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HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
SEVENTY-SEVENTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY
ONE HUNDRED FORTY-SECOND LEGISLATIVE DAY
MAY 25, 1972
11:00 O'CLOCK A.M .
THE HONORABLE W. ROBERT BLAIRI #
SPEAKER IN THE CHAIR
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A roll'call for attendance was taken and indicated that
a11 were present with the exception of the following:
Representative John B. Brandt - illness;
Representative James Carter - illness;
Representative Bruce L. Douglas illness;
Representative John P. Dcwnes iilness;
Representative J. Horace Gardner - death;
Representative Thomas R. Houde - nc reason given;
Representative Lillian Karmazyn - no reason given;'
Répresentative Harold A . Katz - no reason given;
Representative Henry J. Klosak - illness;
Representative Robert E. Mann - no reason qiven;
Representative Walter McAvoy - no reason given;
Representative Micheel McDermott - illness;
Representative Robert F. Mcpartlin - no rear n given;
Represehtative Gale Schisler - death in the family;Representative Edward J. Shaw - death;
Represenpative' Isaac R. Sims - no reason given;
Representative James Taylor - no reason given;
Representative Michael F. Zlatnik - no reason given;
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Doorkeeper: ''A11 those person who are not entitled to the
floor, please retire to the Gallery. Thank you-''
' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The House will be in order. The in-
vocation this morning will be by Dr. Johnson.''
Dr. John Johnson: ''Lord God of our fathers, lest we forget
that you open your hand to satisfy the desires of your peop e,
a nd that we are sustained each day solely by your compassio ,
let us begin thii session by remembering with thanksgiving
the bounty you have bestowed upon ourvstate. We thank you,
O God, for the endowments of natufe, the riches of the
. deposits of coal and ore, the goodness of our soil, the
cattle on a thousand hills; our fruitful plains, our abunda t
pastures, our industries, sehools and libraries; ouç arts,
our sciences, and all our labors. You have richly blessed
us with the fruiks of the earth. Grant now that we 'are
mindful enough to repeat the words of the Psalmist: ,0
give thanks to the Lord, for he is good; and his mercy en-
dures forever'. Amen-''xe
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman'from ah.. Franklin, Mr.
H a r Y . ' '
Hart: ''Ah.. may the record chow, Mr. Speaktr, that Representa
tives Brandt, J. Y. Carter and Doqenes are absent because of
illness?''
Hon. Robert Blair: ''The Journal will so show. For what
purpose does the gentleman from Vermilion, Mr. Craig, rise?'
Craig: ''Will the records nlease show that Mr.. Representative'Ga1e Schisler is absent due to a death in his' family?n
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Hon. W. Rofert Blair: ''The Journal will so indicate. Message
from the Senate.'' '
' Fredric B. Selckei ''A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright,
Secretary. Mr. Speaker - I am directed to inform the House
of Representatives that the Senate has adopted the followin
Senate Joint Resolution, in the adoption of which I am in-
structed to ask the concurrençe of the House. Senate Joint
Resolution 62 adopted by the Senate, May 24, 1972. Kennet#
Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker - I aï directed to inform
ihe House of Representatives that*the Senate has passed
Bills of the following titles, in the passage of which I
am instructed to ask the concurrence of the House. Senate
Bill 1353. Passed by the Senate, May Q4, 1972. Kenneth
Wright, Secretary.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Committee Reports-''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Mr. Randolph, from the Committee on Reven e,
to which House Bills 4384, 4621, 4628. 4640, 4649, 4670,
4671, 4672. 4673 were referred. reported the same back with
the recommendation that the Bills do pass. Mr. Regner, fro
the Committee on Appropriations, to which House Bills 4084,
4252, 4260, 4420, 4505, 4522, 4614, 4617 were referred, re-
ported the same back with the Amondments thereto, with the
recommendation that the Amendments be adopted and that the
Bills, as amended, do pass. Mr. Regner, from the Committee
on Appropriations, to which House Bills 4094, 4310, 4457. 4188, '4499
, 4615, 4616. 4653 were referred, reported the same bac
! . ' with the recommendaticn that the Bills do pass. No Turther
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Committee Reports.''
Hon/ W. Robert Blair: ''Senate Bills Third Reading. Senate
Bi11 1358...
F dric B. selcie: nSenate Bill 1358 an Act making supple-re #
mental appropriations for certain distributive expenditures
of the Department of Public Aid. Third Reading of the Bill ''
H W Robert Blair: ''The ah.. gentleman' from ah. . Cook, Mr.On. .
Genoa Washingtcn-''
G. Washington: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House, Senate Bill 1358 makes a supplemental appropriation
of $129,000,000 to the Department of Public Aid to cover *
expenses of income maintenance and medical costs for the
poor of Illinois. By May 31, the Department's matched
appropriation wilï be entirely exhausted ? have bee
used to sustain the services to the present time. ?
have exceeded projections on which the fiscal year, 1972Record was based. The grant programs to the aged
, dying
and disabled to families with children and in qeneral assis ance ..-M ' - .
These subsequent increases in recipient cases have brought
about a deficiency in monies appropriated for Medical Assis -
ance which accounts for mcre than fifty percent of the re-
quested deficiency a/propriations.' The deficiency amounts
by programs are aged, blind and disabled, $15,400,000, aidto families with dependent children, $19,000, generalassistanee, $21,900.000, medical assistance, $75,700,000,.making a total of $129,000,000. The passage of this Bill i
critical to meet the needs of the most vulnerable of our
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State. The Biàl becomes effective upon passage. I urge%.my colleagues to vcte 'aye' for the passage of this ah. .
Bill. ''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: nFurther discussion? The question...
The gentleman f'rom ah. . Cook, Mr. Shea.''
Shea: ''Wi1l the Sponsor yield for a question, please?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair : ''He ah . . indicates that he will . ''
Shea : ''Genoa, as :( read the Bill, it has $75, 700 , OOO in for
eneral. . ah . . Po' r medical assistance under Article V ofC
' P blic Aid Uode ' Is that correct? ''the u .
G . Washington : '' It is . '' *
Shea: ''Now can you tell me, at the time that we passed the
original appropriation Bill, was there a line item vetoed
b the Governor in' this çategory reducing the amount in they
original appropriation? ''
G. Washington: ''I believe that that is true.''
Shea: ''Do you know how much the Gov'ernor originally cut out
of this portion of the program?''
G. Washington: ''l don't have the figures, Representative Shea
But, I believe that something was cut out .''
Shea: ''so, in other words, the Governor cut an area in the
medical assistance pfogram and no* finds himself in a posi-
tion where he's got to put it back in. Is that about where
wepre at?''
G. Washington: ''l believe that: at one time, it was hoped tha
.it would be possible to reduce the amount of the appropria-
tion. And, act:,ally, the amount has been reduced in some
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6categories . The medical assistance program is one of those
in which it was believed that it could be reduced. But,
circumstances over whieh nonp of us had any control has pre
vented it frçm being reduced any more than the $75,700,000
in the Bill.''
Shea: ''Now, with regards to the ah . . $21,900,000 in the gen-e ra1 assistance area, at one time, Director Weavor trans-
ferred from this category to a category.. . another one of
the categorical programs some $20,000,000. Do you know if
that transfer is still in effect or did he transfer that
money back into the general assistance programa''
G. Washington: ''AK.. I believe that it was transferred back.''Shea: ''Well could you tell me .why would he and the Governor#
make an administrative decision to transfer the loney out?
Why d d they transf er it back? Did they f ind that they
didn ' t have enough money in the account to pay the obligà-tions?''
G. Washington: am not informed as to that point, ah.. Repr -
sentativï Siea. And, 1, with all due respect to you. I
would suggest that his excellency would be the best sourceah.. of the answer to that questicn
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Shea: ''Thank youe Representative.n
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from ah. Lawrence, Mr.
Cunningham.u
R. Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, we arehonored today tc have the students from'the West Salem andBone Gap Grade Schools in the East and Rear Bal
cony. I hope
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theybl: stand up. Grover Burkitt is Principal. Welcome.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The ah.. gentleman from ah. . McHenry.
Mr. Hanahana''
Hanahan: ''Would the gentleman yield for a questiona''
Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''He indicates that he wi11.''
Hanahan: ''Representative, at this late date June . .. almost#
June, wefve got one month left. How much money is owed rig t
now at of this date in the deficiency on ah.. public aida''
G. Washington: ''AK.. I am not informed as to any that is
presently owed. But, iE is necessary to pass this supple-
mental appro/riition Bill in order to prevent the condition
of which you're speaking to come to pass.''
Hanahan: ''Yeah.. Could you.. Could you. Could you, please,
Sir... What I'm curious about is with one month left before
the July lst cut off-''
G. Washington: can't understand ycu .''
Hanahan: ''What I1m... What I'm curious about with one
month left before the cut off of July 1st. hcw do we knowA
what is going to be owed in the ah . . out of the appropria-
tion? In other words, why did we not take and .. and amend
the regular appropriation Bill to includé this amount of
money and expend it after July lst if we don't owe anything
as of June lsta''
G. Washington: ah.. understand that the money is necessary
now in order to pay these supplemental grants. I believe '
the ah.. synopsis of the ah.. of the Bill indicates ah. .
that. It sayro 'makes a supplemental appropriation to the
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Department of Public Aid for certain distributive expendi-
tures' to complete the fiscal year ending June. 3Oth'. So,
it is for the purpose of completing the expenditures for
the fiscal year that this appropriation is being asked .''
Hanahan: ''Well, I.. I know it's not your fault, Sir, you know
as a House Sponsor of a Senqte Bill to have those answers#
at your fingertips. But, it seems very odd that, you know,
we continue tc increase this appropriation to Public Aid
and we continually need the increases. I'm not saying that
it's not necessary, but it's the way we're going about it.
. Instead of somebody being truthful, factual and coming in
and saying. 'this amaunt of money is needed today in the
budget for the next fiscal year'. I wonder if this amcunt
is going to be included in the anticipation of next year.
And, as long as we're at' June 1st, why we just didn't in-clude it in the fiscal year of '73's budget so that we cöul
expend .it that way instead of a special Bi11?''
G. Washingtan: ''I believe that ah.. there are many views ofthe best method of ah.. handling this. It appears that tho e
who are responsible pregently for its handling have chosen
this method. And, I believe, that I'm in a position to
assure you that for next year these items will be taken int
consideration and will reflect this situaticn that exists'
now that causes us to cdme and ask for a supplemental appro
priation,''
Hanahan: ''Olank you.''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook Representa-#
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tive Palmer.''
Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker, could we have some order in the House?
. We're talking about $129,000,000 of supplemental appropria-
tion on Public Welfare that is of concern to every constftu
ent that any of us has in this House. can hardly hear
them and, I thinke this is a matter of great importance-''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? The
gentleman from Livinqston, Representative Hunsicker.''
Hunsicker: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,
I'd like to speak to the Bill. O/e year ago, I voted again t. the $61,000,000 deficiency appropriation that was beforethis House. I stated at that time, in 1972, in all proba-
bility, it would be at least a hundred million. I was wron .
Today, thpy're asking for $/9... $129,000,000. Next year,
1'11 predict they'll need $200,000,000 unless firm steps
are taken and some welfare reforms enacted . Now, I know
that I've been accused of being a hard thick-skin Legislato
who has no sympathy for the poor. But, I emphatically denyve
this. I am not opposed to aid for the sick , the disabled.
t he blind and the elderly. I am opposed to aid for the
greedy. not the needy. I did a little investigating in my
home town last winter and I'm going to relate what found.
I'm sure that if any of you will take the time to investiga e
that you'll find the same holds true in your respective
community and we will never whip the public aid problems
as long as these practices exist. Now , listen real closely .
Ry Wife, going through the food line in the food market,
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saw a couple with a cart full of groceries at the checkouk
. counter. They had two pounds of gainesburger dog food for
which they had to pay cash for. And, these sell for 97
cents in our town. Soe that's $2.04. Nowy I know that
they used food stamps. to pay for their groceries but they
had to pay cash for the gainesburger. The clerk told my
wife that the day before a little boy came in with a note
from his mother wanting a can of this and some cans of
that and also four cheap. ribeye steaks. Now, this was paid
for with food stamps. And, the clerk told my Wife, 'I'm
working and we can't afford cheap ribeye steaks like that'.
Ande I told this story to the qarage man who put my snow
tires on about a week before Christmas. He said that his
wife was gbihg through the checkout line and she saw a man
with dog food. He was told that he had to pay for that in
cash. So, he tcok it back to the food.. or to the counter
where he got it.. to the shelf and he came back with a smal
roast for' his dog paid for by food ptamps. Now, I know
Illinois Public Aid doesn't pay for food stamps but they co e
from the Federal Government and they're still taxpayers
money. Another man told me'that he saw a lady go out with
some grcceries that she had paid f'or in the same way and
saw her get into a brand-new 1972 Chevrolet. A teller at
a bank told me about a .lady who came in to purchase food
stamps and then went down several windows and deposited
$2 O00 in her savings acco'unt. At the Homebuilder's Associ =
tion Breakfast recently, which many of you attended a buil er#
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from my District informed me that he was buflding a homefor a lady who is on Illinois Public Aid. I said., 'My good
nqss. How do you get yoùr moneya'. He said, 'Illinois
Public Aid pays part of a monthly payment and HUD from
the àederal Government pays the oEher rart'. Now, Gentlç-
men and Ladies. this is the last straw when public aid re-
ciprients can build new homes by the sweat of people who
labor for a living. We will never solve the public aid
problem with this kind of a program that we presently have.
Abraham Lincoln said over a hundred years ago, 'We can not
build up the poor by tearing down the rich'. For these
reasons, I'm going to have to vote 'no? again on this de-
ficieney appropriatione''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleraan from Macon. Representa
tive Borchers.''
Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker and Fëllow Members of the Hou.se 1.. #
don't want to repeat some of the observations of Repre.. .
of Representative Hunsicker. 1, toc, feel that we owe the
old, theeblind, the poor that ah. . whose husbands have left
or died or ah.. or with children, ah.. help. But, I want
to repeat that I have many stories similar to those of
Mr. Hunsicker. Hardly ah.. month gces by that a woman in
my community does not call me and say that/ 'Today. . Today
or now, I have just left the supermarket where I saw the
woman ahead of me purchasing and paying with food stamps
food that I couldn't afford for my family . My husband'works in Caterpillar or ah.. in Staleys or in t14e Mueller
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company. I Cannot afford it. When these things are going
n I think it's time w: vote 'no' upon these appropriationO ,
that are being handed out wholesale. I'm going to predict
that within one year, based on the percentage.. the project di ase in welfare costs it's going to b'epercentage of ncre ,
one billion five hundred million in the year 1973, 1,500,
000,000. I want to take up a little bit about.. ah.. menti n
something that ah.. about'i.luD and welfare and ah.. welfare
stance. In our Area, they are actually buying and selling '
vzelfare stamps. You can see right outside of where to go
to get them. at the Brentwood and the ah.. Fairview Plaza
Area. They ah.. ah.. In relation to the ah.. HUD and wel-
fare in our tcwn, they have just... they have housing
authorities who just authorized the building of a hundredand eighty-five houses in scattered sites throughout the
it These houses are brick veneer. They are goingcommun y.
to be better than the houses next door that the men and
the women and children live in that are producing and payin
for this tax lcad. They're going to be betterl Here will
be a man... Here will be a man working hard in one of our
factories, paying fpr his own home. paying for a six or
seven percent interest and next door to him will be a famil
moved in, paying maybe three percent interest and have a
better house, paid for through our .welfare and our rederal
Government through HUD. Well, 1. don't want to keep on on
this because. as I said, the story is so incredible, so
ï tremendous in its various facets. ko man could cover it@
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all. But, it's something that welve got to meet and. . and
stop. So, I say that we should vote ''no' to shcw that we
are displeased with this hundred and thirty-five millions
of dollars ih addition because it's going to be twice that
much a year from now and just in deficiencies-''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook , Representa-
tive Maragosw''
Maragos: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, before I get
into the merits of the Bill and discussicn and ask the
Sponsor some questions, I would also like to have an item
of personal privilege to introduce a class of Burnham *
School who is up.. up in the Balçony. Mr. ahv . Paul
Conolly and Mrs. Mary Stahlmack and a few others adulacs
there who are representing a wonderful class of school,
ah.. Burnham School, whieh is a District of Mz . Collin's,
Mr. Lenard and Myself, frcm Burnham, Illinois. It's a
suburb of the City of Chicagp. Would they please rise?'Let's give them a big hand. Mr. Speakerw - w
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Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Representative Maragos, would you
proceed, pleaser'
Maragos : ''Yes , tkf7wp I ' d like to , if I may, Mr . ah . . Speaker
and Members cf the House, as the Sponsor of Ehis Bill some
questions regarding this ah.. deflciçncy appropriation.''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates hedll yield -''
Maragos: ''Representative Washington, could you please ah . . .,
unfortunately I was not here at the time you explained the
purpose of this Bill. And, therefore, I would like to get
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some further explanation, if I maye as to why were these
deficiencies brought about ah.. and why dc we need this
particular additional expenditure to be made on their be-
half? Would.you please explaina''
G. Washington: believe ah.. Representative Maragos, that
the expenditures that are required by the Law that we passe
in the General Assembly are more than the money that has
been appropriated for those same purposes. In order to
keep the integrity of the State that weire asking for this
deficiency.''
Maragos: ''But, isn't it true also, Mr. Washington, that there's. .
i been an added ah.. that more people have been put on the ' rosters because of the bad economic conditions that were
not anticipated at the time that the original budget was se
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Washington: nThat may be ohe cf the elements that entere'd
into the increase in the number of applicants for public
.assistance. That cculd well be- ''
Maragos: 'iooes this supplemental appropriaticn ccver all phas s
of the welfare programa''
Washington: All that is known to the' Department at this
Eime.''
Maragos: ''Thank you.''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-
tive Peter Miller-''
P Miller: ''Mr. Speaker Ladies and Gentfemen of the kouse,* r
it isn't too often that I rise to oppose Members of the Adm'n5.-
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stra..... ah.. Appropriation Team supported by the Administr -
tion or supported by my Colleague. However, I think, that
. I would be remiss in my duty to the people of the Eighteent
District who pay these heavy burdens of taxation and for
people, as I term, the taxeers. The taxpayers are sick and
tired of deficiencies. They want. the people to get back on
the.. the paying of the taxes and get back on the work pro-
gram. And, if you keep adding to deficiencies, you're
creating a monstrosity that's going to ultimately cause
a tax revolt in this state. On the Wally Philip's show.
j ust the other day, I heard a lady call Wally Philip and sa
that she was in a supermarket and in front of her was a
woman with food stamps. She followed this lady out into
the parking 1ot after she hàd purchased the food, saw her
j.get nto a huge cadillac and it had a license plate from
Pennsylvania. Now, that's like adding insult to injury,
pouring salt into the wounds of this taxpayer. And, Wally
Philips is going to investigate this, I understand. Now,
if we do not begin to curtail these deficiencies and place
these people back on work program so that they can get into
the habit of paying taxes #nd 1ay off the' backs of the
people in my District and other Districts who have sympathy
who are concerned that we have to take care of education.
We have to take care of the handicapped, the mental insti-
tutions, the highways. And, if we're going to continuously
increase deficiencies for the people who are on our backs,'you're going to kill the goose that laid the golden eqg .
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And, all I can say is# that I've said rbpeatedly here, that
this is getting to be a colossal joke. We must... We must,
at àome pcint, oppose deficiencies. And, I'm asking my
Colleagues to go back. We've created human relations offic s.
We've created so many things here for the ones who are
suppose to be the unfortunate, who can't find work in the
highest period of prosperity in our Nation. We're having
increase upon increase for welfare. Can't these people
get on the work programs. I voted for education . I even
vbted for Malcom X College because I felt you got to either
educate these people or else you'll feed them . Now . I am
going to oppose Yhis deficiency because, I think, at some
point, we must stand stiff in our facts and say 'no'. And,
I think, if you send this bpck and ask them to ah . .' and we. .
as a warning for the future. Somewhere we must stop glving
away increases upon increases and deficiencies upon de-
i i ies And I cannot in a1l gcod conscience supportf c enc . , . ,
this deficiency. I'm going to oppose it when the' vote come
up. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? The
gentleman from Bureau, Representative Barry.';
Barry: ''I have a' question or two of the Sponsor, please.''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he will yield-''
Barry: ''Genca: sat with .some people who provide health
services to ah.. our medically infirmed people who ah. . use
to be in our State Institutions. Ahd, I don't know which o
the categories that ah.. of the Billubefore us, whether it'
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the medical assistance under Article V or general assistanc
for medically indegent. Which one.. Which one of those
categories would provide the monies ah. . to the ah.. long
term care façilities ah . . to care for people that were
formally in our State Insftutions? Could you tell me?''
G. Washington: ''l'm informed and believe and on that informa-
tion believe and state that it is one of the medical
assistance programs .''
Barry: ''Well, it's probably not too important. My point is,
Genoa, ah.. do you kncw what is built into the appropriatio
. Bill in the way of dollars per month to the lcng term care
facilities? Now/ I say that because th/ people I sat with
last evening, I think , you know that a great many of them
our in town, people that I sat with told me that' they were
getting $200.00 per mcnth to care for these pecple. And,of course, the reason for the switch ah
. . several years àgo
was to ah.. get Federal monies fpr'that purpose. But, they're
getting a total of $200.00 per month ah. . for the care of
iat'were transferring from the Institutions ah. .
topeople t
G e private homes. And, they say they can't stand it any
longer. And: think you know that ahw .in the past,
' we used to ah.. it used to cost us 4 or 5 dollars a day for
the care of the same person in th& Institutions. I thinkmy question is, are we sure that we've got enough money herah.. considering the fact that a lot of these ah
. . longterm care facilities are doing to be tuining down transf
ers.
There's no obligation involved for them to accept.. ah..
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accèpt .the transfers. And, I just wonder what kind of moneper month wedre going to' allow these people in the future?
. And, what kind of shape we'll be in if they decide they
don't want them?''
G. Washington: ''Well, Repfesentative Barry, the questions tha
you raised have already been anticipated within the Departm nt
and are presently under study. But, there are so many
variables in the' prcgram making it impossible at this time
t o have specific answers. But, I can assure you, your
concern is also the concern of th: Department. It is under
study by the experts. And, I'm sure that they will do thei
best endeFvors to come up with an answer that would be
satisfactory to al1 persons concerned .''
Barry: ''One.. Onc last questiön. What.. What amount is allot d
in this budget per patient or per resident per month in a
long te.rm private facility that is transferred ah . . ah..
persons that are transferred-s- ''
G. Washington: .,.1.. I'm sorry. I've lot you. Will you pleasZA
start againa''
Barry: ''Okay.. Alright.. How much per month is going to be
allowed by this apprcpriation to a long Eerm care facility
for the care of a patient that fcrmally was in an Institu-
tion?''
G. Washington: ''I ah.. believe that that amount varies with
these variables of which I've spcke. That is why it is im-
pcssible, at this time, to fix the amount.''
Barty: ''We11: can you give me a range? Is it $200.00 to
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$400.00 a month or.. or ah.. just what? I understand from
1 in ' thatthe people that I sat with at dinner ast even g
they're getting only $200.00 a month and they cân't afford
to stay in business. And, therefore, will be refusing such
patients in the future. Can you tell me kE there were any
increases built into this?''
G. Washington: ''I believe that as close as it is possible for
me to come down to that, aM.. the fiqure ihat I would use,one that isn't necessary, just plucked out of the air, would
be $200.00 a month to begin with, subject, of course, to
these variables of which I've spoke that could alter it from
case to case.''
Barry: ''Thank you very much .''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion?' If not,
the gentleman from Cook, .Representative Washington. to clcse
the debate.. Does someone seek recognition? The gentlemanfrom Cook, Representative Caldwell- ''
Caldwell: ''Yeaha., Mr. Speakeç, I wonder I could' ask one or
two questions of the sponsora''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he'll yield-''
Caldwell: ''Ah.. Representative Washington, ah.. my concern is
àh.. we're asking for $135,000,000 supplemental part of this
budget. And, I recall last November when ah. . a11 of the
welfare program was about to -close down. Ah.. I know that
ah.. some transfers were made and ah.., eventually after
several emergency meetings across the State the welfare#
program continued. Well, could you tell me where that money
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came from and ah.. if it has been dh.. replaced ah.. from
where it was borrowedan
G. Washington: ''AK.. I believe', Representative Caldwell, tha
there is intùrchange ability between the programs. In.. In
the opening statement, I believe I stated ah.. that the
Administration had utilized all of the transfer ability tha
waE permitted under the present Law. 'But, notwithstanding
that, we find ourselves at the point with this deficiency.
But, the amount is no longer $135,000,000. It was that.
But, eeonomies have been factious since the Bill was drawn.
And', I believe. that we are asking now for $6,000,000 less. .
And, it is constantly under review and as it can be reduced
it will be. But, these are minimum figures-'' . Caldwell: ''Well, I'think that our concern here in the Legis- .
lature is that with our experience in reference to public
aid generally that ah.. Mr. Weavor and his Department shoul .* * y
have, by this time, have suffieient experience to cqme in
and ask for whatever is needed so that we eould ah.. get itx-e '
al1 in one lump sum rather than have these emergency situa-
tions, allow the Department or the Governor or somebody to
be ah.. tapping ah.. ah.. various ah.. funds that were sup-
pose to be untouchable. And then. we ah.., at this time
of the year, we come in for defic'iepcy appropriations. And
then pretty scon, they'll be asking for the regular budget.
What I'm suggesting is that does this present Bill spell ou
what in the.. in the. view of the Department. Ah.. you have
enough money. I'm not worried about Pete Miller and some
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of these other people harping because ah. . the public aid
budget is not ah.. black proposition . It's ah.. It's ah..
monkey on the back of the State as I've said for the last
six years down here. And, what IIm suggesting is that we
quit using the public aid budget for a whipping board in
giving some of our friends on your side of the aisle the
opportunity to get up here and.. and do a little political
campaigning. Now, ah.. ah. . don't want you to feel that
I'm picking on you but. I think, you're being used over the e
to.. to come in here and asking for, you say, for a $6,000,00O budget and get a half a dozen guys up over there and
. .
and.. and make their campaign speeches and go back and get
re-elected next Ncvember. So, my question..ow''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Representative Juckett, for what pur
pose do you rise, Sir?''
Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker. I think that this... the gentleman
on the other side is entirely out of order. He's not talki g' about the merits of the Bill. And, I think, he should be
indedeto confine his remarks to qthe Bi1l.''rem
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Would you please confine your remark
to the Bill, Representative Caldwell?''
Caldwell: ''1'11 be happy to, Mr...''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: OThank you, Sir.''
Caldwell: ''1.11 be happy to, Mr. Speaker. I think I've been
down here now this is ah.. I'm in my sixth year . And.
least, every term, we arrive in the General Assembly at the
point where we are now. And, I'm getting sick and tired of. .
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of.. of some of our friends on the other side of the aislee
particularly, using t%e public aid and welfare budget to..
to launch their campaigns, particularly since the new Const' -
tution provides that it's not going to be so easy. So, wha
I would like to see Representative Washington do is tc have
the Department of somebodyw, of some of the specialists ove
there from the Governor's Office or somebody's office-..''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Representative Miller, for what pur-
pose do you rise, Sir?''
P. Miller: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, ah.. gather that he's refer-
' ring to me. I ah.. I was the only one that made a talk
against it so far. And, he's talking about campaign. I'm
not a candidate for re-election. So, he's out of order whe
he says that I'm using this as a campaign issue. think
that he.. he should be a'dmonished for referring to me-''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Representative Caldwell, do you wish
to proceed, Sir?''
Caldwell: ''Sir, '1 stand to be corrected. I think that I did
read in the paper a couple of days ago where the ah . . Repre
sentative Miller, who has served in b0th sides ah . . in 10th
sides of this General Assembly, is going to make a very
gracious jesture ein order for us to retain the expertise
of the ah.. Majority Leader. I want to commend him for tha .
' And ah.., wonder what he's got up his sleeve now. Now, 1et s
get back to the ah.. I simply want Representative Washingto ,
Mr. Speaker, to ah.. maybe get some concrete figures. I
think the' Members of this General Asosembly, when you come i
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here and ask for a deficit, when we almost ah.. broke up
the Assembly beginning last November and extend it over a
period of several months where we had to.. those up in Chic go
get up before'day and had emergency meetings and there
were all sorts of ah.. ah.. ah.. threats andsoforth. And,
there were marches here to Springfield. And, I think, that
we ought to cut this foolishness out of.the public aid and
welfare. And, I want to re-emphasize the fact that said
last Fall, and I repeat it. There are more poor white folk
in Illinois than there are poor black folks. And. I think
we ought to cut out this foolishness. Always, when the
public aid budget comes up, somebody gets up and makes a
speech and says that all oE t'heir blacks are lazy and.. and
ah.. looking for a free ride. I think that we better get
down to business and get on with the ah.. ah.. business
that the people elected us for and stop this foolishnesskn
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentlvmïn from Cook, Representa-
't ive Graham. Did ycu seek recognition, RepresentativeA
Graham?''
