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VICTORIA COLlnEGE. VICTORIA, B.C., NOVEMBER 27, 1962 ~- - Number 1% I Nerm-Burg Rally Debates Reich Problems * * * Legalizing of Soliciting and Drinking Main Issues By JUDITH BAINES Student Council members, in a tongue in cheek reply to objections ‘to their recent “dictatorial” practices, intro- duced themselves a t Wednesday’s Speak-Easyas Nazi party members under the leadership of “Alfred von Petterstein.” -.. LUTZ BEGINS DISCUSSION Discussion was started by Larry Lutz, who questionemd the sale of Oak Bay Old Boys’ Association dance tickets by Lorne Priestley and Tony Else. Referring to the Student Council defeat of the motion that they, be fined $5 each, he pointed out the coun- cil’s apparent inconsistency in dealing with this violation of the constitution and previous viola- tions such as gambling. Bylaw six of the constitution prohibits “gambling and personal soliciting for money” on the campus. PRIESTZEY TO THE DEFENCE Mr. Priestley, by way of defence, justified the sale of tickets on the grounds that it is beneficial tothestudents,par- ticularly since there are noolther social activities planned for the next few weeks. The council decision was based on a liberal interpretation of the by-law by which its violation is permissible if , ilt is for the good of the students. Alf Pet- tersen suggested there had been a severe council split over the matter. HAS COUNCIL SET PRBCEDENT? Et was objected that the council had set a, precedent and in the future would have to grant permission in similar cases. Another student asked why, granted the council decision was justified, Mr. Priestley and Mr. Else had not obtaine’g permis- sion before they started to sell the tickets. Mr. Priestley replied that they had not realized they were violating the constitution as precedents had already been set. He was referring to the ice cream truck on the campus dur- ing Homecoming Week and the sale of NFCUS life insurance. Alf Pettersen argued that these were not comparable cases because they had been approved by the council. Zt w&s suggested that since there was lack of agreement between the council action and the constitution, perhaps the constitution needed revising. Mr. Pettersen agreed that the by-law in question was vague’ and said that if possible the con- stitution would be investigated for its legalvalidity by a legal authority. *** LIQUOR PETITION BY JANUARY Mike Horn read the petition concerning the legal drinking age drafted by him and two * * * Der Feu$mr Petherstein rousing the rabble. ..” ~ .. ~ ‘Der Furor Horn blowing his. other’ council members after study of the provincial liquor laws. It .contained two main points: the legalagefordrink- ing should be lowered from 21 to 18, and night clubs such as the Tango, Soho, etc., should be allowed (to sell liquor. .’ If U.B,.C. students support the idea, a petition from U.B.C. students will be presentedwith the one from Victoria College bo the government in January, after, as Mr. Horn put it, certain “parades”. Inthe ensuing discussion, it was ,suggested that the proposed changes might carry more weight if they were part of a political platform or had official sup- port from local organizations. Students also suggested that the changes be more gradual, and that it was more importantto dire.& our activities toward acquiring greater public finan- cial support of the college. High Cost of Slivering By TERRY MATTE The benches are trying To spoil our fun; ’1They’recausing the women’s Stockings to run. How can a girl Get her man- When her left stocking is An also ran? Diane Beeler, ~ F i r s t Y e a r Women’s Rap., said that many women have ruined their costly nyl on s on the rough-hewn l benches in the Caf. Mr. Farquhar, in reply to a suggestion that the benches be sanded, ,said the matter was i i the bands of the Carpent$ Committee. He c said the sanding would probably be doneduring 1 the Christmas holidays. RoughShuffle For Card Players By JIM BIGSBY The Students’ Council has placed all responsibility for c a f e t e r i a card - playing squarely in the ‘laps of those demanding the regulations- the administration. Last Tu e‘k d ay the Council unanimously passed a motion that “whereas the S t u d en t Council wishes to handle only disciplinary matters covered in the AMs constitution, it isfelt that we cannot support nor deal with the card playing rule in bhe cafeteria, and accordingly turn this matter over to the adminis- tration.” Council has a g r e e d there should be no card-playing in the busy 11:30-1:30 period, butthe administration insists on a full- time ban. DIRTY CARDS In a meeting wi,th, Mr. Far- quhar and Mrs. Norris, a Student Council committee was given the following reasons for the ban. According to Mrs. Norris: 1. The cafeteria is crowded at all times, even before 11 :30 and as late as 3:30. 2. Tbere is difficulty cleaning up around people who play cards for a long period of Itime. 3. The revenues from ,plate lunches have dropped this year. 4. There is a problem of sani- tation, the oft-handlled cards being on table-tops on which food might be placed. Student Council President Alf Pettersen said that there was no crowding problem before 11 :30 or ,after 1:30,. and pointed out that some AMs funas go tow,ards cleaning up the caf. The serious- ness of the other two points was questioned. Coffiz Anyone? By TERRY MATTE Backing for a coffeehouse in Victoria is being sought by a local art enthusiast. Mrs. Beverly Banks has for some hime advocated, &n arts centre for Victoria which, would serve as a “showcase for talent” in the “fun arts” as well as the “fine arts”. ShBe said the centre would assure that “each part of art and culture is developed and that people understand it.” JAZZ, FOLK SONGS Main feature of the centre w o u 1 d be a commercially- operated coffeehouse featuring jazz musicians, folk singers, et al. At present Mrs.