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C M Y K
qaosi da SiSi evropis SuagulSi
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21–e saukunis safrangeTis
respublikaSi 2015 wlis 13 no-
emberi yvelaze sisxliani fur-
celia. teroristTa dagegmili
Tavdasxmebis Sedegad parizSi
130–ze meti adamiani daiRupa.
xelisuflebam qveynis masSta-
biT sagangebo mdgomareoba ga-
moacxada da sazRvrebi Caketa.
msoflio liderebi TanagrZ-
nobas ucxadeben frang xalxs
da gamoTqvamen mzadyofnas, gaaZ-
lieron Zalisxmeva saerTaSori-
so terorizmTan sabrZolve-
lad. mTavroba aZlierebs Tavi-
si saelCoebis usafrTxoebis
zomebs da mouwodebs Tavis mo-
qalaqeebs, Tavi Seikavon saf-
rangeTSi gadaadgilebisgan an
saerTod ar gamovidnen parizis
quCebSi. frangi Zalovanebi
cdiloben cocxlad darCenili
„boevikebis“ daWeras. masmedia
varaudebs gamoTqvams imis Sesa-
xeb, Tu vin aris teraqtebis
organizatori.
yvelaferi es, saubedurod,
ukve iyo, da Tan – araerTxel:
9/11 tragedia amerikaSi, 2004
wlis 11 martis afeTqeba mad-
ridSi, 2005 wlis ivlisis te-
roristTa Seteva londonSi...
TviTon safrangeTSi,imave
parizSi, welic ar gasula, rac
teroristma–Zmebma said da Se-
rif kuaSebma satiruli Jurna-
lis Charlie Hebdo–s redaqci-aSi 12 adamiani Cacxriles,
ori dRis Semdeg ki maTma Ta-
namzraxvelma amedi kulibanma
qaSeruli sursaTis maRaziaSi
aiyvana mZevlebi da oTxi maTga-
ni mokla. gavrcelda informa-
cia, rom Jurnalis redaqciaSi
mowyobili xocva-Jletis orga-
nizatorma, „al-qaidas“ tero-
ristTa jgufis liderma brZa-
neba gasca, „daesajaT urjulo-
ebi“ winaswarmetyvel muhamedze
gamoqveynebuli karikaturebis
gamo.
daRupulTa xsovnisadmi
miZRvnil erTianobis mdumare
marSSi milionamde adamiani mo-
nawileobda, maT Soris – evro-
puli saxelmwifoebis liderTa
umetesoba.
radikalurma islamistebma
araerTxel mosTxoves safran-
geTs, „Sewyvitos agresia mu-
sulmanTa winaaRmdeg“, Tu ara-
da, axali teraqtebiT imuqre-
bodnen. safrangeTi im koalici-
is wevria, romelsac islamuri
saxelmwifos poziciebze ieri-
Si miaqvs da am koalicias ame-
rikis SeerTebuli Statebi
Tavmjdomareobs. 30 seqtembers
safrangeTis samxedro–sahaero
Zalebma, romlebic mxolod
erayis teritoriaze moqmedebd-
nen, daiwyes siriel islamist-
Ta dabombva.
britanuli mediasaSualebe-
bi weren, rom parizSi mowyobi-
li teraqti SesaZloa iyos eq-
stremistTa pasuxi jihadi jo-
nis – „islamuri saxelmwifos“
mTavari jalaTis daRupvaze.
oriode dRis win pentagonis
pres–mdivanma ganacxada, rom
jihadi joni (britaneTis moqa-
laqe mohamed emvazi) „99 pro-
centis albaTobiT“ moklulia
„islamuri saxelmwifos“ pozi-
ciebze amerikis samxedro-sahae-
ro Zalebis Tavdasxmis Sedegad.
„islamurma saxelmwifom“
ukve ikisra pasuxismgebloba pa-
rizSi momxdar teraqtebze da
maT „siriis gamo ganxorciele-
buli vendeta“ uwoda. Tumca
terorizmTan brZolis zogier-
Ti specialistis SefasebiT,
SemsrulebelTa koordinaciis
done ufro metad „al–qaidaze“
mianiSnebs.
nebismier SemTxvevaSi sagan-
gaSoa is, rom parizis centrSi
srola da mZevlad ayvana gan-
xorcielda usafrTxoebis gaZ-
lierebul pirobebSi. 30 noem-
bers parizSi iwyeba gaeros
klimaturi samiti, romlis mza-
debasTan dakavSirebiT dawesda
droebiTi sasazRvro kontro-
li. Sengenis SeTanxmebis qveyne-
bisTvis es aris Cveulebrivi
praqtika didi saerTaSoriso
RonisZiebebis win. es imas un-
da niSnavdes, rom teroristeb-
ma, savaraudod, qveyanaSi winas-
war SeaRwies.
oqtomberSi, migraciuli
krizisis pikis dros, ismoda
gafrTxileba, rom siriidan,
libiidan da erayidan devnilTa
nakadis meSveobiT evropuli sa-
xelmwifoebis teritoriaze Se-
aRwia „islamuri saxelmwifos“
oTxi aTasamde „boevikma“, rom-
lebsac nebismier dros SeuZli-
aT daSinebis aqciebis wamowye-
ba.
amerikuli sadazvervo–ana-
litikuri kompania StratforaRniSnavs, rom evropis SigniT
teroristuli Setevebis mudmi-
vi safrTxe arsebobs. da axla
mniSvnelovania ganisazRvros,
parizuli teraqtebi „Sinauria“
Tu Tavdamsxmelebi ucxoeTSi
arian gawvrTnilni da daxmare-
basac sazRvargareTidan iRebd-
nen. rogoric ar unda iyos pa-
suxi am SekiTxvaze, aSkaraa: ev-
ropaSi simSvide ver daisadgu-
rebs.
13 noembris saSineli Ramis
Semdeg gaCnda axali termini
„home grown terrorist“, rome-
lic axali realobis maCvenebe-
lia: teroristebi ukve qveyana-
Si mudmivad mcxovrebTa da iq
dabadebulTa Soris gamozar-
des.
es omia
yvela frangulma mediasaSu-
alebam pirveli gverdi pari-
zul teraqts dauTmo. bevri
maTgani momxdars safrangeTisT-
vis gamocxadebul omad afasebs.
Le Figaro: „omi parizis
centrSi“...
Le Parisien: „es omia“...
mmmmssssoooofffflllliiiioooo pppprrrreeeessssiiiissss mmmmiiiixxxxeeeeddddvvvviiiiTTTT
qaosi, sikvdili da
SiSi evropis SuagulSiparizi wels meored gaxda
teroristTa samizne
`̀ssaaeerrTToo ggaazzeeTTiiss~~ ggaannccxxaaddeebbaa
irine gogosaSvilis werilSi `totaluri seqta, saxe-
lad `nacmoZraoba~ da `wminda mixeilis~ mowmeebi~ (`saer-
To gazeTi~ #33, 2015 weli) teqnikuri mizezebis gamo
moxda dasanani Secdoma _ teqstidan amovarda batoni di-
mitri moniavas gvar-ssaxeli, romelic gaxlavT avtori we-
rilSi CamoTvlili im 13 punqtisa, romelTa mixedviTac
`nacionaluri moZraoba~ SeiZleba totalur seqtad CavT-
valoT.
redaqcia wuxils gamoTqvams, rom uneblied darRveuli
iqna batoni dimitri moniavas saavtoro ufleba da bodiSs
uxdis mas momxdaris gamo.
`saerTo gazeTi~
3#36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w. saerTo gazeTi
yvela gamocema mouwodebs
qveynis mosaxleobas gaerTiane-
bisa da erTiani frontiT te-
rorizmis winaaRmdeg brZolis-
ken.
Liberation: „teroristTa
barbarosobam gadaabija isto-
riul zRvars. SeuZlebelia es
sisxliani movlenebi ar daukav-
Siro axlo aRmosavleTis sabr-
Zolo moqmedebebs. safrangeTi
iq mimdinare procesSi Tavis
rols asrulebs. da saxelmwi-
fom uyoymanod unda gaagrZe-
los es misia“.
omis terminebs iyeneben sx-
vadasxva qveynis politikosebi,
romelTa SefasebebiTac parizSi
momxdari movlenebi „yvelaze
namdvili, masStaburi teroris-
tuli omia“, rom „teroriste-
bi aCveneben TavianT Zalas, uf-
ro sworad – TavianT siZlie-
res, da es muqara sul ufro
realuri xdeba evropis qveyne-
bisTvis, da ara marto maTTvis
– mezoblad mdebare saxelmwi-
foebisTvisac. saswrafod misa-
Rebia eqstraordinaruli zome-
bi“, „Semodgomis migraciuli
krizisi iyo „absoluturi saf-
rTxe“ da „evropuli saxelmwi-
foebis Cumi dapyroba“, rac gan-
xorcielda ltolvilTa naka-
debis gadaadgilebiTa da maT
safarqveS.
aris aseTi moTxovnac – un-
da Seiqmnas terorizmTan
brZolis erTiani saerTaSoriso
centri gaeros usafrTxoebis
sabWos egidiT da am centrSi
unda gaerTiandes iseTi saxel-
mwifoebic ki, romlebsac urTi-
erTpretenziebi gaaCniaT. gverd-
ze unda gadaidos yvelanairi
wyena, radgan terorizmi civi-
lizebuli qveynebis winaaRmdeg
sabrZolo moqmedebebSi gadai-
zarda.
vidre siriaSi omi
mimdinareobs, yvelani
safrTxeSi varT
parizSi momxdari teraqte-
bis bevri detali jerjerobiT
ucnobia, magram misi SemkveTi
cnobilia – es aris teroris-
tuli dajgufeba „islamuri sa-
xelmwifo“. safrangeTma da sxva
qveynebma - siriis konfliqtSi
monawile saxelmwifoebma ar
unda daiviwyon ruseTis gamoc-
dileba, romelic Seejaxa te-
rorizmis amgvar saxesxvaobas:
teraqtebi ar Sewydeba, vidre
misi epicentri ar ganadgurde-
ba.
safrangeTis prezident fr-
ansua olandis gancxadebiT, es
Seteva „omis aqtia“, romelsac
jihadistebis „armia“ axorcie-
lebs. garkveuli TvalsazrisiT,
es simarTlea, miT umetes Tu
gairkveva, rom zogierT Tavdam-
sxmels ar gauvlia specialuri
momzadeba an isini safrangeTis
moqalaqeebi iyvnen (am movlene-
bis mowmeebi, romlebmac daina-
xes sakoncerto darbaz „batak-
lanSi“ Tavdamsxmelebi, amtki-
ceben, rom isini frangulad
sruliad uaqcentod lapara-
kobdnen).
TavdamsxmelTagan zogierTma
Tavi aifeTqa, sxvebma erTdrou-
lad gaxsnes cecxli „batakla-
nis“ darbazSi da xalxmraval
kafeSi. am sinqronulma Setevam
gaaZliera teraqtebis efeqti.
am sqemebs kargad icnobs ruse-
Tis mosaxleoba.
gavixsenoT: 2004 wels ru-
seTi SeZra teraqtebis seriam.
ruseTis specsamsaxurebsa da
separatist meamboxeebs Soris
eqvswliani CeCneTis omis Sem-
deg, 2004 wlis TebervalSi
jer moskovis metroSi, mere iv-
nisSi samaris xalxmraval ba-
zarSi, xolo maleve inguSeTis
samarTaldamcav organoebze
Tavdasxmis Sedegad aseulobiT
adamiani daiRupa da dazianda.
seqtemberSi CrdiloeT oseTis
qalaq beslanSi CeCenTa bandam 1
128 mZevali aiyvana. 334 adami-
ani, maT Soris 186 bavSvi dai-
Rupa. mokles agreTve 31 tero-
risti.
im saSineli drois Semdeg
ruseTSi kidev moxda ramdenime
teraqti, magram msgavsi seria
aRar ganmeorebula. 2005 wels
prezidentma vladimir putinma
2004 wels teraqtis dros da-
Rupuli gavleniani religiuri
moRvawis ahmad kadirovis vaJi
SearCia, rom mas CeCneTi puti-
nis saxeliT emarTa. ramzan ka-
dirovs, romelic maSin 29
wlisa iyo, surda Suri eZia ma-
mis sikvdilis gamo, da radga-
nac kadirovebi odesRac TviTo-
nac separatistebi iyvnen, ram-
zans saukeTeso agentura hyavda
omisgan gapartaxebul region-
Si.
putinma kadirovi guluxvad
daafinansa, agreTve miiRo uf-
leba, ugulebelyo federaluri
kanonebi da gaenadgurebina yve-
la, visac is mtrad miiCnevda.
kadirovs sami weli dasWirda,
rom omi daemTavrebina da SeT-
qmulebebi ruseTis qalaqebSi
teraqtebis mosaxdenad uazro
gaxada. es iyo sastiki, umowya-
lo kampania. 2004 wels Ziri-
Tadi omi mimdinareobda CeCne-
Tis mTebSi, da moskovsa Tu
sxva mSvidobian qalaqebSi te-
raqtebi iyo saSualeba, romli-
Tac islamisti meamboxeebi ub-
ralo moqalaqeebSi SiSs ner-
gavdnen da amiT mTavrobas am
omis fass uzrdidnen.
SesaZloa, parizeli tero-
ristebic imave motivebiT xel-
mZRvanelobdnen. axla ZiriTadi
omi mimdinareobs siriaSi. pa-
rizSi, agreTve beiruTSi 11 da
13 noembris teraqtebze pasu-
xismgebloba ikisra „islamurma
saxelmwifom“. axla yvelaze
damajerebelia versia imis Sesa-
xeb, rom oqtomberSi egviptis
Tavze ruseTis TviTmfrinavi
swored „islamuri saxelmwi-
fos“ „boevikebma“ aafeTqes Su-
risZiebis mizniT – siriaSi ru-
seTis mier dabombviTi kampaniis
gamo. am afeTqebam 224 adamianis
sicocxle Seiwira.
axla am dajgufebam, ro-
gorc Cans, Suri iZia frangeb-
ze, romlebmac gaafarToes „is-
lamuri saxelmwifos“ winaaRm-
deg mimarTuli TavianTi avia-
dartymebis sazRvari. 5 noem-
bers safrangeTma ganacxada,
rom gzavnis Tavis aviamzids
xmelTaSuazRvaSi, raTa mxari
dauWiros kampanias. CeCeni te-
roristebis msgavsad, „islamu-
ri saxelmwifos“ teroristebi
cdiloben maT winaaRmdeg war-
moebuli samxedro moqmedebebi
metismetad zaraliani iyos am
kampaniis saxelmwifoebisTvis.
parizSi momxdari teraqtis
Semdeg safrangeTma gaaZliera
SidausafrTxoebis zomebi, an-
titeroristuli struqture-
bis TanamSromelTa raodenoba
2500-iT gazarda, dazvervis
samsaxurebi gamudmebiT Tvals
adevneben im 1500 „boeviks“,
romlebic siriasa da eraySi
jihadistebis mxareze ibrZod-
nen, axla ki gaCnda sia 11-aTa-
siani adamianisa, romlebsac yve-
laze radikal islamistebad mi-
iCneven.
masStaburi da mudmivi meT-
valyureobis barierebi mcirde-
ba. axali kanoni TvalTvalis
Sesaxeb, romelic Charlie–zeTavdasxmis Semdeg miiRes, pre-
mier–ministrs uflebas aZlevs
gasces nebarTva realur droSi
eleqtronuli komunikaciis mo-
nitoringisTvis, fizikuri
TvalTvalisa da saxlebis mos-
mena teroristuli safrTxeebis
asacileblad - sasamarTlos
Sesabamisi gadawyvetilebis ga-
reSec.
safrangeTi TiTqmis aRar
Rebulobs siriel ltolvi-
lebs, riTac Tavis specsamsaxu-
rebs Tavidan aarida aseulobiT
aTasi adamianis Semowmeba te-
roristul dajgufebebTan Se-
saZlo kavSiris dasazusteb-
lad.
verc erTi zoma ver aRkveTs
axal teraqtebs – iseve ro-
gorc ver SeaCeres 2004 wlis
saSineleba putinis mZlavrma
samarTaldamcavma organoebma,
romlebsac aranairi angariSgeba
ar evalebodaT. maTac hqondaT
eWvmitanilTa siebi da TvalT-
valisa da mosmenis praqtiku-
lad usazRvro uflebamosile-
bebi. xandaxan isini axerxebdnen
ramdenime nabijiT daeswroT
teroristebisTvis, magram ase-
Ti Zalisxmevis Sedegi veraso-
des iqneba asprocentiani. isla-
mistebis dajgufebebi marjved
imxroben axal rekrutebs, xo-
lo teraqtis organizebas didi
dro ar sWirdeba.
putini imitomac SeiWra si-
riaSi, rom kargad axsovs CeCne-
Ti da imitomac, rom mis wina-
aRmdeg mebrZoli aTasobiT te-
roristi axla „islamuri sa-
xelmwifosa“ da „al–qaidas“
siriuli ganStoebis – „an–nus-
ris“ rigebSi ibrZvian. es xal-
xi SemZlea, udidesi safrTxe
Seuqmnas msoflios nebismier
qveyanas.
putini zustad ise iqceva
siriaSi, rogorc CeCneTSi moq-
medebda: exmareba umowyalo ad-
gilobriv lider baSar
al–asads, rom omiT gausworos
angariSi yvelas, vinc iaraRs
hkidebs xels, vinc ar unda
iyos igi: islamisti, teroris-
ti Tu separatisti.
safrangeTi da sxva qveynebi,
romlebic amerikul koalicia-
Si Sedian, axla teroristTa
potenciuri samizneebi arian.
maT unda gadawyviton, mzad
arian Tu ara gamoiyenon tero-
rizmTan brZolis putiniseuli
meTodi. es meTodi sakmaod Se-
degiani aRmoCnda CeCneTSi, mag-
ram ramdenad efeqtiani iqneba
siriaSi, gaurkvevelia. naTelia
erTi ram: vidre ar daregulir-
deba konfliqti siriaSi, vidre
ar ganadgurdeba misi epicent-
ri, anu „islamuri saxelmwi-
fo“, verc erTi qveyana ver ig-
rZnobs Tavs usafrTxod, ver
iqneba darwmunebuli, rom mis
teritoriaze ar moxdeba iseTi
teraqti, rogoric 13 noembris
Rames parizSi moxda.
4 saerTo gazeTi #36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w.
