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Disc.CD No.536 Calcutta

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okrkZyki uacj 536] dydRrk] rk%16-3-08 Disc.CD No.536, dated 16.3.08 at Calcutta

ftKklq %& ckck] 68&69 dh ok.kh dk Vhpj ds :Ik esa DykfjfQds'ku py jgk gS] tc ;s lc okf.k;k¡ [kRe gks tk,¡xh] rks MkbjSDV ok.kh pysxh D;k\ ckck & rqe MkbjSDV ok.kh lqurs gks ;k buMkbjSDV lqurs gks\ ¼lHkh us dgk & MkbjSDV½ iksyiV~Vh [kqy x;hA vHkh rqe dkSu&lh ok.kh lqurs gks\ ¼ftKklq & MkbjSDV lqu jgs gSa½ DykfjfQds'ku nsus okyk MkbjSDV gksrk gS ;k buMkbjSDV gksrk gS\ ftKklq & MkbjSDV gksrk gSA ckck& fQj D;k iwN jgs gks\ Student: Baba, the clarification of the Vanis dated 1968-69 is being given (by Shivbaba) in the

form of a teacher. Will direct Vanis be narrated after all these Vanis are exhausted?

Baba: Do you listen to Vanis directly or do you listen indirectly? (Everyone said, directly) Your

secret is out. Which Vani do you listen to now? (Student said, we are listening directly) Is the

one who gives clarifications direct or indirect?

Student: He is direct.

Baba: Then what are you asking?

le; & 0-05 ftKklq & fj>kus ekuk\ eqjyh esa fj>kus ‘kCn vk;kA ckck & fj>kus ekus euokus ds fy,A fj>kuk] tSls fdlh dh eD[kuckth dh tkrh gS ] ,sls ,d ‘kCn gS fj>kukA fdlh ls dksbZ ckr euokus ds fy, vkjt+w djuk] gqTtr djukA Time: 0.05

Student: What does (the Hindi word) ‘rijhaaney’ mean? The word ‘rijhaaney’ has been

mentioned in the Murli.

Baba: ‘Rijhaaney’ means ‘to persuade’. ‘Rijhana’ means, for example someone is buttered.

Similarly there is the word ‘rijhana’. (It means -) To request, to plead someone in order to

persuade about something.

le; &1-30 ftKklq & Vh-oh- esa cSBds ns[krs gSa rks mldks MkbjSDV dgsaxs\ ckck & Vh-oh- eas cSBds ns[krs gaS! ftKklq & gk¡A ckck & rks MkbjSDV dSls\ MkbjSDV esa rks okbczs’ku Hkh feyrk gS] MkbjSDV n`f”V Hkh feyrh gS] MkbjSDV gko&Hkko Hkh feyrs gSaA Vh-oh- esa ;s lc dgk¡ feyrs gSaA Time: 1.30

Student: Will it be called direct (meeting with Shivbaba) when we sit and watch (Baba) on TV?

Baba: Do you sit and see on TV?

Student: Yes.

Baba: So, how is it ‘direct’? In case of ‘direct’ (meeting) you receive the vibrations, you receive

the direct drishti and you see the direct expressions (haav-bhaav) as well. Do we get all these on

the TV?

Lke; & 1-55 ftKklq & ckck] vkt dh eqjyh esa dgk gS & HkfDrekxZ esa tks twrk [kksyrs gSa] oks fdldk ;knxkj gS\ twrk [kksyds nsoky; esa tkrs gSaA rks KkuekxZ esa dSls gksrk gS\




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Time: 1.55

Student: Baba, it has been said in today’s Murli, In the path of worship they remove the shoes;

what is it a memorial of? People remove their shoes and enter the temple. So, how does it take

place in the path of knowledge? ckck& izn’kZuh oxSjg esa twrs mrkjus dh D;k njdkj\ ogk¡W eafnj esa ;s le> djds tkrs gaS & ;s ewfrZ Hkxoku cSBh gSA ewfrZ esa Hkxoku dks le>rs gSa ysfdu ;gk¡ rks KkuekxZ gS ukA tks ewfrZ;k¡ E;wft;e esa j[kh gqbZ gSa] ge le>rs gSa & ;s t+M ewfrZ;k¡ gSa ;k buesa Hkxoku izos’k gS\ t+M ewfrZ;k¡ gSaA ogk¡ dh ckr vyxA ogk¡ E;wft;e esa] izn’kZuh eass twrs vkfn mrkjus dh ckr ugha gksuh pkfg,A vkSj ;gk¡\ ;gk¡ D;ksa twrs mrkjds vkrs gSa\ ;gk¡ Hkh rks KkuekxZ gSA D;ksafd ;gk¡ dksbZ tM+ ewfrZ ugha gSA cqf}+ esa cSBk gqvk gS fd tM+ ewfrZ esa cki ugha vkrk gSA tkuojksa esa Hkh cki ugha vkrk gSA dadM+&iRFkj esa Hkh ugha vkrk gSA cki rks euq”; ru esa vkrk gSA Baba: Where is the need to leave the shoes (outside) at exhibitions, etc.? There, people go to the

temples thinking that God is sitting in the form of this idol. They think that God resides in the

idol, but here it is a path of knowledge, isn’t it? The idols that have been placed in the museum;

we feel that they are non-living idols or has God entered them? They are inert idols. The matter

of that place is different. There, in the museum, exhibition, there should not be any need to

remove the shoes, etc. And here? Why do people come here having removed their shoes? Even

here it is a path of knowledge. Because here it is not an inert idol. It has fitted into the intellect

that the Father does not enter an inert idol. The Father does not enter even in the animals. He

does not even come in gravel and stones (kankar-paththar). The Father indeed comes in a

human body. le; & 3le; & 3le; & 3le; & 3----25252525 ftKklq & ckck] Ñ”.k ds 84 tUe ds var esa mudh tks cgu Fkh] oks jk/kk cPph Fkh ;k xhrk ekrk Fkh\ ysfdu ckck ,d okrkZyki esa vk;k gS fd Ñ”.k ds vafre 84 osa tUe esa mudh lxh cgu gS & jk/kk cPphA ckck & oks laxe;qxh jk/kk gS ;k lr;qx dh jk/kk gS\ ftKklq & oks rks laxe;qxh jk/kk gSA ckck & clA ftKklq & ysfdu tks lxh cgu cksyk gS uk 84 tUeksa ds var esa] oks Ñ”.k okyh vkRek gS ukA ckck & Ñ”.k okyh vkRek gS! jk/kk\ Ñ”.k okyh vkRek jk/kk gS\ dgk¡ cqf) iVkdk [kk jgh gS\ Time: 3.25

Student: Baba, at the end of the 84 births of Krishna, was his sister Radha bachchi or Gita

mata? But Baba, it has been mentioned in a discussion (CD) that at last, i.e. 84th

birth of

Krishna, his real sister was Radha bachchi.

Baba: Is she the Confluence-aged Radha or the Golden-aged Radha?

Student: She is the Confluence-aged Radha.

Baba: That is all.

Student: But the own sister at the end of 84 births, about whom it has been mentioned, is the

soul of Krishna, isn’t it?

Baba: Is she the soul of Krishna? Radha? Is Radha the soul of Krishna? Where is your intellect

wandering?




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ftKklq & ckck] lqHknzk fdldk ikVZ gS\ ckck& lqHknzk dk ikVZ vyx] nzkSinh dk ikVZ vyx] jk/kk dk ikVZ vyxA lcdks feykds bdV~Bk FkksM+s gh fd;k tk ldrk gSA lqHknzk dk rks gj.k fd;k x;k FkkA jk/kk dk gj.k FkksMs+ gh fd;k x;k FkkA nzkSinh dk dksbZ gj.k FkksM+s gh fd;k x;kA ftKklq & nzkSinh tks gksxh] mldk ikVZ lqHknzk dk gksxkA ckck & /kr~! tks /kqzoinh gS] oks rks /kzqo in ikus okyh gSA nqfu;k¡ dgs & ;s ugha gks ldrh gSA ftKklq & gk¡] oks rks xhrk ekrk gSA ckck& gk¡ thA Student: Baba, who plays the part of Subhadra?

Baba: Subhadra’s part is different, Draupadi’s part is different, Radha’s part is different.

Everyone cannot be clubbed together. Subhadra was abducted. Radha was not abducted.

Draupadi was not abducted.

Student: Draupadi will play the part of Subhadra.

Baba: What are you saying?! Dhruvpadi is going to achieve a post that is fixed like a Pole Star

(Dhruv). The world may say that this cannot be possible.

Student: Yes, she is Gita mata.

Baba: Yes.

ftKklq& rks lqHknzk dkSu gS\ ckck& lqHknzk rks] lq ekus lqUnj] Hknz ekuk dY;k.kdkjh] gj gkyr esa dY;k.kdkjh A ftKklq & gk¡] oks rks osnkarh ekrkA ckck& vjs! oks jk/kk dk ikVZ gS ;k lqHknzk dk ikVZ gS\ mldk gj.k fd;k x;k D;k\ ftKklq & oks dkSu gS ckck\ ckck & lqHknzk tks gS] oks rks Hknz gh Hknz gSA mlesa vdY;k.k dk uke&fu’kku gks gh ugha ldrkA #nz ekyk dk e.kdk Hkh gSA ftKklq & fdldk ikVZ\ Ckkck & fdldk ikVZ! v”Vnsoksa dk gh ikVZ gSA vc ;gk¡ D;k ckck dksbZ ikVZ [kksy djds crkrs gSa D;k\ tks ftldk ikVZ gksxk] oks Lor% gh vius eq¡g ls viuk c[kku djsxk] viuk dk;Z djds fn[kk;sxkA Student: So, who is Subhadra?

Baba: Subhadra, ‘su’ means ‘sundar’ (beautiful), ‘bhadra’ means beneficial; (the one who is)

beneficial under any circumstance.

Student: Yes, she is mother Vedanti.

Baba: Arey! Is that the part of Radha or Subhadra? Was she abducted?

Student: Who is she Baba?

Baba: Subhadra is just bhadra (benevolent). There cannot be any name or trace of harm in her.

She is also a bead of the rosary of Rudra.

Student: Whose part?

Baba: Whose part is it! It is the part of the eight deities only. Well, does Baba reveal anybody’s

part openly here? Whoever is to play whatever role, he will reveal it with his own mouth, he will

perform his task and show.

ftKklq & lqHknzk dk ikVZ Dyh;j ugha gqvkA ckck & Dyh;j rks rc gksxk] tc viuk ikVZ LVst ij ctkosaxsA ftKklq & lqHknzk dk ikVZ txnEck dks cksyk gSA




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ckck& gk¡] rks txnEck Hkh viuk ikVZ tc LVst ij ctkosxh rc gh rks Dyh;j gksxh fd txnEck gSA egkdkyh viuk ikVZ LVst ij ctkosxh rc gh rks Dyh;j gksxhA flQZ gekjs rqEgkjs dgus ls dksbZ eku ysxk D;k\ Student: The part of Subhadra has not become clear (to me).

Baba: It will become clear when they play their part on the stage.

Student: Jagdamba is said to play the part of Subhadra.

Baba: Yes, so, it will become clear that Jagdamba is Jagdamba only when she plays her part on

the stage. Mahakali’s part will become clear only when she plays her part on the stage. Will

anyone accept if I or you say it?

ftKklq & ysfdu ckck lqHknzk vkSj nzkSinh] nks vkRek,¡ vyx&vyx gSa ;k ,d gh gS\ ckck & vjs! nzkSinh dk Loa;oj gqvkA D;k\ lkjh ifCyd ds chp esa nzkSinh Lo;aoj gqvk] ysfdu lqHknzk dk gj.k gqvkA Lo;aoj ugha gqvkA tSls :fDe.kh gj.k gqvkA ;s iVjkfu;k¡ gSaA Student: But Baba, are Subhadra and Draupadi two different souls or one and the same?

Baba: Arey! Draupadi got married through swayamvar (a practice where a Princess chooses her

husband from among many Princes) What? Draupadi was married through swayamvar in the

midst of the entire public, but Subhadra was abducted. She was not married through swayamvar,

just as Rukmini (Krishna’s wife) was (also) abducted. They are queens.

le; & 7-33 ftKklq & ckck] 1942 ls 46 rd bl chp esa tks ;K pyk] nks ekrkvksa us pyk;k ,slk lquk gSA rks ml le; jk/kk cPph Hkh Fkh] xhrk ekrk Hkh Fkh] rks ml le; Kku dSls\ 46 esa rks jk/kk cPph us ‘kjhj NksM+k ,sls lqukA rks ml chp esa ;K dSls pyk\ vksee.Myh 42 ds ckn] >xM+s ds ckn [kRe gks tkrh gSA 47 ls rks czg~ek ckck¼nknk ys[kjkt½ pykrs gSa ysfdu 42 ls 46 rd ;K dSls pyrk gS\ Time: 7.33

Student: Baba I have heard that between 1942 and 46 the yagya was run by the two mothers.