\ ,Banks is negotiating with the provincial government for assistance and hopes to obtain the Olde Court- house in Bastion Square for the centre. “The governm,ent is apparently waiting for a favor- able public reaction before com- mitting itself,” she said. ~ ~~~~ ~ Waterloo Pags Student Officials WATERLQO (CUPI-The Students’ Council at the Univer- sity of Waterloo has voted $200 honorariums to the, president of the Student Council and editor of the university’s student paper, The Coryphaeus. A further $100 will be given the editor of the campus yearbook, The Compendium, and a similar Carihue. A Tragedy of; Many Parts J By BONNIE HUGHES “Search me,” I shrugged, ‘watch outfor that waterfall.” BOATING ANYONE? We made one last king-size leap and landed in front of the washroom door. On the door a luge -sign read : “Beware! There is a lake on ;he other side of the door. Bring vakerskis.” “But I (haven’t got a, boat,” my iriend sai’d dryly. “Where is your sense of adven- ;ure?” I retorted. A loud splash was heard from vithin followed by even louder . . uh . . . words. Boy, did Mr. Zarpenter’s ears burn. My friend knitted her brain: ‘Tsk, tsk, such language!” she ;aid. “And from a lady,” I added. ‘Oh well, let’s go.” “In there?” she exclaimed. ‘But I’m a devout coward!” “Oh come on,” I said, “it can’t 3e that b7ad.” “If you say so,” she said hesi- ;antly, “but I’m against it.” We mustered up all our cour- Lge and bravely entered. LAKE CLEARIHUE A few minuteslater we were €orging up the creek on our way to a class on the third floor. “I told you we should have heeded sthe sign,” my friend mapped. “Oh (shut up,” I snarled, squeezing the waterout of my Dooks. My friend reached the third “What’s with this new building anyway?” A friend of mine remarked as we expertly side-stepped puddles on the way to the littlegirls’room. (I say expertly because we are becoming pros at this sort of thing). floor landing before I did. “Hey, look! she exclaimed. My eyes followed her pointing finger to the second floor stepwell. “View Lake Clearihue ! “Yeah!” I muttered acidly. “Our own private swamp! By the ’next day, I was in a much b’ebter mood. Along with the rest of the students, I viewed the soggy events of the preced- ing day with good - natured humour. We decided that we must be optimistic even lthough they tell us that a building which was supposed to be completed in Septembcer still needs 21 “finisb- ing touches.” We decided that it is disrespectful to argue when they tell us Ithat the water came in through the windows even though we saw it seeping in through the corners of the ceil- ing. We decided that it is not our place to wonder why the windows weren’t chalked a long 1tim.eago, if all it would take was ‘‘a couple of minutes with a trowel.” .WALL TAPPING Anyway, I watched with amusement last Friday, some business-like m e n r u n n i n g around tapping walls in a busi- ness-like manner and making business-like notes on business- like forms. My friend came up behind me. “Hi, what’s new?” she said. I smiled, “In this building, I answered, “you never know.” I_ DRINKING PETITION TO BE REVISED * * * Dispute OverLicence Clause By JANE !ITJRNER The Drinking Committee has announced plans for a lrastic revision of the famous Drinking Petition before its’ presentation to the government of B.C. I second clause. The consensus of orpinion was that proprietors of the clubs concerned would not want the added responsibility of enfor‘cing it. They would, of course, be forced to close their clubs 40 students under 18, thus possibly reducing gains from the sale of liquor. The original p e ,t i t io n was lrawn up by Ellery Littleton, Brian Cornel1 and Michiel Horn. rhe most important article was % request that the minimum age €or prospective d r i n k e r s be lowered from. 21 years to 18. zt was f u r t h e r suggested $hat iquor licences be granted upon request to such night spoh as the :lub Tango and the Crystal 3ardens. These two articles should be 3f particular interest to college students, because the majority 3f undergraduates are between 18 and 21. The government has recognized our m a t u r i t y by setting the‘minimlxm voting age at 19; why, then, are we not mature enough to drink at this age? AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPZJE After the petition had been %pproved at the 1 as t AMs :ouncil meeting, it. was dis- :ussed at a Speak-easy Wedne$- lay. At It ha t time Gordon Detwiller voiced the opinion held by a few students, that such an idea would never be considered seriously if presented by ,Victoria Zollege. However, most of the students seemed to favour, at least in principle, a lowering of the age limit. There was, on the other hand, :onsiderable opposition to the 4 COPIES TO OTHER COUNCILS In an interview with The Martlet, Mike said that the petition is now being revised to omit this second article. Brian Cornell has sent copies of (the first draft to Doug Stewart, President of U.B.C.’s Alqa Mater Society, and to John Montgomery of the engineering faculty, ask- ing suggestions or improvements. Replies are expeclted shortly, and it is hoped that UBC students will support the petition although Victoria College will “go it alone,” CAMPUS CIRCULATION SOON Copies of the petition will soon be in circulation on campus. Mike mentioned that “additional measures” will also be taken to enlist government support, “We are n o t t 00 sure,” he said “whether we will be successful, but one or Itwo sneaky ideas we have, should create some action.”