`rusTavi-22~-ss, nacmoZraobas
da maT mxardamWerebs pretenzia
aqvT, rom es televizia Tavisu-
fal sityvas, xalxs emsaxureba,
rac sruli sicruea. `rusTavi-
2~ arasdros yofila qveynis da
qarTveli xalxis interesebis
gamomxatveli, yovelTvis viwro
partiuli interesebis msaxuri
iyo, ar SeiZleba am telekompa-
niis da nacmoZraobis calcalke
ganxilva, es erTi mTliani or-
ganizmi, jer kidev im droidan,
roca nacionalebs e.w. axalgaz-
rda reformatorebi erqvaT da
rac yvelaze mTavaria isini oke-
anigaRma dawerili scenaris mi-
xedviT moqmedeben~, acxadebs ga-
mocdili policieli, profesi-
iT ekonomisti, policiis vice-
polkovniki daviT gagniZe.ra argumentebi aZlevs Cvens
respodents amis Tqmis safuZ-
vels, Tavad mas movusminoT.
daviT gagniZe: `xsenebu-
li telekompania 1994 wlis 1
ivniss qalaq rusTavSi dafuZn-
da, damfuZneblebi erosi kiwma-
riSvili, daviT dvali, jarji
aqimiZe da nikoloz tabataZe iy-
vnen, xolo generaluri direq-
tori Tavidan giorgi gegeSiZe
gaxldaT. televizia 1995 wels
licenziis arqonis gamo daixu-
ra, Tumca 1996 wlidan ganaax-
la telemauwyebloba, oRond
TbilisSi, magram isev licenzi-
is uqonlobis gamo funqcioni-
reba Sewyvita. araerTi sasamar-
Tlo davis Semdeg telekompani-
am kvlav ganaaxla muSaoba. es
swored is periodia, roca po-
litikur sarbielze e.w. axal-
gazrda reformatorebi wamo-
tivtivdnen. 1998 wels `rusTa-
vi-2~ popularobis mxriv pirve-
li adgils ikavebda (ise maSin
am telekompaniasa da sazogado-
ebriv mauwyebels garda, sxva
televiziebi faqtobrivad arc
arsebobda - m.s.) 2000 wlis 18
dekembers pankisis xeobaSi Ce-
Cenma `boevikebma~ televiziis
gadamRebi jgufi im motiviT ga-
itaca, rom TiTqos isini ruse-
Tis specsamsaxuris agentebi iy-
vnen, Tumca erTi dRe-Ramis Sem-
deg isini gaaTavisufles. me da-
zustebiT ver getyviT, ramdenad
safuZvliani iyo CeCnebis eWvi,
albaT hqondaT raRac mizezi,
radgan saqarTvelos miwaze ama-
ve qveynis televiziis Jurna-
listebis mimarT aseTi qmedeba
gabedes. eWvs isic badebs, rom
gatacebulebi maleve gaaTavi-
sufles. aqve isic minda giTx-
raT, rom 80-iani wlebis miwu-
ruls rusulma specsamsaxureb-
ma yvelaze meti agentura saqar-
TveloSi datoves, maTi ricxvi
ramdenime aseul aTass utolde-
boda. es agentura ZiriTadad
masmediasa da dargobrivi ekono-
mikis sferoebSi iyo Canergili.
2001 wlis 6 marts saqarTve-
los uSiSroebis saministrom
uaryo `rusTavi-2~-is mier ori
dRiT adre gavrcelebuli in-
formacia, rom es uwyeba CeCen
`boevikebs~ xels uwyobda. ram-
denime TveSi mokles `Ramis ku-
rieris~ wamyvani, popularuli
Jurnalisti giorgi sanaia. mar-
Talia, mogvianebiT daakaves
mkvleli (grigol xurcilava),
gaasamarTles da mkacri ganaCe-
nic gamoutanes, magram darwmu-
nebuli var mas ar mouklavs. am
saqmesTan uSualo Sexeba mqon-
da, rogorc organizebuli dana-
Saulis winaaRmdeg brZolis
samsaxuris warmomadgenels,
xurcilavasac araerTxel Sevx-
vedrivar da merwmuneT, misi
saqcieli namdvilad ar tovebda
mkvlelis STabeWdilebas. vfiq-
rob, safuZvels ar aris mokle-
buli is versia, rac im period-
Si vrceldeboda, rom `mkvlel-
ma~ garkveuli gasamrjelos fa-
sad sakuTar Tavze aiRo es da-
naSauli. ramdenadac vici, xur-
cilava ramdenime wlis win gaa-
Tavisufles. ase
rom, realuri
mkvleli dRemde ar
daukavebiaT. vin mok-
la giorgi sanaia da
ratom, amaze mxo-
lod varaudebi SeiZ-
leba arsebobdes.
arc imis gamoricxva
SeiZleba, rom sanaia,
Tavad misma saaxlob-
lo wrem moiSora,
Tundac televiziis
reitingis gasazrde-
lad. Cemi azriT, gi-
orgi sanaias mkvle-
loba eduard Sevardna-
Zis imijis Selaxvas em-
saxureboda, iseve, ro-
gorc im periodSi gax-
Sirebuli adamianebis
gatacebebi, maT Soris
ucxoelebis. 2001 wlis
30 oqtombers uSiSro-
ebis saministro Seeca-
da telekompaniaSi Se-
suliyo dokumentaciis
Semowmebis mizniT, Tum-
ca yvelas kargad ax-
sovs, rogorc damTavr-
da es yvelaferi. es
faqtic ostaturad ga-
moiyenes SevardnaZis xe-
lisuflebis diskredi-
taciisTvis. am ambidan
erTi Tvec ar iyo gasu-
li, roca Tbilisi-rus-
Tavis gzaze avtosagzao
SemTxvevis Sedegad gar-
daicvala `rusTavi-2~-
is ori TanamSromeli
(teqnikuri personali),
xolo eqvsma sxeulis
dazianeba miiRo. mikroavtobusi,
romelsac xsenebuli telekom-
paniis TanamSromlebi rusTavSi
gadayavda, mocurda da ramdenime
metris siRrmis xevSi gadavarda.
simarTle giTxraT, am avtoava-
riamac gaaCina eWvi gamocdil
policielebSi.
2002 wlis 6 ianvars, afxa-
zeTis teritoriaze daakaves
`rusTavi-2~-is gadamRebi jgu-
fi, romelic afxazuri milici-
is blokpostebs iRebda. vfiq-
rob, esec Segnebulad gakeTda,
viTarebis gasamwvaveblad, vin
daijerebs, rom telekompaniis
xelmZRvanelobam ar icoda ra
Sedegic moyveboda am qmedebas.
sxvaTa Soris am televiziis ga-
damRebi jgufi mogvianebiT sama-
Cablos teritoriazec daakaves,
xom Cndeba eWvi, yovelTvis ese-
ni ratom exveodnen SarSi. 2002
wlis 6 ianvars cecxlsasroli
iaraRiT dacxriles gadacema
`60 wuTis~ wamyvanis akaki go-
giCaiSvilis samuSao kabineti.
ramdenadac vici, es SemTxveva
gamouZiebeli darCa, yovel Sem-
TxvevaSi, amis Sesaxeb sajaro
gancxadeba ar gakeTebula.
vTqvaT, SevardnaZis droindelma
samarTaldamcavebma ar gamoiZi-
es, vardosnebs ra uSlida xels
rom gamoeZiebinaT? amitomac
vfiqrob, rom esec Segnebulad
iyo gakeTebuli, Tu saerTod
moxda es danaSauli. 2003 wlis
25 oqtombers erosi kiwmariS-
vilma sasamarTloSi sarCeli
Seitana blok `erTiani saqarT-
velos~ lideris avTandil
jorbenaZis winaaRmdeg, rom
TiTqos igi telekompaniaze ze-
wolas axdenda. saqme exeboda
saparlamento arCevnebs, romlis
drosac `rusTavi-2~ zemoqmede-
bas axdenda amomrCevelze.
- batono daviT, es Civilic
farsi xom ar iyo, mere xom ga-
moqveynda faruli Canawerebi,
rogor aqtiurad TanamSromlob-
da saxelmwifo ministri jorbe-
naZe momaval revolucionereb-
Tan. maSin saqmeSi Caxeduli
xalxi imasac ambobda, kiwmariS-
vilma garigeba SesTavaza jor-
benaZes, romlis ganxorcielebis
SemTxvevaSi araviTari `revolu-
cia~ ar moxdeboda, magram jor-
benaZem `iZunwao~.
- arafris gamoricxva ar Se-
iZleba, faqti erTia, am e.w. re-
voluciis win, telekompania
mTeli Tvis ganmavlobaSi siste-
maturad aSuqebda xelisufle-
bis sawinaaRmdego gamosvlebs.
Salva naTelaSvili axla `rus-
Tavi-2~-is did damcvelad rom
mogvevlina, maSin leiboris-
tulma partiam, `demokratiuli
aRorZinebis kavSirma~ da `mrew-
veloba gadaarCens saqarTvelom~
mosaxleobas mouwodes boikoti
gamoecxadebinaT `rusTavi-2~-
sTvis. 2003 wlis 13 noembers
ceskom xsenebul telekompanias
akreditacia gauuqma im motiviT,
rom is saarCevno komisiaze ze-
wolas axdenda. es marTlac ase
iyo, mosaxleobac kargad xedav-
da rogor aqtiurad iyo CarTu-
li `rusTavi-2~ saarCevno pro-
cesebSi, faqtobrivad mxaris
funqcias asrulebda, amitomac
vambob, rom nacionalebisgan ma-
Ti gacalkeveba ar SeiZleba, yo-
velTvis partiuli televizia
iyo, ufro zustad propagandis-
tuli manqana (sazogadoebas
isic kargad axsovs, rogor
darbodnen am televiziis Jurna-
`rusTavi-2~-is Zveli
da axali codvebi
daviT gagniZe:
xom ar iciT sad wavida ramdenime Tvis win amerikis
mier mediis ganviTarebisTvis gadmoricxuli
40 milioni dolari, SemTxveviT `rusTavi-2~-isa da
e.w. elituri `enjeoSnikebis~ yulabaSi xom ara?
5saerTo gazeTi#36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w.
listebi bazrobebze da movaWre-
ebs aiZulebdnen nacebis mxar-
damWer mitingze gasuliyvnen -
m.s.). `revoluciis~ Semdeg ki
`gamarjvebuli xalxis televi-
zia~ dairqves, ise marTals am-
bobdnen, namdvilad iyvnen `ga-
marjvebulebis~ televizia. `ga-
marjvebidan~ erTi Tvis Tavze,
kerZod, 29 dekembers daudge-
nelma pirebma naRmmtyorcnebiT
dabombes telekompaniis mTavari
studia. `naRmmtyorcnebiT da-
bombva~ Zalze xmamaRali naTqva-
mia, magram raRac gasrola mar-
Tla iyo. ra Tqma unda, arc es
faqti gamouZiebiaT, ase rom,
arc `Semoqmedi~ dadgenila. im
periodisTvis ukve daZabuli vi-
Tareba iyo telekompaniis xel-
mZRvanelobasa da axal xeli-
suflebas Soris, amitomac
vfiqrob, `Semoqmedic~ maT So-
ris unda veZeboT da gamouZieb-
lobis mizezic. arc imis gamo-
ricxva SeiZleba, rom yvelaferi
gulubryvilo xalxis TvalSi
televiziis reitingis asamaR-
leblad gakeTda. cota mogviane-
biT naxeT ra xdeba, 2004 wlis
8 ivniss erosi kiwmariSvilma
telekompaniis gakotrebulad
cnobasTan dakavSirebiT vake-sa-
burTalos sasamarTlos sarCe-
liT mimarTa, rac sasamarTlom
11 ivniss daukmayofila. im dr-
oisTvis telekompanias
9.223.385 laris davalianeba
hqonda, maT Soris iyo saxelm-
wifo biujetis davalianeba
4.622.826 lari, xolo tele-
kompaniis qoneba 3. 880 069
lars Seadgenda. 17 ivniss gap-
rezidentebulma mixeil saakaS-
vilma telekompanias Tanadgoma
gamoucxada, 28 ivniss telekom-
paniis aqciebis 90% qibar xal-
vaSma SeiZina (Tu SeaZenines –
m.s.), sagadasaxado departament-
ma ki valebis restruqturiza-
cia gamoacxada. sinamdvileSi ki,
rogorc ambobdnen saakaSvilma
telekompanias sabiujeto dava-
lianeba Camoawera. ra ufleba
hqonda saakaSvils, Tundac pre-
zidentis rangSi, rom vinmesT-
vis sabiujeto davalianeba Camo-
ewera, ramdenadac vici, man meo-
redac Camoawera `rusTavi-2~-s
mravalmilioniani davalianeba.
SeiZleba raRaca Tanxebi Camoe-
wera, magram, roca msxvil sabi-
ujeto Tanxebzea saubari, vin
misca imis ufleba saakaSvils,
rom romeliRac `televiziuS-
kasTvis~ epatiebina. Tu arse-
bobs, amis regulirebadi kanonm-
debloba, maSin gamoaqveynon, me
ar vici aseTi wesi Tu arsebobs.
prezidents aqvs Tavisi fondi,
romelic saakaSvilma wasvlis
win bolomde SeWama, iqidan dax-
mareboda, fondis saxsrebiT da-
efara misi favoriti telekom-
paniis sagadasaxado davalianeba.
biujeti marto saakaSvilis
saTqvlefi ar iyo, rom rogorc
undoda ise ganekarga.
mivyveT Semdgom ganviTare-
bul movlenebs, 2004 wlis 6
noembers sofel kexvTan (sama-
Cablo) afeTqebis Sedegad msu-
buqad daiWrnen `rusTavi-2~-is
korespondentebi Tengiz gogo-
tiSvili da levan dgebuaZe. si-
marTle giTxraT, esec dadgmu-
li speqtakli mgonia, rom
xalxs eTqva, naxeT ra magari
televiziaa, konfliqtur regi-
onSi siuJetis gakeTebas ar eri-
debian, tyvias Tavs uSvereno.
2005 wlis 18 agvistos `rus-
Tavi-2~ofisSi pistoletiT
SeiaraRebuli piri SeiWra,
romelzec mere Tqves suliT
avadmyofi iyo da oficialu-
rad gamoacxades, rom TiTqos
ver gaarkvies ra surda am
pirs romelic TiTqmis naxeva-
ri saaTi esaubreboda sodis
erT-erT xelmZRvanels (misi
vinaobis gamJRavnebisgan Tavs
Sevikaveb). am periodSi ki sna-
iperi emzadeboda, romelmac
sruliad moulodnelad gas-
rola moaxdina da igi adgil-
ze mokla.
genprokuroris maSindelma
moadgilem kaxa koberiZem spe-
cialurad mowyobil brifing-
ze ganacxada, rom policia
iZulebuli gaxda iaraRi gamo-
eyenebina, radgan moqalaqe n.
ukiduresi agresiulobiT gamo-
irCeoda. prokurorisve ganmar-
tebiT, mas adre cecxlsasroli
iaraRis Senaxvis ufleba hqon-
da, magram xSirad arRvevda sa-
zogadoebriv wesrigs, rom mas
asaTianis saxelobis fsiqiatri-
ul klinikaSi paranoiduli Si-
zofrenia daudgines, ris safuZ-
velzec iaraRi CamoarTves. `be-
retas~ tipis pistoleti, rome-
lic Tavdasxmis dros hqonda,
registrirebuli ar yofila,
rom jerjerobiT ar flobdnen
informacias, ratom iTxovda
igi genprokurorTan Sexvedras
n. ramdenime wlis win marneu-
lis safinanso samsaxurSi muSa-
obda. Tavad telekompaniis in-
formaciiT, mas xsenebuli daava-
deba am SemTxvevamde daaxloe-
biT erTi wlis win daudgines
da fsiqiatriul klinikaSi sta-
cionalur mkurnalobasac gadi-
oda. mas mZevlad ayvanili yavda
telokompaniis TanamSromeli
koba kaxaZe. mogvianbiT presiT
gavrcelda informacia, rom te-
lekompaniaSi SeWrili piri igi-
neboda, iTxovda genprokuror-
Tan Sexvedras da raRac farul
videoCanawers, romelic misive
TqmiT, misi ojaxis dangrevis
mizezi gaxda. telekompaniis
Jurnalistebis TqmiT, Tavdamsx-
meli irwmuneboda, rom es vide-
oCanaweri intimuri xasiaTis
iyo, Tumca videomasala, romlis
gadawerasac is iTxovda arqivSi
ar aRmoCndao.
daviT gagniZis gancxadebiT,
xsenebul specoperacias TviTo-
nac eswreboda. im periodSi te-
lekompaniis ofisi metro `de-
lisTan~, yofili soflmSenis
SenobaSi iyo ganTavsebuli, ro-
gor SeZlo SeiaraRebulma ucxo
pirma telekompaniaSi uproble-
mod SeRweva, roca telokompani-
is dacva policielebsac ki ar
gviSvebda SenobaSio. rogorc
respodenti acxadebs, n-s agre-
siuloba ar etyoboda, igi mSvi-
dad esabreboda telekompaniis
TanamSromel qalbatons, arc
iaraRi daunaxavs. raze esaubre-
boda igi naxevari saaTis ganmav-
lobaSi sodis maRalCinosans,
respodentma ar icis. snaiperi,
romelmac Tavdamsxmelis likvi-
dacia moaxdina, Cems gverdiT
idga, mere operatiuli TanamS-
romlebi im adgilidan uceb gag-
viyvanes da snaiperma ise moaxdi-
na gasrola, rom brZaneba aravis
gauciao. daviT gagniZe eWvobs,
rom snaipers winaswar hqonda
miRebuli srolis brZaneba. rac
Seexeba fsiqikur avadmyofobas,
respodentSi esec eWvs iwvevs,
radgan arsad Canda misi avadmyo-
fobis damadasturebeli doku-
mentebi. Cven verafris mtkicebas
ver daviwyebT, magram faqtia,
rom am saqmesTan dakavSirebiT
kiTxvis niSnebi Cndeba.
daviT gagniZe: `telekom-
paniaSi saeWvo moZraobebi 2006
wlis dasawyisSive daiwyo, roca
qibar xalvaSma telekompaniis
aqciebis 22% daviT beJuaSvil-
ze gaasxvisa. imave wlis zaf-
xulSi jer Jurnalistma eka
xoferiam datova moulodnelad
telekompania, mogvianebiT nika
tabataZe gaaTavisufles gendi-
reqtorobidan, romlebsac male-
ve miyvnen Jurnalistebi nana
leJava, Tengiz gogotiSvili da
Tamar RvinianiZe, sainformacio
samsaxuris ufrosi Tamar ruxa-
Ze, `kurieris~ prodiuseri du-
du kurdRelia da amave gadace-
mis wamyvani naTia lazaSvili. 17
noembers qibar xalvaSs daaTmo-
bines Tavisi wilebi, rogorc
`rusTavi-2~-Si, ise telekompa-
nia `mzeSi~. 2007 wlis 20 ma-
iss guram SaraZis mkvlelobis
braldebiT daakavebuli giorgi
baraTelic `rusTavi-2~-is ope-
ratori iyo. mas danaSaulis Ta-
vis Tavze aReba aiZules, sainte-
reso isaa, rom igi kvlav patim-
robaSi rCeba. am telekompaniiT
ukmayofiloebi marto saqarTve-
loSi ar yofilan, 2007 wlis
11 seqtembers ruseTSi moRvawe
qarTvelTa kavSirma gaakritika
`rusTavi-2~ ruseT-saqarTvelos
veteran fexburTelTa matCTan
dakavSirebiT. `axladgamocxva-
ri~ investori irakli Ciqovani,
romelic Turme qibar xalvaSis
mier sasamarTlo davis dawyebi-
sas eqvsi milionis Cadebas api-
rebda telekompaniaSi, `ucxo~
ar yofila, man 2007 wlis 21
oqtombers jer nika tabataZis
`memkvidre~ davaraSvili Caanacv-
la gendireqtoris postze, ro-
melsac 2009 wlis aprilis Sua
ricxvebamde ikavebda, direqto-
rad gaxdomidan erTi wlis Tav-
ze Ciqovani telekompaniis 33%-
iani wilis mflobelic gaxda.