Graham: ''Mr. Speaker: I move the previous question, please-''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''rAe gentleman has moved the previous
question. A11 Ehose in favor signify by saying 'aye', the ' . ' opposed 'no' the gentleman's motion prevails. Representa-#
tive Washington is recognized to close the debate-''
G. Washington: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House, it isn't a pleasaht thing to reèognize the fact that
within our State that there are persons who need the passaq
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of this deficiency Bill. The passage of this Bill is criti al
even to life and death of many of our citizens. And, I
urge an 'aye' vote. Thank you-''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The question is: 'shall Senate Bill
1358 pass?'. Al'1 those in favor signify by voting 'aye',
the opposed by voting 'no'. The gentleman from Macon,
Renresentative Borchers. to explain his vote-''
Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker, in relation to ah.. explaining my
vote, I would like to point out that approx... a little ove
40,000 people came here to this State in 1971 to get on cur'
welfare iolls. I predict that approximately 50,000, becaus v
the word is spreading throughout the South particularly,
ah.. will come into this year of 1972 to the State of Illi-
nois to get on our welfare rolls. Now, they say' some leave
The records shcw vthat that is true, but the records show
that we still have this predominance of vote.. of people' $
coming in. Now, I have to bring. out a few fisllres and I am'sorry that I have to do this. Because of what was said is
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one of the reasons I'm voting. Based on projection, a pres ntincrease in the City of Chicago, there will be fifty.. over
fifty percent black by 1981 or thereabouts. On the present
situation, eighEy-twq and a half'percent. of them will be on
welfare. I think that the people'of Chicago should take
a good look at themselves in what's going to happen this
continues as it 'is now in the'future. In relation to Insti
tutions. I would like to >oint out that thousands have been
taken out of the Institutions and put into the communities
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and are being paid for as has been stated already on the
floor. I would like also to point out that not one cent
has been reduced from the budget of the Institutions in whi h
these people have been taken out of and put on the welfare
tolls. The Institutions, like Jacksonville and others are
.getting just as much money and more than before. There's
been no transfer of funds from these Institutions to the
welfare department to help make up for these thousands and
thousands of.people that welfare has put on, namely in the
State of Illinois. And, this is Law. And, I think, we
should go a11 out and vote 'no' certainly til the end.. to-
waris the end of Ahe.. of the Session to show our displeasu e.u
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Have all voted who wished? Take the
record. on this question, there are 44 'Ayes'. . . Represent -
tive Shea, for what purpose do you rise, Sir?''
Shea: ''Representative Davis apked for recognition .''
Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Did yoù want recognition, Sir? Did
you want recognition Representative Shea?''
Shea: yield to Representative Davis.''
Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: ''The gentleman from Cook , Representa-
tive Davis.''
Davis: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of this
House, I hold in my hand this book. I've heard a 1ot of
these talks this morning. But, if ycu'd take a little time
to read it, it says, 'The Holy Bible' and this Nation was
founded on it. No question about it. Ahd, the survival'of it rests right in 1t. This Book says, despite all of the
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argumepts you've heard here this morning, 'The poor you wi1
have with you always'. From every State. the Holy Bible.
And: I'm sure you subscribe to th@ Judea Christian Principl
that this Nation was founded upon. From every State, from
every town, from every village, 'The poor you will have
with ycu always'. We're pouring pillions, and there's no
question about it. millions, millions, to try to make peopl
of foreign Nations love us. I know .. I don't know whether
we'll ever be able to make them love us. Bute in all
admiration, charity begins at hcme. of these texts
remind me of a story that they tell about a businessman.
A businessman rushed into a Hotel Manager, and he had a big
bouquet of flowers in his hand, and he said in a sympatheti
tone, 'These flowers are for the switchboard operator'. Th
Manager of the Hotel looked up at him and said, 'I'm very
pleased. Thank you, Sir. I'm sure she'll appreciate the
compliment on her fine service, you bringing her these flow rs'.'
T;e businessman roared and said, 'Listen, I'm not talking.M
about any flcwers. I thought she Was deadl. I thought
that this argument that has been raised here this morning
was dead. We have a Public Aid Advisory 'Committee. Andy
we haven't had a Special Session called in this Legislature.
And, it cost a lot of mcney for Special Sessionsw -
''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''One.. One moment, please. For what
purpose does the gentleman from Cook , Mr. flyde, rise?t'
Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker, we have ah.. a lot of matters on the Cale -
dar. The gentleman's two minutes are up and I would sugges
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that he' ah.. terminate his remarks.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes.. You're.. You're ah.. Your point
' is well taken and your two minutes are up. On this questio ,
there are 44 'Ayes' and 26 'Nays' and this Bill having
failed to receive a Constitutional majority is hereby de-
clared lost. House Bills Third Reading. House Bill 1569..'
Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 1569, an Act to license regula e
Collection Agencies and provide fcr the Administration in
an Act to create an Advisory Board to'provide for penalties
and make an appropriation in connection therewith. Third
Reading of the Bill.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The ah.. gentleman from Jchnson, ah..
Mr. Mccormick.'l
Mccormick: ''Oh1 I didn't know that I was on. The Eact is
that I'm not sure that I am on. Mr. Speaker, I've been up
here a 'long time. Ycu knowy there's times when you should
do something and times when you shouldn't and I don't know
whether this is the time that you should or shouldn't. But,
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hcuse, this Bil1.. I've worked
on this Bill now since last- . Oh1 I don't know when it
w as introduced, last April, I believe, a year ago . It 's
been a year. And, we've worked hard with.. in the Committe
and we've worked with the ah.. Credit collection Agencies
Organizations themselves. And, we have ah.. worked with th
Department of Financial Institutions in working out this
program. And, I know of .no.. no place in the State of Illi
nois where there needs to be regulations for the creditable
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ah.. operation of these Agencies in any other field that's
needed as bad as this. .And, if you don't believe it, if
you'll go out into the Areas in Illinois where you have un-
reliable credit collection agencips operating and see the
way and the methods that they use to make the people come
to their knees and.. and to.cause the hardships, I think
you would agree/ What this Bill does, it set up the ah..
the licensing regulation o'f the Ageney. It appoints a
Committee or a Board tq supervise this under the.. the ah..
the Depax-tment of Financial Institutions. And, I ah.. woul
appreciate very much the passage of this Bill, if it could
ke done today.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The ah.. gentleman from ah. . Franklin,
Mr. Hart, is recognized on the Bill..'
Hart: ''That's the purpose èor Fhich I got up. Ah.. due tp th
fact that there's so much noise in here, I missed about Ehe
last half of the explanation . I wonder if Mr. Mccormick
could repeat it?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright. .' The ah..''
Hart: ''And, then I would like to ask some questions-''
Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman ah. . from Johnson,
Mccormick-''
Mccormick: ''Now. first of all, Dick, in setting this up , we
first set it up for a Board of five people. Andzthen, in. .
in méetipg with some of the objections, I think of ah.. som
of the people that Representative Ccllins is close to andmaybe Representative Kipley over here'. was determined
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that we needed to amend the Bill tp make it six and . . and i -
clude a Member on there of the people that actually print
these ah.. ah.. some of the forms that they use in the col-
lection business'. Then, in addition to that, ah.. we passe
an Amendment that was requested by ah.. Representative
shea and.. and eliminating the Home Rule Units of Governmen
in Illinois. Nowe the thing that I say is real important,
and it's very unusual for a group of people to come into tlae
General Assembly and 'ask to be regulated. But, what happen
is that in Illinois, you or I today can go out and set us
. up a Collection Agency or.. or ah.. and.. and we can go to
collecting bills.' We can use twist arm methods. We can do
anyway we want to. We can threaten people ah.. with any
means that we want to do. Now, this doesn't have anything
to do with the legal aspects as far as what the Attorneys
have, i) you read the Bill.. And ah.., I.. I just think thaitdll clean that particular ah.. business up in Illinois
and make it a legitimate business al1 the way along .''
Hon. W. Robe'rt'Blair: ''The gentleman from Franklin, Mr. Hart,
on the Bi1l.''
Hart: ''Ah.. Well, C. L., as I understand it, Amendment No. 2
exempted Hcme Rule ah.. Units. Who's going to license ah . .
Home Rule...# you know.. you know.w Home Rule Units? Who'
going to license these people?''
Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Johnson, Mr. Mccorm'ckx''
Mccormick: ''Of couse. if I could of had exactly what I wanted,
I wouldn't had that ah.. particular thing in the Bi11. You
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know that. The only thing that I'm thinking is that if we
set this up, and thought I had it here, there's not
' very many Home Rule Units in Illinois that are going to
participate in this anyway. And, I thinke if we could pïss
it like this. if we have to do it this way to pass it and
get it set up, I believe, sincerely that the rest of the
State that either the Local Units cr Home Rule Units will
follow the pattern or maybe next Session, we'll come back i
and there will be enough feeling that' the Home Rule Units
will want to give up that particuïar Section of the Law.''
Hart: ''Well 1... Now, You.. You accepted the Amendment on
the Home Rule Units?''
Mccormick : ''I didn't hear ycu.''
Hart: ''I say did you accept t%e Amendment on the Home Rule
Units?''
Mccormick: ''l accepted the Amendment because ah . . I felt that
, I would have that to do-''
Hart: ''I don't remember any ah.. debate about it on the floor-''
.A .
Mccormick : ''Well, it was on the flcor or it couldn't be
announced...''
Hart: ''Well, I know. But, I vmean, if you'd of asked for som
help on you might of got some.because well, ah.. I will
ah n
Mccormick: nMaybe I failed on that particular thing-''
Hart: ''Now ah-., secondly.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well one moment, please. Ah.. Are yo . .#
Wel1.. Just.. Just a minute.. Just a mcment now. Are you
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seeking recogniticn? Alright.. Just.. Just.. Just.. Now.
just a moment.. Just.. Just.. Just a moment. Just a moment
There is a two minute ah.. explanation of vote. And, the
gentleman from Cook. Mr. Hyde, raised the question and the
time clock showed that your two minutes had been used up.
And, I announced the vote. Now: there is a procedure on th
Rules whereby a person can ah.. have hiq vote recorded and
ah.., if you care to proceed with that, why we will enterta'n
you at that time. Now, the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.''
Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, do 't
.know if this is ah.. Scene 11 of Act I of the charade that
we're seeing here this morning. But, I do know that the
Rules ought to apply to everybody. I don't care how senicr
they are. I donft. care what District they repregent. They
get two minutes to explain their vote, not twenty-twc minut s
md not twelve minutes. And, the Rules ought to apply
equally to everyone. And, that's./ And, that is what..
That is what your Ruling is. And, 1.. I would like to furt er
point out that that Bill was defeated because the Democrats
did not vote, nct the Republicans.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The gentleman from Johnson,
Mr. Mccormick, ah.. proceed.''
Mccormick: ''Mr. Speaker, ah.. may I ask that you take my Bill
out of the record?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Alright.. The gentleman..
Does the gentleman have leave? Alright'.. We'l1.. We'l1 take
that out of the record. Now, for what purpose does the
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gentleman from ah.. ah.. cook, Mr. ah.. Shea. rise?''
Shea: ''Might I have an opportunity to answer the Majority
Leader?''
Hon. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Ah . . it's a littïe unusual,but go ahead.''
Sheaz ''It's a little unusual, Mr. Speaker, when a man is up
explaining his vcte and getting ready to vote that he's not
recognized nor asked how he's voted .''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Nowy I've already explained that very
clearly. There was a point cf order raised by the Majority
Leader that that gentleman's time had run out on the explan -
tion of vote. The 'red light' above me showed that. And,
just as the Majority Leader said, the Rules apply unifocmly
here. And, the vote had been taken and I announced it.''
Shea : ''But Mr . . ''#
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Now ...''#
Shea: ''Mr. Speaker..''
' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''House Bills Second Reading . Hcuse Bil
3608..,
Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3608, a Bill for an Act to
implement and regulate lottery within the State. seeond
Reading of the Bill.''
Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman is not in his seat. Tak
it out of the record. Oh1 Take it back . He's back. Put
it back in.''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''AN.. three Committee Amendments. Amend-
ment No. 1, amend House Bill 3608 on page 1, line 2, by in-
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serting immediately before the period the following: 'and
to make an appropriation in connection therewith'; andso-
f oi-th ''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Committee Amendment No . The gentle
man from ah.. Winnebago, Mr. Giorgi.''
Giorgi: ''Mr. Speaker, Committee Amendment No. 1 was suggeste
by the Executive Committee and it was Committee Amendment
No. which was suggested by the Appropriations Committee.
But, I'd like to move that 10th of those Amendments be
adopted and then tabled because I have Committee. . I have
Amendment No. 3 which will clean up those first two and get
rid of the first two. So, I move that Committee Amendment
No. 1 and Committee Amendment No. 2 be adopted and then
tabled-''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The 'ah.. gentleman from rranklin,
Mr. Hart, is recognized on the Bil1.''
Hart: ''Ah.. Zake, ah...before you do that, I think there's
a serious question now thatts going to arise about Secticn
vII, Article ah.. ah.. of the Constitution about appropriat
ing and ah.. legislating ah.. substantively in the same
Bill. And ah.., I wonder if you wqnt to give some thought,
you know, I'm interested in this Bill too, ah.. in favor ofit. I wonder if you want to give some thought to
, perhaps,
leaving the appropriation off of this Bill and introducing
a separate Bill. Perhaps ah.., getting leave to advance it
without reference ah.. to have a covpanion appropriation Bill
to this lottery Bill and ah.. ah. . a/oid any possible ah . .'
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34.
complications that we might run into, ah.. assuming this
Bill 4ot pass the Governor's desk. I think that this is
ah.. a ah.. a very real question and I%d hate to see this
matter go up or down constitutionally os that particular
thing when it can be easily solved. ''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Winnebago, Mk.
Giorgi.''
Giorgi: ''Mr. Speaker. I'm very well familiar with the ah. .
thoughts injected by Representative Hart. I've listened'
to quite a number of these Bills in the Committee on appro-
priation and I feel that ah.. he has a good very valid
point. But, I feel that if my Bill is allowed to get out
of the House eventually that I could take care of that litt e
problem in the Senate and then solve the whole thing on
concurring Committeçs so thit ah.. I don't think that the
Bill would be in jeopardy that way. I$d like to see... F'd
like to renew my motion to ah.. table Amendment No. and 2
Committeex Amendments, and move for the adoption of Committe
Amendment No. 3, please.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? Alright. . The
gentleman has offered... The gentleman from Cook . Mr. Simmo s.''