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Page 1: I Nerm-Burg Rally Debates Carihue. A Tragedy of; Reich

VICTORIA COLlnEGE. VICTORIA, B.C., NOVEMBER 27, 1962 ~- -

Number 1%

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Nerm-Burg Rally Debates Reich Problems

* * * Legalizing of Soliciting and Drinking

Main Issues By JUDITH BAINES

Student Council members, in a tongue in cheek reply to objections ‘to their recent “dictatorial” practices, intro- duced themselves a t Wednesday’s Speak-Easy as Nazi party members under the leadership of “Alfred von Petterstein.”

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LUTZ BEGINS DISCUSSION Discussion was started by Larry

Lutz, who questionemd the sale of Oak Bay Old Boys’ Association dance tickets by Lorne Priestley and Tony Else. Referring to the Student Council defeat of the motion that they, be fined $5 each, he pointed out the coun- cil’s apparent inconsistency in dealing with this violation of the constitution and previous viola- tions such as gambling. Bylaw six of the constitution prohibits “gambling and personal soliciting for money” on the campus.

PRIESTZEY TO THE DEFENCE Mr. Priestley, by way of

defence, justified the sale of tickets on the grounds that it is beneficial to the students, par- ticularly since there are no olther social activities planned for the next few weeks.

The council decision was based on a liberal interpretation of the by-law by which its violation is permissible if , ilt is for the good of the students. Alf Pet- tersen suggested there had been a severe council split over the matter.

HAS COUNCIL SET PRBCEDENT?

E t was objected that the council had set a, precedent and in the future would have to grant permission in similar cases. Another student asked why, granted the council decision was justified, Mr. Priestley and Mr. Else had not obtaine’g permis- sion before they started to sell the tickets.

Mr. Priestley replied that they had not realized they were violating the constitution as precedents had already been set. He was referring to the ice cream truck on the campus dur- ing Homecoming Week and the sale of NFCUS life insurance.

Alf Pettersen argued that these were not comparable cases because they had been approved by the council.

Zt w&s suggested that since there was lack of agreement between the council action and the constitution, perhaps the constitution needed revising.

Mr. Pettersen agreed that the by-law in question was vague’ and said that if possible the con- stitution would be investigated for its legal validity by a legal authority.

* * * LIQUOR PETITION BY JANUARY

Mike Horn read the petition concerning the legal drinking age drafted by him and two

* * *

Der Feu$mr Petherstein rousing the rabble.

..” ~ .. ~

‘Der Furor Horn blowing his.

other’ council members after study of the provincial liquor laws. It .contained two main points: the legal age for drink- ing should be lowered from 21 to 18, and night clubs such as the Tango, Soho, etc., should be allowed (to sell liquor. .’

If U.B,.C. students support the idea, a petition from U.B.C. students will be presented with the one from Victoria College bo the government in January, after, as Mr. Horn put it, certain “parades”.

In the ensuing discussion, it was ,suggested that the proposed changes might carry more weight if they were part of a political platform or had official sup- port from local organizations. Students also suggested that the changes be more gradual, and that it was more important to dire.& our activities toward acquiring greater public finan- cial support of the college.

High Cost of Slivering By TERRY MATTE

The benches are trying To spoil our fun; ’1They’re causing the women’s Stockings to run. How can a girl Get her man- When her left stocking is An also ran?

Diane Beeler, ~ F i r s t Y e a r Women’s Rap., said that many women have ruined their ’ costly n y l o n s on the rough-hewn

l benches in the Caf. Mr. Farquhar, in reply to a

suggestion that the benches be sanded, ,said the matter was i

i the bands of the Carpent$ ’ Committee. He c said the sanding would probably be done during

1 the Christmas holidays.