`gamarjvebuli xalxis tele-
vizia~, romelic sxva mediasa-
Sualebebs arakolegialobaSi
adanaSaulebs, TviTon arasd-
ros gamoirCeoda am TvisebiT.
gavixsenoT 2007 wlis `Savi~
noemberi, rogor mouwodebda
koba daviTaSvili `rusTavi-2~-
sa da `mzis~ Jurnalistebs,
rom arCevani xalxis, sindisis,
kolegialurobisa da profesi-
onalizmis sasargeblod gaeke-
TebinaT, miukerZoeblad emuSa-
vaT. levan gaCeCilaZem am te-
lekompaniebis Jurnalistebs
Tavisi brifingic ki daatove-
bina. opoziciis axalgazrduli
frTis warmomadgenlebma am
telekompaniebisa da sazogado-
ebrivi mauwyeblis ofisebTan
mitingi Caatares moTxovniT,
rom maT telekompania `imedis-
Tvis~ solidaroba gamoecxade-
binaT. 2008 wlis gazafxulze
gaerTianebulma opoziciam boi-
koti gamoucxada `rusTavi-2~-sa
da `mzes~, xolo zafxulis mi-
wuruls sozar subarma `rusTa-
vi-2~- brali dasdo erovnebaT-
Soris SuRlis gaRvivebaSi. ama-
ve wlis seqtembri dasawyisSi
`Savnabadis~ teritoriaze Sem-
TxveviTi tyviiT gardaicvala
telekompaniis operatori gior-
gi ramiSvili, rac aseve Zalian
did eWvs badebs. jer erTi es ar
aris iseTi obieqti, sadac sam-
xedro swavlebebi tardeba. asec
rom yofiliyo, ra undoda iq
kerZo telekompaniis opera-
tors, Jurnalistebi mxolod am
uwyebis pressamsaxuris warmo-
madgenlebTan erTad daiSvebian,
Tanac usafrTxo adgilze.
- batono daviT, ras emsaxu-
reba `rusTavi-22~-iis garSemo
atexili aJiotaJi, qoneba warT-
meul adamians sasamarTlo
davis ufleba ar aqvs?
- es yvelaferi xelovnu-
rad agorda, rom gadaefaraT
Tundac `abreSumis gzis~
grandiozul proeqtTan da-
kavSirebiT, TbilisSi Cata-
rebuli forumi. yuradReba
gadaetanaT Sualeduri ar-
Cevnebidan, romelsac nacmoZ-
raobam da misma sateliteb-
ma boikoti gamoucxades. es
arCevnebi rom gayalbdeboda
da patriotTa aliansi po-
zicia ar daTmobda, winaswar
icodnen. irma inaSvili da
misi mxardamWerebi saSimSi-
lod rom ar damjdariyvnen,
SeiZleba `rusTavi-2~-is
garSemo `vnebebi~ ukve Cam-
cxrali yofiliyo. ar unda
Candes qarTveli eris sruliad
samarTliani moTxovna saarCevno
kanonmdeblobis SecvlasTan da-
kavSirebiT. kerZo davaa da ga-
irCes sasamarTloSi, ratom aZ-
leven amxela mniSvnelobas me-
diasaSualebebi da xelisufle-
ba. sxva mediasaSualebebs ase
rom ar gaebuqebinaT, qibar xal-
vaSsa da telekompanias Soris,
ufro zustad saakaSvils dava,
elaparaka ramdenic undoda
`rusTavi-2~-s, am ureitingo
televiziis wiokobas araviTari
rezonansi ar eqneboda. am erT
xmaSi Jriamuls, erTi xelmZR-
vaneli yavs. sruliad veTanxme-
bi Jurnalis valeri kvaracxe-
lias, rom televiziebi iaraRia,
rogorc vatyob `rusTavi-2~
aris qarTveli xalxis fsiqo-
logiurad ganadgurebis iaraRi.
adamianurad Zalian mecodeba
mosamarTle Tamaz urTmeliZe,
xom xedavT rogor uteven tu-
rebiviT yvela mxridan. ra uf-
leba hqondaT revaz sayevariS-
vilsa da daviT dvals, rom sa-
samarTlos mier dakisrebul
movaleobas TviTneburad abareb-
dnen zaal udumaSvils. aq ori
variantia, an arakacebi arian,
anda viRacam TiTi dauqnia da
iZulebiT aTqmevina uari droe-
biTi mmarTvelebis movaleobis
Sesrulebaze, e.i. marTulebi
arian im xalxisgan visac saqar-
TveloSi masobrivi fsiqozis,
isteriis Seqmna undaT. xeli-
sufleba ki Tavs ikavebs, radgan
is gardamavali xelisuflebaa
da gamoricxulia konfliqtebze
wavides. ver uyurebT ra ambav-
Sia amerikis saxelmwifo depar-
tamenti, maTi elCi, evroparla-
mentarebis garkveuli nawili
da yvela juris saerTaSoriso
organizacia. aq erTi gamosava-
lia, xalxma unda amoiRos xma.
mosamarTle aiZules Tavisive
miRebuli ganCineba Seecvala~
Tavisufali sityvia `didi dam-
cveli~ naprokurorali gvara-
mia mmarTvelis postze daebru-
nebina. hoda finansuri da sxva
saxis pasuxismgeblobac am ba-
tonma aiRos, dafaros sabiuje-
to davalianeba, imedi maqvs ar
gauWirdeba. xom ar iciT sadwavida ramdenime Tviswin amerikis mier mediisganviTarebisTvis gadmo-ricxuli 40 milioni do-lari, SemTxveviT `rus-Tavi-2~-isa da e.w. elitu-ri `enjeoSnikebis~ yula-baSi xom ara? ase rom, `gva-
ramia da kompania~ usaxsrobas
namdvilad ar uCivis.
manana suxiSvili599 51 28 24
(gagrZeleba iqneba)
6 saerTo gazeTi #36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w.
`saerTo gazeTis~ stumaria
msaxiobi, parlamentari sosojaWvliani:
_ soso, maxsovs, erT-eerT in-
terviuSi leqsad miTxari: `koabi-
tacia kvlavac navardobs, demok-
ratiis kari CarazeT, es im `bed-
nier~ dRes gaumarjos rom dagv-
CinClaven am qveyanaze~. is `bed-
nieri~ dRe xom ar dadga ukve?
_ Cemi interviu gaJRenTili
iqneba sarkazmiT, ironiiTac da ra
Tqma unda, seriozulobiT. imitom,
rom cxovreba, am elementebis ga-
reSe, warmoudgenelia. RmerTma
daifaros qarTveli kaci iumoris
gareSe, ase xom SeiZleba guli
gaskdes. masmediis nebismier saSu-
alebas presa iqneba, internet ga-
mocema, Tu televizia, arsebobis
ufleba aqvs _ gind gadarTe,
gind gadmorTe. magram, aqve, dau-
wereli moraluri kodeqsebi arse-
bobs. xom naxeT, ra moxda safran-
geTSi. Turme, samamaulo omis me-
re, aseTi masStaburi teraqti ar
ganxorcielebula. modi, CaveZioT
mizezs, ratom xdeba yovelive?
amitom, arsebobs dauwereli mora-
luri kodeqsebi. SeiZleba iuridi-
ulad gamarTuli iyo, magram arse-
bobs raRac, rasac ar unda Seexo.
Tu Seexebi da mere raRac moxde-
ba, es Zalian cudia. yvelas wina-
aRmdegi var, vinc amas akeTebs.
sxvagvarad, cxovrebis sinqroni
irRveva da roca es xdeba im ube-
durebaSi SevdivarT, rac safran-
geTs daemarTa. amis mizezi uamra-
vi ram SeiZleba iyos, nu gavarCevT
vin marTalia, vin mtyuani, mTava-
ria cudi ambebi xdeba.
axla, rac Seexeba konkretu-
lad `rusTavi2~-s _ es arxi rom
daixuros yvelaze magrad SeiZle-
ba soso jaWvliani dazaraldes
imitom, rom es televizia imxela
ufaso reklamas mikeTebs, mis da-
xurvas ver gadavitan. Tundac `qe-
ris ubani~ aviRoT romlis erT-
erTi mTavari gmiri var, piriqiT,
Zalian didi madlobeli var, rom
ufaso reklamas mikeTeben. rac
parlamentSi Sevedi, davakvirdi
erT rames _ ra formiT muSaobs
presa, televizia. tendencia ase-
Tia: maT masebTan saubris udidesi
berketi aqvT da ici, ra aris yve-
laze cudi? _ roca masa Secdo-
maSi Segyavs. amas adamianebi Sesa-
niSnavad xvdebian. ras davakvirdi
ici? roca adamiani simarTles am-
bobs, Tu es presas an televizias
ar awyobs, egreve, am adamianis
marginalizacia iwyeba da sazoga-
doebas ise awvdian informacias
TiTqos es piri Tavis `ramaze~ ver
aris, ver azrovnebs. roca umcire-
sobebzea laparaki. mgoni, umcire-
sobaSi ukve Cemnairebi mohyvnen.
vinmem sadme dainaxa, rom Cemnairi
adamianebi xalxs iaraRiT dasdev-
dnen, an cemdnen, an klavdnen? me,
Cveulebrivi adamiani var, romel-
sac sakuTari azris gamoxatva Se-
uZlia. arasodes gamomixatavs ag-
resia arc xelis dartymiT, arc
Tofis sroliT. magram, samwuxa-
rod, am yvelafers sxvagvarad
warmoaCenen, ise rogorc maT
awyobT da ara ise, rogoric si-
marTlea. ise warmomaCenen, TiTqos,
me vinmes unda vebrZolo, TavSi
Cavartya. vis unda vebrZolo, sad
unda vebrZolo?! rezo gabriaZem
Tavis pirvel filmze, romelic
`natvris xemde~ gadaiRo (`kavkasi-
uri romani~) me amiyvana lika qav-
JaraZesTan erTad, mTavar rolebs
vTamaSobdiT. iqac iyo iseTi ada-
mianebi, razec axla vsaubrob. vin-
mes smenia, rom sosos ecemos, an
TavSi Caertyas? es yvelaferi rac
axla xdeba, TiTidan gamowovilia.
aviRoT, Tundac `rusTavi2~-Tan
damokidebulebaSi _ erTi ambavi
atexes, gvxuraveno. vin xuravs,
ratom xuravs? am isterikas xom
upasuxa qibar xalvaSma _ aravis
arafers verCi, arxis daxurvas ar
vapirebo. magram eseni imdenad ga-
kotrebulebi, aRviraxsnilebi ari-
an, im doneze gaiSifrnen, gaTav-
xeddnen, rom undaT saqarTveloSi
sisxlisRvra gamoiwvion. amas ver
eRirsebian. specialurad gahyviri-
an gvxuraveno, rom aq sisxlis gu-
beebi daayenon, magram tyuilad
codviloben, araferi gamouvaT.
_ soso, rogor fiqrob, ratom
mivediT am mdgomareobamde?
_ am kiTxvaze pasuxis gasace-
mad erT ambavs gavixseneb: 2012
wlis 28 dekembers, amnistiis me-
re, erTma Jurnalistma mkiTxa _
rogor grZnobT Tavs parlament-
Sio? vupasuxe _ iciT, ra, sasw-
rafod arCevnebi unda Catardes-
meTqi. amaze, Cemi Tanagundelebi
kinaRam gagiJdnen, ra dros arCev-
nebia ori Tvis win ar SemovediT
parlamentSio. iciT, ratom mo-
viTxove ori Tvis Tavze vadamde-
li arCevnebi? imitom, rom `naci-
onalebs~ 40% realurad, ar
auRiaT da arc ekuTvnodaT. maSin
es rom ar gavaprotesteT, xedavT,
axla sadamde mivediT? _ nugzar
wiklauri gamodis da vadamdel
arCevnebs iTxovs, `nacionalebi ~
ise gaTamamdnen es mTavroba ara-
legitimuria, xalxs ar aurCeviao
gaiZaxian da xelisuflebis Secv-
las iTxoven(!!!) es, garkveulwi-
lad, Cveni bralia. `qarTul ocne-
bas~ imodena Secdomebi gvaqvs daS-
vebuli, rom `vin dasTvalos zRva-
Si qviSa da an caze varskvlavebi~.
erTi Secdoma ukve giTxariT, ax-
la, meores getyviT, razec adre
pirvelad `saerTo gazeTis~ fur-
clebidan visaubre. naTqvams isev
gavimeoreb, radgan Tqvens gazeTs
gansakuTrebuli mkiTxveli hyavs _
vice-skiperad gia baramiZe yvelaze
didi qvorumiT avirCieT. imis ma-
givrad, rom gveTqva, es kaci
mkvlelobaSia eWvmitanilio, Ta-
namdeboba miveciT, esec davuTmeT.
mere, saakaSvili parlamentis gax-
snaze da iqedan kinwiskvriT gamog-
debis nacvlad, zar-zeimiT mivi-
ReT. arada, panRuriT unda gamog-
vegdo, swori reaqcia ar gavake-
TeT. yvelaferze viZaxeT _ axla
ar gvinda, nu vizamT amas, mere
vqnaT, dasavleTi gviyurebso. ai,
Sedegi. 25 aTasi faili, sadac
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aCveneben? dRemde, ebraelebma ger-
manelebs aTi aTasjer moaxdevines
bodiSi, miliardobiT Tanxebs
dRemde axdevineben. Cndeba kiTxva
_vin aris is xalxi, vinc `rusTa-
vi2~-s ase TavgamodebiT icavs? Za-
lian kargad viciT vinc arian, sa-
idan arian mosyidulebi. bokerias
21 milioni hqonda biujeti da mi-
lionobiT Tanxebs viRac-viRacebs
aZlevda.
_ soso, axla Tqvi, imis Za-
xilSi ariqa, dasavleTi gviyureb-
so, dRes `nacionalebi~ aqeT
iTxoven mTavrobis gadadgomas.
dRes ukve amerikis, evrokavSiris
elCebi TiTs gviqneven `rusTavi2~-
is TemasTan dakavSirebiT...
_ amerikelebs da evropelebs
minda vkiTxo _ ratom akeTebT
amas, Tqven, xma unda amoiRoT, ra-
Ta qarTvel xalxs Tavi ar Sea-
zizRoT. ra Tqma unda, Cven gvinda
urTierToba evropasTanac, ameri-
kasTanac, romelmac uzarmazari
Tanxa mogvca, saqarTvelo Sim-
Sils gadaarCina. xelisufleba am-
bobs, rom `rusTavi2~-s aravin xu-
ravs, evropa da amerika ki mainc
SfoTavs. ratom warmoaCenen ase
mcdarad movlenebs? am yvelafri-
dan gamomdinare, eWvi miCndeba,
rom saqarTveloSi seriozuli
sisxlisRvris gamowveva undaT,
magram ver moeswrebian.
_ amas eWvi rad unda? Canawe-
rebSi, rac vixileT saakaSvili
pirdapir saubrobs gadatrialeba-
ze.
_ diax da mec swored es mik-
virs, amaze reaqcia ratom ar
aqvT?! Tu Canaweri damontaJebuli
araa da avTenturia, amis axsnas,
gaxsnas da dadgenas xom wamebi un-
da. ratom ar akeTeben amaze reaq-
cias evropelebi, amerikelebi?
qarTveli xalxi yvelaze Wkviania.
Cveni xalxis motyueba Zalian ad-
vilia, mimndobni varT, magram dro
rom gava da maTi tyuilebi gamo-
aSkaravdeba, mere ras apireben? es
xom cud Sedegebamde migviyvans.
gulwrfelad viZaxi, ramdenic un-
daT imdeni maRadavon nebismierma
televiziam. marto me maRadavon,
marto me mekaifon, marto me viyo
is rogoradac Cems Tavs sazoga-
doebas warudgenen, oRond am qve-
yanas eSvelos da maSin Cemze bed-
nieri kaci ar iqneba. SenTan saub-
risas ramdenjer miTqvams: me var
adamiani, romelic 24 saaTi saku-
Tar Tavs dascinis. saxlidan rom
gamovdivar, mTeli dRe, am sosos
davsdev da vekaifebi, veRadavebi.
neta marto es iyos problema da
qveyanas eSvelos. Canawerebs da-
vubrundeT, rogor ar unda gamiC-
ndes eWvi, roca irakli baTiaSvi-
li telefoniT saubrobda da kvi-
cians amSvidebda sisxlisRvra da
ubedureba ar moxdeso, amis gamo
daiWires. guram SaraZe amodena
adamiani, eris kaci gaaqanes da ci-
xeSi Casves. qarTvel sazogadoebas
movuwodeb _ gamofxizldiT. yve-
la adamians vinc daaSava, kanonis
farglebSi, pasuxi unda movTxo-
voT. albaT, gaCndeba kiTxva – so-
so, ra kanonze laparakob, Sen ar
xar im sakanonmdeblo organoSi,
Sen ar gaqvs maTTan urTierTobao?
koabitaciaze da demokratiaze
leqsic davwere, rac Sen SekiTx-
vaSi damisvi. koabitaciaSi aravis-
Tan ar var, es absoluturad miu-
Rebelia, yvela damnaSave unda da-
isajos. mavani warsulis daviwye-
bas gvTavazobs, nuras ukacravad.
nacisturma germaniam ebraelebs
uzarmazari tkivili miayena, 70
welia amaze midis saubari da maT,
bodiSebs dRemde axdevineben. da-
viwyeba maincdamainc qarTvelebze
unda gavrceldes? dasavleTi iqne-
ba, azia, ruseTi, afrika Tu marsi,
yvelam Tavi dagvanebos, Cvens qve-
yanaSi, vinc damnaSavea, yvela unda
daisajos. vinc gveubneba, damnaSa-
ve ar unda davsajoTo, mas, saqar-
TveloSi, mudmivi areuloba
awyobs. adamianma sakuTari Tavi
dazaralebulis adgilas unda da-
ayenos da maSin aRar inavardebs
koabitacia da arc demokratiis
kari Cairazeba. ase, rom Cemze ve-
ravin ityvis, milioni weli `naci-
onalebTan~ koabitaciaSi ar Sev-
sulvar da arc Seval. magram er-
Ti da ori mercxlis WikWiki ga-
zafxuls ver moiyvans. amitom, ax-
la, rom gelaparakebi, Zalian cu-
dad vgrZnob Tavs _ meoTxe weli
daiwyo da yvelas vekiTxebi Tqve
kai adamianebo, ratom ar dakiTxu-
la dRemde baramiZe?! araa damnaSa-
ve? maSin gamodi da Tqvi, rom dam-
naSave araa. vambob, dakiTxeT-meT-
qi, meti rogorRa vTqva. Tqven gin-
daT, rom muSti-krivi iyos parla-
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mikvirs ici, maSin roca amdeni
problemaa, damnaSaveebi dasasje-
75 weli gavida mas Semdeg da ebraelebma
germanelebs aTiaTasjer moaxdevines
bodiSi... Cven, qarTvelebs, ratom ar gvaqvs
ufleba, `nacionalebs~ pasuxi movTxovoT
Cadenili danaSaulobebis gamo?!
soso jaWvliani:
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
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7saerTo gazeTi#36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w.
diax, sxvagvarad ver ityvis
piruTvneli kaci, radgan jer ki-
dev ama wlis 14 oqtombris `sa-
erTo gazeTi~ #31 (343) gamoqvey-
nda mcire werili `teroristu-
li bumerangi evropisTvis _ aSS-
is saCuqari evropas~ fotoebiT,
romelzec asaxulni iyvnen is
`ltolvilebi~, romelTac FB-isgasufTaveba mniSvnelovnad ar
CaTvales. vicavT udanaSaulobis
prezumfcias, magram, aba, gameore-
biT daxedeT dainteresebulma pi-
rebma im fotoebs, ranairad SeiZ-
leboda amgvari warsulis (Tu
myofadis?) adamianebis evropis
(an nebismieri qveynis Tu mxaris)
SuagulSi gaSaravneba?
kacma alalad rom Tqvas, am
werilSi is ubralo `winaswar-
metyveleba~ ewera, rac werilis
mixedviT, Zalian swrafad unda
asrulebuliyo da asrulda kidec
_ im daxocilma `ubralo adamia-
nebma~ ra daaSaves, Torem...
advilia, axla safrangeTis
dazvervas Tu kontrdazvervas ga-
daabralo mTeli es tragedia,
(romelic Zalian male statisti-
kad iqceva!), magram winmdevi mov-
lena-molaparakeba-gegmebi daaviwy-
da vinmes?