Simmons: ''I ah.. I would like to ask the Sponpor a questionvn
Giorqi: ''Certainly.''
Simmons: ''In what way does Amendment No. that you tabled
differ from Amendment No. 3 that you seek to adopt?''
Giqrgi: ''Well, there's quite a number of ifems, Art, in Amandment No. 1 that I'm ah.'. The Amendment No. didn't com-
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35.
pletely clean up the problem as suggested by the Executive
Committee.''
Simmons: '1Well, I've read them b0th and there identical. ' The
ones I have.'' .
Giorgi: ''Yes. but Art, I'm going to table Amendment No . 1 and
2. And. then you have a copy of Amendment No. 3 on your
desk so that you can peruse it at your leisure .''
Simmons: ''I have... I have Amendmen: No. 3 on my desk, at leas
that what it says it is.'' ,
Giorgi: ''You can't have Aïendment Nc. 3 because it hasn't
been adopted yet or. . or ah..''
Simmons: ''What is thisa''
Giorgi: ''That's not the Amendment -''
Simmons: ''It says, 'Amendment No. 3'.1.
Giorgi: ''To what Bi1l?'' ' '
Simmons: .'3608 '' '
Giorgi: ''That's not my Amendment. You shouldnft have a copy
of Amendment No. 3 in your han'dse even though you are a.A
!privileged character.'' iIHon. W. Robert Blair: ''There are three Committee Amendments
;the Clerk says-'' '
' Giorgi: ''No, Sir. Where did they get the third one. '' E
Fredric B. Selcke: '''offered in Appropriations by Representa-
tive Giorgi'-''
Giorgi: ''Read it, will ya? Read it.''
. Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Well,.. . Well, why don't we ah . .''
' Giorgi: ''Read Amendment No. 3, would you, Clerk?''
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: 'Yait... Wait a minute.. Now. wait a
minute. Let's do it one at a time. Is khere.. Is there
ah.. The question before us is on Committee Amendment Nok l
and 2. And, I understand that you want to offer and move .
to table those. Now, the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Simmons,
is raising questions concerning Amqndments l and 2?.'
simmonsr ''T asked him why he wanted to table No. l when it's
identical to No. 3 that I have a copy of on my desk ?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Ah.. Amendment No... Commit-
tee Amendment No. l is identical vc'th Committee Amendment
No. 3. Committee Amendment No. l was ah.. ah.. adopted in
ah.. Executive and was offered by Garmisa. And, Amendment
No. 3 was offered by the gentleman from Winnebago, Mr,
Giorgi in Appropriations and' it was adopted. So, l.. l and
3 are.. are the same, identical. Now ah.., the gentleman
from Cook, Mr. Simmons, did you have any further questions '
concerning . . . ''
Simmons : ''Wel1, I would think that if he wants to table Nc . 1--' J
and 2 , he also ought to table Nu . 3 and go with a No . 4 . '' l;;
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Ah.. ah.. Does the ah.. gent e- j' !
. ;man want to ah.. do what he suggested?'' i
. Giorgi: ''Exactly- '' 'I
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright-. 'rhe question is then ah ..
the gentleman from Winnebago ah-., Mr. Giorgi, ah.. moves E
ah.. the adoption of Committee Amendment 1, 2 and 3 and '
then asks leave to have those three Amendlents tabled. Doe ;
%e have leave? Alright.. Ah.. those Amendments are tabled.i1
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Now. are there further Amendmentsa''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendmqnt No. 4, Giorgiy amend House Bill
3608 on page 1, line 2, by inserting immediately before the
period the following: 'and making an appropriation in con-
nection therewith'; and in line l0. by inserting immediatel
before the period the folloèing: 'and for replacement',
andsoforth.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gëntleman from Winnebago, Mr. Gior i.''
Giorgi: ''Mr. Speaker, I Bm informed that Amendment No. 3 is a
exact duplicate of Amendment No. So, there's nothing
lost there. But, the Amendment No. 4 picks up Amendment
No. 1 and 2 and it does what the Executive Committee and
the Appropriations Committee wanted them to do. It cleans
up the language and it has corrècted some errors and it
insures that the money wiql go from the lottery.. ah.. the
net income frcm the lottery will go into the Common School
Fund and in the Fund to make up scme of the tax loses suffe ed
by the Local Governments in 'the Bills that are going to be..A
forthcoming from ah.. Representative Nowlan, Representative
Blades and the ah.. chapces that were found Constitutional
by the Supreme Court ah.. Monday morning. Now, Mr. Speaker#
'
we have tabled 1, 2 and 3 and we're moving for the adoption
of Amendment No. 4.'.
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Discussion? The questioh is
on the adoption of Amendment No. A11 those in favor
say laye' opposed 'no' the 'ayes' have it and the Amend-
ment is adopted. Are there further Xnendments? Third
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38Reading. Senate Bills Second Reading
. Senate Bill 1130.0Fredric B.vselcke: ''Senate Bill 1130, an Act to amend Secticn
12-10 andsoforth of the 'Illinois Public Aid Code'. Second
Reading of thq Bi11.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The ah. . gentleman from ah.. Cook.Mr. Moore.''
Don A. Moore: ''Wel1: wait.. Wait a minute.. Alright.. Whenwe were on this order ah.. the other day, we adopted l and2 and.. and then held the Bill on second
. For what purpose
does the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea, risea''
Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, I'm wondering if the Sponscr might hold
this for a few minùtes. Representative Krause is off the
floor. And, on the First Amendment. ah.. I had some ques-
tions about it. Then, Director Weaver got ahold of me and
sat and talked to me for. a few'minutes. I don't kncw if he
saw you this morning. But, I'd like to talk to you about
our conversation with him .''
Don F. Moore: e'We1l, Mr... Mr. Speaker, I ah.. have woried ou6* ith Representative Krause. Ah. .apparently,
an Amendm nt w
he is not on the floor. I iave no objection to holding ituntil he returns because he does' understand the Amendmentànd ks in favor of it. So, we'll hold it for a moment
.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take. . Are you.taking that out of the
record now. Okay.. Back to House Bills Second Reading.4408.''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4408, a Bili for an Act to pro-
vide for the time and deposit of fees collected pursuant to
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Law by any elected or appointed official or Local Governmen .
Second Reading of the Bil1.''
' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''For what purpose does the gentleman
from Cook. Mr. Davis, rise?'' '
' Davis: ''Mr. Speaker, I rise to ask you to grant me the privil ge
of calling a Democratic Caucus so that we can get tcgether
to see where we are in this thing.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair:' .'Well ...''
Davis: ''We11. I'm just asking for it-''.Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well 1....'. *#
. i. . IChoate: ''Are you asking me to call a Conference of the Demo- .
Cratic Memberszl'
Davis: ''Yes, Sir. I'm asking for Conference.'' . .
choate: ''If the ah .'' '
Davis: ''A Conference.''
Choate: ''If the Speaker would allot me a Room, ah.. I would
be most happy to call a Conference of the Democratic Member .
And, I would suggest that we will be no more than thirty
minutes.'' I
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The ah.. I'm advised that
Room M5 ah.. is available. And ah... purs'uant to the
. Minority Leader's request, ah.. we will ah.. recess now un- .
ti1 the hour of 1:00 P.M. for the purposes of a Democratic
Conference.''
choate: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I would ask the Democrat'c'
5 immediately so Ehat we might getMembers to come to Room M
bâck on the floor of the House.''
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RECESS AT 12:24 O'CLOCK P.M.
RETURN AI 1:00 O'CLOCK P.M. ,
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.
The House will be in order-'' '
Hyde: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Houselah.. it gives me great pleasure to introduce, in the Galler , .
the brand-new Cqunsel of Austria to ah.. the State of
Illinois and to Chicago who is in our fair State ah.. very
newly'. And, this fs his, very first trip tc Springfield and. *
he's ah.. very impressed and I hope he stays that way. Mr.' Edward Adeler, the counsêl of Austria.''
l i ''Resolutions. Agreed Resoluticns.'' -Hon. W. Robert B a r:
Fredric B. Selcke: ''AK.. House Resolution 679, ah.. Capparell ,
et . a 1 . '' . .
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.''
Hyde: ''Ah.. Mr. Speakere Ladies and GenElemen of the House,
we have one.. only one Agreed Resolution. Ah.. and this on
congratuiates ah.. two Chicago Policemen, Joseph Ahrens and
ah.. Benedict Wiecla.. Wi.. Wieclawek, is the best that I
can do with that ah.. who recently captured a suspect.. twc
i chicago with' suspects in the murder of a young man ah.. n
excellent police work. And ah.., this congratulates them.
I move the adoption of the Agreed Resolution-''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: .'A11 those in favor of the adoption of
. the Aîreed Resolution say 'aye' oppcsed 'nay' the 'ayes# #
. have it and the Agreed Resolution is adopted. Are there
further Resolutions? Announcements? The gentleman from ah .
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Cook. Mr. Hyde.'' '
Hyde: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,
an.announcement of importance to ah.. everyone. .Monday.
ah.. will be a Holiday and ah.. on Tuesday of next week,
the only activity will be ah.. the Hearing of the l-londaye..
the regular Monday Committee. They will be heard on Tuesda
instead, ah.. Tuesday Committees on Wednesday and Wednesday
Committees cn Thursday. So, the regular weekly Committees
will be pushed ah.. forward or backward as you choose one
day. But ah-., Monday dommittees will be heard on Tuesday,
Tuesday on Wednesday and Wednesday on Thursdays. Now, the
first full Session next week will be at 9:30 A.M. on Tuesda
morning. I'm sorry, Wednesday morning.. Wednesday morning
at 9:30 A.M. will be the first full Session. Wednesday
Dorning. Now ah.w ancther problem. we have a soft ball
game ah.. that is sèheduled for Tuesday night. However;
since we are going in at 9:30 A.M. on Wednesday morning, ah..
I would hope that we would have enough' pecple down here
Tuesday hight ah.. for the soft ball game.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes ah.., on the order of further Reso u-
tions ah...''
Fr/dric B. Selcke: ''AK.. House Joint Resolution *136, Hyde.
RESOLVED, BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OP THE SEVENTY-
SEVENWI GENERAL ASSEAD LY OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, THE SENA#IE
CONCURRING HEREIN, that when the House adjourns on Thursday,
May 25, 1972, it stand adjourned uatil Wednesday, May 3l,
1972, at 9:30 A.M., and when the Seqate adjourns on Thursda .
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May 25, 1972, it stand adjourned until Tuesday, May 30. 197at 12:00 o'clock noon.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All those in Y vor of the Joint Resolu-
tion say 'aye' opposed 'no' the 'ayes' have it and the# #
'
Adjournment Resolution is adopted. The gentleman from Cock
Mr. Granata.''
P. Granata: .'Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I now want
to make a motion if you'd take your copy of a11 Bills, I wo ld
now move that al1 House Bills and Resolutions, carried on t e
d aily Calendar and within the co ntrol of the various Commit
tees of the House be tabled pursuant to House iules 32(c)
and 32(d). I now mcve that they all be tabled.n
Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAlright. Nowe welll have the Clerk
proceed to read ah.. these numbers. You a1l should have
these sheets before you. And, if there are any questions,
ah . . as that list is read, I will recognize you for a point
'lfhe gentleman f rom Cook, M . Shea . ''r
Shea : ''Mr . Speaker, I understand that there were some deletio s
or additiGns made to the list that was available to us last
nightm''
Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Ah that's correct-l'
Shea: ''Ah.. is there a supplement to that list?''
Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Those.. Those.. Those.. Up.. The up-
to-date lists has been given to the Staff on your side.:
Proceed.''
Shea: ''Thank you.''
Hon.. W. Robert Blair: ''Now ah.., read slow, Mr. Clerk. So,
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if there's any question and.. and say where these things
are position-wise ah.. when you start off.''
Fredrle B. selcke: ''House Bills Second Reading. H6use Bill ,
559. 1602, 1938. 2597. 3718, 3720, 3721, 3722, 3723, 3724.
3725....1'
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The gentleman from Cook,
Mr. Shea.''
Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, House Bills 3721 and 22 are Appropriation
Bills. I assume that the reason that those are being
siricken from the Calendar is because the Sponsor has re-
quest that that be done-''
Hon Robert Blair': ''That's correct .''
Shea: nThank you.''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''AN.. 4451. House Bills Third Reading.
House Bill 355...'' .
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea-''1.
Shea: ''Now, the supplemental list has House Bill 4465 as.. wi h
a line through it. That means that that was remdved fromv'
the list? ''
t Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes.. Yes, he did not read that.''
Shea: ''Thank you-''
Hon. Robert Blair: ''That was an exempt Bil1.''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ah.. House Bills Third Reading. 355, 734,
' 735, 1064, 1106, 1107, 1134, 1175, 1203, 1338, 1612, 1701,
1712. 1717, 1783. 1784, 1924. 2161, 2225, 2384, 2412, 2415,
2468, 2580. 2594, 2603, 2637, 27../..' j
Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''One.. One.. One. moment.. The gentleman
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from cook, Mr. Shea.''
'' ité regards to House Bill 2412 is that one of Mr.shea: W ,
Mccormick's Bills that has been taken or is that still in.''
Hôn. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman.from .lohnson: Mr. Mccorm'ck.''
Mccormick: ''I.. I guess you can hear me. This thing doesn't
Yeah.. Mr. Speaker, on 2412. that was the B'ill th tCome On.
Local Governments needed in order to ah.. rcmply with some
of this ah.. grants on.. on ambulance service. And, I thin ,
that 2412 should be an exempt Bill. Now, the other Ambulan e
Bills, we've reached an agreement on them that they be ah..
'ah.. studied in another Committee. But, 2412 leaves it up
t o a vote of the people on the Revenue. So. I think, it
should be an exempt Bill. It has a refer... It has a refer n-
dum attached to it, ah.. Mr. Speaker.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: .''Alright.. Weî11.. We'1l ah.. identify
that as an exempt Bill inasmuch as it addresses itself to
a.. a tax ah.. levy or referendum situation for Local... fo
Local Government. That will remain on the Calendar as an
exempt Bi11.''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ah.. House Bills Third Reading. 2741,
3661 ...''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''
Shea: nIs Representative Conolly on the floor?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''I don't see hi1.''
Shea: ''Well, 2794 and 95 through 2805, that series in there.
is that an exempt series for some reason?''
Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Yes ah.., I've ah.. In my judgement.
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those implement the Constitution .''
Fredric Selcke: ''3800. 4144. 4145. 4146. 4147. 41...''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentle..r One.. One moment. The
gentleman from Cooke Mr. Walsh. . William Walsh, do you have
a question?''
W. D. Walsh: had a general questione Mr. Speaker, ah..
dealing ah.. with the definition of Bills that are exempt.