RoughShuffle For Card Players

By JIM BIGSBY

The Students’ Council has placed all responsibility for c a f e t e r i a card - playing squarely in the ‘laps of those demanding the regulations- the administration.

Last T u e‘k d a y the Council unanimously passed a motion that “whereas the S t u d e n t Council wishes to handle only disciplinary matters covered in the AMs constitution, it is felt that we cannot support nor deal with the card playing rule in bhe cafeteria, and accordingly turn this matter over to the adminis- tration.”

Council has a g r e e d there should be no card-playing in the busy 11:30-1:30 period, but the administration insists on a full- time ban. DIRTY CARDS

In a meeting wi,th, Mr. Far- quhar and Mrs. Norris, a Student Council committee was given the following reasons for the ban. According to Mrs. Norris:

1. The cafeteria is crowded a t all times, even before 11 :30 and as late as 3:30. 2. Tbere is difficulty cleaning

up around people who play cards for a long period of Itime.

3. The revenues from ,plate lunches have dropped this year. 4. There is a problem of sani-

tation, the oft-handlled cards being on table-tops on which food might be placed.

Student Council President Alf Pettersen said that there was no crowding problem before 11 :30 or ,after 1:30,. and pointed out that some AMs funas go tow,ards cleaning up the caf. The serious- ness of the other two points was questioned.

Coffiz Anyone? By TERRY MATTE

Backing for a coffeehouse in Victoria is being sought by a local art enthusiast.

Mrs. Beverly Banks has for some hime advocated, &n arts centre for Victoria which, would serve as a “showcase for talent” in the “fun arts” as well as the “fine arts”. ShBe said the centre would assure that “each part of art and culture is developed and that people understand it.”

JAZZ, FOLK SONGS Main feature of the centre

w o u 1 d be a commercially- operated coffeehouse featuring jazz musicians, folk singers, e t al.

At present Mrs.\ ,Banks is negotiating with the provincial government for assistance and hopes to obtain the Olde Court- house in Bastion Square for the centre. “The governm,ent is apparently waiting for a favor- able public reaction before com- mitting itself,” she said.

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Waterloo Pags Student Officials

W A T E R L Q O (CUPI-The Students’ Council at the Univer- sity of Waterloo has voted $200 honorariums to the, president of the Student Council and editor of the university’s student paper, The Coryphaeus.

A further $100 will be given the editor of the campus yearbook, The Compendium, and a similar

Carihue. A Tragedy of; Many Parts

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By BONNIE HUGHES

“Search me,” I shrugged, ‘watch out for that waterfall.” BOATING ANYONE?

We made one last king-size leap and landed in front of the washroom door. On the door a luge -sign read :

“Beware! There is a lake on ;he other side of the door. Bring vakerskis.”

“But I (haven’t got a, boat,” my iriend sai’d dryly.

“Where is your sense of adven- ;ure?” I retorted.

A loud splash was heard from vithin followed by even louder . . uh . . . words. Boy, did Mr.

Zarpenter’s ears burn. My friend knitted her brain:

‘Tsk, tsk, such language!” she ;aid.

“And from a lady,” I added. ‘Oh well, let’s go.”

“In there?” she exclaimed. ‘But I’m a devout coward!”

“Oh come on,” I said, “it can’t 3e that b7ad.” “If you say so,” she said hesi-

;antly, “but I’m against it.” We mustered up all our cour-

Lge and bravely entered.

LAKE CLEARIHUE A few minutes later we were

€orging up the creek on our way to a class on the third floor. “I told you we should have

heeded sthe sign,” my friend mapped.

“Oh (shut up,” I snarled, squeezing the water out of my Dooks.

My friend reached the third

“What’s with this new building anyway?” A friend of mine remarked as we expertly side-stepped puddles on the way to the little girls’ room. (I say expertly because we are becoming pros at this sort of thing).

floor landing before I did. “Hey, look! ” she exclaimed. My eyes followed her pointing finger to the second floor stepwell. “View Lake Clearihue ! ”

“Yeah!” I muttered acidly. “Our own private swamp! ”

By the ’next day, I was in a much b’ebter mood. Along with the rest of the students, I viewed the soggy events of the preced- ing day with good - natured humour.

We decided that we must be optimistic even lthough they tell us that a building which was supposed to be completed in Septembcer still needs 21 “finisb- ing touches.” We decided that it is disrespectful to argue when they tell us Ithat the water came in through the windows even though we saw it seeping in through the corners of the ceil- ing. We decided that it is not our place to wonder why the windows weren’t chalked a long 1tim.e ago, if all it would take was ‘‘a couple of minutes with a trowel.”

.WALL TAPPING Anyway, I w a t c h e d with

amusement last Friday, some business-like m e n r u n n i n g around tapping walls in a busi- ness-like manner and making business-like notes on business- like forms.