umartivesi kiTxva, romelic
imTaviTve daisva _ planetis um-
didresi qveynebi: arabTa gaerTia-
nebuli saemiroebi, saudis arabe-
Ti, quveiTi (an sxva, nebismieri)
garda imisa, rom siriis mezoble-
bi arian geografiulad, sxva
mxrivac axloblebi da TiTqmis
erTnairni arian kulturuli, re-
ligiuri da a.S TvalsazrisiT da
ratom, ratom, unda Seifaros ga-
urkveveli ideur-politikur-men-
talur Semadgenlobis xalxis ma-
sa absuluturad gansxvavebuli
yofa-cxovrebisa da mentalobis
evropam da ra ara samezoblom?
uremi rom gadabrundeba, gza
mere gamoCndebao _ amboben CvenSi.
netav, ramdeni uremi unda gaub-
rundes beber evropas?
ra Tqma unda, ar daayovna ma-
ri le penma _ es qali yvelafer
amas ori-sami wlis wliT adre
ambobda... amdenad, aRaravis gauk-
virdes momavalSi mari le penis
gamarjveba arCevnebSi da `saerTo
gazeTis~ winaswarmetyveleba 2-3
wliT adre! _ keTil survilad
CavTvaloT, rom moswyindaT Wku-
asrul frangebs sxvis Wkuaze bo-
diali...
modiT, vTqvaT erTi _ 1954
wlis Semdeg safrangeTSi pirve-
lad gamocxadda sagangebo mdgoma-
reoba!
safrangeTi mimzidveli iyo am
dRemde da mimzidveli iqneba yo-
velTvis, radgan msoflio klasi-
ka-qveynad aris aRiarebuli, mag-
ram, aba, vnaxoT danarCeni msof-
lio rogor moeqceva xilul
mters?
didi istoriis matarebeli
safrangeTi yovelmxriv klasika
iyo. mterTan sarecelgayofil
qalebsac ki imdenad gansxvavebu-
lad moeqca, mainc klasikaSi Caj-
da...
faSisturi germaniis winaaRm-
deg mxolod 25 000 frangi pat-
rioti ibrZoda, roca vermaxtis
jarSi 100 000 frangi jariskaci
msaxurobda, magram rodesac saf-
rangeTi ganTavisuflda, safrange-
Tis `saSinel mtrebad~ is jaris-
kacebi ki ar CaTvales, romlebic
mizezTa gamo iricxebodnen ver-
maxtis jarSi, aramed is qalebi,
romlebic faSistebTan sakuTari
nebiT bozobdnen `kargi cxovrebis
ndomis~ sababiT (sxvaTaSoris,
rodesac yvelafers Tavisi saxeli
erqmeva, bevrad martivi xdeba saq-
mis arsis gaazreba!). frangma mama-
kacebma gamoavlines yvela maTgani,
gadaparses Tavi da naxevrad SiS-
vlebs an sruliad SiSvlebs daa-
tarebdnen quCebSi, ayridnen na-
gavs, sxeulze axatavdnen svasti-
kas, aginebdnen; qalebi _ wyevlid-
nen, lanZRavdnen, afurTxebdnen,
silas awnidnen... ver gauZlo bev-
rma maTganma am damcirebas da iq-
ve, eiforiaSi myofi mozeime xal-
xis Tvalwin TviTmkvlelobiT da-
asrules sicocxle... _ es im
frangi xalxi istoriidanaa, ro-
melsac dRes Tavze daaduJes de-
mokratiiis saxeliT...
saqarTvelos mufTma beglar
qaSimaZem momxdar saSinelebas
mokled gasca pasuxi, rom arc
erT morwmunes ar mowons roca
amgvar danaSauls islamis saxe-
liT sCadian.
RmerTo, didebulo! mxolod
es ori sityva vici _ `allahu
aqbar!~ da mtrisas, qarTuli mx.
filmis `pasportis~ personaJiviT
avibnie. `allahu aqbar~ arabuli
sityvaa da niSnavs `RmerTi maRa-
lia!~, magram asi gamokiTxulidan,
albaT, asive ityvis, rom es aris
mowodeba daixocon qristianebi...
mxolod mciredi sauniversi-
teto mimoxilviT, Cemi leqto-
ris, batoni rezo yandarelis mi-
er mowodebuli codniT _ arc
erTi religia ar qadagebs qale-
bis, bavSvebis da umweo adamiane-
bis xocvas... me TviT maqvs wa-
kiTxuli yurani da msgavsi arafe-
ri weria. ratom urevs viTom vi-
Rac ucnobi Segnebulad yvela-
fers yvelaferSi da ase briyvu-
lad uqancurebs Tavs e.w msof-
lio civilizacia?
ara, ubralod daibnevi adamia-
ni _ safrangeTi `nato-s~ usafr-
Txoebis qveS ar aris? 1949 wels
ase vTqvaT, sxvebTan erTad dam-
fuZnebelia im `nato-si~, axla ki,
ra xdeba?!
kacma rom Tqvas, araferi
`gansakuTrebuli~, ubralod _
Tu aziaSi ixocebian mSvidobiani
moqalaqeebi civilizebuli e.w.
dasavleTis sahaero TavdasxmebiT,
es demokratiiisTvis brZolaa,
xolo Tu civilizebul qveynebSi
moxdeba aRniSuli qmedebisTvis
SurisZieba _ es terorizmia; ras
vizamT, visac dalaparakeba SeuZ-
lia, ar alaparakeben; visac moq-
medeba SeuZlia _ edave-
bian, Sen ra gindao; ara-
da, umartivesad devs
yvelaferi _ mokvda di-
di xmis win mkvdari ben
ladeni da unda aRmoce-
nebuliyo `raRac~ an
`viRac~ da aha, aRmocen-
da!
sainteresoa, im vi-
Rac Svid terorists
rom eZeben, ipovnian?
CvenTan, magaliTad, 2012
wlamde ucbad `ipovnidnen~...
iyo ideuri mcdeloba, magram
ver gamoeba es saSineli teraqt-
seriebi sisxlian terors friad
mowadinebul maradiul borotad
mxiarul `Sarli ebdos~, radgan,
sulac martivze iyo gaTvla viRa-
cis mxridan _ evropis daTrgun-
va, sikvdili da mxolod sikvdi-
li!...
ucbad, savaraudod, eSmakmac
rom ar icoda da e.w ukrainulma
vikiliqsma (miTumetes!), mexiviT
gavarda ambavi _ italiurma saa-
gentom gamoaqveyna foto, sadac
asaxulia mister jon makkeini sa-
idumlo Sexvedraze siriel te-
roristebTan, anu `demokratiul
opoziciasTan~, `Sarli ebdo-s~
teraqtamde mcire xniT adre. saa-
gentos informaciiT, wiTeli
rgoliT Semoxazulia teraqtis
monawile piri, romelic amavdro-
ulad parizSi gamarTuli `mSvi-
dobis marSis~ monawilec iyo...
martivi `sawinaswarmetyvelo-
a~ ra abrakadadabras gamoavlenen
axla brZeni kacebi da qalebi da
daiwyeben imisTanas, mtrisas, mag-
ram martivad SevxedoT, aba, ra
moxda da ra SeiZleba moxdes?
amas xom vinmes gauqmebuli filo-
sofosi tvini ar sWirdeba?
ruseTze iTqva wikvinSi, Tur-
me teroristebs rusuli `kalaS-
nikovebi~ aqvT, magram aravis ux-
senebia, rom `saidanRac gamosvle-
bisas~ aSS-s ar gamoutania sam-
xedro-sabrZolo SeiraReba, Zviri
dajdebodao... arc is uTqvamT, ra
gancxadeba gaaSanSala iaponuri
avtomobilebis mwarmoebelma fir-
mam, ratom da rogor aris Cveni
firmis manqanebi teroristebis
gamgeblobaSio; arc is uTqvamT,
swored siriaSi da swored fran-
guli aviacia rom yrida bombebs,
imis gamoZaxilia teraqtebi saf-
rangeTSio... bevr rames ar amboben
dRes, magram ityvian xval... imasac
ityvian, rom evropaSi ltolvi-
lebis Seseva, msoflios `gademok-
rateba~ da `jihadis~ saxeliT wa-
ramara spekulirebac erTi Zalis
mier aris organizebuli...
sainteresoa, e.w marTvadi qa-
osis Seqmna evropaSi, rac buneb-
rivia, momavalSi teraqtebis gax-
SirebaSi gamoixateba, vis unda
`awyobdes~? axla is momenti ud-
gas beber evropas, roca qarTuli
andaza xmianobs `beberi mot...es
da kari mouxureso~, anu, sanam
mTlad parmaRsmiRma darCenila,
beberma evropam unda imarjvos...
xalxma ra daaSava, xalxma,
Torem sxvis xuStureze siarul-
ma ase icis!...
axla, narTauli gadmogvkres,
saqarTvelom SesaZloa sirieli
ltolvilebi miiRos, ramdenime
adamiani mainco! raRacis aso-ci-
rebuli wevrobis gamo ki ara, ise,
keTili nebis gamoxatulebado;
ara, gana valdebulia, magram main-
co. veJo, sakuTar samSobloSi sa-
kuTari devnilebisTvis ver miuxe-
dia am 2/2kvm-ze darCenil saqar-
Tvelos da kidev sirieli da Ta-
nac teroristebi eWirveba? im
reklamisa ar iyos, amaT Tavi Sig-
nidan xom ar efxanebaT?
Tu davuSvebT, rom `Sarli eb-
do-s~ tragedia yofila repeti-
cia, axla, es teraqtebi _ genera-
luri repeticia gamodis, speqtak-
lic unda Sedges?
sabWoTa dros Tqma iyo aseTi:
_ `es Jurnalia, kino mere iqneba-
o~, vin elodeba `kinos~? ufro
sworad, vis interesebSi kinos
Cveneba?
gaurkveveli miznis (amjerad
mxolod ase vTqvaT) mqone naxeva-
ri milioni janmrTeli da brZo-
lisunariani ltolvilis miSveba
nebismier kontinentze saranCaze
uaresia, arada, Tavis mxriv, `di-
teroristuli bumerangi evropas
xuTmagi saltoTi daubrundaviziareb frangebis mwuxarebas,
romelic `amerikulma demokratiam~ Sva...
8 gv.
8 saerTo gazeTi #36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w.
lia da Tavisi adgili aqvT misa-
Ceni, mavani saRadaod iclis. Ra-
davs kaci ar mouklavs. `evropis
rekonstruqciis banks~ anu ibi-
ards mTelma parlamentma xangrZ-
livi droiT kabinetebi davuTmeT
da viTom, me es ar vicodi ra
iyo? xo, kargi, ar vici, dae, ase
gegonoT, iRadaveT Cemze, oRond
qveyanas uSveleT. im dResve xom
avxseni ra da rogor iyo. magram
ai, sadaa ZaRlis Tavi damarxu-
li? zustad eg undaT rom gaake-
Ton _ ai, naxe rogori deputate-
bi arian parlamentSi, ibiardi ar
ician ra ariso. naxe rogor awv-
dian informacias? Tanac, specia-
lurad xdeba aqcentebis gadata-
na. gamovedi parlamentSi da gava-
keTe gancxadeba _ `amerika da ev-
ropa gveubneba ruseTTan saerTo
ena gamonaxeT. saqme saqmeze rom
midgeba, raRac Zala xels gviS-
lis da ruseTTan ar gvalapara-
kebs-meTqi. igives gveub-
neba ruseTi _ saerTo
ena gamonaxeT afxazeT-
Tan da oseTTan. Cven
xom Zalian kargad vi-
ciT, rom maTTan aravin
ar dagvalaparakebs, ami-
tom, saswrafod, ru-
seTTan diplomatiuri
urTierToba unda aR-
vadginoT. ukraina, ro-
melsac sisxlismRvre-
li brZolebi aqvs, ru-
seTTan diplomatiur
urTierTobas inarCu-
nebs. aseve, iqceva germania, iapo-
nia, fineTi. igives, Cven ratom ar
vakeTebT-meTqi?~ am gancxadebis
mere, gamodis Cemi gundeli da am-
bobs: sosom ruseTTan SeerTebis
Sesaxeb gancxadeba gaakeTao. ges-
mis, ras vambob? anu, Cemi, maTi
gundidanac raRac seriozuli Za-
lebi muSaoben, romelTac undaT
vinc simarTles ityvis giJad, de-
bilad monaTlon. viyo debili,
viyo giJi, oRond qveyanas eSve-
los. yvela vinc am azrs ase an-
viTarebs, moRalatea. xo, ar vici
xo, iRadaveT xo, ramdenic gin-
daT. `rusTavi2~-ma ici ra donis
reklama gamikeTa? _ samegrelo-
dan sami wlis bavSvi Camoiyvanes,
ekiTxebian vis icnob politiko-
sebso _ soso jaWvlians da biZi-
na ivaniSvilso, meti araviso. ama-
ze didi reklama ra ginda. iRada-
veT. vinc am Radavze piriqiT mad-
loba ar giTxraT, imis deda da
yvelaferi... piriqiT, didi mad-
loba.
_ soso, weRan `qarTu-
li ocnebis~ Secdomebze
isaubre. 6 dekembers `res-
publikuri partia~ yri-
lobas marTavs da rogorc
amboben, iq, gadawyveten
darCebian Tu gavlen koa-
liciidan. es ras niSnavs?
_ vin ras da rogor
gadawyvets, es calkeuli
koaliciaSi Semavali par-
tiebis saqmea, es erTmniS-
vnelovnad asea. vin rogor
gadawyvetilebas miiRebs,
amaze komentars mere gava-
keTeb. Riad geubnebi, bevri
ram ar momwons. ici, ra-
tom ar momwons? _ imi-
tom, rom tarani TvliTaa.
axla, viRaca gamoxteba da
damiwyebs laparaks, par-
lamentSi Turme, Zalian
bevri msaxiobi, reJisori da
sportsmeniao. `saerTaSoriso
gamWirvaloba~ da `en-di-ai~ xom
araa Cemi mogonili? maT aqvT
Jurnali, ris mixedviTac parla-
mentSi 120 ekonomisti, socio-
logi da iuristia, gesmis?! vis
veZaxiT Cven politikosebs? ra
rangiT vafasebT politikosebs?
30 welia mTeli saqarTvelo po-
litikaSi ar varT? amdeni welia
politikaSi varT Cafluli da
saqarTvelos gabrwyinebis gzas
jerac ver davadeqiT. Cemi azriT,
parlamentSi, upirvelesad, iseTi
adamianebi unda iyvnen, romelTac
namusi da patiosneba ar daukar-
gavT. xSirad, demokratiul sazo-
gadoebasa da evropul Rirebule-
bebze vlaparakobT. am mxriv, ve-
losipedi ukve gamogonebulia,
mTavaria politikuri neba da ka-
nonebis aRsruleba. parlaments
iseTi adamianebi sWirdeba, vinc
amas namusierad, patiosnad gaake-
Tebs. adamiani roca iRviZebs da
wesrigdeba, ukve msaxiobobas
iwyebs. politikosidan dawyebuli
damlageblamde damTavrebuli yve-
la msaxiobi da am samyaroSi Ta-
visi rolis Semsrulebelia. mag-
ram Tu rogor vasrulebT am
rols, amas sazogadoeba gansjis.
yvelaze didi msaxiobi, am cxra
wlis manZilze, mixeil saakaSvi-
li iyo, romelic am `profesias~
dRemde agrZelebs. prezidenti
aRaraa da mainc cdilobs, ro-
gorme, qveyanas avnos. parlament-
Si aucileblad unda iyvnen sxva-
dasxva profesiis adamianebi _
iuristebi, ekonomistebi da sxva.
me arCeuli deputati var, aravis
davuniSnivar. dro rom gava gair-
kveva `vmsaxiobobdi~ Tu qveyanas
vemsaxurebodi. msoflioSi xe-
lovnebis warmomadgenlebis po-
litikuri Rvawlis uamravi maga-
liTi gvaqvs, maT, xalxma ndobis
mandati misca. Cven xom ndobiT,
avtoritetiT agvirCies? amaSi
lomis wili, ra Tqma unda, iva-
niSvilisaa. magram roca 26 maiss
damiWires da SimSiloba gamo-
vacxade, maSin, gana vmsaxiobobdi?
parlamentaroba mudmivi xom araa.
me useriozulesi profesia maqvs
_ esaa amiran jaWvlianis ojaxiS-
viloba. ase, rom Tu ramis keTeba
ginda, ramodenime msaxiobi xels
ver SegiSlis. Tu maincdamainc
muSaobaze vlaparakobT, Semdegs
getyviT: me ar vicodi, amas ori
weli mimalavdnen Cemi Tanagunde-
lebi, arada, Turme, `saerTaSori-
so gamWirvalobam~ gamokiTxva Ca-
atara romeli deputati muSaobs
adgilze yvelaze kargad da ori
welia pirvel adgils vikaveb.
parlamentSi Sevdivar da erTi
parlamentari, Cemi gundeli meub-
neba: soso gilocav. ras-meTqi,
gamikvirda. meore welia maJori-
tar deputatebSi saukeTeso mu-
SaobiT pirvel adgilze gadixa-
ro? amis Sesaxeb mxolod ori
Tvis win gavige. ar gainteresebs
meore adgilze gasul zurab aba-
SiZes ramdeni weriliT vugeb? _
2500-iT. me 5 aTasi werili maqvs
miRebuli da damuSavebuli. da-
narCenebs 100, 50 da a.S. gamodis
rom 73 maJoritar deputatSi
pirvel adgilze me gavsulvar.
ase, rom Tu vinmes ramis keTeba
unda, gaakeTos, xels aravin uS-
lis. xom gagigia _ `ploxomu
tancoru iaici meSalio~. rac Se-
exeba arCevnebs, Cemi azriT, par-
tia calke unda iyrides kenWs da
mere Seqmnan Tu undaT koalicia.
TiToeulma damoukideblad unda
aCvenos ra SeuZlia da mere par-
lamentSi rom SEva, visTanac un-
da imasTan Sevides koaliciaSi.
Tavidanve koaliciiT rom Sedian
parlamentSi, es CemTvis uxerxu-
lobas iwvevs. yvelaze kargi is
iqneba yvelam cal-calke iyaros
kenWi da parlamentSi rom Sevlen
mere iq gaakeTon koali-
cia.
_ bolosken isev de-
mokratias davubrundeT.
Tormetma arasamTavrobom
ganacxada ivaniSvili de-
mokratias safrTxes uqm-
niso. am arasamTavroboebs
erTi ar wamoscdebaT saa-
kaSvili rom revoluciebs
gvigegmavs es uqmnis Tu
ara safrTxes qveyanas?
_ arc wamoscdebaT,
isini xom mosyidulebi
arian. aTasi ubedureba
xdeba qveyanaSi da egeni marto
rac TviTon ainteresebT imaze
SfoTaven. SeiZleba gagiJdes kaci
amaTi utifrobiT. kaci cxens ver
moeria da unagirs dauwyo cemao,
ase gamosdiT. batonma biZinam
uTxra maT, politikuri gancxa-
debebis gakeTebas Tavi daanebeTo.
maSin, politikaSi CaerTon. ami-
tom, am arasamTavroboebma keTili
inebon da wesierad ilaparakon da
ara mixveul-moxveulad. isini
xom yvela is saxeebi arian, ro-
melTac dRs Tu xval sxvadasxva
partiebSi gawevrianebulebs vixi-
lavT. arasamTavrobo xom maTTvis
tramplinia politikisken, ram-
denze da rogor gadaxtebian es
maTi begraundidan gamoCndeba. ro-
gorc eseni SfoTaven, ise Sfo-
Tavs msoflioc da imitom varT
am ubedurebaSi gaxveuli. SfoTva
ki ar unda, simarTle da reagi-
rebaa saWiro.