I had one Bill, in particular, in ah. . on postponed conside a-
tion that ah.. seems to me would have been tabled at this
time that I do not see ön the list -''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Well, when we get to the
order of ah.. consideration postponed and. . and to whe e
that Bill is, why 1111 recognize you and we'll see where
we are there. Proceed, Mr..C1erk .''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''4148, 4212, 4246, é271. 4335, 4336*. 4345,4391, 4395, 4412, 4441, 4442, 4462, 4539. 4542, 4546, 4563,
4588, 4638: 4645, and 4646 . Under the heading of Motions...- 'i
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from ah. . ah.. Cook. Mr.A
Mcpartlin.''
Mcpartlin: ''AK.. Mr. Speakere on 4645 and 4646, those are con
sidered ah.. exempt Bills also .'.
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''yes.. Yes, that is correct. Ah..
apparently, it was thought that you wanted those to be in-
cluded and you do not. Is that right? Alright. . They are
in the category of being exempt. So, 4645 and 4646 will be
left cn the Calendar.''
Fredric B. Selcke: .'AK.. Motions on the Calendar. House Bills
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr.
Raysdn.''
Rayson: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, I would like to rise at this time
for a point of personal privilege. Alright?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yeah.. Okay.. Go ahead.''
Rayson: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ah.. They're calling the
Bills on a moti6n to discharge, House Bills 2240 through'
Representàtive Matijevich and ah.. O'Brien2255 which ah..
a nd a score of others >h.. tried to get through the House
and have full and complete hearings. We consider this as
a rather important package of protection Legislaticn, label ing,
unit pricing, open dating andsoforth, ah.. meat and poultry
inspection, credit law reform. And, we feel that we have
been shortchanged, Mr. Speaker, in not having a Hearing,
a full Hearing of the Ekecutive Committee to determine the
vote, a vote up or down on the matter. Now, feel, you kn w,
that we're entitled to this Hearing and we never gct it.
And ah.x, I could go intc long elaboration of the problem.
But ah.., the fact remains, as @ Member of this House, we
never in this whole Session in over a year were entitled to
have a vote on these matters. Now, I know that the disting ishs
Chairman of the Sub-committee promised that he would kave
further Hearings. And, I respect the gentleman's judgement
and we want further Heatings. And,. with this in mind, we
would hope that these Bills would remain somehow cn the
calendar for this purpose. Now, I might add further, Mr.
Speaker, that just this morning, a young woman from Park
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Forest called me to say that she went to the store and she
found that there .was Pork Sausage of Oscar Meyer's which
had been frozen but which had-an expiration date of many
days ago. And. she inquired and called me and I inquired.
And. we have just learned that Oscar Meyer freezes all oftheir Pork Sausages from the Manufacturing Plant. And, the
when it goes to the stores, it's still frozen and many peop e
buy this and it beeomes unfrozen and then they refreeze it.
And, we have a serious situation with this regard. I'm on1
pointing this out because it's relative to these Bills that
' we've never had a': full Hearing on and it's not that we have '%
had the cooperation of the Chairman of Executive and the
. Chairman of the Sub-commiEtee' other than we've had promises
för the Hearing of the final vote. It's only in'that regar ,
Mr. Speaker, I would hope that these Bills could be exclude
from this motion-''
Hon. W . Robert Blair: .'Well, the... they don't fall within'the category of ah.. Appropriations or Revenue or Consti-
A 'tutional Implementation or Reapportionmenb. And so# they
would be caught by ah.. the Rule.. Rule 32 ah.. which said' that those items.. àh.. House Bills dther than those cate-
gories have to be acted upon by.m.by last Monday of this
week. The gentleman from Cook, Mt. Rayson.''
Rayson: ''We11 I understand that, Mr. Speaker. And ah.., I
suppose, that's the reason for my plaintive remarks. It
suggests the frustration of not having the consideration of
the full Legislative processing regarding these Bills. And,
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48.I would ask for leave of the House ah
. . to have ah.. you,Mr. Speaker, entertain a motion that these Bills be ah..withdrawn from consideration of ihis motion until such timeas we have the Hearing promised
.''
Hon. W. Robert Blairl 'Yell, you'd have to suspend the pro-
visions of Rule 32 ah. . with regard.. with respect to ah..
those Bills because it will be. . because it is the Chair's
Ruling that they are non-exempt Bills. So, in order foryou to receive the eonsideration which you're requestingeah.. ah.. there would have to be q suspension of 32 andthat requires 89 affirmative votes
. The gentleman from Coo ,
Mr. Rayson.''
Rayson: 'tWell, Mr. Speaker: I would respectfully so move the
suspension of Rule 32 for this purpose.''
Hon. W. Rober: Blair: ''The gentleman fröm ah. . Winnebago, Mr.
North.''
North: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, ah.. on that motion, is that
a motion to discharge the Committee and...''Hon. W . Robert Blairl ''No
, it's a ah.. it's a motion . . No,it's a moticn to suspend 32 which ah.. said that via thetimeo..''
' Northz ''The timetable. .
''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes. .
''
North: ''Well ah.. , the only comment that I have on that. Mr.Speaker, is.. is where do you stop and start by taking offah.. these non-exempt Bills and
. . and ah.. putting them baeand leaving them on. . on the Calendar? don't think
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that's the proper procedure. And I would ah.. certainly
urge that ah.. this motion be defeated because you never
know when to stop and when to start on all of the rest of
. the Bills that will be coming up for disgussion .'' '
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Is there any further discus-
sion? The question is on the suspension of Rule 32 . 'All
those in favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. This '
i 89 affirmative votis. Have all voted who wished?requ res
The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there ar
48 'Ayes' and 46 'Nays' and ah.. the gentleman's motion ah . .
fails. The Clerk will proceed. Ah.. the gentleman from ah . . i
Cook, Mr. Palmer.''
Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I'd like to
introduce you to the Studenté of the Aero-special Educatio
District who are sittinq i'n the Balconv tc mv riaht from
. Burbank. Illinois on behalf of Representative Kipley, Reprè
sentative Yourell and Myself-''
''2243 2244 2245 2246 2247 2248 2249 . tEredric B. S:leke: . . . , , , ,i2250, 2251, 2252, 2253, 2254, 2255, 2433, 3773, 4299. 4344,..'. i
' ' '' '' (Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from ah.. Cook , Mr. E
Sçariano.'' '
Scariano: ''Mr. Speaker, a parliamentary inquiry. That motion k
has been pending and I served notice several weeks ago that
I wanted that next Legislàtive... on 'the next Legislative
Day, I wanted my motion considered to take from the Ccmmitte i
4nd place it on the Calendar. House Bill 4344. Now, ï'vei . 'been waiting patiently every day since the time that I serve i
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notice tkat this motion be called. And now, I find that
through inaction on the Speaker's part, this Bill is going
to be killed. Now, I think that wé're entitled to a clear
expression of what the policy of the Chair is. That is, do
we get a Hearing on a motion or through inaction cn the par
of the Speaker, are these Bills going to be allowed to die?
All I can do is make known my wishes to the Speaker which I
did a long time ago. I think it's grossly unfair to take.
y wee sthis kind of action wben that motion was served severa'
Irago.
Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''We1l, that Bill is a non-exempt Bill.
And ah. in order for you to ah.. ah.. ah.. accomplish wha
you ah.. indicate that you desire to do, it will be néceàsa
for vou to pursue the same course of action that Mr. RaysonI '''' ''' ,
did.f'
Scariano: I haven't got an answer to my parliamentary
inquiry. And, that is, a1l I can physically do is to sçrve
notice, bring it to the Chair and thatis the only reason
why it's on motion is because you've got a notice. I asked
that that be called and its never been called.n
Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''And, I'm saying to you that that's a
non-exempt Bill. And, under our deadlines, ah.. did not
move out of the House by last Monday. Ah.. so you would hav
to suspend those provisions of 32(c) with regard to that
Bill. And. that requires 89 votes which is the same amount
that would be required for your motion to pass too. So, you..
you made that motion? The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Scariano.''
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Scariano: ''Mr. Speaker, I haven't goi an answer to the ques-
tion as to why.....''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes, I'v' e answered the question. The
Clerk will proceed.''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ah.. 4477, 4560. Consideration Postponed.'
Hon. W. Robert Blair: 'Yait a minute.. The gentleman from
Pedria. Mr. Lauterbach.''
Lauterbach: 1'42. 99, Mr. Schoeberlein, I know, wants to retain
that Bill. And ah.., I'm sure that they circled that as to
being one that we wanted to carry through. That's a Glazin
Bill. I know, but we're going to pass it out of here and *
send it over there. I know. They want.. ''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We1l, that.. that is in the same cate-
' a non'- exempt Bill ah.. so it would ah.. wouldgory. It s
fall under.. under thelprovisions CE 32, having not been
considered' on Third Reading Xy last Monday. The gentleman
from Bureau, Mr. Barrym''
Barry: ''Idve got the same problem, Mr. Speaker, with.. withw-e '
a motion to discharge Committee. And, I wonder how many
votes is it going tc take to pass this motion of Mr. Granat 's.
Is thak going to take 89 vctes?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: '''Nq. it's a simple motion ah.. to table
which only requires a majority..''
Barry: ''We11 then-- ''#
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''This is strictly a matter between the
calendar because it's not the Chair's intent, if we did not
proceed in this fashion, to call any of these matters that
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ah.. we're going through. Ah.. Would the ah.. Well. we're
going to run this out in an orderly manner in accordance
' with the Rules. Now, if you want.to move with regard to
suspendinq... If you want to suspend the Rules. you certàin y
are... 1'11.. 1.11..1 1911 ah.. recognize you for that
purpose. And ah.., I indicated to you that ah.. to suspend
the Rules requires the same number of votes that it would
require you to a'ccomplish what you want to. . . what you want
to do with that Bill. Ah.. Proceed.''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Consideration Pöstponed- ''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''For what purpose does the gentleman .
rom Coo p . y
Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, would it be possible for the Members to
hold a Bill of that nature 6n the Calendar, not strike it, :
knowing full well that it's going take a motion to suspend
the Rules that, perhaps, we could have that motion on anoth r
day?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yeah.. That's alriqht. This is onlyxe
a clean-up procedure we ' re going through as f ar as the Chai i concerned. If the gentleman f rom Peoria, Mr. Lauterbach,1 E;
would like to have that motion remain on the order of Motio s,
. we can leave it there. And ah.w .if Scariano wants his lef '
there, we can leave it there. But ah .-: the ah.. ah.. The
gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr . Rayson.'l '
Rayson: ''We11, if I understand you correctly that ah .. on a
request that the motion to discharge that was properly file'
by the Rules on a written motion for the next Legislative D y,
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' do I understand, that that will remain on the Calendar?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: '%Well, do you want 2240, 42 and 2255
an'd 2433 left on the Calendar?'' '
Rayson: ''Yes.. Yes, I would-.''
' Hon. WJ Robert Blair: .'Alright..'' '
Rayson: ''Because welve been promised further Hearings on the
matter and I fee1.-.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Alright.. I don't wm t it to
be misunderstood though for leaving on the Calendar. . on
the Calendar that that in any way affects the ultimate disp -!sition on those Bills insofar as the Ruling by the Chair
ah.. eoncerning Whether they are exempt or non-exempt. Now, I' 20..40.. So, 4299.. Motion on 2240. . Right.. 2242, 2255,
i2433. Alright.. That's right. Leave those on there: For I'
. :what purpose does the gentleman from Union Mr. Choate, ris ?''' :. . . . . ' jChoate: ''A point of inquiry, Mr. Speaker.'' . !
Hon. W. Robert Blair: nState you point .''
Choate: ''The motion that Representative Scariano ha's. . has be nx '
discussing, am I to understand that it's still alive on the
Calendar?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''I've said... Wepre going back now to
t he motions ând ah.. we're starting with the gentleman from
. Cooky Mr. Rayson's because those are the first Bills that'
are on there. Now. wedll get to Mr Scariano's situation!
there in just a moment.n
Choate: ''Alrighto.'' '
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Op Rayson's 2240, 2242 through 2255 '
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and 2433, we'll take those out from under the motion to
table that's being offered today but ah.. without any ah..
indication on the part of the Chair as to what the disposi-
tion will be 'when we get to those matters ah.. on the
Calendar. Now, does the gentleman from ah . . Lawrence, Mr.
Cunningham ah.. have a similar request on his 3773?''
R. Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker, if it wou'ld not be an agressi n,
we would be most grateful if it could be retained-''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Leave.. Leave that ah.. on
there. 4299. Okay.. Leave that on there and 4344. leave
that on. Now. 4477, ah.. do you want that lefta''
R. D. Cunningham: ''Ah.. Yes, Mr. Speaker, if we might-''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''And, 456*0, Mr. Barry, you want that. .
do you want that left? Alright.. So, we will not include
ah.. any of these motions.. the Bills on.. the categories
under motions ah.. in the motion to table. Now, proceed-''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Consideration Postponed. 3...''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The.. The gentleman from Cook, Mr.
William Walsh.''
W. D. Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker, first of all, ah.. this kind of
strikes me as an exercise in futilityk Aren't these Bills
strieken anyway Yy the Rules that .wedve adopted? And, since
the ah.. day for extending ah.. ncn-exampt Third Reading
Bills in the House has come and gone, ah.. these Bills, in
effect, are tabled anyway. Are they'nota''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Thatfs right.''
W. D. Wa1s14: nWe1l, then, I think, the question is ah.. what
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is the.definition of an exempt Bill. And: the thing that
brings it to my mind is that there is a Bill that is on
Consideration Postponed on the Calendar that ah. ., in my
opinion, is non-exempt and without indicating my feeling '
on the Bill for or against, why does not House Bill 1856
appear on the list of Bills to be tabled? Not appearing
here: it would seem to me that the Bill would be exempt.''
Hon. W. Robert Blai'r: I have ah . . yesterday ah.. ruled
ah.. on that question and ah.. for Mre-scariano that that
was an exempt Bil1.'' '
W. D. Walsh: ''For what reason?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well because of the tax levy, ah.. I
rtzled . . . . ''
W . D . Walsh : '' It ' s a loca 1 tax levy . . . ''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''I understand that and the ruling has
been that the Chair has made that Revenue insofar as an
exempt category ah.. includes ah.. State and Local Revenue.' '
W. D. Walsh: ''We11. that was not my understanding. Alright..
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Your welcome.''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Consideration Postponed. 318. 319, 338,3854 558, 581, 757, 758, 759, 760. 761, 762, 784. 829, 1148.
1171, 1312, 1331. 1347, 1575, 1749, 20.....'