My friend came up behind me. “Hi, what’s new?” she said.

I smiled, “In this building, I answered, “you never know.” I_

DRINKING PETITION TO BE REVISED

* * * Dispute Over Licence Clause

By JANE !ITJRNER

The Drinking Committee has announced plans for a lrastic revision of the famous Drinking Petition before its’ presentation to the government of B.C.

I ‘ second clause. The consensus of orpinion was that proprietors of the clubs concerned would not want the added responsibility of enfor‘cing it. They would, of course, be forced to close their clubs 40 students under 18, thus possibly reducing gains from the sale of liquor.

The original p e ,t i t i o n was lrawn up by Ellery Littleton, Brian Cornel1 and Michiel Horn. rhe most important article was % request that the minimum age €or prospective d r i n k e r s be lowered from. 21 years to 18. zt was f u r t h e r suggested $hat iquor licences be granted upon request to such night s p o h as the :lub Tango and the Crystal 3ardens.

These two articles should be 3f particular interest t o college students, because the majority 3f undergraduates are between 18 and 21. The government has recognized our m a t u r i t y by setting the‘minimlxm voting age at 19; why, then, are we not mature enough to drink at this age? AGREEMENT IN PRINCIPZJE

’ After the petition had been %pproved at t h e 1 a s t AMs :ouncil meeting, it. was dis- :ussed at a Speak-easy Wedne$- lay. At It ha t time Gordon Detwiller voiced the opinion held by a few students, that such an idea would never be considered seriously if presented by ,Victoria Zollege. However, most of the students seemed to favour, at least in principle, a lowering of the age limit.

There was, on the other hand, :onsiderable opposition to the

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COPIES TO OTHER COUNCILS In an interview with The

Martlet, Mike said that the petition is now being revised to omit this second article. Brian Cornell has sent copies of (the first draft to Doug Stewart, President of U.B.C.’s Alqa Mater Society, and to John Montgomery of the engineering faculty, ask- ing suggestions or improvements.

Replies are expeclted shortly, and it is h o p e d that UBC students will support the petition although Victoria College will “go it alone,”

CAMPUS CIRCULATION SOON Copies of the petition will soon

be in circulation on campus. Mike mentioned that “additional measures” will also be taken to enlist government support, “We are n o t t 00 sure,” he said “whether we will be successful, but one or Itwo sneaky ideas we have, should create some action.”

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2 THE MARTLET#, NOVEMBER 27, 1962 b .

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‘ THE MARTLET Published wee,kly throughout the University year in Victoria by the Publications Department of the Alma Mater Society, Victoria College. Editorial opinions expressed are thwe of the Editorial Board of The Martlet and not necessarily those of the Alma Mater m i e t y of Victoria, College.

Editor-in-Chief: Tony Else FbCUlty AdYiBOr: Prof. TiMly Emery

Managing Editor ............................................................ J~ Bigsby Senior Editor ............................................................ E ~ e r y Littleton News Editor ................................................................ Tony Hopkins Photography E;d~tor ............................................ Bruce McFarlane Sports Editor ........................................................ Dave Humphries Social Editor ............................................................ Wendy Hocking Circulation Manager .......................................................... Pat Loft

Telephone: EV 3-5271

COLONlST PRINTERS LlMlTED

POTTS PETITION UNJUSTWIED Many considered ‘the Mal Potts issue closed aftef the

defeat last week of, a motion to rescind the motion suspend- ing him from all A.M.S. activities. It seems, however, that the matter is to remain one 0.f the big newsmakers on campus for some time to come. A number of Potts’ sup- porters are now preparing a petition to < reinstate him in college functions.

We would like to question this move. We would like to know what reasons these faithful people have in continuing this action.

Mal Potts knows as well as anyone the right of the student to appeal any motion by council. Therefore, why, if Potts really believed in his innocence or a t least believed that council action was too stiff, did he not appeal the suspension?

Surely ‘the defeat of such an appeal would have war- ranted action on the part of those who still believed to the con8rary. But as neither the council nor the adminis- tration has received any such complaint from Potts himself, it seems ridiculous that others should have to do it for him. How can council be expected to act on such a petition when even the accused declines to submit an objection?

JEROME CONSIDERED ‘IN NEW LIGHT

“I was aiming only for the gold,” said Canada’s great sprinter Harry Jerome last week. Saturday was the second time in as many years that Jero’me has dropped out of a race while representing Canada.

It is becoming increasingly apparent that Harry Jerome couldn’t care less what country he is running for. The fact that Canada has spent thousands of dollars on this one man alone and that all o’f Canada was banking its hopes on his tremendous ability did not seem to bother him in the least. He admitted that ‘he probably could have captured second place in Perth but this, it seems, would have been too much for the, world’s fastest runner.