Tamar SveliZe555 23 28 24
di humanistis~ saxelic rom unda
im kontinents? sainteresoa, mixv-
deba Tu vera safrangeTi, rom te-
raqti ki ara, mis winaaRmdeg gan-
xorcielda srulmasStabiani sab-
rZolo moqmedeba, anu `Sokuri
Terapia~ rom Cautara `viRacam~?
(sxvaTa Soris, didma britaneTma
TavSive daakvesa Tvalebi, evrokav-
Siridan gaval Tu eg ltolvile-
bi unda SemovuSvao, magram maTac
rom `blomad aqvT naWami~?)
bevri ram SeiZleba iTqvas da
bevrs rasme rameze, magram aba,
dRes ra gvidgas, is vikiTxoT!
roca kaci, e.w WkuissakiTxavi
kiTxvas ase ayalibebsL _ `ra gin-
daT, nato-s jari Sevides 50 te-
roristTan saomrad?~ _ ra unda
upasuxo?
ai, aseT adamians rogor unda
auxsna, rom tipiurisgan gansxva-
xebuli idiotia?
RmerTo didebulo!!!!
rodesac italiuri sainforma-
cio saagento aqveynebs `didi jek
mausis~, igive senator jon mak-ke-
inis (sabWoTa agenturis TanamS-
romeli, profesiiT samxedro
mfrinavi `jek-mausi~) saidumlo
Sexvedras sirielebTan, anu e.w
`demokratiul opoziciasaTan~
(aRniSnuli masala gamoqveynebu-
lia e.w `Sarli ebdomde~ cota
xniT adre), cota ar iyos, daib-
nevi brinjiviT...
adamianTa jgufi pirdapir
ukavSirebs am saSinel teraqtebs
parizSi `Sarli ebdos~, miTume-
tes, rom anonsia _ karikaturebi
iqneba am dRezeo da Tvlian, rom
`Sarli ebdoebi~ mxolod is usu-
lo Tojinebi arian, roca saWiro-
ebis SemTxvevaSi ucbad gardaiqm-
nebian warmoudgenel saSinelebad.
mokled rom vTqvaT, reziume ase-
Tia: _ es aris erTi didi qveynis
mier mowyobili gauTavebeli sis-
xlisRvra dedamiwis masStabiT, im
qveynis mier, romelTac Seqmnes
ben ladeni (ara mxolod is) da
moawyes 11 seqtemberic... qveyana,
romelic demokratiis saxeliT
qmnis msoflio sasaklaos...
`viRacam~ Seqmna geografiulad
ararsebuli teroristuli qveyana
`islamuri saxelmwifo~ ze-Seiara-
RebiT, romelsac naxevari trili-
oni dolari aqvs da kidev ramea sa-
kiTxav-gamosaZiebeli? ra karikatu-
ra, ra Jurnalisti! _ WanWikebi...
sxvaTaSoris, isic gasaocari
ambavia, rom mZevlebis daxsnis e.w
specoperaciaze fiqris dros 100-
ze meti adamiani Seiwires, konk-
retulad teraqtebis dros daRu-
pulebze meti raodenoba _ amas
hqvia profesionalizmi?
arada, xom umartivesia, mas
unda axlevono Tavi saiqios ka-
ribWeze, vinc terorizms afinan-
sebs... da kidev, `Sarli ebdos~ da
misTanebs...
ginda Tu ar ginda, mexsiere-
bis mqone adamians niu-iorkis 11
seqtembris teraqti gagaxsendeba
_ ra iyo es? dRemde xom ar gax-
snila da es xom is faqtia, ro-
melmac aSS-s saSualeba misca
mTel msoflioSi terorizmTan
mebrZolis mantia moesxa? da, rom
moisxa, ra qna? _ erTi meoris mi-
yolebiT aaala mTeli azia... da
mxolod azia?
parizSi rac moxda, es aris
eniT gamouTqmeli urva, magram
yvelafers xom aqvs winapiroba,
anu raRac kulminaciamde unda mi-
vides boroti (iSviaTad, magram an
keTili) qmedeba _ aSS Sevida
eraySi, libiaSi, avRaneTSi, saqar-
TveloSi, ukrainaSi; ver Sevida
iranSi, magram Sesvlas cdilobs
siriaSi da atexilia kakafonia
demokratiis saxeliT, arada, zo-
gan `sanavTobe omia~, zogan `geog-
rafiuli~ an `ise, prosto, gav-
lenis sferosTvis~...
umartivesia, siriaze vinc
wuxs, siria sirielebisgan ki ar
unda dacalos, piriqiT, mSvidoba
unda daamyaros... bolo-bolo, su-
lac araa Seni saqme ra xdeba si-
riaSi da iaraRiT (da fuliT) ar
unda exmarebode maradiuli qao-
sis mdgomarebis Seqmnas...
mZime mdgomareobaa msoflioSi
da mavans hgonia, mxolod safran-
geTs aqvs samZimari gamosacxadebe-
li...
giorgi CxeiZe
75 weli gavida mas Semdeg da ebraelebma
germanelebs aTiaTasjer moaxdevines
bodiSi... Cven, qarTvelebs, ratom ar gvaqvs
ufleba, `nacionalebs~ pasuxi movTxovoT
Cadenili danaSaulobebis gamo?!
6 gv.
5 gv.
teroristuli bumerangi
evropas xuTmagi
saltoTi daubrunda
9saerTo gazeTi#36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w.
`gia xuxaSvili, romelic
uceb gaqra Tvalsawieridan
da mTeli ori Tve kaciS-
vils ar daulandavs, uceb
gamoCnda TiTqmis yvela te-
learxze da yvela gazeTis
furclebze _ gulwrfeli
aRsarebis xasiaTze davdeqi
da bolomde minda yvelaferi
vTqvao. Tumca Tu gabriyvde-
bi da am `gulwrfel aRsa-
rebebs~ bolomde mousmen an
waikiTxav, mixvdebi, rom xu-
xaSvilma kidev erTxel gag-
vacura da aRsarebis nacv-
lad mikibul-mokibuli abda-
ubda da cudad SeniRbuli
demagogia SemogvaCeCa. erTma-
neTs miwyobili am `aRsare-
bebis~ seriebidan verafers
gaigeb _ ver gaigeb, sad iyo
xuxaSvili am ori Tu sami
Tvis ganmavlobaSi, ver gai-
geb, ratom dumda da ratom
ar Cndeboda arsad, ver gai-
geb, ra iyo misi moulodne-
li gauCinarebis mTavari mi-
zezi.
erTaderTi, rac am mra-
valricxovani interviuebi-
dan SeiZleba gaigo, isasa,
rom xuxaSvils Turme mtki-
ced aqvs gadawyvetili, po-
litikidan wavides.
vfiqrobT, aqac gvatyuebs
batoni xuxa _ is politiki-
dan wasvlas imitom apirebs,
rom wina karebidan gasuli
ukana karebidan Semovides.
amis dasturia is, rac man am
kargad organizebuli pia-
raqciiT gaakeTa. gia xuxaS-
vili am masiuri sainforma-
cio kontrSeteviT faqtob-
rivad dabrunda axal amplu-
aSi, axali funqciiT da axa-
li amocanebiT. man am Tavisi
moulodneli gamocxadebiT,
rogorc Cans, viRrac-viRa-
cebi gaafrTxila, rom xmebi
misi politikuri gardacva-
lebis Sesaxeb gadaWarbebu-
li iyo.
xuxaSvilis sarkofagidan
wamodgoma, albaT, bevrs ar
gauxardeba, gansakuTrebiT
imaT, romlebic Tavis droze
`xuxa faSas~ karze aTen-
aRamebdnen, rom misTvis aR-
sareba CaebarebinaT da zia-
reba mieRoT.
ar aris gamoricxuli,
bevrs eqces sananeblad xu-
xaSvilTan gamomJRavnebuli
gulaxdiloba da gulgaxsni-
loba, radgan maSin gandobi-
li saidumlo SeiZleba kom-
promatad da santaJis sagnad
eqceT. aravin icis, ra saxi-
faTo masalebiTaa gamoteni-
li xuxaSvilis skivri, ro-
melsac windaxeduli xuxa
`qarTuli ocnebis~ karze
`mRvdelmTavrad~ muSaobi-
sas, albaT, axal-axali do-
kumentebiT avsebda da Savi
dRisTvis inaxavda. xuxaS-
vilma, romelic mTeli
cxovreba yvela xelisufle-
bis derefnebsa da bnel
kuTxeebsi daborialobda, ra
Tqma unda, bevri ram icis da
Tu dasWirda, am codnas
sarfianadac gamoiyenebs.
mainc, sad apirebs `poli-
tikidan wasuli~ xuxaSvili
dabanakebas? SeiZleba vivara-
udoT, rom isic samoqalaqo
seqtorSi dadgams Tavis pa-
tara karavs da zed ostap
benderis msgavsad aseT abras
miakravs: `kompania rqebi da
Cliqebi~, rac imis mimaniSne-
beli iqneba, rom qoxSi
wvrilfexa da msxvilfexa
biznesmenTa waxerxili rqe-
bis da wamtvreuli Cliqebis
uZvirfasesi koleqciaa da-
sawyobebuli.
arc isaa gamoricxuli,
erT mSvenier dRes xuxaSvi-
li romelime axlad Seqmni-
li opoziciuri politikuri
partiis rigebSi vixiloT.
mokled rom vTqvaT, xu-
xaSvili ar daikargeba, rad-
gan moralisagan daclil
qarTul politikaSi yovel-
Tvis iqneba didi moTxovni-
leba xuxaSvilis yaidis ada-
mianebze.
xuxaSvili ar daikargeba,
magram ra eSvelebaT im ada-
mianebs, romelTa repitacia
da kariera, rogorc amboben,
xuxaSvilis gvelaZuobas Se-
ewira. koalicia `qarTuli
ocnebis~ kuluarebidan ga-
mosul informaciebs Tu da-
vujerebT, swored gia xu-
xaSvili iyo is kaci, vinc
mizanmimarTulad da gegma-
zomierad eweoda koaliciis
zogierTi wevris, agreTve
raRaciT miuRebeli sxva pi-
rovnebebis mizanmimarTul
diskreditacias da miznis
misaRwevad arafers ar Taki-
lobda _ arc ciliswamebas,
arc Worebis SeTiTxv-
nas, arc ararsebuli
`faqtebis~ gamogonebas.
es kaci avadaa da
fsiqiatrTan aris
wasayvani, _ Tqva
erTma pirovnebam,
romelmac saku-
Tar zurgze iwv-
nia xuxaSvilis
gvelaZuobis ambebi
_ marTalia, is xSi-
rad imeorebs, rom
yvela uyvars _ bi-
Zina ivaniSvili uy-
vars, irakli Rari-
baSvili uyvars,
margvelaSvili uy-
vars, magram ar da-
ijeroT es _ mas
siyvaruli ar SeuZ-
lia. is siZulvils
da undoblobas Te-
savs adamianebSi da
amas akeTebs ise,
rom TviTon ar
Cans. is aCrdiliviTaa _ Ti-
Tis anabeWdebs da nafexu-
rebs ar tovebs.
_ me ar maqvs saqarTve-
loSi biznesi, _ Tqva er-
Txel xuxaSvilma, magram is
ar dauzustebia, saqarTve-
loSi rom ar aqvs biznesi,
sxvagan sad aqvs? sazogado-
ebam unda icodes es, Torem
SeiZleba Camola-
borantebuli xu-
xaSvili kvlav
romelime xvreli-
dan da WuWruta-
nidan SemoJondes
da isev gaagrZe-
los Tavisi Zveli
saqmianoba _ gare-
mos mowamvla uc-
nobi qimiuri Se-
madgenlobis Sxa-
miT~.
minaweri: es
werili erTi
wlis winaT dai-
wera, Tumca ga-
moqveynebiT ar ga-
moqveynebula, ax-
la ki imitom ga-
davwyviteT misi
dabeWdva, rom we-
rilSi naTqvami yvela `wi-
naswarmetyveleba~ zedmi-
wevniT zustad axda.
gia xuxaSvili, ro-
melic ificeboda,
amieridan Cemi fexi
ar iqneba politika-
Sio, isev Semoilan-
da qarTuli politi-
kis orRobeebSi da par-
va-parviT Tavisi Zveli
megobris, gior-
gi margve-
l a S -
vilis `politqoxisken~ gas-
wia.
sityvam moitana da aqve
vityviT, rom rogorc ambo-
ben, swored gia xuxaSvili
iyo is kaci, vinc biZina iva-
niSvils prezidentobis yve-
lase saukeTeso kandidatad
giorgi margvelaSvili Ses-
Tavaza.
SeTavazeba ki iseTi icis
xuxaSvilma, kacs Tu SeuCnda,
pirdapir venaSi Sedis badagad
da fiandazad.
imdeni eCiCina Turme xuxaS-
vili ivaniSvils, imdeni epiTe-
ti dauxvava win margvelaSvi-
lis gansadideblad, rom bo-
losdabolos Tavisas miaRwia.
mxolod margvelaSviliT
ar mTavrdeba xuxaS-
vilis danato-
vari memkvid-
reoba _ mo-
arul xmebs
Tu davuje-
rebT, xu-
xaSvilma, Ta-
visi aRzevebis
periodSi, moasw-
ro da sxvadasxva
struqturebSi Tavisi kad-
rebi `Canerga~, romlebic
dRemde inarCuneben sapasuxism-
geblo postebs da arc Tavis
keTilismyofels toveben uyu-
radRebod...
wesiT da rigiT, xuxaSvi-
lis madlieri bevri unda
iyos, Tumca maT Soris gansa-
kuTrebiT madlieri albaT da-
viT kezeraSvilia, romlis
`piqselSic~ karga xans iyo
dabrZanebuli `meWurWleTuxu-
cesi~ xuxa, saidanac nair-nair
firmanebs gascemda.
miuxedavad Jurnalistebisa
da arasamTavrobo organizaci-
ebis warmomadgenelTa araerTi
mcdelobisa, rogorme gaerkvi-
aT, ratom ijda aTasgvar ko-
rufciasa da maqinaciebSi eWv-
mitanili kezeraSvilis Seno-
baSi biznesgaremos gasawmend-
gasasufTaveblad da biznesmen-
Ta dasaxmareblad gamwesebuli
xuxaSvili, pasuxi ar Canda.
xuxaSvili arc imaze ake-
Tebda komentarebs, Tu ras
fiqrobda da ra Sexedulebisa
iyo kezeraSvilze da ramdenad
Seesabameboda realobas xmebi
misi danasaulebrivi da ko-
rufciuli saqmianobis Sesaxeb.
xuxaSvilma mxolod maSin
amoidga ena da mxolod mas
Semdeg daiwyo kezeraSvilis
`mxileba~, roca kezeraSvilis
TviTmfrinavma ukve israelis
cis laJvardebSi Secura da
amieridan ukan midevnebuli
lampariviT dadevnebuli xu-
xaSvilis qoqola verafers
daaklebda.
asea Tu isea, xuxaSvili, es
ukve meramdened, dabrunda, mis
dabrunebas ki yovelTvis usi-
amovno ambebi mohyveba kvakl-
dakval.
xuxaSvili dabrunda _ es
ki imis niSania, rom qarTul
politikaSi SeiZleba amindi
airios...
giorgi gamezardaSvili
`sarkofagidan
dgeba mumia...~
10 saerTo gazeTi #36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w.
`qronika+~-is redaqtorma
eliso kilaZem sabolood Camo-
ixsna niRabi da `nacmoZraobis~
aqtiur mxardamWerad da misi
Sav-bneli saqmeebis `gampraveb-
lad~ mogvevlina.
dRes ukve aravis epareba eW-
vi, rom eliso kilaZe, romelic
erTi periodi `qarTuli ocne-
bis~ erTgul mokavSi-
red asaRebda Tavs, swo-
red rom `nacionalebis~
faruli mokavSire iyo
da maT davalebebs asru-
lebda da asrulebs
dRemde.
sazogadoeba aRSfo-
Tebas ver malavs eka kve-
sitaZis gadacema `gansx-
vavebul aqcentebSi~ pa-
timarTa wamebis, gaupati-
urebis da araadamianuri
mopyrobis cnobili faq-
tebis yalb da dadgmul
speqtaklad gamocxadebis
gamo, magram bevrs ra-
tomRac yuradRebis miR-
ma rCeba am gadacemis mTa-
vari gmiri, mTavari wya-
ro eliso kilaZe,romlis mier mowodebul
masalebzea agebuli mTe-
li es gadacema.
ra masalebia es da
ris damtkicebas cdi-
lobs q-ni eliso am ma-
salebiT?
Turme nu ityviT da
patimarTa sadisturi
wamebis da gaupatiure-
bis Tavzardamcemi faqtebi mo-
gonili yofila da yovelive
amas lado bedukaZe dgamdabiZina ivaniSvilis dakveTiT.
`gansxvavebuli aqcentebis~
eTerSi gasvlis Semdeg mixe-il saakaSvili odesidan Se-
moexmiana saqarTvelos da ga-
badruli saxiT gvamcno: _ xom
xedavT, tyuils rom gvigonebd-
nen da patimarTa wamebis da ga-
upatiurebis ambebi ciliswameba
rom iyoo?
ai, ra fasdaudebel samsa-
xurs uwevs q-ni eliso `nacmoZ-
raobis~ kriminalur reJims da
mainc Tavmdablobs: _ me ra Su-
aSi varo?
SuaSi ki ara TavSi iyaviT
Tqven yovelTvis, qalbatono
eliso, TavSi iyaviT da Tavgzas
ubnevdiT `qarTuli ocnebis~
mesveurebsa da mTel sazogado-
ebas, maSinac, roca viTom `qar-
Tul ocnebaSi~ Canergil agen-
tebs `amxeldiT~ da maTi agen-
tobis damadasturebel `doku-
mentebs beWdavdiT Tqvens ga-
zeTSi.
maSin aravis ukiTxavs Tqven-
Tvis, rogor SeiZleboda aRmo-
Ceniliyo Tqvens xelT agento-
bis damadasturebeli dokumen-
tebi (Tu aseTi ram saerTod
arsebobda bunebaSi), romlebic,
wesiT da rigiT, saxelmwifo
struqturebis seifebSi unda
yofiliyo Caketili?
arc is ukiTxavT TqvenTvis,
vin gawvdidaT im masalebs, rom-
lebic gasajaroebas ar eqvemde-
bareboda?
dRemde ucnobia sazogadoe-
bisTvis, vin gavalebdaT sxva-
dasxva cru informaciebis da
`winaswarmetyvelebebis~ gavrce-
lebas konkretulad biZinaivaniSvilze, romelic erTi-
orjer sikvdilsac ki `gadaar-
CineT~ Turme, Tumca Tqvens mi-
ed `gadarCenil~ adamians dRes
sxva meTodebiT cdilobT wyali
SeuyenoT.
xelisuflebis warmomadge-
nelTa Soris undoblobis da
SuRlis Camogdeba, adamianebis
dapirispireba, sazogadoebis
rRveva da gaxleCa _ ai, es aris
Tqveni `Jurnalisturi~ saqmia-
nobis mTavari mizani, Tumca arc
amis gamo gigiaT jerjerobiT
pasuxi.
Tqven saocrad hgavxarT
Tqvens megobrebs `nacmoZraobi-
dan~ _ maTsaviT iseTi sicrue
SeiZleba daabrexvoT, Tvalsac
ki ar daaxamxamebT, iseTi sibin-
Zureebi SegiZliaT mougonoT
adamianebs, Sublis ZarRvic ki
ar SegitokdebaT.