So, at that time, Radha bachchi also existed, Gita mata also existed; So, how was knowledge

narrated at that time? I have heard that Radha bachchi left her body in 1946. So, how did the

yagya function at that time? Om Mandali did not exist after 1942, i.e. after the dispute. Brahma

Baba (Dada Lekhraj) controlled the yagya from 1947, but how did the yagya function from 42 to

46?

ckck & uke rks ßvkse eUMyhÞ gh jgrk gSA tks Hkh laxBu FkksM+k cgqr cpk gqvk gS] uke rks ogh iqjkuk pysxk ukA tc u;k laxBu rS;kj gks tkrk gS] u;k LFkku rS;kj gks tkrk gS] rks uke cny tkrk gSA czg~ek ls czg~ekdqekjh fo|ky; uke iM+ tkrk gSA ftKklq & ;K dSls pyrk gS ckck\ eqjyh rks ugha pyrh gSA dksbZ rks-------- ckck & eqjyh rks pykuss okyk f’kockck gS ukA f’kockck igys eqjyh ugha pykrs FksA 10&15 ist+ fy[kokrs FksA cki fy[kokrs Fks vkSj cPps fy[krs FksA Baba: The name remains as ‘Om Mandali’ itself. Whatever little gathering survived, will

continue to have the old name, won’t it? When the new gathering becomes ready, when the new

place becomes ready, then the name changes. It gets the name Brahmakumari Vidyalay based on

(the name) Brahma.

Student: Baba, how did the yagya function? The Murli was not narrated. Someone must....

Baba: The one who narrates Murlis is Shivbaba, isn’t it? Initially Shivbaba did not narrate

Murlis. He used to dictate 10-15 pages. The Father used to dictate and the children used to write.




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le; & 9-10 ftKklq & ckck] Kku vkSj HkfDr lkFk&lkFk gS ;k vyx&vyx gS\ ckck & vxj lkFk gh lkFk gS] rks Kku dh izkjC/k fdls dgsaxs\ tgk¡ Kku gS] ogk¡ HkfDr ughaA tgk¡ HkfDr gS] ogk¡ Kku ughaA Time: 9.10

Student: Baba, is gyan and bhakti simultaneous or separate?

Baba: If they are simultaneous, then what would be called the fruit of knowledge? Where there

is knowledge, there is no bhakti. Where there is bhakti there is no knowledge.

ftKklq & tSls ckck egkHkkjr esa fn[kk;k x;k Fkk fd gal ds nks ia[k gSaA ,d Kku] nwljk HkfDrA ,d ia[k dkV fn;k tk, rks gal mM+ ugha ldrkA vyx&vyx gSaA ckck & rqe HkfDr okyh ckrsa djrs gksA HkfDrekxZ esa rhu dgrs gSa & Kku] HkfDr vkSj oSjkX;] ysfdu ckck dk dguk gS tc Kku feyrk gS rks HkfDr mM+ tkrh gSA ftlds vanj Kku cSB tk;sxk rks HkfDr ds deZdk.M NwV tkosaxsA vxj HkfDr Hkh pykrk jgs vkSj Kku esa Hkh pyrk jgs blls lkfcr gksrk gS Kku mRiUu gqvk gh ughaA Student: For example Baba it was shown in the Mahabharata that there are two wings of swan.

One is knowledge and the other is bhakti. If one of the wings is cut, the swan cannot fly. They

are different.

Baba: You are talking about bhakti. In the path of worship three things are mentioned,

knowledge, bhakti and detachment (vairagya), but Baba says, when someone receives

knowledge, then bhakti vanishes. The person in whom knowledge fits will leave the rituals of

bhakti. If he continues to practice bhakti and continues to follow the path of knowledge as well,

then it proves that knowledge has not emerged (in him) at all.

Lke;& 10Lke;& 10Lke;& 10Lke;& 10----25252525 ftKklqftKklqftKklqftKklq & ckck] cki ds :Ik esa ikVZ ctkrs gSa] Vhpj ds :Ik esa ikVZ ctkrs gSa] ln~xq# ds :Ik esa ikVZ ctkrs gSa] geus cksyk & cki] Vhpj dk tks ikVZ gS] czg~ek ds eq[k ds }kjk tks eqjyh pyh] mldk DykfjfQds”ku nsuk vkSj vO;Dr ok.kh vHkh tks xqytkj nknh ds eq[k ls py jgh mldk Hkh DykfjfQds”ku nsuk] ;s Vhpj dk ikVZ gSA blds ckn D;k ckck dk ln~xq# dk ikVZ ”kq: gks tk;sxk\ Time: 10.25

Student: Baba plays a part in the form of a Father, He plays a part in the form of a teacher, He

plays a part in the form of Sadguru; I said, the part of the Father and the Teacher is to give

clarification of the Murlis which were narrated through the mouth of Brahma and to give

clarification of the Avyakta Vanis which are now being narrated through the mouth of Gulzar

Dadi. Will Baba start playing the part of Sadguru after this?

ckck &ckck &ckck &ckck & ,d gh jFk gS] tks cki ds :Ik esa olkZ nsus okyk Hkh gS] cki ds :Ik esa vkRek dks viuk ifjp; feyrk gS & eSa vkRek dkSu&ls dqy dh gw¡] dkSu&ls /keZ fo”ks’k esa] dkSu&ls /keZ[k.M fo”ks’k esa ikVZ ctkus okyh vkRek gw¡ & ;s vkRek dks vius cki ls olkZ feyrk gS] vuqHkwfr gksrh gSA rks cki] cki Hkh gS vkSj fQj Vhpj Hkh gSA vkSj Vhpj gksus ds ckn] le>kus ds ckn] fQj ln~xq# Hkh gSA xfr vkSj ln~xfr nsus okyk ,d gh xq# gSA vkSj dksbZ ls xfr] ln~xfr dk olkZ ugha feyrkA Baba: There is only one chariot, which also gives inheritance in the form of a Father. A soul

obtains its introduction through the form of the Father. I, the soul, belong to which clan? In

which particular religion and which particular religious land do I soul play the part? A soul

obtains this inheritance, experience from its Father. So, the Father is a Father too; and then He is




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a teacher as well. And after being a Teacher, after explaining (the knowledge) He is a Sadguru

as well. There is only one Guru who gives gati (salvation) and sadgati (true salvation). You do

not obtain the inheritance of gati, sadgati from anyone else. le; & 12le; & 12le; & 12le; & 12----04 04 04 04 ftKklqftKklqftKklqftKklq & Lo:ifu’B bldk xqg~;kFkZ D;k gS \ ckck ckck ckck ckck & Lo] :IkA Lo ekus vkRek] :Ik ekus :iA vkRek dk :Ik T;ksfr fcUnqA fu’B ekus cSBus okykA T;ksfr fcUnq Lo:i ds fLFkfr esa fLFkr gksdj ds tks cSB tk,] lks gh Lo:ifu’BA ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq & tc lk<+s pkj yk[k vkRek iwjk vkfRed fLFkfr esa pys tk;saxs] Lo fLFkfr esa pys tk,¡xs rks uacjokj lc Lo:ifu’B esa pys tk;saxs\ uacjokj lk<+s pkj yk[k Lo:ifu’B gks tk,¡xs\ Time: 12.04

Student: What is the deep meaning behind the word ‘swaroopnishth’?

Baba: Swa, roop. Swa means the soul, ‘roop’ means form. The form of a soul is point of light.

Nishth means the one who sits. The one who sits by becoming constant in the stage of point of

light form is swaroopnishth.

Student: When all the four and a half lakh souls would achieve the complete soul conscious

stage, when they achieve the self stage (swasthiti), then will they become numberwise

swarupnishth? Will the four and a half lakh (souls) become numberwise swarupnishth?

ckckckckckckckck & Lo:ifu’B gksaxs rHkh rks nqfu;k¡ dk ifjorZu gksxkA vxj lk<+s pkj yk[k gh Lo:ifu’B ugha gq, rks nqfu;k¡ dk ifjorZu dSls gksxk\ fouk”k Hkh ugha gksus okyk gSA ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq & ckck dks tks ;kn djrs gSa] ml le; vkfRed fLFkfr iwjh gks tk;sxh] rks cki dh ;kn iwjh etZ gks tk,xh\ ekus vkfRed fLFkfr ,d lkFk esa ckck vkSj vkRek ------- ckck&ckck&ckck&ckck& T;ksfr fcUnq vkfRed Lo:Ik ls ijekRek cki vyx gS gh ughaA tgk¡ T;ksfr fcUnq vkRek gS] ijefirk ijekRek cki ml cPps ds lkFk gh lkFk gSA blfy, dgk Hkh tkrk gS & ijefirk vkSj lkFk esa ijekRekA Baba: The world will be transformed only when we become swarupnishth. If the four and a half

lakh souls themselves do not become swarupnishth, then how will the world transform? Even

the destruction would not take place.

Student: When those who remember Baba achieve complete soul conscious stage, then will the

remembrance of Baba merge completely? I mean to say will the soul conscious stage and Baba’s

remembrance be simultaneous?....

Baba: The Supreme Soul Father is not separate from the point of light soul form at all. Where

there is point of light soul, the Supreme Father Supreme Soul Father is definitely with that child.

That is why it is also said, the Supreme Father; and with Him the Supreme Soul. ftKklqftKklqftKklqftKklq & ckck] ln~xq# dk ikVZ tc “kq: gksxk rc rks ok.kh pykus dh t+:jr ugha gS\ Ckkck Ckkck Ckkck Ckkck & lr~ ekus D;k\ ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq & lPpkbZA ckck &ckck &ckck &ckck & lPpkbZ dksbZ ok.kh pykuk ugha gSA lPpkbZ ds lkeus dksbZ fVd ugha ldrkA ,sls gh ln~xq# dk oks ikVZ gS ftlds lkeus okpk ls dksbZ fVd ugha ldsxkA Student: Baba, when the part of the Satguru begins, then will there not be any need to narrate

vani?

Baba: What does Sat mean?

Student: The truth.

Baba: Truth does not mean mere speech. Nobody can face truth at all. Similarly, Satguru’s part

is such that nobody will be able to face him with words.




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le; & 14le; & 14le; & 14le; & 14----20 20 20 20 ftKklqftKklqftKklqftKklq & ckck ijefirk ijekRek nks pht+ gaSA ckck&ckck&ckck&ckck& ijefirk ekuk ftldk dksbZ firk ugha vkSj ijekRek dk rks firk gSA Time: 14.20

Student: Baba, Supreme Father and Supreme Soul are two different things.

Baba: Supreme Father means the one who does not have any father whereas the Supreme soul

has a father.

le; & 14le; & 14le; & 14le; & 14----38 38 38 38 ftKklqftKklqftKklqftKklq & ckck] f”ko rks iRFkjcqf) dks ikjl cukrs gaSA vHkh ikjl ls ghjs cu tkrs gSaA ghjk rks tgj Hkh gksrk gSA ckck &ckck &ckck &ckck & rks\ ftKklqftKklqftKklqftKklq & ghjs rks Kku dk ped ekjrs gSaA rks tgj dSls cu tkrk gS\ ckck ckck ckck ckck & tgj cu tkrk gS fd gksrk gh gS\ ftKklqftKklqftKklqftKklq & gksrk gh gSA eq¡g esa Mkyus ls ej tkrs gSaA rks ejus dh ckr D;k gS\ ckck ckck ckck ckck & ghjk tks gS] oks ;kn djus dh pht+ gSA pkV tkus dk pht ugha gSA oks jks”kuh nsus okyh pht+ gS] jks”kuh nsus okyk cYc gS vkSj mldks dgs eaS vHkh [kk tkÅ¡ blsA Time: 14.38

Student: Baba, Shiv transforms those with a stone-like intellect into paaras. Now we are

transformed from paaras to diamonds. The diamond is also poisonous.

Baba: So what?

Student: The diamonds radiate the light of knowledge. So, how does it become a poison?

Baba: Does it become a poison or is it a poison already?

Student: It is already a poison. People die if they put it into their mouth. So, what is the reason

of death (in the unlimited sense)?

Baba: The diamond is a thing to be remembered. It is not a thing to be licked. It is a thing that

radiates light; it is a bulb that radiates light and if someone says that I will eat it now!

ftKklqftKklqftKklqftKklq & pkV tkus dh ckr eryc tSls dksbZ vkRek Kku dk ped ekj jgk gS vkSj mlesa dksbZ fyiV tk,] eryc oks [kRe gks tk;sxk\ ckck &ckck &ckck &ckck & iraxk dk D;k gksrk gS\ iraxk “kek ds Åij vkrk gS] fQj mldk D;k fjt+YV gksrk gS\ [kRe gks tkrk gSA ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq & ftl rjg ijefirk ijekRek esa vkrs gSa] rks mlesa yiV tkus ds dkj.k ;s Hkh gks ldrk gS fd in uhpk gks ldrk gSA ckck&ckck&ckck&ckck& g¡\ Student: Licking means that suppose a soul is radiating light of knowledge and if someone

entangles in him, then will he perish?

Baba: What happens to a moth (patanga)? A moth comes near lamp (shama); then what isthe

result? It perishes.

Student: Just as the Supreme Father comes in (the body of) the Supreme Soul, and because of

entangling in him, it is possible that his post becomes degraded.

Baba: Hm?




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ftKklqftKklqftKklqftKklq& tSls ckck us eqjyh esa cksyk gS fd vxj lqizhe lksy ijefirk dh ;kn u vk;s rks Hkys “kjhjHkku dks gh ;kn djks] fQj Hkh csM+k ikj gks tk;sxkA ckck ckck ckck ckck & “kjhjHkku dks ;kn djks ! ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq & eryc bl l`f’V esa ,d gh tks f”kofyax gS] ftlesa f”ko izos”k gksrk gS] tSls f”kfofyax esa iRFkj ds Åij ikuh Mkyk tkrk gSA eryc dksbZ vkRek tks QLVZ esa ,oj I;ksj jgrh gS vkSj ykLV esa------ Student: For example, Baba has said in the Murli that if one is not able to remember the

Supreme Soul Supreme Father, then one may remember the body consciousness, even then the

ship would sail across (i.e. achieve true salvation).