Hon. Robert Blair: ''Wait.. Wait a minute, now. The gentle
man from Cook Mr. Shea.'.#
Shea: ''Mr. Speakere with rqgards to House Bi11 1171, that is
Mr. Katz's Bill. Mr. Katz, he were here, I'm sure would
..zt 3 l.cp.n% G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yf ' tv).: 4 . . '('1
, jh1) . svxxs os Iuu,solsf.)s. z)j',...J. .- soqjsc oe sseasscav sv . w cshtlly; . . s e .. .. . .ï !! . .
. make a motion. He was home, sought to be brought home las
nighE- His wife is very seriously ill. And. I ask leave
ah.. of the Speaker to leave that on the Calendar subject. to a motion-''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Ah.. yes, in answer to your
question ah.. without ah.. disposing on the questiohs of
the merits of llt1 as to its being exempt or non-exempt. '
Ah.. we will leave now. subject to a later motion, ah..1171 on.''
Shea: ''Thank you.e
Fredric B. Selcke: ''2071. 2077, 2129, 2192, 2196, 2378, 2423,
2452, 2587, 2701, 2718, 3742, 4080, 4273, 4467. Second
Reading. Consideration Postponed. 1116, Constitutional
Amendment ah.. First Readihg. Consideration Postponed .
. ' .
IHouse Joint Resolution Constitutional Amendment *12. Ah.. !
' Bills by Committee. Executive Committee. 83, 84, 85, 8/, k'
487, 88, 89, 9O, 9l, 92, 93, 94, 95, Got have it on the tape. '
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96, 97, 48, 99. 100, 101, 102, 103, 104. 105, 106, 107. 1OB, .
109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120.
121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132,
133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139', 140, 141, 142, 143, 144,
145, 146, 147, 148, 157, 309, 315, 370. 815, 1173, 1622,
1637, 1759, 1793, 1806, 2083, 2143, 2174, 2175t 2372, 2458,2488, 2549, 2554, 2729, 2857, 2858, 3070, 3547. 3548, 3549,
3605, 3676, 3765, 3771. 4204, 4277. 4470, 4471, 4472, 4473,
4474, 4514, 4566, 4583. Elementary and Secondary Education.
9 l 4274 4275 4306 4492 '4497 4498 4512 456435 0, 373 . , , , , , , , ,
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4624, and 4627. Public Welfare-..''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''One moment, please. The gentleman
from Bureau, Mr. Barry.''
Barry: ''Mr. Clerk, I think you read 4627. I wonder ycu
were error and it should have been 4624 on the last call-''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ah.. 4624 is the last number on the. . on
the fourth column. 4627 is the first number on the next
coltunn . ''
Barry : ''Thank you . ''
. Fredric B. Selcke: ''Public Welfare. *1068, 1069, 1082, 1087,
1918, 2168, 2413. 2469, 2834, 2835, 2852, 3592. 4482.
Personnel and Veterans Affairs. Ah.. 4560, 263, 560, 1646,
2583, and 3553. Environment. 392, 394, 1803, 2262, 2,616,
2677, 3069 3589, 3693. Pensions. 4125, 4127, 4562, 1194,$
1839, 2459, 2526, 2527, 2611, 2660, 2666, 2710, 3615/ 3616.Higher Cducation. 58, 253, 589, 822, 823, 1077, 1691, 1755,
1791, 2276, 2481, 2489, 3057, 4524. Judiciary 'I. 159, 307,
780, 1073, 1083, 1085, 1360, 1620, 1621, 1768, 2517, 2588,
2626, 2629, 2846, 2847, 2848, 2849, '2253, 3565, 3566, 3594,
3595, 3630, 3631, 3679, 3706, 4341, 4402, 4532, 4534, 4569,N
4570, 4571, 4579, 4607. Elections. l2, I5, 546, 1687, 1689,
1697, 1879, 2359, 2474, 2480, 2731( 2770, 3059, 3561, 3563,
3601, 3751, 4340, 4515, 4516, 4521. Judiciary II. 1266...'.
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentle... Wait a minute. The
gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Shea.''
Shea: ''On our lists in the Judiciary Committèe on Elections,
were 3770, 4242 and 4272. Are those Bi1ls. . . Were they
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stricken or what?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Those have been.. . They haven't...
' They are not being included in the motions to table.''
Shea: ''So in other words, 3770, 4242 and 4272 are still afiv#in.. in the Committeea''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''No, they were tabled in the Committee
according to the digest.''
Shea : '' Thank you . ''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Judiciary II. 1266,' 1313, 1453, 1458,
1542, 1681. 1910. 2001, 2023, 2070, 2133, 2227, 2381, 2383,
.2400, 2439, 2440, 2441. 2513. 2548, 2582, 2560, 2623, 2702,
2756, 3054, 3075, 3076, 3555, 3579. 3583, 3607, 30...',
Hon. W. Robert BlH r: ''One.. One moment. The gentleman' ftom
Bureau .''
Barry: ''It appeared to us that you. . ah.. thqt the Clerk did
not read 2429 and 2431.'.
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well, 31 is a Constitption Implementa-
tion and 29 was ah.. tabled in Committee. And, that's why. ..''e
they were not read.''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''AK.. 3659, 3673, 3687, 3758, 3759, 3760,
4076, 4081, 4115. 4153, 4165, 4166, 4263, 4288, 4292, 4444,
4477, 4527, 4568. Ah.. Labor. 42, 720, 793, 2669, 2887,
3632, 4262, 4299, 4463 and 40.. .''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentle... Wait a minute. The gent e-
man from Peoria: Mr. Lauterbach .''
Lauterbach: 1'4299, again here is the Bill that's on the calen
àar of Motions to dismiss the Committee-''
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Take that off the motion.''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ah.. 4464. Public Utili.ties. 620, 1265,
1762, 2223, 2281. 2895. Regsstration and Regulations. 60,287, 646, 843, 1122, 1455, 1470, 1590, 1591, 1592. 1593.
1594, 1595, 1619, 2155, 2156, 2411, 3052, 3649, 3733, 3767.
3799. 4151, 4216, 4416, 4417, 4501. Credit Regulation.
1563, 2109, 2153, 2743, 2744, 2745, 27464 2747, 2748, 2749,
2750, 2751, 2752, and 2851. Insurance. 1136. 1361, 2211,
2212, 2571, 2753, 2832, 3535, 3536, 3537, 3538, 3539, 3540,
3541, 3542. 3578, 3593, 4344, 4398, 4399, 4400, 4538..Agriculture. 4421. Banks and Savings and Loan
. 273, 2031,
2122, 2123, 2279. 2649, 2650, 2736, 2737, 2754, 3050, and
4325. Transportation. 155, .156, 2418, 2420, 2068, 2419,
2136, 4362, 4(96,.4597, 2757 and 4195. Conservation. 3053,3568, 4545, 361, 1540, 2688 and 2735. Counties and Townshi s.
153, 265, 340, 591, 681, 791, 862, 1059, 1l9ly 1192, 1207,
1222, 1223, 1690, 1698, 1699, 1700,' 1729, 1805, 1890, 2187,
.2193, 2194, 2314, 2345, 2463, 2464, 2465, 2593, 2613. 2642, )!f '2643
, 2644. 2698. 3656, 3657, 3658, 3762. 4287. 4424, 4515,
4516, 4520 and 4580. Cities and Villages. 511, 532, 533,
570, 1143, 1465, 1558, 1645, 2081, 2082, 2661, 2773, 3612,'
3685 3775 3778 4404 and 4526. Ah. . Transportation. 156, '# ê #
408, 2068, 2419, 2603, 30. . Excuse me. 3603, 3627, 3791.3804, 4193 and 4347. Ah.. Motor Vehicle. 578, ah-; 576,576, 1388, 1389, 1804, 1888, 2025, 2125, 2126, 2410, 2559,
' 2620, 2771, 3065, 3550, 3558, 3567, 3564, 3591, 3716, 3780,' 4186, 4342, 4365 and 4548. That's it, Mr. Speakero''
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Any further questions? The
gentleman from Cook, Mr. Fary.''
Fary: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, I didn't hear. In Judiciary II:
have a Resolution ah.. dealing with ah . . pornography. We1'l,
I'd like to ask very much, Mr. Speaker, that this be ah..'kept out of the ah.. Hatchet ah . . Department that Mr.
Granata had ah.. recommended little while ago. I know
that Mr. Granata Wouldn't go for this type of thing. And
ah.. ah.., when it was originally submitted, there was
ah.. one ah.. dissent, one objecti8n to the Resolution. It'sah.. House Resolution No. 331.
''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. It was not read. So. it wou d
still be there. Alright.. The.. Are we ready now to have
the motion? The gentleman ffom Granta. . . Oh1 The gentlema
from Cook, Mr. Granata, renews.- ''
Granata: ''I now renew my motion, striking all Bills where the e
was no objection.''
Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Alright.. All those. . All those in fav r,,.M
. vote ' aye 1 and the opposed ' no ' . Have a11 voted who wishe ?#
The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there ar
12 9 ' A es ' and no ' Nays ' and this Bill ha'ving . . . or andY # .
t he ah . . motion to table prevails . . Alright . . Alright . .Ah . . Committee Reports and Messages f rom the Senate
. ''
Fredric B . Selcke : ''Ah . . Mr . Rosee frcm the Ccnmtittee on Cons i-
tution Implementation, to which House Bill 3743 was ref erre .
reported the same back with the recommendaiion that the Bildd pass. Mr. Roseg from the Committee on Constitution
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reported the same back with Amendments thereto, with the
recommendation that the Amendmen ts be adopted and that the
Bill as amended, do pass-''#
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Messages from the Senateo''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ah.. Message from the Senate by Mr .
Wrighte Secretary. Mr. Speaker - I am directed to inform
the House of Representatives that the Senate has concurred
with the House in the paésage of a Bill of the following
title, House Bill 24.. 4276. Passed by the Senate, May 25e
1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Introductionsp''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ah.. House Bill 4677, Blair, et.al. Ah..
a Bill to make an appropriation for the President of the
Senate and the Speaker of the House. First Reading of the
Bill . ''fI' ' ,,Hon. W. Robert Blair: Further Messages from the Senate .
Fredrie B. Selcke: ''A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wxight,
Secretary. Mr. Speaker - I am directed to inform the House
of Representatives that the Senqte has adopted the followin Sena
Senate Joint Resolutiop, in the adoption of which I am in-
structed to ask the concurrence of the House. Senate Joint
Resolution 72. Adopted by the Senate, May 25, 1972,
Kenneth Wright, Secretary.'''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. There are some Senate Bills
on First Reading. 1489. Want those held? Alright. . Hold
those. For what purpose does the gentleman from Union#
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Mr. Choate, rise?''
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choate? ''Mr. speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, unde
the prpvisions of Rule 64, I would like to# at this time,
Mr. Speaker, nOt having voted on House Bi1l... Senate Bill
1358, I would like to request unanimous consent of this
House to have my vote recorded on the prevailing side...
on the negative side, which would be the negative side.''
Hon. W . Robert Blair : ''Alright . . 'Ifhe gentleman ah . . is reques ing
under the provisions of Rule 64 ah . . that he ah . . have
unanimous consent ah . . having been recorded as ' present '
on the Roll Call for Attendance , but ah . . having not voted
it% respect to senate Bill 1358 to have his vote cast ah. . *w
in the negative. And, the vote on that measure was 44..
45 'Ayes', 26'Nays' and l06 'Not vo'ting'. Now. is there
leave? The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borchers, what purpos
do you rise?''
Borchers: ''I object to an unanimous Roll Cal1.''Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borchers.''
Borchers: x'''Yeah.. I'm going to withdraw my motion.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. He.. he withdraws his ah..''
Borchers: withdraw my motion.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Kane, Mr. Waddell.''
Waddell: ''I object, Mr. Speaker-''Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate.''
Choate: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, I would then ask to.. would the
move to suspend the provisions of Rule 64 so that I might
have the privilege oè casting a vote in the negative on House
Bill... or Senate Bill 1358..,
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We11, does the gentleman have leave fo
that vpurpose? Well, hearing no objection, the Rule is sus-
pénded ah.. for the purpose for which the gentleman made
the request. Nowe you're being added as a vote on
Senate Bill 1358..'
Choate: ''Yes. Sir. That's my request.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The gentleman frcm Kane.
Mr. Waddell.''
Waddell: '.Mr. Speaker, I'd like to know how you can do that
plus the fact that, I believe, it was last week that Mr.
Rayson attempted the same thing?n
Hon. W. Robert Blafr: ''Well, the gentleman asked if he ah..
could have consent to suspend the provisions of that Rule.
And, asked if he had leave and there were no obje'ctions.The gentleman from Kane.. Mr. Waddell.''
Waddell: ''Ah.. the fact that you sent Mr. Telcser down here
to engage me in eonversation, which was successful: did
not hear that. And, I stil.l object.''Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Wel1, I didn't send Mr. Telcser out
there to do anything. The gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate n
Choate: '.Ah.. I do believe that the gentleman's objection is
a wee bit tardy, Mr. Speaker. May I ask of the llair, am I
now reccrded as voting 'no' on Senate Bill 1358?''
. Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''Yes . - Yes . . ''
Choate: ''Then now, Mr. Speaker, having voted on the prevailin
side of Senate Bill 1358, I would d'esire to make a motion
and I would like to be heard very briefly on that motion.''
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alriqht.. State your motion.''
Chcate:' ''My motion, Mr. Speaker, having voted on the pre-
vailing side and pursuant to Rule 73, I now hereby move to
reconsider the vote by which Senate Bill 1358 failed to pas .
And, I would, as I said, Mr. Speaker, would like to be hear
just briefly in regards to my motion.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Proceed-''
Choate: ''Well, Mr. Speakerz Ladies and Gentlemen of this
House ...''#
Hon. Robert Blair: ''Wait one moment.. For what purpose doe
the gentleman from Unicn: Mr. Choate, rise? I'm sorry..
Mr. ah.. The gentleman from Kane, Mr. Waddell, rise?''
Waddell: ''Mr. Speaker, I make' a motion to table that motion-''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well,'whdn the gentleman concludes his
remarks, 1'11 ah.. ah.. hear on that motion. The gentlpman
from Kane, Mr. Waddell.''
Waddell: ''A pcint of order, Mr. Speaker. I do not think that's
debatable.n
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The.. The question is..
For what purpose does the gentleman from Champaigne Mr.
Hirschfeld, rise?''
Hirschfeld: ''Mr. Speaker, I respectfully request a ah.. a Rul'ng
from the Chair because I do distinctly remember that re-
cently ah.., a parliamentary inquiry, ah.. Representative
Rayson d. id ask to go on the Roll to be with the prevailing
side. And then, later moved to reconsider the vote. And,
while the Chair. at that time, permxtted Representative
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Rayson to go on and be with the prevailing side, it did notpermit Representative Rayson to ah . . move to reconsider and
said that that was out of order. It would seem to me that
the same fact would apply here.''