Tqven da `nacionalebi~, ro-
gorc Cans, erT `SkolaSi~ ga-
diodiT treningebs...
im CakvaraxWinebul-CamaryuJe-
bul saqmeebs, romlebsac Tqven
waRma-ukuRma atrialebT, ar Se-
iZleba erTi adamiani moerios,
rac gvafiqrebinebs, rom Tqven
adamianTa raRac jgufTan erTad
moqmedebT da kargad mofiqrebu-
li sqemiT did fuls akeTebT.
arc amaze mogdavebiaT jer-
jerobiT vinme, magram tyuilad
xarT gaTamamebuli dausjelo-
bis sindromiT _ yvelaferi mo-
gekiTxebaT, yvela Tqveni bneli
saidumlo gaixsneba da sazoga-
doeba aucileblad ixilavs
Tqvens namdvil saxes _ saSiSs
da saxifaTos qarTuli saxelm-
wifosTvis.
mova amis dro, garwmunebT,
male mova, manamde ki koka yan-diaSvilis sityvebs Sevaxse-
neb mkiTxvelebs, romlebic man
Tqveni misamarTiT amaswinaT
Tqva:
2012 wlis arCevnebi rom
ara, saqarTvelos mosaxleobas
kidev didi xnis ganmavlobaSi
ar ecodineboda im X–adamia-
nebis saxelebi da maTi
„damsaxureba“ qveynis, erisa
da beris winaSe, romelTac
sruliad saqarTvelo gadaar-
Cines.
marTalia es X-adamianebi,
eqim mengeles tyupebis sof-
lidan, ver arian ise Zliere-
bi, rogorc mengeles gauxar-
deboda da amitomac srulyo-
filad ar da verc floben
unars, daaprogramon sxva
adamianebi da miiRon sasurve-
li Sedegi, magram maT mainc
SeZles, naxevrad ganviTarebuli
X-adamianis SesaZleblobis pi-
robebSi mieqciaT sazogadoebis
yuradReba, raSic didi wvlili
ganvlil 9-wlian reJims da mis
beladebs miuZRviT.
eliso kilaZe mengeles X-
adamianebis ganuviTarebeli Se-
degi, ganuviTareblebs Soris
SedarebiT `niWieri~ qalia. man
Zalian kargad icis, rodis vis
karze imsaxuros, rogor arios
situacia, rogor itivtivos da
saWiro dros wamebulis imijiT,
rogor miatovos arasasurveli
garemo. magaliTisTvis guberna-
tor kako boboxiZesTan mi-
si samsaxuric gamodgeba, Tumca,
boboxiZemde eliso kilaZe edp-
s rigebSi trialebda da im pe-
riodSi edp-s rigebSi myof par-
tiulebs Zalian kargad axsovs,
gia Wanturiam vin miavlina
quTaisSi davalebiT moeSorebi-
naT „es qali edp-sTvis“. isic
yvelas kargad axsovs vin mfar-
velobda am qals edp-Si da ra-
tom, magram es ar aris mTavari
da arc is mengeles X-adamiani
kilaZe rogor moxvda badripatarkaciSvilis StabSi
da rogor „daalaga“ iq situa-
cia, saintereso arc isaa, ro-
gor da ratom, visi rekomenda-
ciiT dauaxlovda mengeles X-
adamiani kilaZe badri patarka-
ciSvilis Stabs da arc is, bad-
ri patarkaciSvilis daudgenel
viTarebaSi gardacvalebis
(mkvlelobis!!) mTavar „Semoq-
meds“ irakli koduasojaxs, mTavari isaa rom menge-
les X-adamiani kilaZe 2012
wlis arCevnebis Semdeg iqca
axal hibridul zonder-Jurna-
listad, romelsac zurgs is
adamiani umagrebs (mamas eZaxis),
romelic 9 aprilis aqciis mo-
nawileebis daxvretis ideis av-
toria!
mengeles X-adamiani kilaZe
tyupebis soflidan, karga xnis
ganmavlobaSi trabaxobda, rom
man SeunarCuna qarTul poli-
tikaSi 2011 wels Semosul bi-
Zina ivaniSvils sicocxle. es
marazmi karga xans gagrZelde-
boda, rom ara ivaniSvilis kiT-
xva, vinaa es qalio...
kilaZes Zalian „gautyda“
„umaduroba“ da marazmatikis
axal ganzomilebaSi gadavida,
biZina ivaniSvilis mrCevlad da-
iniSna Tavi da „Citis“ yovel
„mofrenaze“ „Citebs“ „aaf-
rens“ xolme: ariqa, biZina
ivaniSvilma Cemi rCeva ga-
iTvaliswinao. ra Tqma un-
da, „Citi“ sazogadoebriv
sawyisebze iZleva rCevebs
da sul ar elodeba „mad-
liani rCevebis“ sanacvlod
samagieros, is da misi oja-
xi xom mTeli cxovreba sa-
zogadoebriv sawyisebze
„muSaoben“. kilaZes Tu da-
vujerebT, mas arasdros
uTxovia arc erTi xeli-
suflebisaTvis araferi,
magram iyo pres-samsaxuris
ufrosi nacionalebis dros
(axla albaT ityvis, roca
davinaxe, rac iyvnen, wamo-
vedio), hqonda jarTis biz-
nesi, iyo intrigebis deda-
dedofali (rasac quTaisSi
nebismieri gamvleli rom
gaaCeroT, getyviT), sxva-
dasxva dros hyavda sxva-
dasxva politikosi megobari,
romlebsac viTarebis mixedviT
icvlida. mengeles X-adamian ki-
laZes arasdros araferi uTxo-
via xelisuflebisaTvis, piri-
qiT Tavisi „obieqturi Citoma-
niiT“ „ocnebelebis“ gaRviZebas
Seawyvita nervebi, magram roca
misi „gmiri“ qmari erTxel
ukonkursod daniSnes momsaxu-
reobis saagentoSi, ar gaupro-
testebia. „RvTis wyalobad“ mi-
iCnia rogorc Cans, samTviani va-
dis amowurvis Semdeg isev rom
daniSnes, isev ukonkursod, arc
es gauprotestebia. ekuTvnoda
da imitom! natanji ojaxi hyavs,
arasdros uRalatiaT principe-
bisTvis, amitom ekuTvniT da er-
gebaT... gazeTSi dawera: diaxac,
konvertiT vurigeb Jurnalis-
tebs fulso da finansuri po-
licia arc dainteresebula,
SemTxveviT biujets gadasaxa-
debs xom ar umalavso. ki, gaze-
Tis 500 egzemplari, SeiZleba
ar eqvemdebareba gadasaxadebs,
magram gana ra Semosavali aqvs
mciretiraJian gazeTs amdeni,
„yvelaze maRalanazRaurebadi
redaqcia“ rom aris? saidan mo-
dis finansebi, „Citebs“ moaqvT,
„yvavebs“ Tu „gadayvavebulebs“?
ramdeni mama da maminacvali
hyavs mengeles X-adamian kila-
Zes?
aris aseTi programireba -
Teta-programireba, romelic mi-
marTulia zebunebrivi unarebis
Seqmnisken, rogoricaa, magali-
Tad, telepatia. es avatari Cve-
ulebriv gamoiyeneba X adamiane-
bis mier, raTa upiratesoba hqon-
deT magram, radgan adamianebi
SezRudulni arian unarebSi, gan-
sakuTrebiT ki zebunebrivSi, MK-
Ultra-s adeptebi dasaprograme-
bel pacientebs unergavdnen bio-
samedicino telemetriul mowyo-
bilobebs (tvinis implantebi,
mikrotalRuri gamosxivebis da-
samiznebeli lazerebi da sxva).
saqme isaa, rom kilaZe am prog-
ramis uniWo gamoxatulebacaa...
Sav magias Tavi davaneboT da
realobas davubrundeT: ivaniS-
vilTan misasvleli yvela gza
roca moeWra, kilaZe axal etap-
ze gadavida da gaqafuli cdi-
lobda, warsulSi araerTxel
gamoyenebuli meTodiT gzidan
CamoeSorebina mowinaaRmdegeni,
risTvisac modaSi Semosuli
socialuri qseli feisbuqi ga-
moiyena. man feisbuqSi Seqmna e.w.
trolebi da samizned amoirCia
erT-erTi Jurnalisti, rome-
lic iZulebuli gaxda, feisbu-
qis sakuTar gverdze 2011 wlis
26 Tebervals zonder-Jurna-
list kilaZisTvis posti mieZR-
vna:
„feisbuqelebi“ udaod Sea-
wuxa im lanZRva-ginebam, ro-
melsac qalbatoni levan kva-
racxelia, igive batoni eliso
kilaZe ase uxvad afrqveven Cemi
misamarTiT. bevri ver gaerkva,
ra xdeba da mekiTxeba, – raSia
saqme. saqme imaSia, rom qalba-
toni eliso kilaZe gaxlavT
konstituciuri usafrTxoebis
dacvis departamentis faruli
TanamSromeli da misi koduri
saxelia „nukri“. „obieqtivma“
kilaZe daaxloebiT sami kviris
win amxila gazeT „qronikaSi“.
qalbatoni nukri Semogzavnilia
opoziciaSi. kerZod, rusuli
orientaciis arasamTavrobo or-
mengeles X adamiani
eliso kilaZe`tyupebis soflidan~
11saerTo gazeTi#36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w.
ganizaciaSi, romelic `Tavisu-
fali azris saxlis~ saxelwo-
debiTaa cnobili. Cveni „gmiri“
am dawesebulebaSi siamovnebiT
iRebs rusul xelfass da „Ta-
sis“ tribunidan opoziciis
“lustracias” eweva. sinamdvi-
leSi ki, qalbatoni kilaZe,
cils swamebs opoziciis sxva-
dasxva liderebs, monawileobs
sxvadasxva saxis provokaciebSi.
swored am adamianebis inspiri-
rebulia burjanaZe-gaCeCilaZis
skandali da mis Sesaxeb Cven
`qronikaSi~ vwerdiT. vis ar da-
etaka qalbatoni `nukri~... TiT-
qmis yvela opoziciuri partii-
sa da organizaciis warmomadge-
nels. maT Soris, erTmaneTis
konkurentebs. ra ar daabrala...
tragediaa, rodesac kudis Ta-
namSromeli eliso kilaZe ada-
mianebs vanos agentobaSi aqeT
adanaSaulebs... tragediaa, roca
rusul xelfasze myofi `nukri~
ruseTis agentobas gabralebs...
tragediaa, roca eliso, igive
nukri, profesiiTa da mowode-
biT „stukaCi“ da „CamSvebi“ Sen-
ze ambobs,- CamSvebiao... da tra-
gediaa, roca suliTa da xor-
ciT kaxpa- eliso, igive levani,
uwesobaSi gadanaSaulebs, anu
wesierebaze is adamiani gelapa-
rakeba, romlis quTaisuri fa-
Terakebic aravisTvisaa saidum-
lo. mokled, saakaSvilis me-
xotbe da gubernator boboxi-
Zis xelis gogo (kilaZis sayva-
reli termini!) umwikvlo opo-
zicionerad mogvevlina. hoda,
„obieqtivis“ mier mxilebulma,
gawbilebulma da damacxebulma
elisom, romelic sajarod gva-
furTxebda, jer Cumad SemomiT-
vala,- Tavi damanebe da mec gav-
Cumdebio, mere „feisbuqSic“
momwera (oRond ise, rom 10
kacze mets ar waekiTxa),- sxve-
bis gamo Cavebi am brZolaSi.
Sevwyvet brZolas, oRondac Ta-
vi damanebeTo. akvirdebiT, az-
rovnebis ra simaxinjesTan
gvaqvs saqme?!... adamiani sajarod
glanZRavs, cils gwamebs, udana-
Saulos - gafurTxebs, binZur
tyuils hyveba Senze da mere
Cumad geubneba, - aRar gvinda
Cxubi, erTmaneTs nuRar davar-
tyamT, rac cili gwame, migewe-
bos da amiT icxovreo... cxadia,
araviTari garigeba kudTan da
kilaZesTan ar Sedgeba. maTi mxi-
lebis procesi gagrZeldeba.
gawbilebulma da gamJRavnebul-
ma qalbatonma elisom ki, ci-
liswamebis axal, gacilebiT
binZur formebs mimarTa - pirad
Seuracxyofaze gadavida. axali
avatari - levan kvaracxelia
Seqmna da misi piridan yovel-
gvar sibinZures afrqvevs. or
kompiuterTan erTdroulad
zis. Tan Cven gvlanZRavs, Tan, -
sakuTari avataris lanZRva-gine-
bas komentars ukeTebs... eSxSi
rom Sedis, aviwydeba, rom leva-
ni kacia (ufro sworad, - ara-
kaci)... sqesi ereva da, rogoc
mandilosani, ise gvesaubreba.
mokled, vfiqrob, yvelasTvis
yvelaferi gasagebia... magram un-
da vuTxra baton eliso kila-
Zes, igive qalbaton levan kva-
racxelias, igive kudis TanamS-
romel nukris, rom mixeil saa-
kaSvilis bandas male CamovarT-
mevT mitacebul xelisuflebas
da Sen da Seni xelmZRvaneloba
swored im saknebSi aRmoCndebiT,
sadac axla Cveni Zmebi gyavT ga-
momwyvdeuli. mere ki ikbenT
gvelis enaze, magram gvian iqne-
ba. geubnebiT: cilismwamebelo
eSmakiSvilebo, TqvenTvis RvTis
risxvis dro dgeba! axla sazo-
gadoebis yuradReba minda axal
provokaciaze gavamaxvilo, ro-
melsac kudi batoni levanis,
gnebavT, qalbatoni elisos pi-
riT ukve axmovanebs. albaT, gax-
sovT, 2009 wlis masobrivi mi-
tingebis periodSi ra Savi fia-
ri augora xelisuflebam bad-ri biwaZes. gaixseneT tele-
siuJetebi, biwaZes xan xelke-
tian kriminalad, xan-narkomanad,
xan- quCis saknebSi SeyuJuli
viTom narkomanebis mfarvelad
warmogvidgendnen... saerTod, ko-
kainze mjdomi diqtatori, nar-
komaniis motiviT, xalxs cixeSi
rom svams, am ubedurebas ukve
SeveCvieT. axla axal serias
vuyurebT: saerTaSoriso narko-
kartelis partniori reJimi
cdilobs narkodileris iar-
liyi opozicias miakeros. bad-
ri biwaZe kvlav kudis mizanSia!
mas axla ,rogorc sazRvris
dacvis eqs-xelmZRvanels, nar-
kogadamzidavebis mfarvelobaSi
daadanaSauleben. am spec-opera-
ciaSi qalbatoni eliso, igive
nukric miiRebs monawileobas.
sxva fsevdo-Jurnalistebic mi-
iReben monawileobas. gamo-
ricxuli ar aris, rom msgavsi
sibinZure opoziciis sxva lide-
rebsac daabralon... magram spec-
operaciis yvela monawiles un-
da axsovdes, rom TiToeul ci-
liswamebaze da usindiso
braldebaze maT pasuxisgeba mo-
uwevT“.
Tavs ar SegawyenT imiT Tu
rogor cdilobda kvaracxelia
kilaZisa daemtkicebina, rom is
kacia da ara qali, magram am
„aurzauridan salxineTSi“ arc
Tu ise didi dro gavida da men-
geles X-adamiani kilaZe tyupe-
bis soflidan, im telearxis
eTerSi vixileT, romlis mflo-
bels da damaarsebels ase una-
musod wamebda cils da lan-
ZRavda. am fonze sulac ar mik-
virs, Cems mimarT kilaZis agre-
sia. me koduebis danaSaulSi
vamxel, kilaZe ki am danaSaulis
gadafarvas cdilobs da Zalian
mewyineboda, mengeles X-adamiani
kilaZes tyupebis soflidan,
Cems mimarT simpatia gasCenoda!
sxvaTa Soris, kilaZis mcde-
loba ukureaqcias iwvevs da
xalxs swored im adamianebis
sjera, visac kilaZe talaxSi
svris! amitomaa rom Sxami tvin-
ze moawva da amitomaa, rom ke-
del-kedel dadis da Tavs ur-
tyams klaviaturas!!!
dabolos, arsebobs aseTi
programa omega-programa - al-
ter-ego, romelic mimarTulia
TviTganadgurebisken, suicidis-
ken, suicidaluri qmedebisken.
frTxilad mengeles X-adamiano
kilaZe tyupebis soflidan, ner-
vebma ar gimtyunos da omega-
programa ar CagerTos!!!
nacionalebma Zalian kargad
ician sityvis Zalis fasi da
amitom, rodesac 2012 wlis ar-
Cevnebis Semdeg opoziciaSi aR-
moCndnen, axali xelisuflebis
politikuri nabiji e.w. kohabi-
tacia gamoiyenes sakuTari po-
litikuri gvamis gasacocxleb-
lad da ra Tqma unda, „saqmis
awyoba“ im nacadi gziT scades,
rac beladma mixeil saakaSvil-
ma „daagemovnebinaT“ da „ander-
Zad dautovaT“. magram aq iyo
erTi didi problema - xalxma
Zalian kargad icoda realurad
„gamarjvebuli xalxis televi-
zia“ da sxva danamatebi, vis
dakrulze cekvavdnen, amitom
saWiro gaxda „axali sisxli“
da... ase daiwyo „samba“!!