Baba: Should we remember the body consciousness?

Student: I mean to say the only Shivling which exists in this world, in which Shiv enters, for

example water is poured over the stone of Shivling. It means a soul which is initially ever pure

and in the last....

ckckckckckckckck & budk dgus dk eryc ;s gS fd ftl ru esa eqdjZj :Ik ls ijekRek ijefirk f”ko vkrs gSa oks jFk] mldks Hkh vxj ge ;kn djas] rks oks jFk Hkh vfouk'kh gSA oks var rd fouk'k dks ikus okyk ugha gSA rks vfouk'kh dks ;kn djsaxs rks D;k cusaxs\ vfouk'kh gh cusaxsA blfy, HkfDrekxZ esa Hkxoku ds pj.kksa dh feV~Vh Hkh ekFks ls yxkrs gSaA pj.k ekus cqf) :ih ik¡oA vkSj oks cqf) :ih ik¡o rks gS gh ijefirkA oks cqf) :ih ik¡o ls ftl jFk esa izos'k djrk gS oks ,d feV~Vh dh rjg gSA ml ijefirk ds cqf} :ih ik¡o dh oks feV~Vh gSA oks feV~Vh Hkh vxj eLrd ls yx tk,] fpid tk,] ;kn jgs] rks Hkh dY;k.k gSA Baba: He means to say that even if we remember the body, the chariot in which the Supreme

Soul, Supreme Father Shiv comes in permanent form, then that chariot is also imperishable. It is

not going to be destroyed till the end. So, if we remember the imperishable, then what will we

become? We will also become imperishable. That is why in the path of worship, soil at the feet

(charan) of God is applied on the forehead (by the devotees). Charan means intellect-like feet.

And that intellect-like feet is the Supreme Father. The chariot in which He enters with His

intellect-like feet is like soil. He is the soil of the intellect-like feet of that Supreme Father. Even

if that soil is applied, if it sticks to the forehead, if it remains in our thoughts, it is beneficial.

ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq & ckck] f'kofyax esa nqfu;k¡oh xq# yksx L=hfyax vkSj iqfYyax nks fn[kkrs gSa] ge yksx rks vPNh rjg tkurs gSa fd jkeokyh vkRek ;k 'kadj dh vkRek f”kofyax gSA ckck &ckck &ckck &ckck & f'kofyax esa L=hfyax] iqfYyax dgk¡ gS\ f'ko rks iq#"k gh iq#"k gSA f'ko ds nks ikVZ dgs tk ldrs gSaA tcfd f'kofyax esa oks czg~ek dh lksy Hkh izos'k djrh gS] rks dgk tkrk gS ckinknk ;k dgk tkrk gS & ßv/kZukjh'ojÞA vk/kk iq#"k dk ikVZ] vk/kk L=h dk ikVZA tSls orZeku le; ,MokUl ikVhZ esa dgsaxs & izSDVhdy esa ek¡&cki dk ikVZ ugha gSA fQj Hkh ek¡ dh ikyuk fey jgh gSA fcuk ekrk dh ikyuk ds ifjokj iui ugha ldrkA Student: Baba, the worldly gurus show the female and male organs in the Shivling. We people

know very well that the sul of Ram or Shankar is the Shivling.

Baba: Where is the female and male organ in the Shivling? Shiv is just male. It can be said that

Shiv has two parts (i.e. roles). When Brahma’s soul also enters the Shivling, then it is said

Bapdada or ‘Ardhanaareeshwar’. Half masculine role and half feminine role. Just as it would

be said in the advance party at present, the part of Mother and Father is not being played in

practical. Even so the sustenance of the Mother is being received. Without the sustenance of the

Mother, the family cannot prosper.




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nwljs ftKklq us dgknwljs ftKklq us dgknwljs ftKklq us dgknwljs ftKklq us dgk & ckck] oks tkurs gSa fd & L=hfyax ekuk tyk/kkjh dks cksyrs gSaA ckck ckck ckck ckck & oks fyax FkksM+s gh gSA igyk ftKklqigyk ftKklqigyk ftKklqigyk ftKklq & ge tyk/kkjh dks ugha dg jgs gSaA ge dg jgs gaS & tSls vkfn esa tc ,d puk esa nks nkus FksA rks chp esa tc lqizhe lksy vkrs gSa] ckck us Bhd gh cksyk vHkhA Another student said: Baba, they know that the jalaadhaari (the circular base of the Shivling)

is called the female organ.

Baba: It is not the ling.

The first student said: I am not talking about the jalaadhaari. I am telling that just as there

were two halves in one pulse in the beginning. So, when the Supreme Soul comes in the middle,

whatever Baba said just now is correct.

le; & 19le; & 19le; & 19le; & 19----25252525 ftKklqftKklqftKklqftKklq & ckck] lqHknzk dk gj.k fd;k FkkA mldk csgn dk eryc D;k gS\ mldk dkSu gj.k fd;k\ ckck&ckck&ckck&ckck& gj.k rks vtqZu us fd;kA vtqZu rks dksbZ nwljk FkksM+s gh gSA tks uj ls ukjk;.k cuus okyk gS] oks gh vtqZu gSA ftlds jFk esa Hkxoku izos'k djrs gSa] oks gh vtqZu gSA Hknz dgrs gh gSa dY;k.kdkjh dksA lqUnj dY;k.kdkjh ikVZ gSA mlds vkus ek= ls gh LFkkiuk 'kq: gks tkrh gSA tks vO;Dr ckinknk cksyrs gaSA D;k\ rqe cPpksa dks u;h nqfu;k¡ dh lkSxkr ckinknk us nh gSA Time: 19.25

Student: Baba, Subhadra was abducted. What does it mean in an unlimited sense? Who

abducted her?

Baba: Arjun abducted her. Arjun is none other than the one who transforms from a man to

Narayan. The one in whose chariot God enters is Arjun. Bhadra means beneficial. It is the

beautiful and beneficial part. The establishment begins as soon as she arrives. About which

Avyakta Bapdada speaks. What? Bapdada has given the gift of the new world to you children.

Lke;& 20Lke;& 20Lke;& 20Lke;& 20----30303030 ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq & ckck us ,d okrkZyki esa cksyk gS & tc “kjhj cQZ esa nc tk;sxk] rks ckn esa Hkh vkRek izos”k dj ldrh gSA ckck&ckck&ckck&ckck& cQZ ls ckgj vk;s] cQZ gVs vkSj vkRek izos'k djsA ftKklq&ftKklq&ftKklq&ftKklq& fdruk fnu esa\ ckck&ckck&ckck&ckck& dksbZ Vkbe fuf'pr ugha gSA dksbZ rks yEcs le; rd Hkh cQZ esa ncs iM+s jgsaxsA Time: 20.30

Student: Baba has said in a discussion, (CD) when the body is buried under ice, then the soul

can enter later on as well.

Baba: When they come out of the ice, when the ice melts, the soul will enter.

Student: In how many days?

Baba: The time is not fixed. Some would remain buried under ice for a long period as well.

ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq & ckck] cQZ esa ncus ls igys tks fodykax gSa] efrean] tks gS.MhdWi gSa] mldk “kjhj dSls ukeZy gks tk,xk\ tSls gkjeksu ifjorZu gks tkrk gS] rks fodykax dSls gksrk\ ftldk gkFk VwVk gS] ik¡o VwVk gSA rks oks cQZ esa ncus ds ckn iwjk dk iwjk ifjoRkZu gks tk,xk\ ckck&ckck&ckck&ckck& gk¡] ekuk ftldks nksuksa Hkqtk,¡ ugha gSa rks Hkqtk,¡ vk tk,¡xh\ ftudks nksuksa Vk¡xsa ugha gSa] nksuksa Vk¡xsa vk tk;saxh\ ;s eryc gS\ ,slh rks dksbZ ckr ugha gSA [kf.Mr ewfrZ;k¡ HkfDrekxZ eas Hkh vPNh ugha ekuh tkrh gSaA




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Student: Baba, how would the bodies of those, who are handicapped, mentally challenged

before being buried under ice become normal (after emerging from the ice)? For example (it has

been said that) hormonal changes take place, so, how does it take place in case of handicapped

persons, whose arms, legs are broken? So, will all that be completely transformed after being

buried under the ice?

Baba: Yes, does it mean that will the one who does not have both arms get them back? Will

someone who does not have both limbs get them back? Do you mean to say that? It is not like

this. The broken idols are not considered good even in the path of worship.

ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq & ysfdu Kku esa pys vk;s rks\ ckIk ds ikl rks pys vkrs gSa rks dqN rks ifjorZu gksuk pkfg,A ckck &ckck &ckck &ckck & fdldk ifjorZu gksuk pkfg,\ ftuds gkFk Hkh dVs gq, gSa] ;q} esa ekuks fdlh dh nksuksa Hkqtk,¡ dV xbZa] nksuksa Vk¡xsa dV x;ha] Kku esa vk x;s rks Kku esa vkus okys tks gSa] muds vax ljlCt gks tk;saxs\ ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq & ugha ckck] tks yaxM+k gS] oks Kku esa vkds iq#"kkFkZ dj jgk gS] rks mlds ckn D;k oks yaxM+k gh jgsxk\ ckck&ckck&ckck&ckck& oks rks vktdy IykfLVd ltZjh ls yaxMs+ Hkh Bhd gks tkrs gSaA ysfdu FkksM+h Vk¡x gksuh rks pkfg,A ;s rks dg jgs gSa & fcYdqy gS gh ughaA ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq & vHkh ugha gSA ckck&ckck&ckck&ckck& vHkh rks vU/kksa dks Hkh vk¡[k Mky nsrs gSaA Student: But what if they start following the path of knowledge? If they come to the Father,

then they should undergo transformation at least to some extent.

Baba: What should be transformed? The persons, whose arms have been cut, suppose both arms

of someone have been cut/severed in a war, both the legs have been cut, if they enter the path of

knowledge, then will their organs be restored / become normal?

Student: No Baba, suppose a lame person enters the path of knowledge and is making efforts,

then after that will he remain lame (after being buried in ice)?

Baba: Now-a-days even the lame persons become normal through plastic surgery. But at least

some part of the leg should be present. He is telling that it (i.e. arm/leg) does not exist at all.

Student: It does not exist now.

Baba: Now even the blind persons are implanted with eyes.

ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq & ckck budk dgus dk eryc gS & gSafMdSi 'kjhj cQZ esa iM+sxk vkSj vkRek Åij ls vk;sxh] rks tks ckWMh gS] oks rks gSaMhdSi Fkh] ysfdu tc mBsxk] mBus ds ckn Bhd gks tk,xk\ Ckkck &Ckkck &Ckkck &Ckkck & tc vkt dh IykfLVd ltZjh esa tks vax ugha gksrk gS] oks Hkh vax ljlCt dj nsrs gSa] rks tks vlyh ltZjh gS mlesa ugha gks ldrk\ Another Student: Baba, he means to say, the handicapped body will remain buried under the

ice and the soul comes from above; the body was handicapped, but when he will rise (from ice)

will he become normal?

Baba: When, in today’s plastic surgery, the organ that was not present is also replaced, then

can’t it be possible in the true surgery (i.e. world transformation)?

le; & 23le; & 23le; & 23le; & 23----48484848 ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq & ckck] ln~xq# dk ikVZ dc ls pkyw gksxk\ ckck &ckck &ckck &ckck & tc lf[r iwjh gksxhA vHkh rks cgqr ckrksa es ywt+usl pyrh gSA ln~xq# fdlh ds ukt+&u[kjs ugha ns[ksxkA




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Time: 23.48

Student: Baba, when will the part of sadguru begin?

Baba: When there is complete strictness. Now looseness continues in many matters. Sadguru

will not tolerate anybody’s coquettishness (naaz-nakhrey). le; & 24le; & 24le; & 24le; & 24----14141414 ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq & ckck] ;s tks ckck dk egkokD; gS & ßKku vatu ln~xq# fn;k] vKku va/ksj fouk'kÞ] bldk vFkZ crkb;sA Ckkck &Ckkck &Ckkck &Ckkck & vjs! D;k vFkZ iwN jgs gaS\ dkSu&lk vuFkZ cqf} esa-----A ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq & tc Kku esa vk;k] vkRek dk Kku fey x;kA rks Ckkck us crk;k & eSa rqe cPpksa dks f=us=h cukrk gw¡A ckck &ckck &ckck &ckck & vkRek dk D;k Kku fey x;k\ ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq & vkRek] ijekRek dk rhu dkyksa dk Kku---- Time: 24.14

Student: Baba, tell us the meaning of the following version of Baba, ‘gyaan anjan sadguru diya

agyaan andher vinaash’ (when the sadguru gave the anjan of knowledge, the darkness of

ignorance vanished).

Baba: Arey! What meaning are you asking? Which contrary meaning is coming to your

intellect....

Student: When one entered the path of knowledge, one received the knowledge of the soul. So,

Baba said, I make you children Trinetri (three-eyed).

Baba: Which knowledge of the soul did you receive?

