rpre
ter
> -
prt
Inte
rpre
terT
able
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_PrintM
ark
er
> -
prt
Mark
erT
able
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edia
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ment
incre
menta
l SN
MP s
upport
(w
ith e
xis
ting
libra
ries):
a)
SN
MPv1-C
om
munity first
(univ
ers
ally s
upport
ed b
y p
rinte
rs)
b)
SN
MPv2-C
om
munity s
econd (
for
perf
orm
ance)
c)
SN
MPv3-U
ser
third (
tric
ky d
ue t
o s
ecurity
configura
tion)
4.
Build s
ourc
e p
ackages a
nd p
ossib
ly b
inary
packages
for
severa
l deskto
p/w
ork
sta
tion p
latf
orm
s (
Win
dow
s,
OpenSola
ris, Lin
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.)
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o W
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an
capability a d
esirable
obje
ctive for
the P
WG
?
•Is
the O
pen P
rinting a
ppro
ach t
he m
ost
reasonable
way t
o a
ppro
ach t
his
?
•W
hat
should
be t
he P
WG
degre
e o
f in
volv
em
ent?
W
hat
PW
G M
em
bers
are
willing t
o p
art
icip
ate
in
this
PW
G involv
em
ent?
•O
pen S
ourc
e d
oes n
ot
pre
clu
de c
om
panie
s fro
m
inclu
din
g s
om
e o
r all o
f th
is in t
heir p
roducts
(s
uch a
s a
convers
ion u
tility
or
appliance, or
perh
aps e
ven in t
heir im
agin
g p
roducts
). S
hould
th
e P
WG
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positio
n o
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his
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