2012 wlis arCevnebis Semdeg
Jurnalisturi cis kabadonze
gamoCnda vinme eliso kilaZe,
romelic cdilobs qarTul
JurnalistikaSi daamkvidros
Jurnalistis axali hibridi,
rasac jer saxeli ar hqvia! es
usaxelo hibridi aris Tavad
eliso kilaZe da mis zurgs
ukan mdgomi koduebis klani!
gvamebis Semgrovebeli, Zebnili
irakli koduas coli Sav muSe-
bad, Savi saqmeebis sakeTeblad
iyenebs eliso kilaZes, zustad
ise, rogorc Tavis droze mas
iyenebda mixeil saakaSvili vano
merabiSvilis xeliT, eliso ki-
laZe Tavis mxriv iyenebs im ada-
mianebs, visac kompromatebis ga-
moqveynebiT aSantaJebs da aravin
ekiTxeba kilaZes saidan aqvs mas
es „sityvis Zala“! eliso ki-laZe utevs yvelas, vinc mas
gzaze gadaeRobeba! ase moxvdnen
misi „gamWriaxi Tvalis“ samiz-
neSi JurnalistTa erTi jgufi,
politikosebi da Tqven warmo-
idgineT, rigiTi adamianebic ki.
eliso kilaZisaTvis vano mera-
biSvilis agentia, yvela, vinc
nanuka JorJolianisa da
irakli koduas realur sa-
xes sajarod gmobs da am dros
aviwydeba misive gazeTSi gamoq-
veynebuli erT-erTi interviu,
sadac respondenti ambobs ro-
gor Seqmna vano merabiSvilma
erTi media-saSualeba kud-is ba-
zaze da rom es media-saSualeba
„Rrmad daSifruli“ brZanebiT
ayvanili iqna Sss-s kontrolq-
veS! kilaZis „saqmianobis“ mi-
xedviT, gasakviri araa, ratom
megobrobs is vano merabiSvilis
dafuZnebul gamocemasTan da ra-
tom aviwydeba am SemTxvevaSi va-
nos arseboba! saqme isaa, rom va-
no merabiSvili ar mowons irak-
li koduas, amitom gaxda eli-
so kilaZis samizne merabiSvi-
li-maisuraZisa!
ratom daaviwyda eliso ki-
laZes irakli koduas „saqmeni
sagmironi“? bolos da bolos,
kilaZe xom „disidentic“ iyo
da „idevneboda“ badri patarka-
ciSvilis gamo da imis gamo rom
is patarkaciSvilis pres-samsa-
xuris ufrosi iyo. rogorc
Tavad ambobs, swored ami-
tom idevneboda da rogor
gavigoT axla kilaZes mex-
sierebaSi arsebuli Cavard-
na? rogoraa saqme, mxolod
badri patarkaciSvils us-
worebda angariSebs kodua
da badris garemocvasTan
kargi urTierToba hqonda?
maSin ra gamodis? eliso-
nukri badrisTan Canergili
iyo Tu badrimac icoda rom
mteri hyavda pres-samsaxu-
ris ufrosi da amas gagebiT
ekideboda? erTxel vTqvi
da kidev gavimeoreb, badri
patarkaciSvilis Stabis
wevrebi ras laparakoben da
riTi xsnian ofisidan fu-
lis gaqrobas, riTi xsnian
aTasobiT adamianis uxelfa-
sod darCenas, es sxva sakiTxia,
Tumca aq Zalian sainteresoa
erTi detali: maSin, roca saa-
kaSvilis reJimi sastikad gaus-
worda badri patarkaciSvils,
adeiSvilma ar gamoiyena saqmis
gasamyareblad adamianebis
moTxovna _ gadaexadaT maTTvis
dapirebuli xelfasi. arada,
yvelgan gaJRerda, rom badrim
fuli gadmoricxa. Stabis wev-
rebma ki sxvadasxva dros mice-
mul interviuebSi ganacxades,
fuli badris ojaxma waiRoo. am
sabanko operaciebiTac aravin
dainteresebula da arc imiT,
rogor SeiZleboda fuli gamq-
raliyo, Tavad patarkaciSvilis
ojaxma ki mavanTa gamoxtomebi
Ciradac ar Caagdo. swored ami-
T isargebla kilaZem da im ada-
mianebma, visac xalxis winaSe
pasuxismgebloba ekisrebodaT
da saqmidan Tavi „koxtad daiZ-
vrines“. kidev vimeoreb, es sxva
sakiTxia, aq mTavari axla am mo-
mentSi kilaZis „saxecvlile-
baa“. ratom mxolod kilaZe? ax-
la isaa koduas Savi muSa da is
cdilobs sazogadoebaSi daner-
gos antisaxelmwifoebrivi gan-
wyoba! swored is da misi wre
akeTebs yvelafers, rom qveyana
rogorme miiyvanos 2003 wlis
noembris mdgomareobamde,
oRond axla kilaZes misi dam-
finanseblebisagan gansxvavebiT,
xelSi vardebi ara, sxva ram
ukavia da es sxva e.w. komproma-
tebia, is Canawerebi, romelic
koduam waiRo qveynidan da ro-
melsac lukma-lukma isvris vi-
Tarebis Sesabamisad, vin rodis
da ra doziT amoiRebs xmas. ki-
laZe ityvis da swored is sai-
ti aitacebs pirveli „skan-
dals“, romelic Tavis droze
vano merabiSvilis xeldasmiT
Seiqmna da amas me ar vambob, Ta-
vad kilaZis gazeTSi ewera! da
Tu kilaZe ityvis, rom mas Se-
eZlo masala ar gaeSva, maSin
daxedos gazeTs, daxedos Ta-
riRs, mere gulSi Caixedos da
gaixsenos rodidan gaxda misi
daqali nanuka JorJolia-ni!
kilaZe acxadebs, rom misi
redaqcia (Tavissave statiaSi
wers) Jurnalistebs yvelaze
maRal xelfass uxdis. iuristi
kilaZe Tavis statiaSi adastu-
rebs, rom Jurnalists (erTs
adasturebs, sxvasac daadastu-
rebs, imedia) konvertiT uxdida
xelfass. samarTlebriv enaze am
aReb-micemobas ra hqvia yvelam
viciT, magram cota ucnauria,
ratom ar dainteresda aravin am
faqtiT?!! faqtiurad gazeTis
redaqtori adasturebs, rom sa-
xelmwifos gadasaxads umalavda
(Tundac erT SemTxvevaSi) da
metic, me, piradad, gonivruli
eWvis safuZvelze vambob, rom
kilaZe Sav fuls aTeTrebs! es
araa danaSauli? bunebrivia, da-
ismeba kiTxva - vin dgas kila-
Zis zurgs ukan?! kilaZes, Cemi
gonivruli eWvis safuZvelze,
xalxSi moaruli xmebis gaTva-
liswinebiT, afinansebs koduas
ojaxi da zurgs umagrebs, arc
meti arc naklebi erTi Zveli
partiuli muSaki, romelsac
Turme kilaZe „mamas“ da „moxu-
cs“ eZaxis.
cota xnis win im adamianebma,
vinc `mamas~ Zalian kargad icno-
ben Tavisi warsuliTa da awmyo-
Ti, miTxres, rom male „moxuci“
axal partiaSi mogvevlineba da
am axali partiis wevrebic Camo-
miTvales. ai, Zalian maintere-
sebs kilaZe am partiis Camoya-
libebis Semdeg rogor axsnis
putinis lanZRvas? rogor Caxe-
davs putins eliso TvalebSi,
roca misi „moxuci mama“ swore-
dac rom sakuTari politikuri
gvamis reikarnacias putiniste-
biT Seecdeba!!
me velodebi Cems ga-mowvevaze pasuxs elisokilaZisagan: modixar Tuara eliso-nukri Seniojaxis wevrebTan erTadnarkologiurSi, sadac meCemi ojaxis wevrebTan er-Tad dagxvdebi?!
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interviu gldanis iveriis
yovladwmida RmrTismSoblis
eklesiis winamZRvarTan mama
basil mkalaviSvilTan
_ mama basil, didi xani
ar aris, rac mZime operacia
gadaitaneT. rogoria Tqveni
janmrTelobis mdgomareoba?
_ saxeliTa mamisaTa da
Zisa da sulisa wmidisaTa.
CvenTan ars RmerTi.
Tqven met-naklebad iciT
Cemi ganvlili cxovreba, ro-
gor vebrZodi usamarTlobas,.
rogorc mTavrobis warmomad-
genlebTan, aseve sapatriar-
qos wiaRSi mokalaTebul
uRirs sasuliero pirebTan.
swored es iyo mizezi imisa,
rom bevrjer scades Cemi
likvidacia. ramdenimejer ga-
taceba, Tavdasxmebi, devni-
lobaSi gatarebuli wlebi,
rac mTavaria, saakaSvilis
sisxliani reJimis dros ci-
xeSi gatarebuli 5 weli. yo-
velive amis fonze marTlac
seriozulad Semerya janmr-
Teloba, Tumca me RmerTsa
var mindobili da yovel gan-
sacdels Cveulebrivad
vxvdebi. amjerad marTlac
urTulesi operacia gadavi-
tane. 3 oqtombers eklesiis
gumbaTis xaraCoze muSaobis
dros Tavi SeuZlod vigrZe-
ni. saswrafo gamoiZaxes, xa-
raCoebidan Camomiyvanes da
me-5 klinikur saavadmyofoSi
gadamiyvanes. visargebleb Sem-
TxveviT da Tqveni gazeTis
saSualebiT madlobas gada-
vuxdi kardiolog vaxtangTeTraZes da profesor
nugzar elizbaraS-vils, CafiZis saxelobis
gadaudebeli kardiologiis
centris qirurgs baton la-Sa basilaZes. maTi profe-sionalizmis wyalobiT, me
kvlav fexze vdgavar. vagrZe-
leb mkurnalobas da Sromas.
unda giTxraT, bevrjer
Camixedavs sikvdilisTvis
TvalebSi, magram amjerad
saqme sxvagvarad iyo. opera-
ciis Semdeg kvlav narkozis
zemoqmedebis qveS viyavi. uc-
baT yrud Camesma: `mama basi-
li kvdeba~, `yvelani gareT
gaiyvaneT reanimaciuli gan-
yofilebidan~ (albaT, ar un-
dodaT, sxvas eyurebina Cemi
sikvdilisTvis). Semdeg Cemi
suli ganSorda sxeuls da
zemodan davyurebdi, rogor
damtrialebdnen Tavs eqimebi,
raTa gadaverCineT. am dros
datrialda niavqari, romel-
sac avyavdi zecad, vxedavdi
Cems irgvliv marmarilos
msgavs Rrublebs, rogorc
aSenebul kedlebs. roca ze-
caSi avedi, movxvdi Cveni ek-
lesiis gumbaTis xaraCoebze.
Sevxede gumbaTs da tirili
daviwye, rameTu vuwyodi,
saqmis gamgrZelebeli aravin
iyo. tirilsa da moTqmaSi
viyavi, rom uceb kvlav dat-
rialda niavi da dabla da-
veSvi Cem sxeulTan, kvlav
vuyurebdi, rogor fusfuseb-
dnen eqimebi Cemi sxeulis
garSemo. moxda ise, rac
RmerTs eneba da ai, me kvlav
TqvenTan var.
_ marTlac saocari faq-
ti miambeT...
mamao, sayovelTaod cno-
bilia Tqveni mxardaWera
`qarTuli ocnebis~ xelisuf-
lebis mimarT. dRes rogori
damokidebuleba gaqvT arse-
buli xelisuflebis mimarT?
_ Cemi mravalricxovani
mrevliT araTu mxars vuWer-
diT `qarTul ocnebas~, ara-
med 1000-mde kaci saarCevno
StabebSi myavda CarTuli,
raTa qarTvelTmoZule saa-
kaSvili mogvecilebina. qarT-
velma erma marTlac sruli
ndoba gamoucxada maT. me, pi-
radad, Cemi interviuebiT
vafrTxilebdi baton biZina
ivaniSvils, vinme sasuliero
piri aeyvana mrCevlad, rome-
lic daexmareboda gansakuT-
rebiT rTuli sakiTxebis ga-
dawyvetaSi. iseTi sasuliero
piri, romelic axlos aris
xalxTan da esmis maTi gu-
listkivili. man yurad ar
iRo rCeva da SeiZleba iTq-
vas, respublikuri partia
gaxda mmarTveli Zala.
rac Seexeba imas, rom Cve-
ni damokidebuleba Seicvala
Tu ara Cveni eklesiis
damrbev respublikel-
Ta mimarT, gipasuxebT:
imas, rasac RmerTi ar
patiobs ukeTurTa, me,
romelmac Cemi janmr-
Teloba mivuZRveni sa-
marTlianobis aRdge-
nas, vapatieb? sasjels
me ki ara ufali mia-
gebs TiToeul CvenTa-
gans damsaxurebisamebr.
_ axlaxan mama bar-
Tlomem (fircxalaiS-
vilma) mixeil saakaS-
vili dawyevla. ekle-
siaSi arian mRvdlebi,
mRvdelmTavrebi, rom-
lebic piriqiT, loca-
ven saakaSvils, rogor
uyurebT am faqts?
_ WeSmarit RmrTis msa-
xurs ufali avalebs RmrTis
mgmobeli gadasces anaTemas.
sasuliero pirTa araerTgva-
rovani damokidebuleba sa-
xelmwifos mmarTvel ama Tu
im pirTa mimarT yovelTvis
iyo. Cven kargad viciT is sa-
suliero ierarqebi saakaSvi-
lis kalTas Sefarebulni pi-
radi interesebidan gamomdi-
nare, masze rom loculobd-
nen. me maT materialistebs
davarqmevdi, romlebic mxo-
lod fufunebaze fiqroben,
rac yovlad miuRebelia
RvTis msaxurTagan. yvelas
gvaxsovs, qarTuli eklesiis
mesaWe saakaSvils saxelovan
prezidentad moixseniebda.
is sasuliero pirni, rom-
lebic `ocnebas~ uWerdnen
mxars, kerZod, ivaniSvils,
niSandoblivia, rom maT, ro-
gorc eris umetes nawils,
imedi hqonda 9-wliani fa-
Sisturi reJimis Secvlisa.
is, vinc orives locaven, me
maT medroveebs davarqmevdi,
romlebic nebismier mTavro-
bas ukmeven gundruks. es me-
tad ukiduresi formaa, rame-
Tu am kategoriis pirT, sam-
wuxarod, ara aqvT simarT-
lisa da WeSmaritebis aRqmis
unari. TumcaRa, sabolood,
xalxis pirobebi arafriT
icvleba. kvlav moqmedebs xe-
lisuflebis cvlis Cveuli
stili: danayrebulni midian,
mSierni modian da a.S.
_ mamao basil, stalinis
Zeglis aRdgenasTan dakavSi-
rebiT diskusiebi kvlav
grZeldeba. Tqven ras fiq-
robT, stalinis Zeglebi sa-
qarTveloSi unda arsebobdes?
_ stalinze roca vsaubr-
obT, gasaTvaliswinebelia mi-
si moRvaweobis bolo 1941-
45 wlebi. roca didi samamu-
lo omi daiwyo, qveyana ka-
tastrofis winaSe idga. Sve-
la arsaidan Canda. mTavroba
moskovis datovebas apirebda,
magram sasuliero pirTa da
winaswarmetyvelTa mosazre-
biT, mTel qveyanaSi gaxsnili
unda yofiliyo taZrebi, mo-
nastrebi, sasuliero akademi-
ebi da seminariebi, mRvdlebi
unda dabrunebuliyvnen fron-
tidan, cixeebidan. unda aRm-
dgariyo wirva-locvebi. yaza-
nis RmrTismSoblis saswaul-
moqmedi xati qalaqisTvis Se-
moetarebinaT litaniiT. am
SemTxvevaSi mteri verafers
gaxdeboda. marTlac Semoata-
res yazanis saswaulmoqmedi
ratom aravin asamarTlebs
antiqristes mociqul saakaSvils
im danaSaulisTvis, rac man 2003 wels
Caidina - parlamentSi SeiWra da
saxelmwifo gadatrialeba moaxdina?
mama basil mkalaviSvili:
13saerTo gazeTi#36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w.
` _ soflis Senebas ra
unda? _ ra unda?
_ erTi pirvelis Tqma
unda, Tqma unda... da kidev
bani unda!~
hoda, movida banic, da,
imedia, awi sofelic male
aSendeba.
msoflioSi saxelganTq-
muli bani paata burWulaZe
politikaSi modis!
politika iseTi dargia,
nebismieri profesiis adami-
ans, maT Soris momRerleb-
sac, ra Tqma unda, SeuZli-
aT bedi scadon da Tu sa-
Tanado niWsa da unars ga-
moamJRavneben, warmatebeb-
sac miaRwion, Tumca bato-
ni paatas SemTxveva mainc
gansakuTrebulia.
saqme is aris, rom baton
paatas, romelic axlaxan
60 wlis gaxda, aqamde ara-
sodes gamoumJRavnebia po-
litikisadmi interesi.
politikas Tavi davane-
boT, pativcemul momRe-
rals arc moqalaqeobrivi
aqtiurobiT gamouCenia Tavi
da qveynisTvis sabediswero
momentebSi arasodes gauke-
Tebia Tundac erTi gancxa-
deba.
qarTvelebi erTmaneTs
daerivnen _ batoni paa-ta mReroda!
afxazeTSi omi gvqonda
_ batoni paata mRe-roda!
2008 wlis Savi agvisto
dagvidga _ batoni paatamReroda!
`nacmoZraoba~ 9 wlis
ganmavlobaSi gvaupatiureb-
da _ batoni paata mRe-roda!
mReroda da emRera, eg
iyo am kacis mowodeba, mag-
ram xom SeiZleboda simRe-
rasa da simReras Sua, pau-
zebSi, erTi-ori sityva eT-
qva dalocvils da Tavisi
pozicia gamoexata?
cotne gamsaxurdia igo-
nebs: `zviad gamsaxurdiam
paata burWulaZes politi-
kaSi mosvla ki ara, saqarT-
velosTvis daxmareba sTxo-
va, rogorc `inwiligenciis~
umravlesobas... magram maT
SevardnaZesTan konsultaci-
ebi da misi ymadnaficoba ar-
Cies~-o.
samwuxarod, ara mxolod
paata burWulaZem, `inwili-
genciis~ bevrma sxva warmo-
madgenelmac anacvala qvey-
nisTvis Tavdadebas da Tav-
ganwirvas SevardnaZis `ymad-
naficoba~ Tu `Zmadnafico-
ba~, riTac, pirvel yovlisa,
qveyanam izarala, magram, mo-
diT, amasac Tavi davaneboT
da isRa vikiTxoT: kacs,romelsac am xnis gan-mavlobaSi krinti ardauZravs araferze,raRa maincdamaincdRes mounda politi-
kur scenaze Semovar-des da axali politi-kuri aria daagugunosxalxis winaSe?
yvelaze gasakviri da ga-
maognebeli is aris, rom ba-
toni paata am axali ariis
Sesrulebas vano maWavarian-
Tan `duetSi~ apirebs.
es vano maWavariani rome-
li xose karerasi an plaCi-
do domingoa, rom msofli-
os erT-erT saukeTeso banad
aRiarebulma kacma maincda-
mainc vanosTan moindomos
politikuri krimanWulis
CaxuWuWeba?
_ miTxari, vin aris Seni
megobari da getyvi, vin xar
Seno, _ naTqvamia.
vano maWavarianidan erTi
nabijia saakaSvilamde, boke-
riamde, gogoriSvilamde,
nadiraSvilamde Tundac
`qarTul ocnebasTan~ daub-
rebul margvelaSvilamde,
rac imis varaudis gamoTqmis
uflebas namdvilad gvaZ-
levs, rom paata burWula-
Zis mier daanonsebuli po-
litikuri miznebi da amoca-
nebic sadRac zemoTCamoTv-
lili `amxanagebis~ axlo-
maxlo trialebs.
Tu es marTlac asea, Za-
lian cudi saqarTvelosTvis
da kidev ufro cudi Tavad
batoni paatasTvis...
giorgi gamezardaSvili
xati. Semdeg es xati stalin-
gradSi unda daesvenebinaT da
mTeli omis mimdinareobis
dros meomarTa mfarveli un-
da yofiliyo.
1941 wels stalini TviT
ewvia deda matronas. saubris
damTavrebis Semdeg deda
matronam stalins mxarze xe-
li daado da uTxra: `wiTeli
mamali gaimarjvebs... erT-erTi
Sen iqnebi, romelic ar dato-
vebs moskovs.~ marTlac sta-
lins moskovi ar dautovebia.
wmida pelagia riazanelis
winaswarmetyveleba da miTi-
Teba xatis Semotarebis Sesa-
xeb yurad iRo beladma. am
saswaulebrivi faqtis Semdeg
uSualod stalinis miTiTe-
biT aSenda uamravi eklesia-
monasteri. isic ar unda dag-
vaviwydes, rom sabWoTa kav-
SirSi gamoSvebuli pirveli
avtomanqana `zimi~ TviT sta-
linma usaxsovra saqarTvelos
maSindel patriarqs kalist-
rate cincaZes. stalini, ro-
gorc amboben, aRsarebasac am-
bobda da eziareboda kidec. es
migvaniSnebs imaze, rom is Cax-
vda warsul codvebs da sina-
nulSi imyofeboda. ismis
kiTxva Tu ieRovelTa seqtis
sasaxleebi TiTqmis yoveli
fexis nabijze Sendeba, Tuki
meCeTebi Sendeba, Tuki nebis-
mier seqtas gadametebuli
tolerantobis gamo sxvis
zedmet uflebebs miageben,
stalinis Zegli rom idges
saqarTveloSi, ratom aris
danaSauli?
_ mamao, rogor uyurebT
dRevandel movlenebs?