Student: The knowledge of the three aspects of time related to the soul and the Supreme Soul....

ckck &ckck &ckck &ckck & ,d rks gksrk gS csfld Kku & lkekU; Kku vkSj ,d gksrk fo”ks’k KkuA rks ,MokUl esa D;k ,Mokal Kku fey x;k\ f=ewfrZ dk Hkh Kku fey x;k] mlls viuh vkRek dks D;k fey x;k\ oks rks f=ewfrZ dk fey x;kA cqqf} esa cSB x;k uEcjokj fd ;s vkRek czg~ek ds :Ik esa ikVZ ctkus okyh] ;s fo".kq ds :Ik esa] ;s 'kadj ds :Ik esaA ijUrq viuh vkRek dks D;k fey x;k\ vius dks Kku vatu fey x;k D;k\ tc rd vius Lo:Ik dk Kku ugha gqvk rks Kku vatu fdl ckr dk feyk\ vkRek dks vius Lo:Ik dh igpku gksuh pkfg, fd eSa vkRek dkSu\ bl l̀f"V :ih jaxeap ij esjk fo”ks’k ikVZ D;k gS\ rc vKku va/ksj fouk'kA fQj euu&fparu&eaFku Lor% gh pyus yx iM+rk gSA ijfparu dh xqatkb'k gh ugha jgrhA ckck &ckck &ckck &ckck & vkSj\ Baba: One is basic knowledge i.e. ordinary knowledge, and one is special knowledge. So, which

advanced knowledge did you receive in the advance (party)? You received the knowledge of

Trimurty as well; What did our soul obtain from it? The (knowledge of) Trimurty was received.

It fitted into the intellect numberwise that this soul plays a part in the form of Brahma, this soul

plays a part in the form of Vishnu and this soul plays a part in the form of Shankar. But what did

our soul receive? Did we receive the anjan (collyrium/eyesalve) of knowledge? Until one does

not receive the knowledge of one’s own form, then what kind of anjan of knowledge did we

receive? A soul should have the realization of its form that who am I, the soul? What is my

special part on this world stage? Then the darkness of ignorance vanishes / gets destroyed. Then

the thinking and churning begins automatically. There is no margin for thinking about others at

all.

Baba: Anything else?




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ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq & ln~xq# dk IokbUV tqM+k gqvk gSA ßKku vatu ln~xq# fn;k tc ] rc vKku va/ksjs dk fouk'kÞA ckck& ckck& ckck& ckck& gk¡ th] lPpk xq# rks ogh gS tks vius vusd tUeksa dh dFkk&dgkuh crk nsA tSls Hkxoku us vtqZu ls dgk & vtqZu] rw vius tUeksa dks ugha tkurkA eaaS rsjs dks crkrk gw¡A rks dgsaxs & ßKku vatu feyk] fnO; nf̀"V feyhÞA Student: The point of sadguru is connected with it. ‘When Sadguru gave the anjan of

knowledge, the darkness of ignorance is destroyed.

Baba: Yes, the true Guru is the one who narrates the story of our many births. For example God

told Arjun, – Arjun, you do not know about your births. I tell you. So, it would be said, ‘he

received the anjan of knowledge, divine vision.’

le; & 26le; & 26le; & 26le; & 26----31313131 ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq & ckck] vHkh rqjUr ckck us cksyk tc euu&fparu Lor% gksus yxk] ckck dk Kku lquus ds ckn tc ge yksxksa dk euu&fparu gksrk gS] rks ckck dh ;kn rks gksrh gS ysfdu ckck us eqjyh esa cksyk gS euu&fparu ;kn ugha gSA ;kn vyx pht+ gS] euu&fparu lqIr fLFkfr esa gSA Time: 26.31

Student: Baba, just now Baba said that when thinking and churning begins automatically; after

listening to Baba’s knowledge when we people start thinking and churning, then we do

remember Baba, but Baba has said in a Murli that thinking and churning (of knowledge) is not

the remembrance. The remembrance is different; thinking and churning is a (kind of) stage of

sleep. ckck&ckck&ckck&ckck& ;s rks rqEgkjh viuh euer gSA euu&fparu&eaFku esa jguk & ;s Hkh lsds.M Dykl ;kn gS( ijUrq eqjfy;ksa ds Kku dk euu&fparu&eaFku gksuk pkfg,] vk/kkj eqjyh gksuk pkfg,A euu&fparu&eaFku dh LVst lw{e LVst gS] vO;Dr LVst gSA vO;Dr LVst dks ;s dgas fd & ;kn gS gh ugha] ,sls ugha dg ldrsA flQZ fcUnq :i dh ;kn esa fVduk gh ;kn gS] oks rks ,slh LVst gS tgk¡ iki rsth ls HkLe gksrs gSaA ysfdu lw{e euu&fparu&eaFku fd;s cxSj dksbZ vkRek vkfRed fLFkfr esa lnk dky ds fy, fVd Hkh ugha ldrhA tks vkRek ftruk euu&fparu&eaFku ds foLrkj esa tkus okyh gksxh] oks mruk gh lkj esa fVdus okyh cusxhA Baba: This is your own opinion. Being in a stage of thinking and churning is also a second class

remembrance, but the thinking and churning should be about the knowledge of the Murlis; the

basis should be the Murlis. The stage of thinking and churning is a subtle stage, avyakt stage.

We cannot say that avyakt stage is not remembrance at all. Only becoming constant in the

remembrance of the point-like form is (the real) remembrance; it is such a stage where the sins

are burnt rapidly. But no soul can become constant in the soul conscious stage forever without

sutble thinking and churning. The more a soul goes into the expanse of thinking and churning,

the more it will become constant in the essence.

ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq & rks euu&fparu&eaFku fdl vk/kkj ij gksrk gS\ fujkdkjh fLFkfr ds vk/kkj ij ;k--------A ckck&ckck&ckck&ckck& cki dh ;kn ftruh tkLrh c<+rh tk;sxh] euu&fparu&eaFku Hkh c<+rk tk;sxkA vkSj cki dh ;kn mruh gh c<s+xh] ftruk cki cPpksa dks ;kn djsxkA vkSj cki mUgha cPpksa dks ;kn djsxk] tks lfoZl esa rRi;Z gksaxsA lfoZlscqy cPps tks gSa] mudks Lor% gh euu&fparu&eaFku mB [kM+k gksrk gS D;ksafd cki mu cPpksa dks ;kn djrk gS] lfoZl dh enn nsrk gSA dksbZ ikojQqy vkRek le>us okyh lkeus vk x;h rks n`f"V dh enn nsrk gS] okpk dh enn nsrk gS] okbczs'ku dh enn nsrk gSA




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Student: So, what is the basis of thinking and churning? On the basis of incorporeal stage or

on.....?

Baba: The more the remembrance of the Father increases, the thinking and churning will also

increase. And the remembrance of the Father will increase only to the extent the Father

remembers the children. And the Father will remember only those children who remain busy in

service. Serviceable children start thinking and churning automatically because the Father

remembers those children, helps them in service. When a powerful soul, which understand (the

knowledge), comes in front of the children, then He gives the help of drishti, gives the help of

speech, gives the help of vibrations. le; & 38le; & 38le; & 38le; & 38----38383838 ftKklqftKklqftKklqftKklq & ckck] vkfn esa xhrk ekrk esa izos'k djds lquuk&lqukus dk dke fd;k Fkk] rks QLVZ czkg~e.k lks QLVZ nsork] rks mldh eEeh dkSu gqbZ\ lsodjke dh eEeh dkSu\ ckck &ckck &ckck &ckck & lsodjke dh nknh vEek¡ dkSu gS vkSj ijnknh vEek¡ dkSu gS\ vjs! fQj rks 84 tUe ds Hkh fglkc&fdrkc fudy vkus pkfg,A vkSj ckck rks dgrs gSa & eSa fdlh ds ikVZ FkksMs+ gh crkrk gw¡A ckinknk dksbZ ds ikVZ crkrs gaS D;k\ gj vkRek vius&vius xq.kksa ls] viuh&viuh okpk ls] vius&vius okbczs'ku ls] viuh&viuh dFkuh vkSj djuh ls vius vki vius dks izR;{k djsxhA lsodjke dk cki gksxk ]oks vius dks cki izR;{k dj nsxkA tks MkM+s gksxk] oks MkM+s izR;{k dj nsxkA nknh vEek¡ gksxh] rks vius dks nknh vEek¡ izR;{k dj nsxhA Time: 38.38

Student: Baba, in the beginning, He had entered Gita mata and had performed the task of

listening and narrating, so who is the mother of the first Brahmin and hence the first deity? Who

is the mother of Sevakram?

Baba: Who is the grandmother of Sevakram and who is his great-grandmother? Arey! Then the

accounts of 84 births should also emerge. And Baba says, I do not narrate anybody’s part. Does

Bapdada tell anybody’s part? Every soul would reveal itself automatically through its virtues,

through its words, through its vibrations, through its speech and actions. Sevakram’s father

would reveal himself as his father. His grandfather would reveal himself as his grandfather. If

someone is his grandmother, then she will reveal herself as his grandmother.

ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq &ftKklq & ckck] oks lc rks vHkh Kku esa vk x;s gksaxsA ckck& ckck& ckck& ckck& dkSu\ ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq ftKklq & lsodjke dh eEeh] nknhA ckck &ckck &ckck &ckck & lsodjke ds D;k] vkids 84 tUeksa dk ifjokj Kku esa ugha vk x;k gksxk\ g¡\ Student: Baba, they all must have entered the path of knowledge by now.

Baba: Who?

Student: Sevakram’s mother, grandmother.

Baba: Not just Sevakram, but would your family of 84 births not have entered the path of

knowledge? Hm?

le; & 30-30 ftKklq & ckck] 'kjhj lM+rk tk;sxk vkSj vkRek ikojQqy curh tk,xhA lM+rs ekuk D;k\ ckck & chekfj;k¡ c<+rh tk;saxhA nqfu;k¡ esa dsfedy [kkn c<+rh tk jgh gS] rks dsfedy [kkn c<+us ls vUu iznwf"kr gksrk tk jgk gS] ok;qe.My iznwf”kr gksrk tk jgk gS] ftldh otg ls 'kjhj lM+saxs ;k ikojQqy cusaxs\ lM+rs tkosaxsA ysfdu lMs+ gq, 'kjhj dks Hkh pykus ds fy, vkRek ikojQqy gksrh tk,xhA tSls cw<+h ekrkvksa ds fy, cksyk gS & cw<+h ekrkvksa dks lsok ds ia[k yx tkosaxsA




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Time: 30.30

Student: Baba (it has been said that) the body would go on rotting and the soul would go on

becoming powerful. What is meant by ‘rotting’?

Baba: The diseases would go on increasing. The chemical fertilizers are increasing in the world;

so because of the increase (in the use) of chemical fertilizers, the foodgrains are becoming

polluted, the atmosphere is becoming polluted because of which will the bodies rot or become

powerful? They will go on rotting. But in order to work even through the rotten body, the soul

would go on becoming powerful. For example it has been said for the elderly mothers that the

old mothers will get the wings of service.

Lke; & 31-20 ftKklq & ckck] =srk;qx esa cksyk & ckg ds I;kj ls cPpksa dk tUe gksxkA rks ckg rks 'kjhj dk vax gSA ckck & 'kjhj dk vax gS ysfdu Hkz"V bfUnz;k¡ gSa ;k Js"B bfUnz;k¡ gaS \ ftKklq & Js"B bfUnz;k¡A ckck & fQj\ Time: 31.20

Student: Baba, it has been said that in the Silver Age, children will be born through the love of

arms. But arms are part of the body.

Baba: They are the parts of the body, but are they unrighteous organs or righteous organs?

Student: The righteous organs.

Baba: Then? le; & 31-41 ftKklq & ckck] ckck tc eqjyh pykrs gSa rks fganh esa gh ckr dh gSA rks ns[kk gS fd fganh esa eSDlhee L=hfyax gSA tkrh gS] [kkrh gS & ;s lc vkfnA ckck &tkrh gS] [kkrh gS ! [kkrk gS] tkrk gS ugha gS\ ftKklq & de gSA ckck& de gS\ ftKklq & ysfdu T;knk L=hfyax dk izHkko gSA ckck& ,slk rks dqN ugha gSA Time: 31.41

Student: Baba, Baba has spoken only in Hindi when He narrates Murlis. So, it has been

observed that the gender of maximum words in Hindi is feminine. ‘jaati hai (she goes), khaati

hai (she eats) – all these words, etc.

Baba: ‘Jaati hai, khaati hai’! Is there not ‘khata hai (he eats), jata hai (he goes)’?

Student: It is less.

Baba: Is it less?

Student: But there is more influence of feminine gender.

Baba: It is not so.

ftKklq & fganh esa L=hfyax dk izHkko D;ksa gS\ ckck & ,slk rqEgkjk le> dk izHkko gSA ftKklq & eSDlhee gSA ckck & ,slk dqN ugha gSA ftKklq & fganh fyVjspj esa ,sls gSA ckck & fgUnh fyVjspj esa D;k gS\ ftKklq & blds lkFk dksbZ Kku dk fyad gS\




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ckck & D;k fyad gS\ Student: Why is there an influence of feminine gender on Hindi (language)?

Baba: It is an influence of your understanding.

Student: It (i.e. use of femnine words) is maximum.

Baba: It is not so.

Student: It is like this in the Hindi literature.

Baba: What is there in the Hindi literature?

Student: Does it have any link with (the Godly) knowledge?