The selection committee for the 1964 Olympic Games must decide whether speed is the only criterion or whether sportsmanship should also be considered. In view of Jerome’s pitiful display in Perth we are sure that his berth on the Canadian team to Japan will be considered in a different light.

WATCH THE DRIPS $ . As one of our reporters points out, the Clearihue Build- ing is little better than a battered circus tent when it comes to keeping the rain out. The same may be said of the Paul Building which began to show the strain of over two years steady battering-26 hurricanes, four flash floods, 23 tornadoe8, 400 inches of rain and a partridge in a pear tree-when the roof over the lobby dribbled last week. As for the Zwing Building, watch out for the north wall, it’s going to give any day.

Getting back to the Clearihue Building, it was also pointed out that the .building itself is beginning to sink. On hearing this Martlet staffelrs began to take precise measurements last week. Many will be glad to hear that by January 10, 1965, the entire building will be under- ground-Victoria’s largest bomb shelter.

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281 FOR, HOW’ MANY AGAINST? Today a t noon the Students’ Council is considering

the controversial Christmas shopping issue. The council has been approached by the supporters of this campaign and asked to throw the weight of the student body behind the action. The council today has been asked to state its policy: for or against. . , Yesterday 281 students had, signed a petlition denoun- cing the early dates used by city businesses for the commencement of, their Christmaq advertising campaigns, This is fine. Let it be said then that there are 281 students at Victoria College who are in favour of this petition. .But, to say tha’t the students of Viotoria College are all in favour sf -this .would be stretching it a, littie !too far ....

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I I I LETTERS TO THE EDITOR F

Editor’s No,te : No letters shall be p r i n t e d in this column unless they have been written with due r e s p e c t to clarity and brevity. All letters must be signed, although noms-de- plume will be substituted on request.

2nd Yr. Ed. Against Campus?, Intercourse

Dear, dear Bins: For the past three months, I,

alorig with the other studenlts a t the Lansdowne campus, have been closely watching the re- actions of the second year educa- tion s t u d e n t s to the ’split campus. Every attempt has been made by both the council and club presidents to incorpor- ate the students at Gordon Head into college ,activities.

The results are very easy to see. A t hockey games, second year ed. s t .u d e n t s constitute a p p r o x i m a t e l y 1% of the students present. At speak- easies, AMs meetings, college athletic events and club meetings the students’ from Gordon Head campus remain apathetic.

The time has now come t o stop, look back, and poncder over past actions. All attempts which have been made to interest 2nd year ed. students in college activities have fallen by the wayside. I feel it is time now to bring about a change in policy in regard to Gordon Head cam- pus students. Up until this time all initiative has come from the Lansdowne campus. From this point forward I, along with *he club presidents, feel that the initiative must come from the ed. students at Gordon Head. We are past the high school stage and we must act the part. Can the students at Gordon Head rise to meet this challenge?

Yours truly, ROLLI CACCHIONI.

Posters Pasted Dear Sir:

Let me preface my remarks by saying that I am in complete agreement with Mr. Moore’ss statemtent in a leltter last week to lthe effect that the Students’ Council is doing a marvellous job. I have nothing personal against lthle Students’ Council. I only wish to have a certain matter clewed up and explained.

I am referring ’ to h. recent poster incident. Almost two hours were spent making an’d putting ‘up posters Which ‘were approved aed’signed by someone [n the Students’ Council office who claimed that this was her h t y . No soonkr were ‘they up

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when Mr. Lorne Priestley took it isnto his head &to tear them down. Caught in the ‘act and told that these posters had paksed inspection (as he. could well see by the signature) he said that they should not have been allowed to go up. A t the same time he expla’ined that a rule bad been broken-a rule which I, a mere studen$, had never even heard of-a rule which hadn’t even been men- tioned when the posters were approved. He said that it was not evident that these posters were being sponsored by a club.

Did Mr. Priestley have the Students’ Council authority to tear down lthese posters (and others that ha’ve disappeared mysteriously)? If so, how is the poor student supposed to react when someone in authority ,tells him he can do one thing, and someone else overrules that first permission? If not, then how can the Students’ Council allow him to go his own way, against their wishes?

Mr. Priestley is doing a fine job as Special Events Chairman, but why doesn’t he confine him.- self to that, and not consider himself special overseer and big brother of the Students’ Council?

BONNIE AUST.

Horng Alcoholism Dear Sir:

In your last issue a letter by Miss Armstrong c r i t i c i z e d a statement by me quoted in The Times of Nov. 13. She is, of course, quite correct in writing bhat there are alcoholics in Europe and that the Frenkh; government is waging a cam.- paign against overindulgence. En an article I wrote for The Martlet last year I mentioned the latter fact.