Hon. Robert Blairz ''We1l, the gentleman's ah . . point is..
is well taken that that was the way that the Chair has pre-
viously ruled that ah.. sixty ah . . that Rule 64 does only
permit the addition of. . of a vote ah.. if it does not
change the result previously announced and if there is an
attempt made to ah.. go route. And, then move on the basis
of that ah.. to reconsider and the end result of that being
a change in the r'esult of the Roll Call. It would appear
t o the Chair that that would .be a subversion of the. . of
the Rule. The ah . gentleman from ah. . Union, Mk. Choate.''r
choate: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, we're talking about what z consi-
der a diffqrent set of circumstances entirely . And, I bë-
lieve that if you'll read Rule 73,'64 incidentally prior to.my motion under Rule 73. If I recall correctly, the dif-
ference being in Representative Rayson's position the other
day and my own was the fact that he was possibly still
operating under Rule 64 because I think there was a Roil Ca 1
taken. In this 'instance, Rule 64 was suspended so it is no .
at least my interpret:tion, no longer adaptable as far as
the action that I am requesting under Rule 73, which clearl
provides fcr the motion to reconsider the vote by which
this Bill was defeated. The other set bf circumstances are
simply this, that we're not talking about frivolous activi-
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than the fact that there is 953.263 people affected by this
piece of Legislation. We're talking about the fact, Mr.
Speaker, that the Illinois Public.Aid Commission has advise
us that they...''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''one.. One.. One moment. For what pur-
pose does the gentlemàn from ah.. Cook, Mr. Juckett, rise?''
Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker, I think therels a point of order in
ah.. to be made here. He's not discussing his motion to
ah.. be recorded or his motion to reconsider. He's discus-
sing tY merits of the éill which*have absolutely nothing
to do with his request of the Chair.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well, the Chair ah.. ah.. rules that
the gentleman's point is well taken. The gentleman from
Cook, Mr. Shea.''
Shea: ''Mr. speaker, just so I get myself clear where we arein parliamentary procedure-at this juncture. At the presentime, Representative Choate is recorded as voting 'no' on
Senate Bill 1358. Is that correct, Sir?''.A
.Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''That.is correct.''
Shea: ''Now, he is not recorded as voting 'no' because or unde
the provisions of Rule 64, but he is.. b;t he is recorded
as voting 'no' because the provisions of Rule 64 were waive .
Is that correct, Sir?''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''They were with respect to allowing him
to ah.. ah.. ah.. cast his vote.'' '
Shea: ''Now does....''#
Honk W. Robert Blair: ''But, at.. at that point, no objection
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was raised ah.. by ah.. Mr. Waddell and Mr. Hirschfeld.''
:.:1 tt ., k : ''.under the provis ions . . . Under the provisions of Rule 7 ? ''
Hon.'W. Robert Blair: ''That. There was ah.., in essence,
subversion of. of Rule 64, even though it had been ah ..
defended by leave. And.... And, they correctly stated tùat
the Chair on.. on that issue had ah.. ruled ah.. previously
that, if there i.s a.. a fail to allow that a.. at a later
time after the Bill has been considered, that while that
vote in itself would not change the result that, if it is
tie springboard, so to speak, for a motion to reconsider
and then that motion to reconsider would prevail that, in
essence, by casting that vote for the purposes of being abl
to make the motion to reconsider: you would end up having
a subversion of Rule 64. And,.. . And, the Chair has ruled
that ah. that that point is well taken-''
Shea: ''Alright.. Now, Rulè 64 is suspended .''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''That's right.''
Shea: nAlright.. Nowe if Rule' 73 were now suspended, would
that change.-..''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate,
for what purpose do 'you rise?''
Choate: ''Inasmuch, Mr. Speaker, as you evidently think that
there was subversion in mind whln I made the request to have
unanimous consent under Yhe provisions of Rule 64 to be re-
cordcd as voting 'no', I'm certain now that there is no
quostion anyone's mind on the floor of this House as to
w'hat my intentions are. And, would #ou rule then, Mr.
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Speaker, if requested the suspens'ion of Rule 64 and 89
Members of this House gave me that prerogative or did not
give me that prprogative. woùld that not settle the whole
thing? 89 Members of this House, I thought, ah.. did de-
cide the course that they wish to take-n
Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''We1l there was.. there was.. there#
waë no objecticn sc there was leave which is in essence
unanimous consent. Ah.. the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Jucke t.''
Juckett: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, I would suggest that what he is
really objecting to is your ruling that he can not now re-.consider because of' pass rulings. And, that his only -
alternative would be under Rule 78 to appeal the Ruling of
t he Chair-''
Hon. W. Robert Blai/: ''The gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate-''
Choate: ''Ah.. I would like to advi.se my learned friend on
the other iide, who made this. suggestion, that that might .
be my alternative that never in twenty-six years have I mad
a motioy to appeal the Ruling of the Chair, Representative
Juckett. And, I'm not about to do so today.n
Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman.-from ah.. Cook, Mr. B.
B. Woèfe.''
Wolfe: ''Ah.. Mr. Speakàr 4nd Ladies' and Gentlemen of the House,
é i Mr S'peaker, under Rule 64 isI believe that your ul ng, .
absolutely correct with respect to the fact that having
given permission to a Member to be added to a Roll Call unde
. that Rule that so long and I'm quoting from the Rule, 'as
such vote does not change the result previously announced,
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that he then has a valid recorded vote'. Now, I.. I don't
know what you're ruling was previously, Mr. Speaker, or
under what circumstances you ruled with respect to that
situation. But. it seems to me, that once the House and
the Speaker permits a Member, under Rule 64, to be recorded
'without changing the result of that vote', which it does
not change because you announced what the vote was, then
under Rule 73(a) that Member, having been recorded, if he
complies with Rule 73(a), can make the moticn to reconsider
The 'only circumvention would be is that, if he takes an
action which changes the remult under Rule 64'that that
would be circumvention of that particular Rule. But, once
having been recorded, and he proceeds under Rule 73(a), it
would seem to me that he could make a motion pursuant to
that Rule'.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''For what ah.. purpose does the gentlo-
man from McLean, Mr. Hall, risea''
Hall: ''Mr. Speaker, having voted on the prevailing side, I
move that the vote by which House Bill ah.. or Senate Bill
1358 was defeated be reconsidered.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The.. Undir the provisions
of Rule 73(a), a Member, wio voted on the prevailing side
on a recorded vcte cn a Bill or matter, still within the
control of the House, may on the same day move to reconside ..
Alright.. So, on the gentleman's ah.. motion, a11 those in
favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'np'. Have a1l vote#
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tion, there are l1O 'Ayes' and 19 'Nays' and the gentleman'
motion ah.. prevails. Alright.. Now. we're back on the
Biil.. Senate Bill 1358. The gentleman from Cook: ah.. Mr.
Genoa Washington, ah.. For what purpose does the gentleman
from Kane. Mr. Waddell, rise?''
Waddell: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak on the Bi11..'
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well when youdre recognized, you may.#
The gentleman from Genoa..x.ah.. from Cooke Mr. Genoa
Washington is the chief Sponsor and ah.. I feel that he
ought to have recognition first-''
G..Washington: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House, this Bill'was amply discussed this morning and, I
believe, that the facts pertinent to it were sufficient for
a1l to vote intelligently and were recorded at that:time.
At this time, I wculd just ask in the name of the peopl'e wh
need this deficiency. the blind, the poor, the il1 for an
'aye' vote because the money for our public assistance is'r n-
ning out, I believe, today. And, without it, mis'ery ah...A'
will prevail. Thank you-''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Kane, Mr. Waddell.'' .
Waddell: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I! . '1 hope that the first Roll Call on this Bill does not escapeI
ou or the Press . Because in a maneuver tiat was obviouslyy' intended to embarass the Governor and the Administration, i
fact, backfired. And, now that has been amply errored, I
suggest that we get on with the Roll.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman Prom ah.. ah.. Union,
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Mr. Choate.''
Choate: ''I suggest, Mr. Speaker, that, if the gentleman was
talking about apy activity tiat was participated by any;Member of thzs aisle
, it was not.. was not intended to em-
barass the Governor or embarass anyone. I suggest to him
that he doesn't know exactly what was being thought of over
her'e as well as I'm sure that he does not know what was bei g
thought of by other Members, maybe even on his side of the
aisle. And, I would say, in the explanation of my stand
on this piece of Legislation, that I've been around here
just about. not quite as long as anyone in this House and
we've seen little games when tempers get flaring and we've
seen little games being played before. And, if you stay
around here, you're going to see games being played in the
future and you're going to see terapers flare in the fnttre
and you're gcing to a.. a.. a.division as far as the think-
ing of Members are concerned and'you're going to see'all of
these thingg happen time and time again as they've happenedM
in the past. But, the one thing that I would suggest is
that when we're partaking in t he games, when we're doing
the things that sometimes our tempers lead us to do and eve
when we're doing the Yhings .that we feel we are dedicated
to do# that let's not become involved in human misery. Let'sI
not let our tempers and our games lead us in the direction
that we would penalize probably some unfortunate peoples
.of this State. And, that's why, Mr. Speaker, that I attemp ed
to make the motion that I attempted to make. And, that's
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why I intend to vote 'aye' on the Bill.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Th: ah.. gentleman from ah .. Cook.
Mr. Hyde.'' .
Kyde: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,
ah.. I do agree with the distinguished Minority Leader that
ah.. games are sometimes played in this ah . . House and it's
really unfortunate. Ah.. I would suggest that ah . . on this
occasion the choice of aht. whether or not to play games
was made by the other side of the aisle and they picked a
very poor Bill to play games over. Ah.. thank youo''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from ah . . Dupage, Mr.
Hoffman.''
G. Hoffman: ''Mr. Speaker, being a tempered person and having
other games to play, I move the previous question.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All' those in favor of the gentleman's
tion say laye' oppose; 'no' the 'ayes' have it and themo e ,
previous question has been moved. Ah . . the genileman f rom. ah . . Cook, Mr. Genoa Washinbton, ; to close . ''
G. Washington : ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hous ,
this Bill has been amply debated. I think everybody had an
.opportunity to have on his mind all of the pertinent facts.
And, I just ask you in the name of the people on public
assistance to give this Bill an 'aye' vote. Thank you.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The question 'shall Sena e
Bill 1358 pass?'. A11 those in favor will vote 'ayel, and
the opposed 'no'. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.n
Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemèn of the House: I inte
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to vote 'aye' on this Bill as I did a little while ago . Bu .
perhaps, tempers flared on 10th sides of the aisle. Perhap ,
games were being played on that side or this side . But,
again: I will vote 'aye' so that we will meet our responsi-
bilities.n
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from ah. . ah.. Macon,
Mr. Borchers.''
Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker and Fellow Members of the House, ah.
don't want to hurt the old, the blind, those that really
nèed it more than anyone else here does. I just want to. point out that we will go bank rupt in this State unless we
really take action constructively to do something about it
and about this probleme this is going to inevitably happen.
Now, ah.. we can't allow thpse people to be hungry/ I don'
waht to vote 'no'. but I.'m going to do it symbolically.'
I
hope that only 89 votes will show on that Board just enough
to pass I think some of you... we should look at it an
s ome of you, who ah.. agree. with what I've said a'nd others
have' said will see to it that only 89 votes will be there.
We've got to show the Welfare Department that there are
areas that money can be saved. They should demand their
sharey for example, as I mentioned before, of the monies
that they should gain from the Mental Health that the Mental
Hea1th is not giving to them but keeps shoving off on them
a1l of these people and other reasons. Let's just give themthe 89 votes, no more, no less.
''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman ftom McLean: Ha1l.$$
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Ha1l: ''Wë1l, Mr. Speaker, there are undoubtedly 'red' votes
on the Board today from.. cast by people who would like to' show a symbolic 'no'. But, my 'rtd light' ah.. reflects a
feeling that I have that the amount of money that we are
appropriating for Public Aid is too high. And, I have a
sincere feeling that this Legislature could reduce thq tota
amount but constructive work pnd I'm willing to be a part
of a team that would do such work. I have a resentment ah. .
Mr. Speaker, for ah.. the people who draw food stamps and
sell them and buy beer. I have a resentment of the people
ah.. who.. whose husbands are emplcyed and who are on publi
aid ah.. just as if ah.. they were destitute when, in fact,
they are not. I see these occasions happening and thesè
situations arising and my constituency tells me of these.
I ah.. have ah.. ah.. repugnancy ah.. ah . . when students
ah.. ah.. collect somehow and sell these food stamps and us
them ah.. when they are not in ah.. a situation of dyer
public ah.. aid need. And, I think ah. . the General Assemb y
and tbe Governor combined can find solutions ah . . to some
of these ah.. excesses in the area of Public Aid that will
reduce the cost of Public Aid to the point where we are not
continually coming back each year.and ah . . finding a de-
ficiency of ah.. on the order of $150,000,000 over and abov
the previously appropriated ah.. $750,000,000 or. . or a
billion. So ahp., Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm casting a sinc.re
ah.. vote of 'no' in hopes that we could defeat this Bill
and go to work and reduce ah.. ah.. some of the excesses in
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the shortcomings of our Public Aid System.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The ah.. gentleman from ah.. Cook,
Mr' Lechowicz-'' .
Lechowicz: ''Thank'you, Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen
of the House, I'm sure that al1 of us are concerned, not
only as far as the Department of Public Aid, but a1l of the
Departments as far as the expenditures that are requested
from the General Revenue Funds of the State of Illinois. I
think that in 1969, the record will prove that this General
Assembly adopted a Resolution requesting that the Federal
Government assume and establish Public Aid criteria for all
the States within' the United States in conjuction with havi g
a standardized assessment... or standardized cost for every
State. This would eliminate the necessity of haviné peoplemove from one area to another just to get a basic amounk '
of money for.. for living. Now, Senate Bill 1358 was revie ed
thoroughly by the Appropriations Committee and. in turne
the breakdoqzn on Senate Bill 1358 for the $129,00'0,000 de-
ficiency is $13,4004000 for aid to the aged, blind and
disabled. Aid to dependent children is $18,000.000. Medic l
Assistance is $75,700,000. Generarl Assistance and local
aid to the medically indigent is $21,900,000, which gives
you a total of $129,000,000. I think this Bill is needed.
Very happy to see that it has been reconstructed. I vote
' aye ' ''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman Prcm Livingston, Mr. ah..