Baba: What is the link?

ftKklq & fganh esa] tSls ckck vkRek rks iq#"k gSA fQj Hkh dgrs gSa & ijekRek izos’k djrh gS] tkrh gSA ekuk vkRek izos’k djrh gSA vkRek rks iq#”k gSA fQj Hkh dgrs gSa & ijekRek izos’k djrh gS] tkrh gSA ekuk vkRek izos’k djrh gSA rks vkRek rks iq#”kA ckck & :g tkrh gS & ,sls dgk tkrk gS\ ftKklq & :g dk ugha lqukA vkRek ds ckjs esa lquk gS & vkRek izos’k djrh gSA ckck& rks\ ftKklq & rks ;s L=hfyax ds Åij ykxw gksrk gSA ckck & vkRek izos'k djrh gS rks 'kjhj esa vk x;h ukA vkSj 'kjhj rks L=hfyax gh gks x;kA ik¡p rRoksa dk iqryk gh rks gSA ik¡p rRoksa dk iqryk izÑfr gh rks gSA Student: Baba, in Hindi, for example, the soul is masculine; even so it is said, Parmatma

pravesh kartee hai (the Supreme Soul enters), jaati hai (goes). The soul is male. Even so it is

said - Parmatma (Supreme Soul) pravesh kartee hai (enters), jaati hai (goes). I mean to say

‘aatma pravesh kartee hai’ (a soul enters). But the soul is male.

Baba: Is it said – rooh jaati hai (the soul goes)?

Student: I have not heard about (the use of the word) rooh. I have heard about aatma (soul) -

‘aatma pravesh kartee hai’ (a soul enters).

Baba: So?

Student: So, it is applicable to the feminine gender.

Baba: ‘aatma pravesh kartee hai’ (a soul enters) means it has entered the body, hasn’t it? And

the body is feminine. It is an effigy (putlaa) of five elements. It is an effigy of the five elements,

i.e. the nature.

ftKklq & ckck] ,sls rks ,d iq#”k gS & lqizhe lksy firkA ,sls rks idM+k tk, rks lkjs gh L=h gaSA lqizhe lksy dks NksM+dj lkjs gh L=h gSaA ckck & gk¡] lqizhe lksy ds vykok lkjh gh fL=;k¡ gSa\ dSls\ rks jke cki gS ,d] rqe lc gks lhrk,¡] ;s fdlds fy, cksyk x;k\ ftKklq & lqizhe lksy ds fy,A ckck & fQj\ rqe lc gks ltfu;k¡ vkSj lktu gS ,d & ;s fdlds fy, cksyk x;k\ ftKklq & ge vkRekvksa ds fy,A Student: Baba, in a way, there is only one male the Supreme Soul Father. From one point of

view everyone is female. Except the Supreme Soul everyone else is a female.

Baba: Yes, except the Supreme Soul everyone else a female? How? So, one is father Ram and

you all are Sitas. For whom was this said?

Student: For the Supreme Soul.

Baba: Then? All of you are wives and the husband is one. For whom was this said?

Student: For us souls.




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ckck& vkRekvksa ds fy,\ ekuk ltuh dks 'kjhj ugha gS\ ltuh dks Hkh 'kjhj gS vkSj lktu dks Hkh 'kjhj gS] rc gh lktu&ltuh dk laca/k curk gSA ugha rks vkfRed :Ik esa cki vkSj cPpksa dk gh laca/k gSA 'kjhj esa vkus ds ckn lktu&ltuh vkSj nwljs izdkj ds laca/k Hkh curs gSaA ftKklq & D;ksafd bl jkeokyh vkRek ds 'kjhj esa lqizhe lksy ikojQqy gSA lcls T;knk ikojQqy blfy,A ckck & gk¡A Baba: For the souls. Does it mean that the wife does not have a body? The wife has a body and

the husband has a body as well. Only then the relationship of husband and wife developes.

Otherwise, there is only a relationship of father and children in the form of a soul. After coming

in the body the relationship of husband and wife and other types of relationships are also

established.

Student: It is because the Supreme Soul is powerful in the body of this soul of Ram. It is

because He is the most powerful one.

Baba: Yes. le; & 34-25 ftKklq & ckck] nl o"kZ ls jgus okyk] /;ku esa tkrh FkhA 2036 ls igysA 2036 ds igys 1926&1927 esa mldks Hkkxhnkj cuk;k\ ckck & Bhd gS] 10 lky ls mldks nqdku esa ukSdj j[kkA ftKklq& Hkkxhnkj dc cuk;k\ ckck& Hkkxhnkj dks 36 ls 10 lky igys 26 esa nqdku laHkkyus ds fy, ukSdj ds :Ik esa j[kk x;kA 10 lky ls jgus okyk ekuk Hkkxhnkj dh rjQ b'kkjk fd;kA ftKklq & ysfdu Hkkxhnkj dc ls cuk;k\ ckck& 10 lky vHkh crk rks fn;kA Time: 34.25

Student: Baba, the one who used to live since ten years, used to go into trance. Before 2036 (i.e.

before 1936). Before 2036 (i.e. before 1936) was he made the partner in 1926-27?

Baba: It is correct; he was appointed as a servant in the shop since 10 years.

Student: When was he made the partner?

Baba: The partner was appointed as a servant to take care of the shop 10 years before 1936, i.e.

in 1926. ‘The one living since 10 years’ means that a hint was given towards the partner.

Student: But, since when was he made the partner?

Baba: Just now it was told ‘ten years’.

ftKklq & mlls igys D;k ukSdj Fkk\ ckck& mlls igys dkgs ds fy,\ lu~ 26 ls gh ukSdj FkkA mlls igys rks mudk cguksbZ Fkk] mldh viuh vyx nqdku Fkh] ysfdu oks lPpk O;fDr FkkA fn[kkok djrk ugha FkkA blfy, nqdku pyrh ugha FkhA ftKklq & lu~ 1936&37 esa xhrk ekrk esa lqizhe lksy izos'k djrs gSa rks mlh le; xhrk ekrk dh mez 60 lky gks x;hA ckck & Bhd gSA ftKklq & rks oks Hkh rks czg~ek gSA oks Hkh rks 100 lky gksus ds ckn 76 esa e`R;qyksd ls vejyksd esa tkuk pkfg,A ckck& vjs! firk ds :Ik esa dc dk;Z gqvk\ ßvga cht izn% firkÞA oks dkSu&lk Lo:Ik gS\ oks rks ,d gh gS ukA




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Student: Was he a servant before that?

Baba: Why before that? He was a servant since 1926 itself. Prior to that he was his brother-in-

law. He had a separate shop, but he was a true person. He did not show off. That is why his shop

was not flourishing.

Student: The Supreme Soul enters Gita mata in 1936-37. So, at that time the age of Gita mata

became 60 years.

Baba: It is correct.

Student: She too is a Brahma. She too should have gone from the abode of death to the abode of

immortality in 1976 after attaining the age of 100 years.

Baba: Arey! When was the part played in the form of father? ‘Aham beej pradah pita’. Which

form is that? That is only one, isn’t it? le; & 36-30 ftKklq& fjbudkjus'ku ckck us cksyk & iqujkorZu] fjbudkjus'ku dk csgn dk vFkZ D;k\ tSls budkjus’ku] dksbZ /keZfirk vorj.k djrs gSa mlds fy, ykxw gksrk gS ysfdu f'kockck tc vkrs gSa rks mldks fnO; vorj.k ;k fjbudkjus'ku dgrs gSa\ ckck& 76 esa fjbudkjus’ku dgsaxs] igys 36 esa budkjus'ku gqvkA lu~ 76 esa cki dk fjbudkjus'ku dgasA ftKklq & ysfdu }kij ls tc iSxEcj vkrs gSa] rks mldks D;k fnO; vorj.k dgsaxs\ ckck& oks rks izos'k djrs gSaA Time: 36.30

Student: Baba spoke about reincarnation. What is the meaning of reincarnation in an unlimited

sense? For example incarnation is applicable to the religious fathers who incarnate, but when

Shivbaba comes, is it called divine incarnation or reincarnation?

Baba: Will it be called reincarnation in 1976? Earlier it was incarnation in 1936Will it be called

the reincarnation of the Father in 1976?

Student: But when messengers come from the Copper Age, then will it be called divine

incarnation?

Baba: They enter.

le; & 37-27 ftKklq & ckck] tSlk cht oSlk QyA euq”; vkRek tc 'kjhj NksMsaxs rks euq”; gh tUe ysaxsA tSls vke dk isM+ gksxk rks----- ckck& vki vkxs D;k dguk pkgrs gSa\ ftKklq & tSls euq"; vkRek 'kjhj NksMrs gSa rks euq"; gh curs gSaA ckck& gk¡ thA dksbZ ubZ ckr dguk pkgrs gSa\ ftKklq & ogh iwN jgs gSa ckck fd tSlk cht oSlk QyA ckck& vjs! ;s rks csfld ukyst+ esa gh ;s ckr le>k nh x;h fd & euq"; vkRek 84 yk[k ;ksfu;ksa esa ugha tkrh gSA euq"; dh vkRek gS rks euq"; tkfr esa gh tUe ysxhA nwljh tkfr;ksa esa tUe ugha gksrk gSA Time: 37.27

Student: Baba, as the seed so the fruit. When a human soul leaves the body, it will take birth as

a human being only. For example, if it is a mango tree...

Baba: What do you want to say further?

Student: For example, when a human soul leaves its body, it becomes a human being only.

Baba: Yes, do you want to say anything new?

Student: Baba, that is what I am asking, as the seed so the fruit.




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Baba: Arey! This was explained in the basic knowledge itself that a human soul does not take

birth in 84 lakh species. If it is a human soul, it will take birth in human species only. It does not

take birth in other species

ftKklq & vPNk] fQj ckck ,MokUl esa crk;k x;k fd gkeksZUl psat gksrs gSa eryc------- ckck& ckj&ckj csfld ukyst+ esa tkus dh bPNk gks jgh gS D;k\ vHkh iDdk ugha gqvk\ ftKklq& ch-ds- okys vHkh dgrs gSa fd & tSlk cht oSlk QyA ckck& gk¡] gk¡] tSlk cht oSlk QyA euq"; tkfr dh vkRek dk cht gS] rks tks Qy gksxk vkSj tks o`{k gksxk] oks euq"; dk gh o`{k gksxk ;k dksbZ nwljk gksxk\ Student: OK, then Baba it was told in the advanced knowledge that the hormones change, i.e.....

Baba: Do you want to go to the basic knowledge again and again? Have you not become firm

yet?

Student: Now the BKs say that as the seed so the fruit.

Baba: Yes, yes, as the seed so the fruit. If the seed is of the soul of a human species, then the

fruit and the tree will be of human beings only, or will it be something else?

le; & 38-55 ftKklq & ckck] v"Vnso ds fy, cksyk x;k fd vf[k+jh tUe esa vk djds uhps fxjrs gSaA ekuk }kij;qx vkSj dfy;qx ds 63 tUeksa esa ls ,d tUe esa nwljs&nwljs /keksZa esa pys tkrs gSaA 8 vkRek,¡ gSa] ,d&,d vkRek] ,d&,d /keZ esa pyh tkrh gSA rks bldks fxjuk dgsaxs \ vkSj ckdh }kij;qx ls 63 tUe ls 62 tUe-------- ckck & vius /keZ esa rks iDds jgrs gaSA ij/keksZ Hk;ko% esa rks ugha tkrs gSaA ßLo/keZs fu/kua Js;%Þ& vius /keZ esa yM+rs&yM+rs 'kjhj NwV tk,] dksbZ gt+kZ ugha( ysfdu nwljs /keZ dh nklrk Lohdkj djas] gkFk mBk ysa vkSj 'kL= NksM nas] oks rks fQj nklRo cuuk iM+sA nkl&nklhiuk Lohdkj djuk iM+sxkA** ijk/khu Lkiusgq lq[k ukgha**A tks v/khu gks tkrk gS mldks rks fQj lq[k gksrk gh ugha gSA Lok/khurk esa gh lcls cM+k lq[k gSA blfy, Lo/keZ esa jguk vPNk gSA Time: 38.55

Student: Baba, it was said about the eight deities that they experience downfall in the last birth.

It means that among the 63 births of the Copper Age and the Iron Age, they go to other religions

for one birth each. There are eight souls; each of those souls goes to a different religion. So, will

this be called experiencing downfall? And from the Copper Age, in 62 out of the 63 births.....

Baba: They remain firm in their own religion. They do not go to the other religions which are

fearful (par dharmo bhayavah). ‘Swadharmey nidhanam shreyah’, it does not matter if one

loses the body while fighting for the cause of his own religion, but if he accepts the slavery of

the other religion, if he raises his hands (in defeat) and leaves his weapons, then he will have to

become a servantHe will have to accept becoming servants and maid servants. ‘Paraadheen

sapnehu sukhh naahi’. The one who becomes a slave cannot experience happiness (even in the

dreams) at all. The biggest happiness lies in being sovereign. That is why it is better to be in

one’s own religion (swadhrma).

ftKklq & rks v"V nso dk dksbZ vkRek nwljs /keZ esa tUe fy;k fd mldks--- ckck& tUe ysuk ckr vyx gksrh gS vkSj duoVZ gksuk ckr vyx gksrh gSA ftKklq & duoVZ gksuk ekuk ,d /keZ esa tUe fy;k fQj nwljk /keZ ------ ckck& viuk tks 'kjhj gS] oks ftl /keZ esa iSnk gqvk] ml /keZ dks NksM+ fn;k ekuk ij/keZ esa pyk x;kA tUe ysuk vyx ckr vkSj tUe ys djds fQj nwljs /keZ esa duoVZ gksuk & ;s uhprk dh ckr gks xbZA ftKklq & ekuk nwljksa dh ijk/khurk Lohdkj ugha djrs gSaA




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ckck & gk¡ thA Student: So, did any soul among the eight deities take birth in the other religions or...

Baba: To take a birth is a different thing and to convert is a different thing.

Student: To convert means to take a birth in one religion and then second religion....