The French authorities are advising people not to drink more lthan a liter t36 oz.) of wine a day, since greater consump- tion, while it may not cause drunkenhess in a s e a s o n e d drinker, will in the long run do horrible things to his liver.

To correct my generalization and make Miss Armstrong and others happy, I wish to state that I perceived no sign that any kind of drinking problem was created by allowing 18-year-olds to drink in pubUc. Tlhis claim I base ofi a number of student dances 1 9 attended, .‘whtere beer, wine, and “hard liquor”, were sold. oil .the premises.

It’ fs*h&rd 4x1 promote responsi- bility in ‘people who are, treated as if their irresponsibility were an established fact. OJur .present liquor ‘legislation seems inspired by the assumption (that all of us,

whether adults or minors, are immature souls whom, it is neces- sary to protect from the “evils of alcohol”. Nevertheless we are hardly a society which enjoys ilts alcoholic beverages in modera- tion. Might not legislation tvhich accepts both the moral neutrality of drinking and the essential responsibility of the individual be more successful in achieving sensible, m o d e r a t e consumption? I think it would.

MIKE HORN. 1

Droop@ Alcoholism Dear Sir:

Re: The remarks. of senior student Mr. Horn to the effect that “drinking is not a,problem’* under the “relaxed legislation” to be found in European coun- tries where the minimum legal age for the consumption of alcoholic beverages is 18 years.

I have to agree that there are fewer problems to be found in Europe thari on our North American continent, but he didn’t consider the fact that the whole question of alcohol is looked at in a much different light in Europe. It is common practice for children of ages even as low as five or six years to have the occasional glass of beer or wine with their meals in Italy, Spain, France, and to certain extent Germany. It is because of this that the alcohol problem is not serious.

Young Europeans have been brought up in an atmosphere of friendly and relaxed drinking, and have been taught how much to drink, how often to drink, and when to stop. Until the young people of North America can learn the lesson, I will have to come out against the lowering ’ of the minimum age.

The theory was put forth by Mr. Strachan on ’ Wednesday, Nov. 14, thalt if 18 was old enough to fight for one’s country, then 18 was old enough to be allowed to drink. This statement was applauded by several of the more immature s t u d e n t s of Victoria College, and that was just what Mr. Strachan wanted ”support.

Until the majority of today’s men and women under 21 ‘can show real responsibility ‘ i n theik general behaviour they should not be allowed to drink. JudgT ing from Ithe behaviour OP many students of this university, I don’t feel that the majority are mature enough, to be .allowed. to drink.

B. APPLEBY.

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By’TOM MOORE Under the guidance of hustling :rry Clark the first tfiird of the pin bowling league came to a ccessful close last week. The Ireros emerged as lthe winning am with the Clinkers coming cond. Third place was shared

the Lions, ImQossibles and .e Unstinkables: fDIVIDUAb RESULJTS Men’s High Average - Wayne mdry, 257; Terry Clark, 230. Women’s High Average-Diane uri, 186; Gwen Nelson, 180. Men’s High S i n g 1 e -Terry .ark, 360. Wom:en’s H i g h Single - Julie znfield, 276. Men’s High Three - B r y a n obbs, 847. Women’s High Three - Diane :ori, 711. Team H i g h S i n g l e - T h e Dozers, 1297.

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Vikings finally arrived in Seattle only to lose .a squeaker 2-1 \to ,the Huskies. Washington opened the scoring and the Vikings tied it on a goal ‘by Pete Fralick. The half ended 1-1. The Huskies scored the only goal of the second half to emerge victorious.

The College were delayed over two hours by bus Itrouble and arrived in Seattle at 3:45 with the result that the game was played under lights. Fortunaltely it was possible to play $he game and still make it back to Victoria. Besides scoring the College’s only goal, Pete Fralick set a ’modern bridge record in making only Itwa of sixty-eight bids as cards were the style of the day.

The previous Sunday the Vik- ings lost’ their \ second leaguq game of the season dropping a 3-1 decision to Drake, Kickers. The Vikings are still plague’d by scoring troubles as lthey have only scored three goals in their last three games. The College’s

only goal came on a penalti kick by Franz Dessombes.

The ’ Vikings have, only one game remaining before Christ- mas, playing Island Tug this coming Sunday. Last Sunclay’s game against Saanich Warriors was cancelled because of weather conditions. The “B’s” travel ,to William Head on Saturday for a first round cup game. This week- end will end soccer action until after Christmas.

Vessey from Dennie Dunsford at 10:30 to tie it up.

Tempers increased as the play continued ending in a fight at 13 : 50 that put Ted Sarkissian and Dan Buie in ,the box with five minutes and two minute penal- ties respectively. Army were awarded the same and the game continued, each team. playing with four men.