Hunsicker . ''
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Hunsicker: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House
this'morning, it was stated in the debate that the Good Boo
says that the poor you will always have with you. This is
very true. We a11 know that. By the pame token. the Good
Book also says, 'in the sweat of thy brow, thy shalt eat
bread'. And, to me, this means if you are -able yoù should#
w ork a little. 'The charges were also made that the abuses
were against the black as public aid recipients. I want
to say in a11 sincerity, the instances that I was speaking
about in the abuses of Public Aid to the so called poor
.were not.. were all white with the exception of one and thi
one was getting a new home. Nôwe when younè people in thei
early twenties can receive public aid by simply declaring
a need, be white, blabk, green cr yellow, the public aid
roll will continue to exp' apd and the cost will mughroom..
Public Aid is six months behind in listing the number on'th
roll. The last report that I have was from November 1971.
'At that timey there were arbund 919,000 Dn the IllinoisM
Public Aid rolls. It was stated justta few momepts agothat it is now 953,000.. How fast do you think t hat these
aid rolls will grow if we ever allow eighteen year olds to
marry without parental consent? I vote 'np'. ''
Hon. Robert Blair:' HHave a1l voted who wished? The gentle-'
from Cook Mr. Davié ''man , .
Davis: ''AN.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House.
I intend to vote like I was trying to vote ah . . once before
here today. And alz..,'l was waiting to hear the words from
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you, Sir, 'Have al1 voted who wished?'. I did not hear tho e
words. If you.. If you did say them, I beg your pardon, bu
. I did not hear them. And, when I.tried to pull my switche
and found out that I wasn't going to be able to vote for '
these poor people, I did become excited. Now, let me tell
you why... Let me tell you why. All of you know that medic l
costs have gone up. We have the Advisory Committee on Publ'c
Aid and we try tb do this budget sc that we wouldn't have
to ask for a deficiency. But, one of the reasons is medica
costs. You go over and talk to Sbnator Carroll. The other
reason is inflation is kind of hard now when you make up a
budget to tell just what you need. Now, you're going to
save money by passing this Bill. Because you didn't.
pass this Bill, his Excellency, the Governcr of this State,
I'm sure would call us back into a special Session. And,
the people would be burdened in this State with paying for
a Special Session and.. and it would cost you much more mon y.
So# I'm going to vote 'ayeî. This is the way that I intend dA
to vote and I1m not a part of playing politics with human
misery and suffering. The only time I get on this floor is
when you talk about denying people the rlght to work who
want to work. Or# the other thing you do' when you talk
about cutting off people who need and who have no high paid
lobbyists, ncbody down here to buttonhole us. ''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Wayne, Mr. Blades.'' '
Blades: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladits and Gentlemen o' f the House, to
besent every penny that is wasted by the Public Aid Departm nt
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or by'any other Department in the State. But. as a human
being and as a Member of this General Assembly and as a
' itizen of the State of Il1i-Member of the ah.. ah.. as a cnois, also feel that I have a moral obligation to help '
the needy. I'm going to help the needy with my vote if.. i
it so be. Thank you.'f
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. D. J.
O'Brien.''D. J. O'Brien: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker; Ladies and Gentlemen
6f the House, just want to maki one brief comment in ex-
plaining my affirmative vote. There's been much criticism
on the floor of the misuse of welfare funds, public aid,
mental health and public health funds. I think, perhaps,
our criticism is more properly directed at those Agencies
of State Governmenk that don'E where tbeir funds ar'e being
expended.. spent. They're not coapetent in administering
their programs. They're not eompetent in trying to relieve
people of the need of welfare. They're not competent inA
assuming responsibility for the administration oE medical
care, employmenk and feeding hungry children. The buck
has been passed from mental health to p'ublic health to
public aid. Nobody wants to assume the responsibility for
these people. No cne wants to assume the responsibility
for spending the money. There are certainly people who ar
misusing public funds to their cwn benefit. I think this '
is rather the fault of.us and the fault' of the State De-
partment. We cannot deny for one minute that there are
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hungry children. there are sick, elderly and emoticnally an
physically infirmed who need our h elp. They need this mone .And, if we are to economize, I say, 1et us not take the
money from thcse who do need ite ànd . those who ara trying
to get out from underneath the patronizing system of welfar
in Illinois, those who want to improve themselves. Let us
rather correct the Administration of our State Departments
so that we know where the .state money is 'going and so that
does some gcod. I'm happy to vote 'yes' to this appropr'-
ation.n
Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Miller.''
P. J. Miller: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House, for years and years that I've been here: I've seen
this creeping paralysis. The deficiencies have doubled.
In my predictions, it will trirle. And, if shou just'giventhem everytime an increase, the budgets are increasing and
we're beccming a dumping ground, Illinois is for a1l these
States because we.. weive been paying a much higher rate.A
than mo/t States. In the States South, they give them a
bus ticket and send them down and dump them in Iilinois
and our people have to stand the tax burden, bear this on
Yheir backs. And, a11 saying is that the people in my. .
our District, the Eighteenth District are o'verwhelmingly
opposed to keep giving these tax increases. I'm saying that
the Bill that we passed in this House and sent over tc the
Senate which was defeated over there and tabled would have' provided that mini... that municipali
.ties have to provide
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six hours wcrk-a day for these welfare recipients. The Bi1
was defeated. And then you say, 'why don't we give themê
' work?'e when they kill a Bill that.would require six hours
of work a day. And say, instead of putting more payrcllers
on, put on the welfare recipients so we get something for
this tax dollar, get some work for this. Now, 1* think that
we must show the takpayers a desire to show them that we
are trying to cuE back. If you keep this up, there's going
to b: tax revolt and I'm going to predict it. I vote 'no'.'
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Have al1 votfd who wished? The Clerk
. will take the record. On this question, there are ah..
l06 'Ayes' and 35 'Nays' and this Bill having received a
Constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. Senlte
Bills ah., Second Reading. 'Senate Bill 1130...
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1130. a Bill for an AcE to
amend the 'Illinois Public Aid Code'. Second Reading of
the Bil1.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from ah.. Amendments l
and 2 have been adopted. They genileman from ah.. Cook,
Mr. Moore.''
Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment No. 3. Moore; amend Senate Bill
1130 andsoforth.n
Moore: ''Alright.. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleme
of the House. ah.. at this time, Mr. Speaker, after working
E with ah.. Representative Krause and ah.. Representative Shea
as far as a proposed Amendment: I would like tc move at this
time to table Amenament No. 1 to Senate Bill 1130.,'
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The gentleman asked for leav'
to table Amendment No. 1? Alright.. You have thdt. Amendme t
No. 1 to table. Proceed. The gentleman from Cook, Mr.
Moore . ''
Moore: OThank youe Mr. Speaker. Amendment Nc. 3, Mr. Speaker
is the same Amendment as the Amendment No. 1, but it de-
leted a portion of the statute that Representative Shea
had an objection to dealing with the Depértment of Children
and Family services. 1, therefore, move at this time, Mr.
speaker, the adoption of Amendment No. 3, to House Bill 113 .''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Simmons.''
simmons: ''Is Amendment No. 2 going to stay on the Bil1?''
Moore: nYes, it does, Representative simmons-''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright... The gentleman from Kane, Mr.
Waddell.'' .
1, ' ' ùillalwaddell: Mr. Speaker, is this a House Bill or a Senate
Hon. Robert Blair: ''It's a Senate Bill cn Second Reading.
The gentleman from Cook, Mç. Moore-''.A'
Moore: ''Yes, I move the adoption of Amendment No. Mr.
Speaker.''
Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Discussion? All those in favor of the
adoption of the Amendment say 'aye' opposed 'no' the 'aye '#
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and the Amendment is adopted. Are there lurtbe r Amendments.
Third Reading. Alright.. Ah.. Agreed Resclutions. Ah.. th
gentleman from ah.. Cook, ah.. Mr. Hyde.''
Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and dentlemen of the House, we hav
one further Agreed Resolution. It'4 Senate Jcint Resolutio
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72 which ah.. requests the Illinois Legislative Investigati g
Commission to ah.. make an inquiry into the.. the allegatio s
of ah.. an alleged kicibacks. by the.. an architectural firm
for work on the Dixon Mounds Museum rehabilitation project.
I move the adoption of Senate Joint Resolution No. 72.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 those in.. The gentleman from Cook
Mr. Shea-''
Shea: ''Can I offer an... Can I offer a little bit of an Amend
ment to your Resolution there? I think youfll find the las
'Whereas' clause should it not have 'Whereas the Senate..#
the House ccncurrinq therein?'. Thank you.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The Clerk will write that in
All those in favor of the adoption of the Agreed Resolution
as amended, say l.aye' opposed 'np' the 'ayes''have it# #
and the Resolution is adopted. Are there further Resolutio s?
For what purpose does the éentleman frcm Cook, Mr. Glasâ,
rise?''
Glass: ''Ah Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, House Billxr ' .
4362 was one of the Bills which was tabled. Ah.. it is a
Bill which is in Sub-committee in Transportation Committee.
I've spoken to the Chairman of that 'Committee ah.. ah.. and
there is a good chance that ah.. hearings will be held on
this Bill. It has to do with an.area-wide Transportation
ah.. Authority in the six County area surrounding Chicago.
And, I would like to ask ah.. leave of the House ah.. to re
move that Bill from the list of tabled Bills so that if we
can ah.. set public hearings on the Bill. ah.. it will stil
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be alive.''
H W Robert Blair: ''The ge'ntleman from ah. . Cooi, Mr. Duff ''On. .
Duff: ''Mr. Speaker. ah.. without comment on thatz I would jus
mention that there are three Bills ah. . a1l in essentially
the same significance with different points of view in the
same status. Andy if it would happen to one, I think, it
should happen tq a11 three-''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate.''Choate: 'Me11, I would suggest, Mr. Speaker, that if the
.gentleman is not the Sponsor of those Bills, that it would
.be the prerogative of the Sponsor to ask that they be held
off cf the tabling motion. And, l also suggest that
wedre just gcing to keep on adding and adding and adding.we might as well not even have the motion
.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The. gentleman from Cock. Mr. Du/f.'''Duff: ''AH.. I am not the Sponsor of any of those Bills. I am
the Co-sponsor of one cf them anï the Sponsor is not presèn .
! . ,I only made that suggestion as a courtesy to him. '
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Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''Well , what the gentleman f rom Cook . Mr .i! ' . Glass is asking is that if that Bill, No. 4362, ah.. if he
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can leave to have it removed from that list of Bills which
was earlier tabled. Is there objection? The gentleman froCook, Mr. Simmons-''
Simmons: ''A parliamentary inquiry . I believe that Bill is in
cluded in Representative ah . . Granata's motion.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: 'tyes, thatfs what I was referring to .''
Simmons: ''And ah.., when we have to reconsider the vote . . .''#
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We1l I asked for an unanimous consent
and ah.. there was no objection. The gentleman from Cook,
Mr. Duff-''
Duff: ''AK.. MrJ Speaker. I would ask leave of the House, in
the absence of Representative Randolph who is the Sponsor
of ah.. House Bill 2136 over which I am the first Co-sponso .
for. the same leave-''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Is there objection? Hearing
none, then that Bill will be ah.. removed from the tabled
list. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Lechowiczv''
Lechowicz: ''I object.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Objection has been heard.
The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr. Lechowicz, objected on thquestion of unanimous consent. The gentleman from Cook
, Mr.
Telcser. He's over in Mr. Randolph's seat.''
Telcser: ''Ah.u Mr. Speaker, I find Representative Lechowicz's
objections quite surprising in view of the fact that.just'a short while ago, Representative Shea asked for the same
a -< '
courtesy for one of Representative Katz's Bills. I would
certainly think that, in view of the fact that we gave your
side of the aisle that courtesy. you would give us the same
opportunity.''
Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman' fçom Cook, Mr. Lechowicz-''
Lechowicz: ''We did. We ah.. If I recall correctly, ah.. Repr -
sentative Glass got his Bill and, I beliqve, Representative
Katz is home i11. I don't know about a11 of the other Repre-
sentatives, but ah.. I still object-''
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from ah.. Cook. Mr. buff'''
Duff: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, I'm at a loss ah.. at the 'moment.
Ah.. there are three Bills on a very important area of Mass
Transportation Planning. Ah.. one of the Bills is rather
lder what should beall encompassing in its concept to cons
done. One Bill refers only to the Chicago C.T.A . and one
Bill, which we just received ccnsent to consider further,
ah.. considers a11 Mass Tfansportation evcept the City of
Chicago. I'm not proposing that this particular Bill be
heard as a partisan thing but as a part of a major subject.
And, Representative Randolph,, not being here, has put it in
. an uncomfortable position. I am a Co-sponsor of this Bill.
And, in his absence, it would seem to me that I would have
the right to ask that for him. Ah.. if that is the basis
upon which the Representative objects: then I would àsk him
to reconsider the objection. If he's objecting on the meri s
of the Bill, I have no comment.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The ah.. gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea-''
Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Repre-
sentative Randolph was here this morning at the iime that
the list was read. If Representative Randolph desired to:
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take his Bill, I don't think anybody would have any o'bjecti .
Now, we'll be back here on Tuesday or Wednèsday. And, at
that time, if Representative Randolph so desires, then I
think we should consider it then. 'With regards to Repre-
sentative Duff's suggestion thàt he was a Co-sponsor, it's
my understanding that the Chair is still allowing Bills to
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86be introduced. And, if he feels that it's necessary
. he
can put in a Bill on that subject matter and no doubt couldbe sent to Committee and be heard
. So. therefore, ah.. I'm
wondering if yoù might. Brian, might not want to withdraw
that now and we take that up on Wednesday when we return
and when Representative Randolph is here.''
Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook. Mr. Duff.''
Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, I'd be glad to withdraw. Ah.. it was sim ly
an effort to 'extend a courtesy to my Sponsor of the Bill,
Representative Randolph .''
Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''Alright . . The gentleman from Cook , Mr.
ZYde'''
Hyde: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,ah.. because of our schedule next week ah
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cern that the turnout at the softball game Tuesday night
will be light. So, I do want to remind you that ah . . thereis a softball game Tuesday eve'ning at 6:00 P.M. at Iles
Park. Inasmuch as we will be in next Wednesday morning on'
the floor at 9;30, ah.. those of you that plan to come down
Tuesday evening, perhaps, could come down a little earlier
to turn out for the game. Ah.. I now .move, Mr. Speaier,that the House stand adjourned until the hour of 9:30 A
.M..next Wednesday morning.
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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 those in favor of the motion to
adjourn say 'aye', opposed 'no' and the House stands ad-journed-''
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ADJOURNMENT AT 3:35 O'CLOCK P.M.
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