Baba: If someone leaves the religion in which his body takes birth, it means that he adopted a

foreign religion. To take birth is a different thing and to convert into other religion after taking

birth is a lowly matter.

Student: It means that they do not accept the subordination of others.

Baba: Yes.

Lke; & 41-20 ftKklq & ckck] 108 esa ls 100 vkRek,¡ jktk,¡ curs gaS rks mlesa v"V nso lezkV curs ;k egkjktk curs gaS\ D;k curs gSa\ ckck & v"V nso gSa] oks iwoZt gSa vkSj tks ftruk gh iqjkuk gksrk gS] mruk gh ikojQqy gksrk gS ysfdu dfy;qx ds var esa tk djds lax ds jax esa vkrs&vkrs mruk gh detksj cu tkrk gS D;ksafd v"V nso Å¡p rs Å¡p in ikus okys Hkh gSa vkSj fQj uhp rs uhp fxjus okys Hkh gSaA Time: 41.20

Student: Baba, 100 out of 108 souls become kings; so among them, do the eight deities become

Emperors (samraat) or Maharajas? What do they become?

Baba: The eight deities are the ancestors (poorvaj) and the older one is the more powerful he

is, but at the end of the Iron Age, he is coloured by the company and becomes weak to the that

extent because the eight deities achieve the highest on high post too and later on they also

experience the maximum downfall.

ftKklq & ckck igyk tks gS oks egkjktk curk gS ;k lezkV curk gS\ ckck& jktk Å¡pk gksrk gS ;k egkjktk Å¡pk gksrk gS\ vkSj jktk,¡ vusd gq, ysfdu egkjktk,¡ cgqr FkksM+s gq, gSaA ftKklq & ysfdu egkjktk cuus dk tks fu;e] ijEijk pkyw gqvk oks }kij ls gqvk gS uk\ ckck& lr;qx esa gksrs gSa egkjktk,¡ vkSj =srk esa gksrs gSa jktk,¡A fQj }kij esa gksrs gSa egkjktk,¡ vkSj jktk,¡ vkSj dfy;qx esa gksrs gSa flQZ jktk,¡ vkSj dfy;qx ds var esa tc vk;Zlekth vkrs gSa] rks ml le; egkjktk vkSj jktk ;s VkbfVy ek= jg tkrs gSaA muesa gksrk dksbZ Hkh ughaA Student: Baba, does the first one become Maharaja or Samraat (Emperor)?

Baba: Is a Raja higher or Maharaja higher? And there were many Rajas, but there were very

few Maharajas.

Student: But the rule, the tradition of becoming Maharajas has begun from Copper Age, hasn’t

it?

Baba: There are Maharajas in the Golden Age, and there are kings (Rajas) in the Silver Age.

Then there are Maharajas and Rajas in the Copper Age and in the Iron Age there are only Rajas

and at the end of the Iron Age, when the Aryasamajis come, the Maharajas and Rajas become

just titles. None of them are actually (Rajas/Maharajas). le; & 43-25 ftKklq & Ñ".k dk tUe dkjkxkj esa gksrk gS uk] mlds firk th mldks uUn ds ?kj esa j[krs gSaA ogk¡ ls dU;k dks tsy esa ysdj vkrs gSa vkSj dal mldks ekjus vk;k FkkA oks dU;k gkFk ls fudy tkrh gS vkSj cksyrh gS & ßrqEgkjk o/k djus okyk xksdqy esa tUe ys pqdk gSAÞ oks dkSu gS vkSj bldk KkuekxZ esa vFkZ D;k gS\




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ckck & dal ds dqlkcs esa lHkh ukjk;.k tSls 7 Ñ".k cPps vk x;sA vkBok¡ Ñ".k cp x;kA ,sls gh <sj lkjh dqekfj;k¡ Hkh dqlkcs esa vk x;ha vkSj ,d dqekjh cp x;hA rks tks cpus okyh dqekjh gS] ogh jk/kk gSA oks dal ds gkFk ls NwV x;hA blfy, fn[kkrs gSa & ;'kksnk ls mldk tUe gqvk vkSj Ñ".k dk tUe nsodh ls gqvkA VªkUlQj gks x;kA Time: 43.25

Student: Krishna is born in a jail, isn’t he? His father keeps him in the house of Nand (his

friend). From there, he brings a daughter to the jail and Kansa comes to kill her. That virgin slips

out of his hand and says, ‘The one who is going to kill you has already taken birth in Gokul’.

Who is she and what is its meaning in the path of worship?

Baba: All the seven Narayan-like children, Krishnas came under the control of Kansa. The

eighth Krishna was saved. Similarly, many Kumaris too came under his control and one Kumari

was saved. So, the Kumari who survived is Radha. She slipped from the hands of Kansa. That is

why it is shown that she was born from Yashoda and Krishna was born from Devaki. A transfer

(i.e.exchange) took place. le; & 45-54 ftKklq & fnu nqxuk vkSj jkr pkj xquk] bldk vFkZ D;k gS\ ckck& iq#"kkFkZ dh ckr crkbZA fnu nqxquk] jkr pkSxquk ftudk iq#"kkFkZ p<+rh dyk esa tkrk gS] oks eYVhIykbZ gksrk jgrk gSA fnu esa Hkh nqxquk iq#"kkFkZ djrs gSa vkSj jkr&jkr esa tkx djds jkr esa Hkh pkSxquk iq#"kkFkZ djrs gSaA fnu nqxquk] jkr pkSxquk ekuk eYVhfIyds'ku gksrk tkrk gSA ?kVrh dyk dh ckr gh ughaA Time: 45.54

Student: What does ‘din dugna aur raat char guna’ (progressing two folds in the day and four

folds in the night) mean?

Baba: It is about making efforts. (It is about) the ones whose efforts increase two folds in the

day and four folds at night, i.e. it keeps multiplying. They make two fold effort in the day and

they make four fold effort even at night, by remaining awake in the night. ‘Two folds in the day

and four folds at night’ means that multiplication keeps taking place. There is no question of

decreasing celestial degrees at all. le; & 46-49 ftKklq & ckck] lsok/kkjh cPpksa dks cki ;kn djrs gSaA rks ,slh dkSu&lh lsok esa cPps jgrs gSa rks cki mudks ;kn djrs gSa\ tSls Kku ysus ds ckn Hkh ckgj dh nqfu;k¡ esa dke /ka/kk djrs gSa-------- Time: 46.49

Student: Baba, the Father remembers the sevadhari children. So, what kind of a service do those

children do, so that the Father remembers them? For example do they work in the outside world

even after obtaining knowledge? ...

ckck & Kku feyus ds ckn ,d gksrk gS isV ds fy, lsok djuk vkSj ,d gksrk gS vkRek ds fy, iq#"kkFkZ djuk] lsok djukA rks tks isV ds fy, /kU/kk fd;k tkrk gS] oks rks flfer gks x;kA oks bZ'ojh; lsok esa ugha fxuk tkrkA viuh isV dh Hkh fpark u djds tks ijekFkZ ds fy, lsok dh tkrh gS] oks bZ'ojh; lsok esa fxuh tkrh gSA tSls ijekRek dks viuk jFk ugha gS] oks ijefirk ijekRek LokFkZ jfgr gks djds lsok djrk gSA ftl ru ds }kjk oks lsok gksrh gS] mldk lkjk fglkc&fdrkc mlds ru ds }kjk cu tkrk gSA ,sls gh Hkxoku cki vkdj tc crkrs gaS] rlYyh nsrs gSa fd & esjs cPpksa dks nks jksVh t+:j feysxhA nqfu;k¡ pkgs Hkw[k ejs ysfdu esjs cPps Hkw[k ugha ej ldrsA ftu cPpksa dks esjs cPps dgk] oks cki dk




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/kU/kk djus okys cPps gksaxs ;k flQZ vius isV vkSj vius ifjokj dk isV ikyus okys cPps gksaxs\ ¼lHkh us dgk & cki dk /kU/kk djus okys cPps gksaxsA ½ Baba: After obtaining knowledge, one thing is to do service for one’s stomach and another thing

is to make efforts, to do service for the soul. So, the work that is done for the stomach is in a

limited sense. That is not counted in Godly service. The service that is done for the benefit of

others without worrying even about one’s stomach is counted in Godly service. Just as the

Supreme Soul does not have his chariot; that Supreme Father Supreme Soul serves selflessly.

The karmic account of the body through which that service is performed is credited to his

account. Similarly, when God the Father comes and tells us, gives us an assurance, My children

will certainly receive two roties (to eat). Even if the world dies of hunger, My children cannot

die of hunger. Will the children whom He addressed as ‘My children’ be the children who do the

Father’s work or will they be the ones who take care of their own stomach and the stomachs of

their family members?

(Everyone said, ‘They will be the children who do the Father’s work’.)

ckck & muds fy, ;s ckr ykxw gksrh gSA ftKklq& tSls rhu lsok gksrh gSA eulk] okpk] deZ.kkA ckck& eUklk] okpk] deZ.kk & ;s rhuksa lsok ykSfdd esa Hkh gksrh gSa vkSj rhuksa lsok bZ'ojh; lsok ds vk/kkj ij Hkh gksrh gaS ysfdu tks bZ'ojh; lsok ds vk/kkj ij eUklk] okpk] deZ.kk viZ.k djrs gaS] mudks cki ;kn djrs gSaA Baba: This applies to them.

Student: For example there are three kinds of services, (service) through thoughts, through

words, through actions.

Baba: Thoughts, words and actions all these three services are done in the lokik world as well as

on the basis of Godly service. But, the Father remembers those who dedicate their thoughts,

words and actions on the basis of Godly service. le; & 49-44 ftKklq & ckck] vykSfdd lsok esa ckck us cksyk & ;kn djuk] ;s Hkh lsok gS vkSj laxBu esa tkuk ;s Hkh ,d iq#"kkFkZ gSA rks vykSfdd lsok ds vaMj esa pyk tkrk gS\ laxBu Dykl esa vkuk vkSj cki dks ;kn djuk] euu&fparu djuk & ;s Hkh rks ,d lsok esa pyk tkrk gSA ckck & ftldks lsok dk vH;kl gks tkrk gS] oks vH;klh O;fDr fcuk lsok ds ,d {k.k Hkh jg gh ugha ldrkA jkr esa lksrk gS] rks Hkh eUklk lsok djrk gS vkSj laxBu esa tkuk] oks rks lIrkg esa ,d ckj gks x;kA ckdh\ Time: 49.44

Student: Baba, Baba said about alokik service that remembrance is also a service; and attending

sangathan (gathering) is also a kind of effort. So, is it counted under alokik service? Attending

the sangathan class and remembering the Father, thinking and churning (the knowledge) even

this is counted under service.

Baba: The one who practices service, that person cannot remain without service even for a

second. Even when he sleeps in the night, he does service through his mind and as regards

attending the sangathan that happens once in a week. What about the rest of the time?

ftKklq & xhrkikB'kkyk tkukA ckck & xhrkikB'kkyk,¡ rks ekywe gSa lcdks fdrus laxBu py jgs gSaA xhrkikB'kkykvksa esa eksLVyh ns[kk tk, rks oks gh ;qxy cSBs gSa] oks Hkh irk ugha vkxs&ihNs lkbu dj nsrs gksA




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vHkh rks lc eqlyeku cu x;s] lc fØf'p;u cu x;sA lkr fnu esa ,d ckj vVsaM djuk] ;gh cM+h eqlhcr gSA Student: Going to the gitapathshala.

Baba: Everyone knows how many sangathan (classes) are being held in the gitapathshalas. It

can be seen mostly in the gitapathshalas that only that couple is sitting (for the class). It is not

sure even about them whether they sign in proper order or not (kripaya is baarey may Baba say

clarify kar lein ki voh kya kahnaa chaahtey hain). Now everyone became a Muslim, everyone

became a Christian.Even to attend (classes) once in seven days is a big problem. le; & 50-58 ftKklq & ckck] fu%ladYih LVst rc cu ldrh gS tc vius vfouk'kh ikVZ dk irk iM+ tk,A eSa vkRek dkSu&lh nsoh&nsork dk ikVZ ctkus okyh vkRek gw¡A rks dkSu&lh nsoh&nsork bldk eryc D;k\ ckck & rSarhl djksM+ nsoh&nsork,¡ gSa rks D;k >wBs gaS\ ftKklq & 33 djksM+ nsork rks fxurh esa ekywe ugha gaSA 5] 6] 8] 10 nsoh&nsork ,sls ekywe gSaA ckck& 5] 6] 7] 8 gh ekywe gSa\ Time: 50.58

Student: Baba, the thoughtless stage can be achieved when one comes to know of his

imperishable part. I, the soul am going to play the part of which deity? So, what is meant by

‘which deity’?

Baba: When there are 33 crore deities, are they false?

Student: We don’t know the numberwise 33 crore deities. We know just 5, 6, 8, 10 deities.

Baba: Do you know just 5, 6, 7, 8 deities?

ftKklq & 33 djksM+ dgk¡ ls\ ckck & xk¡o&xk¡o esa] 'kgj&'kgj esa <sjksa nsoh&norkvksa dh iwtk gksrh gS] oks ugha ekywe gS\ ftKklq & oks rks ,d gh gS] jke&Ñ".k------------A ckck & vPNk v"V nso ugha gSa\ mu v"V nsoksa ds vykok x.ks'k vkSj guqeku ugha gSa\ ftKklq & oks rks fxurh esa tks lkS gksxk-----A ckck& vPNk] lkS gks x;s ukA ,sls gh fxurh esa gt+kj Hkh gks ldrs gaSA ftKklq& dSls ckck\ ckck& dSls\ dSls dh D;k ckr gS\ ekus vkRek,¡ vyx&vyx ikVZ/kkjh ugha gSa\ Student: Where are the 33 crore?