A t 17:45 Army scored the heart-breaker on a two-man breakaway. College tried vali- antly to tie it up but to no avail

In the second game Pontiacc tied Navy 2-2, leaving them still ltied for first place with 10 points apiece., Army has 3 and College 1

Next week Navy meets Collegc and Fontiacs battle Army in thc second game. Tlhis will be th,c last game for the Vikings unti: January 4.

’* I *.. Wiitoria College Vikings ’ *-lost +e&? to Army in a game

that wasn’t decided until the end of the third period.

Both teams were looking for their first win, and both played accordingly. Skating was fast and furious. Army scored the only goal ’of. the first period on a lucky shot at 12:20.

Neither team scored in the second period officially, although the puck was in the Army net once. ’ Unfortunately the goal judge wasn’t looking at the time.

Army, short-handed at th,e be- ginning of the third period (from a penalty) scored on a break- away and made it 2-0. Jim Wilson scored from Glen Vickers and Heritage at 7 : 20 and Fred

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CHAMPAIGN, I11 (CUP-CPS) -Senator Barry Goldwater has denounced a second college paper for printing deroga- tory comments about him,

The University of Illinois student newspaper, The Daily Illini, has received a letter from Goldwater attacking a column in the paper in which the Republican senator from

Officers elected were: Presi- :nt, Bonnie Aust; Vice-Presi- mt, Mrs. A. Armstrong. Dr ‘oreau and Miss Kushmir are Le faculty advisers.

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Goldwater, whose similar com- plaints about an ,article in the Colorado Daily touched off a row resulting in the firing of editor Gary Althen, maintairled in the letter that Roger Eblert, ‘author of Ithe column, was denying him the “right to be critical.”

The Daily Illini column said : “(Goldwater) made us wonder, jdst a little bit, what an Ameri- can is these days . . . and how far t h a t definition c a n b e stretched. Can it be stretched to include a * man who told Chicago R e p u b l i c a n s ‘The Supreme Court d e c i s i o n on school integration is not neces- sarily the law of the land’?” DARK TEXREATS

“Can it be stretched to include the man who sdvocates violent action against Cuba-which suf- fered from America’s monopo- listic exploitation for 60 years

before beginning 40 search f o ~ self-respect? Can it stretch t c lnchde a man who’ makes darE threats to the president of E university, simply blecause tha‘ president. has refused to silenct the open expression of ideas or his campus?” NEW FIGUREHEAD

“ . . . We suggest that ‘serious responsible American conserva- tives starit looking for a nev figurehead. This p a r t i c u 1 a : golden calf has a heart of mud.’

In his letter t o the DI, Gold water said “(Ebert) is denyin1 me the right It0 be critical of thc president of ‘(a) university, anc I suppose for that matter, any body else. If he really believe in the freedom he prates abou ‘so much, then let him realizl that it is a two-way street.”

Ebert said (he would answer th, senator’s charges in his nex column.

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The interest shown. by th students who have ‘come to th rehearsals has been encourag ing, but, since the split campu has made it difficult for som students to attend, they stil require more singers, especial1 soprano and tenors. To do th work ju’stice, at least a hundrel students are needed.

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Resigns A.M.S. Incorporation nich hks be en^ chosen for the xistmas dance which is held ,ch year at the end of the :aminations. The dance is being held at the :ysta.l Gardens from 9 until 1. ne orchestras of Joe Moore and xt Zala will play. The possibility of some enter- inment is being investigated, cess is semi-formal. The tickets, which are $3.50 couple, will be on sale soon at le Students' Council office.

HAMILTON, Ont. (CUP) - :cMaster student president ill Mathie, has resigned.' His resignation came dur

g * a two-hour emergenc! )unci1 meeting, at whicl :athie was not present. Hc as attending a sepinar a le time of the meeting. Mathie said he was resign gg because "I felt I could no arry out the functions o le office as they should bc mied out."

By DOREEN NEE, under its own name. The A.M.: at U.B.C. has been incomporate under the Societies Act for son time now.

There will prob'ably be a dir cussion on incorporation at son future A.M.S. meeting and %he a referendum will be put to t k students .to vote on. If the incoi poration is accepted by $1 students the A.M.S. constitutic will have to be revised by lawyer to insure its legality b( fore i e t can be accepted fc incorporation under the Societic Act.

The A.M.S. is at present investi- gating tpe possibilities bf incor- porating the A.M.S. under the Societies Act. In essence, this would provide to the individual members of the Students' Coun- cil, i.e., they would not be held individually responsible for any A.M.S. contracts signed by them or for any action taken by them on behalf of the council. In- stead, the A.M.S. as a whole would assum,e the legal respon- sibility. Also, under incorpora- tion the A.M.S. would be able to sue or be sued and to hold titles

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