Baba: Don’t you know the numerous deties that are worshipped in every village, every city?

Student: That is just the same ones, Ram and Krishna....

Baba: OK, are there not the eight deities? Apart from those eight deities, are there not Ganesh

and Hanuman?

Student: That may add up to about hundred.....

Baba: OK, there are hundred, aren’t there? Similarly, they could add up to thousand.

Student: How Baba?

Baba: How? Where does the matter of ‘how’ arise? Do you mean that the souls are not different

actors?

ftKklq & ukjk;.k rks vusd ukjk;.k gks ldrs gSa] vusd y{eh gks ldrh gSaA ckck & muds tks jkT;/kkjh gaS] tks muds jkT; dkss] vf/kdkj dks laHkkyus okys gaS] oks lkFkh ugha gksrs gaS\ ukjk;.k vdsyk lkjs fo'o ds jkT; dks laHkky ysxk ;k uacjokj jkT;vf/kdkjh Hkh gksaxs\




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ftKklq & jkT;vf/kdkjh Hkh gksaxsA ckck & rks oks nsoh&nsork,¡ ugha gksrs gSa\ Student: As regards Narayan, there could be many Narayans, there could be many Lakshmis.

Baba: Their officials, who take care of their kingdom, exercise their powers, are they not their

companions? Will Narayan alone look after the kingship of the entire world or will there be

numberwise officials as well?

Student; There will be officials too.

Baba: So, are they not deities?

ftKklq & ckck] bldk eryc jk{kl nsoh&nsork Hkh gksrk gS A ckck & jk{kl nsoh&nsork gksrk gS! ftKklq & dgrs & eSa ek¡ vk;k] cki vk;k ------------ ckck & fQj dgksxs jk{kl nsoh&nsork gksrk gS] fQj dgksxs & HkSalk nsoh&nsork gksrk gS] fQj ijlksa dgksxs & gkFkh nsoh&nsork gksrk gSA ;s D;k ckr gqbZ\ dhM+k&edksM+k nsoh&nsork gksrk gSA ;s dksbZ Hkk"kk gS\ ftKklq & jk{kl tSls dke djrs gSaA ckck& vjs! jk{klksa tSlk dke djsaxs] jk{klksa dk dke gS nq%[k nsuk vkSj nsorkvksa dk dke gS lq[k nsukA Student: Baba, it means that the demons are deities as well.

Baba: Is the demon a deity?

Student: They say – Mother has come (in me), Father has come (in me).....

Baba: Then you will say, the demon is a deity, then you will say buffalo is a deity, then the day

after tomorrow you will say, an elephant is a deity. What is this? The insects and the worms are

deties. Is this a language?

Student: They act like demons.

Baba: Arey, if they act like demons; the job of demons is to give sorrow and the job of deities is

to give happiness.

ftKklq & rSarhl djksM+ rks dfy;qx ykLV rd vkrs gSaA ckck& gk¡ thA nsoh&nsork lukru /keZ u"V ugha gksrk gSA dfy;qx var rd nsoh&nsork lukru /keZ dh vkRek,¡ vkrh jgrh gSaA ftKklq & ckck] bldk eryc 16108 vkRek cgqr ikojQqy gSaA ckck& tks jktifjokj esa vkus okys gSa] oks jkt;ksx lh[kus okys ugha gSa D;k\ tks jkt;ksx lh[kus okys gksaxs] oks ikojQqy vkRek,¡ ugha gksaxhs\ Student: 33 crores (deities) come till the end of the Iron Age.

Baba: Yes. The Ancient Deity Religion does not perish. The souls belonging to the Ancient

Deity Religion keep coming till the end of the Iron Age.

Student: Baba, it means that 16108 souls are very powerful.

Baba: Do those who come in the royal family not learn rajyog? Will those who learn rajyog not

be powerful souls?

ftKklq & ,d eqjyh esa lquk Fkk & tks lk<+s pkj yk[k ls Hkh 16108 tks vPNs ls i<kbZ djsaxs ekuk iaDpqvyh Dykl djsaxs] oks cgqr vPNk in ikus okys gSaA ckck& 16000 esa vPNk in ikus okys Hkh gSa vkSj fQj nkl&nkfl;ksa dk in ikus okys Hkh gSaA ljsUMj gksuk dksbZ cM+h ckr ugha gksrh gS ysfdu ljsUMj gksus ds ckn fuHkkuk & ;s cM+h ckr gksrh gSA ftKklq & blfy, gedks rSarhl djksM+ dk uke ugha irk gksrk gSA




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ckck& rSarhl djksM+ dk ftlus y{; j[kk gksxk] oks rSarhl djksM+ dh ckr djsA y{; j[kk gksxk 100 esa vkus dk] rks 100 esa euu&fparu&eaFku pysxk fd 100 e.kdksa esa gekjk e.kdk dkSu&lk gS\ y{; j[kk gksxk 8 esa vkus dk] rks 8 dk gh euu&fparu&eaFku pysxkA vOoy uacj dk y{; j[kk gksxk rks vOoy uacj dk eaFku pysxkA Student: I had heard in a Murli that the 16108 souls, who study well, i.e. attend the classes

punctually achieve a very good post as compared to the four fifty thousands.

Baba: 16000 include those who achieve good post as well as those who achieve the post of

servants and maids. Becoming ‘surrendered’ is not a big issue, but maintaining (the relationship

with the Father) even after becoming ‘surrendered’ is a big issue.

Student: That is why we don’t know the names of 33 crores.

Baba: The one who has aimed to be included among 33 crores will talk about the 33 crores. If

someone is aiming to be included among 100, then he will think and churn about 100 as to

which bead he is among the 100? If one has aimed to come in the rosary of 8, then he will think

and churn only about eight. If someone has aimed to become number one, then he will think and

churn about only number one.

ftKklq & ckck] v"Vfouk;d x.ks'k tks gksrs gSa] oks v"Vnso gh gksrs gSa uk\ ckck& jke&Ñ".k dh vkRekvksa ds fy, gh cksyk gS fd }kij;qx esa tc var gksrk gS] rks ogh vkRek,¡ guqeku vkSj x.ks'k dk :Ik /kkj.k dj ysrh gSaA ftKklq & vkB x.ks'k dks tks fn[kkrs gSa uk uacjokj ----------- ckck& tks v"V nso gSa] ogh okLro esa v"V fouk;d cu tkrs gaSA ftKklq & nqfu;k¡ esa tks brus lkjs nsoh&nsorkvksa dh iwtk gksrh gS tSls]----- y{eh&ukjk;.k] nqxkZ] ljLorh] dkfrZd] x.ks'k & ;s ua ou tks curs gSa] mudh gh iwtk gksrh gS ;k uEcj okj lc nsoh&nsorkvksa dh iwtk gksrh gS\ ckck & uEcjokj gh gksrs gSaA Student: Baba, are the eight Vinayak Ganeshas themselves the eight deities?

Baba: It has been said for the souls of Ram and Krishna that when the Copper Age ends, the

same souls assume the form of Hanuman and Ganesh.

Student: The eight Ganeshas who are shown numberwise.....

Baba: Actually the eight deities themselves become the eight Vinayaks.

Student: So many deities, who are woshipped in the world, like.....Lakshmi-Narayan, Durga,

Saraswati, Kartik, and Ganesh, are those who become number one worshipped or are all the

numberwise deities worshipped?

Baba: They are numberwise.

ftKklq & ckck] ekrk yksx fcUnh yxkrs gSa vkSj gkFk esa daxu tks igurs gSaA rks oks t+:jh gS D;k\ ckck& ftldh cqf} esa cSB x;k fd vkfRed fLFkfr dk Vhdk yxkuk gh vlyh ckr gS vkSj vkRek dh fcUnh /kkj.k djuk gh vlyh ckr gS] oks udyh dks D;ksa /kkj.k djsxk\ vxj /kkj.k djrk gS rks ;k rks yksdykt ds o'khHkwr gS] yksdykt ds cU/ku esa ckU/kk gqvk gS vkSj tks yksdykt ds cU/ku esa ckU/kk gqvk gS oks bZ'ojh; cU/ku esa ckU/kk gqvk ugha gSA Kku dk eryc gh gS HkfDr mM+ tk,A vkSj ;s Hkh cksy fn;k HkfDr dh dksbZ Hkh fu'kkuh jg tkosxh rks var esa 'kjhj NksM+uk iMs+xkA Student: Baba, mothers apply bindi (on their forehead) and wear kangan (bangles) in their

hands. Is it necessary?

Baba: The one in whose intellect it has fitted that applying the teeka (vermilion mark) of soul

conscious stage is the actual thing and applying the bindi (the dot) of soul is the reality, why will

she apply the false one? If she applies, then she is either under the compulsion of public honour

or bound in the bondage of public honour and the one who is bound by public honour is not




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bound by Godly bondage. (To have) knowledge means that the bhakti should vanish. And it was

also said that even if any indication of bhakti remains then one will have to leave the body in the

end.

ftKklq & fQj rks lkjk lekt fojks/kh cusxkA ckck& tks lekt HkLe gksus okyk gS] mldh fpUrk djuh gS ;k tks u;k lekt lkeus vkus okyk gS] mldh fpUrk djuh gS\ ftKklq & tks u;k lekt lkeus vkus okyk gS] mldh fpUrk djuh gSA ckck & fQj\ ftKklq& gekjs ekrk&dU;k,¡ ,sls gh lksprs gSa] ekrk yksx ,sls gh lksprs gSa fd & vjs! flanwj ugha yxk,¡xs rks --- ckck& oks rqEgkjk ekrk] dU;k,¡ gksxkA f'kockck dk rks ekrk] dU;k,¡ ugha gSaA Student: Then the entire society will turn against.

Baba: Should we worry about the society that is going to burn into ashes or do we have to

worry about the new society that is going to arrive?

Student: We have to worry about the new society that is going to arrive.

Baba: Then?

Student: Our mothers and virgins think like this; mothers think that if they do not apply sindoor

then.....

Baba: They must be your mothers, virgins. Shivbaba does not have the mothers and the virgins.

le; & 57-58 ftKklq & loZ lEcU/kksa esa rks ekrk&dU;k gks tk,xkA ckck & lEcU/k lkdkj esa gksrk gS ;k flQZ fujkdkj esa gksrk gS\ la ekuk lEiw.kZ vkSj la ekuk lekuA ftKklq & leku ca/kuA ckck & gk¡ thA nksuksa lkdkj esa gksaxs rHkh lEcU/k cusxkA ,d fujkdkj gks vkSj ,d lkdkj gks] lEcU/k cu gh ugha ldrkA Time: 57.58

Student: The relationship of the Mother and the virgin is included among all the relationships

(with the Father).

Baba: Are relationships formed in corporeal form or in just incorporeal form? Sam means

sampoorna (complete) and sam means samaan (equal).

Student: Samaan bandhan (equal relationship/bond).

Baba: Yes. The relationship is possible only when both are in corporeal form. If one is

incorporeal and if one is corporeal, the relationship cannot be established at all.

Lke; & 58-38 ftKklq & ckck] iztkfirk dk vkfn esa ykSfdd yM+dk&yM+dh Fkk D;k\ ckck & iztkfirk dk D;k Fkk] D;k ugha Fkk] oks rks fgLVªh esa tc [kkst dh tk;sxh] rHkh irk pysxkA ckck ,d&,d dk ikVZ crkosxk cSBds\ ckck dks ftruk crkuk gS mruk eqjyh esa crk fn;k] DykfjfQd'ku esa crk fn;kA Time: 58.38

Student: Baba, did Prajapita have a lokik son or daughter in the beginning?

Baba: What did Prajapita have and what he did not have will be known only when the research

of the history is undertaken. Will Baba sit and tell the part of each one? Whatever Baba had to

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le; & 59-15 ftKklq & 76 esa 100 lky iwjs gq, rks iztkfirk dh cht:Ik fLFkfr vk xbZ] ysfdu czg~ek ds Hkh 100 lky iwjs gq,] rks ckck dks D;ksa irk ugha pyrk\ ckck & fdldks irk ugha pyrk\ ftKklq & czg~ek ckck dksA ckck& czg~ek ckck dks irk D;ksa ugha pyrk gS\ cht:i LVst curh gS tc jkeokyh vkRek ds lalxZ&laidZ esa gS rks cht:i LVst curh gSA Time: 59.15

Student: When Prajapita completed 100 years age in 1976 he attained the seed-form stage, but

when Brahma also completed 100 years age, then why doesn’t Baba come to know of it?

Baba: Who does not come to know of it?

Student: Brahma Baba.

Baba: Why doesn’t Brahma Baba come to know of it? When he remains in the company of the

soul of Ram he attains the seed-form stage.

ftKklq & ckck eqjyh esa tks cksyk gS & 100 lky iwjs gksrs gaS rks mldh vejyksd dh ;k=k 'kq: gks tkrh gSA rks czg~ek ckck dh vejyksd dh ;k=k 'kq: ugha gqbZ\ ckck & ugha gqvk rks ,d lky vkuk can D;ksa dj fn;k\ mls D;k fn[kkbZ iM+k tks ogk¡ eksg ls ca/ku VwV x;k\ ftKklq & ysfdu vHkh Hkh rks tk jgs gaSA ckck& tk jgk gS blfy, fd tSls dksbZ cPpk gksrk gS] tUe ysus ds ckn Hkh g¡lrk gS] [ksyrk gSA mldks dksbZ g¡lkrk] f[kykrk FkksM+s gh gSA fQj Hkh oks iwoZ tUe dh Le`fr esa pyk tkrk gSA ,sls ;s Ñ".k cPpk Hkh gSA Student: Baba, it has been said in the Murli that when 100 years (of Brahma) are completed,

then his journey of the abode of immortality (amarlok) begins. So, hasn’t Brahma Baba

commenced his journey of the abode of immortality?

Baba: If it hadn’t begun, then why did he stop coming (in the body of Gulzar Dadi) for one

year? What did he see that his bondage attachment for that place ended?

Student: But he is still going.

Baba: He is going because just as there is a child, even after he takes birth he smiles, plays.

Nobody makes him smile or play. Even then he recollects the thoughts of the past birth. This

child Krishna is also like that.

ftKklq & ckck] cksyk gS fd NksVh eEeh dks lpZ ykbV nsrs gSaA vkokgu djuk ekuk lpZ ykbV nsuk] NksVh EkEeh dksA vkokgu djukA ,d okrkZyki esa lquk & mldks lpZ ykbV nsukA vkokgu djuk ekuk lpZ ykbV nsuk ------------ ckck & lpZ ykbV nsuk gS & ßns nku rks NwVs xzg.kÞA oks lpZ ykbV nsus dh ckr gSA oks nku fdldks nsuk gS\ lw;Z dks nsuk gS ;k pUnzek dks nsuk gS\ oks rks pUnzek dks nku nsus okyhs ckr gSA ckdh vkokgu djuk ,d vyx ckr gSA nku mldks fn;k tkrk gS tks detksj gksrk gS vkSj vkokgu detksj dk fd;k tkrk gS ;k ikojQqy dk fd;k tkrk gS\ ikojQqy dk vkokgu fd;k tkrk gSA I;ksfjVh dh ikoj esa tks tUe&tUekUrj dk ikojQqy gS] mldk vkOkkgu djuk gS vkSj tks ekrkvksa esa lcls cM+hs ekrk gS] vk[k+jh tUe esa detksj gks xbZ gS] mldks lpZ ykbV dk nku nsuk gSA fdlh us dgk & txnEckA




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Student: Baba, it has been said that search light is given to the junior mother. Summoning

means giving searchlight to the junior mother. Summoning (her). I have heard in a discussion

(CD) that we should give her searchlight. Summoning (her) means giving search light.....

Baba: Search light is to be given. ‘Dey daan toh chootey grahan’ (if someone gives donations,

he can overcome the bad influence lunar eclipse). It is a matter of giving searchlight. Who

should be given that donation? Is it supposed to be given to the Sun or to the Moon? It is a

matter of giving donations to the Moon. As regards summoning, it is a different matter.

Donation is given to a person who is weak; and is a weak one summoned or a powerful one

summoned? A powerful one is summoned. We have to summon the one who is powerful in the

power of purity since many births and the donation of searchlight is to be given to the

seniormost mother among all the mothers, who has become weak in the last birth.

ftKklq & vkokgu djuk ekuk D;k\ dSls vkokgu djuk gS\ fdl izdkj ls\ ckck& xqytkj nknh esa czg~ek ckck dks dSls vOkkgu dj ysrs gSa\ ftKklq & ekywe ughaA ckck& ekywe ugha\ D;ksa\ ch-ds ugha cus\ ftKklq & ughaA ckck & MkbjSDV vk x;s\ ftKklq & MkbjSDV vk x;sA ckck & fiNys tUe esa cus gksaxsA dksbZ Hkh vkRek dks] tSls fd czkg~e.kksa esa vkRek cqykbZ tkrh Fkh] rks vkokgu djrs Fks fd ugha djrs Fks\ ftKklq & oks flQZ vkokgu djrs FksA ckck & gk¡] rks ,sls gh ;gk¡ Hkh vkokgu djuk gSA Student: What is meant by ‘summoning’? How should we summon? In which manner?

Baba: How do they summon Brahma Baba in the body of Dadi Gulzar?

Student: I don’t know.

Baba: Don’t you know? Why? Did you not become a BK (earlier)?

Student: No.

Baba: Did you come directly?

Student: I came directly.

Baba: You might have become (a BK) in the past birth. Whichever soul it may be; for example

souls used to be recalled in the (bodies of the worldly) Brahmins; so, did they used to summon

or not?

Student: They used to just summon.

Baba: Yes, so similarly, we have to summon here as well.

le; & 01%02%18 ftKklq & ckck] lSdM+kas dk eryc D;k gS\ ckck& lSdM+ksaA tSls gt+kjksaA gtkjksa dk eryc gS ,d ds Åij rhu fcUnh rks ,d gt+kjA nks ds Åij rhu fcUnh rks nks gt+kjA ,sls gh lSdM+ksa] lSdM+ksa dk eryc 9 ds Åij nks fcUnh rks lSdM+kas gks x;kA 9 lSdM+kA Time: 01.02.18

Student: Baba, what does ‘sainkaron’ mean?

Baba: Saikaron. Like thousands. ‘Thousands’ means that - if you add three zeroes after one,

then it becomes one thousand. If you add three zeroes to two, it becomes two thousand.

Similarly, sainkaron means if you add two zeroes to 9, it becomes sainkaron. 9 sainkra (9

thousands).




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le; & 01%03%10 ftKklq & ckck] 76 esa dqekjksa dk pkj xzqi ftUgksaus cki dks lg;ksx fn;k ] oks Qsy gks x;kA rhu vfu'p; gks x;k] Qsy gks x;k( ysfdu ckck ;s pkj dqekj tks crkrs gSa rks mlesa ls ,d rks gqvk lur dqekjA oks rks jke] oks rks Qsy ugha gqvkA blfy, ckck us cksyk & ykLV esa] vkfn esa tSls dqekj yksx /kks[kk fn, oSls var esa Hkh /kks[kk nsaxsA ysfdu tks jke ds xzqi esa gksxk] oks rks /kks[kk ugha nsaxsA Time: 01.03.10

Student: Baba, the group of four kumars who helped the Father in 1976 failed. Three of them

lost faith, failed, but Baba, among these four kumars which are mentioned, one is Sanat Kumar.

He is (the soul of) Ram, he did not fail. That is why Baba has said – In the last, just as Kumars

duped (Baba) in the beginning; similarly, they will dupe even in the end. But the one who is in

Ram’s group would not dupe.

ckck& fdldks /kks[kk nsxk\ ftKklq & vkfn esa cki dks /kks[kk fn;k uk] 76 esaA ckck& ml le; iwjk Kku ugha Fkk blfy, /kks[kk gks x;kA vkSj vHkh rks jke dh vkRek dks iwjk Kku gS ;k v/kwjk Kku gS\ ftKklq & 76 esa jke rks vfu'p; ugha gqvk uk] ysfdu oks rhu dqekj vfu’p; gks x,A ckck & tks vejukFk dk ikVZ gS] oks ejus okyk ikVZ gksxk ;k vejukFk dk ikVZ gksxk\ ftKklq& vejukFkA ckck& rks fQj vfu'p; dgk¡ ls vk tk;sxk\ ftKklq & ugha] ughaA vkius cksyk gS & tks vkfn lks varA Baba: Whom will he dupe?

Student: He duped the Father in the beginning, in 1976, did he not?

Baba: At that time there wasn’t complete knowledge; that is why he got duped. And now, does

the soul of Ram have complete knowledge or incomplete knowledge?

Student: Ram did not lose faith in 1976, but those three Kumars lost faith.

Baba: Will the part of Amarnath (Lord of immortality) be a part of someone who dies or will it

be a part of Amarnath?

Student: Amarnath.

Baba: So, then how will he lose faith?

Student: No, no. You said – “adi so ant” -whatever happens in the beginning happens in the

end.

ckck& vkfn lks var dk eryc D;k gqvk\ ftKklq & vkfn 76 esa tks lg;ksx fn;k-------- ckck & 76 esa tks lg;ksx fn;k] ftu vkRekvksa us vkSj FkksM+s le; lg;ksx ns djds fQj mYVs gks x;s] rks ,sls gh var esa Hkh fQj lg;ksxh cusaxs] oks gh vkRek,¡A vkSj lg;ksxh cu djds fQj fojks/kh cu tk;saxsA ftKklq & fQj fojks/kh cu tk;saxs\ ckck & ugha rks nqfu;k¡ dk fouk'k dSls gksxk\ ftKklq & 2018 ds ckn\ ckck & tc LFkkiuk gksxh rc fouk’k Hkh gksxkA ftruk&ftruk LFkkiuk gksrh tkosxh] mruk&mruk fouk’k gksrk tkosxkA VksVy LFkkiuk gks tkosxh rks VksVy fouk’k Hkh gks tkosxkA




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Baba: What does ‘as the beginning, so the end’ mean?

Student: Those who helped in the beginning, i.e. in 1976....

Baba: Those who helped in 1976, the souls who helped for a short period and then became

opponents, so similarly they, the same souls will become helpers in the end. And after becoming

helpers they would become opponents once again.

Student: Will they become opponents once again?

Baba: Otherwise, how will the world become destroyed?

Student: After 2018?

Baba: When establishment takes place, then destruction will also take place. The more

establishment takes place, the more destruction will take place. When the total establishment

takes place, then the total destruction will also take place.

ftKklq & 2018 esa fouk’k ‘kq: gks tk;sxk\ ckck & LFkwy esa LFkkiuk gks tk;sxh rks LFkwy esa fouk’k ugha gksxk\ gksxk ;k ugha gksxk\ ftKklq & gksxkA ckck & gksxkA Student: Will destruction begin in 2018?

Baba: When the physical establishment takes place, then will physical destruction not take

place? Will it happen or not?

Student: It will take place.

Baba: It will take place. le; & 01-10-58 ftKklq & ckck] xksiky dUgS;k dgk tkrk gSA vHkh tks ubZ nqfu;k¡ esa ikyuk ys jgs gSa oks lc ekrk&dU;k,¡ gh gSaA ckck & ekuk HkkbZ yksx ugha gSa\ ftKklq & xksiky dUgS;k dgk tkrk gSA rks HkkbZ yksx dgk¡ ls vk tk,¡xs ckck\ ckck & gk¡] rks xÅ,W¡ cudj jgsa ukA cSyiuk D;ksa cqf) esa vkrk gS\ ftKklq & ysfdu ckck] tks ckck ds vykok ,u-,l-esa HkkbZ yksx Hkh jgrs gSa---------------- ckck & HkkbZ yksx jgrs gSa] rks oks gh HkkbZ yksx jg ldsaxs ftuesa cSyiuk u vkosA vxj cSyiuk vkosxk rks daMeA Time: 01.10.58

Student: Baba, it is said ‘Gopal Kanhaiyya’. Well, those who are obtaining sustenance in the

new world are all mothers and virgins only.

Baba: Does it mean that brothers are not included?

Student: It is said ‘Gopal Kanhaiyya’. So, how would brothers be included Baba?

Baba: Yes, so, they should remain as cows, should they not? Why does bull-ness enter the

intellect?

Student: But Baba, apart from Baba, the brothers who are living in NS....

Baba: Brothers reside (in NS); so only those brothers would be able to reside who do not have

the nature of a bull. If the nature of a bull enters in them, then they become condemned. ftKklq & ckck] xksi&xksih dgrs gaS ukA xksi ekuk ge HkkbZ gaS uk\ ckck & gk¡A ftKklq & xksih ekuk ekrk&dU;k,¡\ ckck & Bhd gSA ftKklq & xksiksa dks Hkh Hkxk;k rks xksfi;ksa dks Hkh Hkxk;kA




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Student: Baba, it is said – Gop-Gopi, isn’t it? Gop means we brothers, isn’t it?

Baba: Yes.

Student: Does gopi means mothers and virgins?

Baba: It is ok.

Student: He made the gop as well as the gopis to run away/elope (with him).

ckck & xksiksa dks Hkxk;k\ oks rks Kku ds ihNs HkkxsA xksiksa dks Hkkxus dh D;k njdkj\ ?kj&x`gLFk esa jgdj ds iq#”kkFkZ ugha dj ldrs\ xksfi;ksa dks rks Hkkxus dh blfy, njdkj gS fd vkt fd nqfu;k¡ esa L=h tkfr dks laj{k.k ugha feyrkA L=h tkfr tks gS] oks vlqjf{kr gS gj txgA lkjh nqfu;k¡ esa ftrus Hkh iq#”k ek= gSa] lc nq;ksZ/ku&nq%’kklu gSaA blfy, L=h tkfr vlqjf{kr gSA rks mudks rks Hkkxus dh njdkj gSA ckdh cSyksa dks Hkkxus dh D;k njdkj\ Baba: Did he make the Gopes to run away/ elope? They ran after the knowledge. What is the

need to make the gopes to run away/elope? Can’t they make efforts while living in a household?

There is a need to make the gopis to run away because in today’s world women do not get

protection. Women are vulnerable everywhere. All the men in the entire world are Duryodhans

and Dushasans. That is why women are vulnerable. So, there is a need to make them run away.

But where is the need to make the bulls to run away?

ftKklq & ckck] ;s Hkxkuk tks gS --------A ckck & oks cqf) ls HkkxsA ftKklq & eu&cqf) ls Hkkxrs gSaA ckck & gk¡ thA Student: Baba, making someone run away...

Baba: They ran through their intellect.

Student: They run through the mind and intellect.

Baba: Yes. ……………………………………………………………………………

Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the

translator for better understanding of the translation.

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