_ ara marto saqarTvelo,
aramed, rogorc xedavT, mTe-
li msoflio qaosma moicva.
movlenebi TiTqmis umarTavi
gaxda. Cven varT amerikis Se-
erTebuli Statebis yurmoW-
rili monebi. rasac amerikis
elCi brZanebs, is aris Cveni
kanoni. Cveni Tavi Cven ar gve-
kuTvnis. yvelaze sagangaSo ki
is aris, rom amerikam imdeni
gaakeTa, saqarTveloSi Camoaya-
liba uamravi arasamTavrobo
organizacia, romlebic sazR-
vargareTidan iReben auracxel
grantebs da hyidian Cveni qvey-
nis interesebs, tradiciebs,
daundoblad ebrZvian marTl-
madideblobas. maTi ruporia
telekompania `rusTavi-2~,
romlis irgvliv aseTi aJio-
taJia atexili. Cemi azriT,
`rusTavi-2~ aqamde unda daxu-
ruliyo, radgan yovelgvari
sibilwe, garyvnileba, suliw-
midis gmoba iqedan moedineba.
telekompanias ki xelmZRvane-
lobs antiqristes mociquli
saakaSvili, romelmac 2003
wels saxelmwifo gadatria-
leba moaxdina parlamentSi
SeWriT. marto amisTvis unda
gasamarTlebuliyo igi, magram
piriqiT, farTo gza gauxsnes
da ganarides aqaurobas. is sa-
qarTvelodan ar unda gaeSvaT.
axla ki es satanuri seqtis
xelmZRvaneli meore gadatri-
alebas amzadebs.
_ gamosavals raSi xe-
davT?
_ sjulis kanonis mixed-
viT, roca mTavrobas uWirs,
maSin mas eklesia SeeSvelos
da Tavis mxrebze aiRos yvela
simZime. dRevandeli eklesia
Tavis Tavs ver patronobs da
qveyanas ra yuradRebas miaq-
cevs. gana marto saqarTvelo,
mTeli msoflio ukeTurebis
denTze dgas, sibilwem moicva
Cveni planeta. RmerTi ar gva-
patiebs codvebs, saSineli
risxva dagvatydeba. es movle-
nebi didi xnis dawyebulia bu-
nebrivi kataklizmebis saxiT:
wyaldidobebi, qarbuqebi,
mkvlelobebi da sxva. swored
axla xdeba gadarCeva TiToeu-
li Cvenganis _ visni varT _
RmrTisa Tu barabasi. amitom
Cveni gadarCena da xsna mxo-
lod sulier siwmideSi, Rmer-
Tis SiSsa da siyvarulSia.
RmerTma daglocoT.
iranda kalandaZe593 56 11 18
`soflis Senebas
ra unda...~
14 saerTo gazeTi #36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w.
gadauRebelma wvimam da
Zlierma qarma guriaSi gzebi,
xidebi, saniaRvre arxebi, mr-
avalbiniani da kerZo saxle-
bi daaziana. mniSvnelovani in-
frastruqturuli zarali
miadga, rogorc ozurgeTs,
aseve guriis mxaris samive
municipalitets. stiqiis Se-
degebis aRmosafxvrelad gu-
berniasa da municipalite-
tebSi stiqiis salikvidacio
Stabi da Sesabamisi komisie-
bi Seiqmna, romelic mosax-
leobisTvis miyenebul za-
rals iTvlis.
ozurgeTSi Zlierma qarma
20 quCaze daaziana sacxovre-
beli saxlebi, maT Soris sa-
ojaxo tipis mzrunveloba-
moklebulTa TavSesafaric.
dazianda eleqtrogadamcemi
sadenebi da bunebrivi airis
magistrali. Zlierma qarma
ramdenime quCaze xeebi mog-
lija. aseve ziani miadga me-
gobrobis quCaze mdebare mra-
valbiniani saxlis dasavle-
Tisa da samxreTis fasadebi.
stiqiis salikvidacio komi-
siis mier dRemde mimdinare-
obs ozurgeTis mosaxleobis-
Tvis miyenebuli zaralis
Seswavla da igi daaxloebiT
493 800 lars Seadgens.
rac Seexeba ozurgeTis
municipalitets, stiqiam ra-
mdenime sofeli mniSvnelov-
nad daazarala. dazianda sa-
soflo gzebi, sacxovrebeli
saxlebi da sakarmidamo nak-
veTebi,dafiqsirda mewyeris
erTi SemTxveva sofel konW-
kaTSi, saxelaSvilebis saxl-
Tan. ozurgeTis municipali-
tetis gamgebelma merab Wa-
nuyvaZem soflis deputatTan
gela ariSiZesTan erTad pi-
radad moinaxula aRniSnuli
teritoria,Seiswavla mdgo-
mareoba da ojaxi droebiTi
TavSesafriT uzrunvelhyo.
mewyruli procesebis ga-
mo dazianda saxelmwifo
mniSvnelobis saavtomobilo
gza sofel SromaSi. sofel
natanebSi ki problemebi Se-
eqmna SukakiZeebisa da osiZe-
ebis ojxebs, sadac Zlierma
qarma saxuravebi axada sax-
lebs. mTlianad gadaxada qar-
ma saxuravi sofel baxvSi
Tamaz cecxlaxis sacxovre-
bel saxls.
silaurSi adidebulma ma-
maTisRelem xelaZeebis sakar-
midamo nakveTi da Txilis
nargavebi waiRo. igive prob-
lema Seeqmna sofel jumaTSi
mcxovreb miTaiSvilebis oj-
axs.
saerTo jamSi ozurgeTis
municipalitetis soflebis
zarali daaxloebiT 1 300
000 laria.
stiqiam daazarala Coxa-
tauris TiTqmis yvela sofe-
lic. Zlierma qarma municipa-
litetis masStabiT 65
sacxovrebel saxls gadaxada
saxuravi. dazianda Sida gze-
bi, saniaRvre arxebi da
wyalgamtari milebi. yvelaze
didi zarali miadga sofel
xidisTavSi mdebare nodar
dumbaZis saxelobis saavto-
mobilo xids,romelsac adi-
debulma mdinare gubazeulma
erTi mali gamoacala. amis
gamo xidze ara Tu trans-
portiT, qveiTad gadaadgile-
bac ki saSiSia da aikrZala.
aseve Zlieri wvimis Sedegad
dazianda koxnari-saWamiase-
ris saavtomobilo gzac.
stiqiis pirvelive dRidan
adgilze swavlobda mdgoma-
reobas Coxatauris municipa-
litetis gamgebeli irak-li kuWava. man piradad mo-
inaxula sofel zotSi qa-
riSxlis mier dangreuli su-
liko WeliZis sacxovrebeli
saxli da ojaxi droebiTi
TavSesafriT uzrunvelhyo.
municipalitets stiqiam
daaxloebiT milion larze
metia.
or milion larze meti
zarali miiRo Zlieri qarisa
da gadauRebeli wvimebis Se-
degad lanCxuTis municipa-
litetmac. adidebulma mdina-
re sufsam lanCxuTis munici-
palitetis sofel akeTSi
mimdinare napirsamagri samu-
Saoebi Seaferxa da muSaTa
droebiTi sacxovrebeli dat-
bora.
lanCxuTSi rkinigzis mim-
debare teritoriaze arsebu-
li sacxovrebeli saxlebi
daitbora. saniaRvre ar-
xebma wyali veRar gaatara da
gadauRebelma wvimam ziani mi-
ayena aRmaSeneblis,
doliZis da kvirk-
velias quCis
mcxovreblebs.
garda qalaqisa,
lanCxuTis munici-
palitetis 19 so-
feli dazianda.
gansakuTrebiT mZi-
me mdgomareoba
iyo sofel nigo-
iTSi, SuxuTSi
gvimbalaursa da
nigvzianSi, sadac
ramdenime sacxov-
rebeli saxli da-
itbora. Zlierma qarma ramde-
nime sofelSi mravalwliani
xeebi moglija. seriozulad
dazianda soflebSi Sida gze-
bi, sadac aucilebelia jebi-
rebis Camosxma da gambionebis
mowyoba. didi mewyruli kera
gaCnda CoCxaTis administra-
ciuli erTeulis erT-erT
Sida gzaze, sadac gaCnda 2
metri simaRlis naprali, ro-
melic ramdenime ojaxis kuT-
vnil Txilis nargavebzec ga-
dis.
lanCxuTis municipalite-
tis gamgebeli zaza uruSaZe
piradad Cavida yvela dazara-
lebul sofelSi da stiqiis
salikvidacio komisiasTan
erTad adgilze Seiswavla
yvela problema. zaralis
daTvla jer kidev mimdinare-
obs.
munic8palitetebis gamgeb-
lebTan erTad stiqiis yvela
zonaSi imyofeboda guriis
mxaris gubernatori gia sa-luqvaZe. gTavazobT komen-
tars:
- Cvens regions am stiqi-
am udidesi zarali miayena.
samive municipalitetis xel-
mZRvaneloba da ozurgeTis
meri, aqtiurad muSaoben Se-
sabamis samsaxurebTan erTad.
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garkveul nawils sacxovre-
beli saxlebi dauziandaT,
ramdenime maTgans droebiTi
TavSesafari dasWirda. inten-
siurad vmuSaobT TiToeuli
problemis aRmosafxvrelad.
CemTan erTad yvela stiqi-
ur zonaSi imyofebodnen
mTavrobis adminiatraciis
regionebsa da adgilobrivi
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„Zaladobisgan dacvis erovnu-
li qselis“ TavSesafarSi mox-
vedramde, dasavleT saqarTvelos
erT-eerT raionSi mcxovrebi maia
i-ZZis cxovreba saSinelebaTa
filmis siuJets hgavda _ 12
wlis asakSi jgufuri gaupatiu-
rebis mcdeloba, adreul asakSi
iZulebiT gaTxoveba, moZalade
dedamTili, TviTmkvlelobis
mcdeloba da ganadgurebuli jan-
mrTeloba. saidan daiwyo 23
wlis gogonas tragedia, ram
aiZula mSoblebis saxlis mito-
veba da rogor moxvda Zaladobis-
gan dacvis erovnuli qselis“
TavSesafarSi, amis Sesaxeb Tavad
maia gviambobs:
_ „Zaladobisgan dacvis erov-
nuli qselis“TavSesafarSi mosv-
lamde, wlebis ganmavlobaSi, yo-
vel Rame umtkivneulo sikvdil-
ze ocnebaSi viZinebdi. ar vici,
ratom momiZules sakuTarma
mSoblebma, magram pataraobidan
moyolebuli, dedisgan sul is
mesmoda, rom cudi var, rom de-
daCemisTana qals aseTi Svili ar
unda hyavdes da a.S. faqtobrivad,
ojaxuri siTbo da siyvaruli ar
gamomicdia, magram Cemi yvelaze
didi ubedureba 12 wlis asakSi
daiwyo, roca Tanaklaselma da
ufrosklaselma biWebma Cemze Za-
ladoba scades.. skolaSi fiz-
kulturis gakveTili gvqonda,
romelic ezoSi tardeboda. me
gakveTilze gasvla damagvianda da
Cemma klaselma da ufrosklasel-
ma biWebma sardafSi CamaTries.
_ rogor CagaTries? am dros
maswavlebeli sad iyo?
_ maswavlebeli gareT, danar-
Cen bavSvebTan iyo. 12 biWi dame-
sia. erTma erTi xeli damikava, me-
orem meore, mesame rom ar meyvi-
ra, pirs mixuravda da danarCe-
nebi fexiT mimaTrevdnen. erTa-
derTi, rac SevZeli is iyo, rom
Sarvals mTeli ZaliT viWerdi.
mere erTma biWma dana amoiRo.. ne-
biT Tu ar uSvebs, Sarvali Za-
liT gavuWraTo. am dros, Cemi ki-
vili gareT mexuTe klaselma bav-
Svma gaigo da maswavlebels uTx-
ra, sardafSi viRac kiviso. ra
Tqma unda, Camovidnen da gadamar-
Cines, magram am saqmis gaxmaure-
bas, skolis prestiJis Selaxvas
da im biWebis skolidan garicx-
vas Cemi gawirva amjobines. iseTi
pozicia daiWires, TiTqos is bi-
Webi damnaSaveebi ar iyvnen da
me gamoviwvie. yvela maswavlebe-
li erT xmaSi mimtkicebda, rom
me Sevarcxvine ojaxi da safrTxe
Sevuqmeni direqtoris skams. ra
Tqma unda, aravis ufiqria imaze,
me ra ganvicade da ramxela tram-
va miviRe.
_ amis Sesaxeb Senma mSobleb-
ma gaiges?
_ gaiges da imis nacvlad,
rom sxva skolaSi gadaveyvane, ma-
iZules, rom isev iq meswavla da
im biWebTan erTad gakveTilze
vmjdariyavi.
19 wlis asakSi gavTxovdi.
Cemi qmari yvelanairad xeibari
rom yofiliyo, mainc gavyvebodi,
oRond dedaCemisTvis damemtkice-
bina, rom cud gzaze dadgomas ar
vapirebdi da mindoda ojaxi mqo-
noda. ase mgonia, rom 23 wlis ki
ara, 70 wlis var, ise damabera
amdenma wamebam. mTeli cxovreba
gavrbivar.. jer dedisgan da me-
re qmrisgan.. gavTxovdi, imitom,
rom megona dedisgan davixsnidi
Tavs da qmarTan uares dReSi Cav-
vardi. qmris ojaxSi pirveli So-
ki maSin miviRe, roca davinaxe,
rom dedamTili Cemze da mamam-
Tilze da mazlze eWvianobda..
_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom
eWvianobda? ra gaZlevT amis
Tqmis safuZvels?
_ absoluturad darwmunebu-
li var. imis gamo, rac bavSvoba-
Si gamdaxda, Tvlida, rom me yve-
las vacduneb. eWvianobda Cems ma-
mamTilze, mazlze da yvelaze,
vinc gamarjobas metyoda. mamamTi-
li an mazli rom saxlSi Semovi-
dodnen, Cemi oTaxidan gamosvlis
ufleba ar mqonda. saxlidan gas-
vlaze aRarafers vambob.. imasac
miveCvie, rom saxlidan gasvlisas,
mketavdnen. imasac, rom cxra
Tvemde fexmZime qali bosels va-
sufTavebdi da Zroxebs vwveli-
di..
_ rogorc vxvdebi, mSoblebis
mxardaWeris imedi ar gqoniaT...
_ Cemi mSoblebi yvelaferze
Tvals xuWavdnen. maTTvis, bavS-
viT mibrunebuli Svili iseTi
sircxvili iyo, rom erCivnaT, iq
movmkvdariyavi. iseT uimedo
mdgomareobaSi viyavi, rom xSirad
Rame quCaSi gamogdebuli, xmamaR-
la vtirodi, RmerTo ra vqna, sad
wavide Tqo. Zalian mindoda sikv-
dili, magram Svilis gamo Tavs
ver viklavdi.. bolos es zRvaric
gadavlaxe da oTaxSi gamoketil-
ma yelSi samarTebeli gamovisvi.
isteriulad visvamdi, sanam ar
gaviTiSe. ar vici, am mdgomareo-
baSi ramden xans viyavi, magram sa-
nam sisxlisgan daviclebodi kari
qmarma Semoamtvria. mixvda, rom
raRac mWirda.. didi siamovnebiT
macdida sikvdils, magram SarSi
gaxvevac ar undoda. miuxedavad
imisa, rom mTeli oTaxi sisxliT
iyo savse, saswrafosTvis ar ga-
mouZaxiaT. Wriloba saxlis pi-
robebSi moviSuSe da ori Tve ki-
sers ver vamoZravebdi.
_ saxlidan wamosvlaze arc
amis Semdeg gifiqriaT?
_ gamudmebiT amaze vfiqrob-
di, magram wasasvleli arsad
mqonda. Cemma qmarma da dedamTil-
ma es mSvenivrad icodnen da ami-
tom uares mdgomareobaSi magdeb-
dnen. bolos sul amas meubnebod-
nen, TviTmkvlelobas marto giJe-
bi cdiloben. giJobas dagimtki-
cebT da bavSvs wagarTmevTo. amis
atana veRar SevZeli.. mSoblebTan
davreke da vuTxari, aqedan Tu
ar wamiyvanT, Tavs moviklav da
Cems codvaSi CadgebiT Tqo. war-
moidgineT, ori weli vicxovre
qmarTan da aqedan erTi Rame ar
maxsovs, rom tiriliT ar dameZi-
nos. megona, mSoblebis ojaxSi
cota suls moviTqvamdi, magram
uares mdgomareobaSi Cavvardi.
_ amaze uaresi raRa iyo?
_ warmoidgineT, rom mama or
Wiqas dalevda Tu ara, Cems cema-
ze gadmodioda. Tan xmamaRla, me-
zoblebis gasagonad yviroda, sax-
lSi bozi miziso. meore dRes
Tavs imarTlebda, nasvami viyavi
da araferi maxsovso. mSoblebTan
dabrunebis Semdeg, saxlSi xel-
fasi rom mometana, fabrikaSi da-
viwye muSaoba. dilis 7 saaTze
vdgebodi da saRamos 8 saaTze
vbrundebodi, magram dedaCemi
darwmunebuli iyo, rom samuSaod
ki ara, bordelebSi davdiodi.
samsaxuridan saxlSi rom mivido-
di, Cemi Zma iwyebda yvirils
mobrZanda bozi da CaTlaxio da
es rom ar gamego, maSinve dasaZi-
neblad vwvebodi. saxlSi gaRime-
ba akrZaluli mqonda., Turme
qalma, romelsac ojaxi daengra,
marto unda itiros da mec vti-
rodi.. yovel dRe da yovel Ra-
me..
_ Zaladobisgan dacvis erov-
nuli qselis TavSesafarSi ro-
gor moxvdiT?
_ samsaxurSi seminarebi tar-
deboda Zaladobaze da im qals,
vinc seminarebs atarebda, erTa-
derTi rame vTxove- damexmareT,
rom movkvde Tqo. am dros Zali-
an gulwrfeli viyavi.. ar vici,
damijerebT Tu ara, magram imde-
nad mindoda manqana damjaxeboda,
rom gzaze gadasvlisas, gverdiT
ar vixedebodi. roca organizaci-
am Cemi saqme Seiswavla, gadawyvi-
tes, rom ojaxidan unda wamovsu-
liyavi. ukve erTi Tvea, rac Tbi-
lisSi, „Zaladobisgan dacvis
erovnuli qselis“ TavSesafarSi
var. aq Camosvlis Semdeg gairk-
va, rom naRveli kenWebiT maqvs
savse da saswrafod amosaWrelia.
albaT, rom ar Camovsuliyavi, ise
gamiskdeboda da momklavda, Ceme-
bi mizezsac ver gaigebdnen da
isev fexmZimobas daabralebdnen.
amis garda, xerxemalze kista
maqvs da patara gacivebazec ki
Cirqi migrovdeba. mere es moqme-
debs gulze..xSiri Tavbrusxvevebi
maqvs da zogjer gulic mimdis.
amazec operacia maqvs gasakeTebe-
li, magram operaciis Semdeg er-
Ti Tve verc dgomas da verc
jdomas ver SevZleb. bavSvs ki
sul xelSi Wera unda. fexzec
problema maqvs.. wle-
bis win dedam marcxe-
na fexis muxlSi co-
mis sabrtyelebeli
damartya da didxans
fexze dgoma Tu momi-
wia, miSeSdeba. xanda-
xan tkivilebisgan im-
denad cudad var, rom
Ramis 3-4 saaTamde
ver viZineb.
_ yofilma qmarma
icis sad xarT?
_ icis, magram
amaswinaT SemomiTva-
la, TavSesafarSi ki
ara, albaT sadRac
bordelSi xar. giCiv-
leb da bavSvs wagarT-
mevo. dRemde rom cocxali var,
am bavSvis damsaxurebaa da aravis
davuTmob. (bavSvs ixutebs da ti-
ris)
yvelafers gavakeTeb imisTvis,
rom Cems Svils is mivce, rac
arasodes mqonia da esaa ojaxuri
siTbo, siyvaruli da kargi ganaT-
leba. amisTvis unda vicocxlo..
nanaxiTa da mosmeniliT SeZ-
rulma „Zaladobisgan dacvis er-
ovnuli qselis“ beneficiaris
saqmeze komentari organizaciis
iurists manana furcxvani-Zes vTxove:
_ amJamad, maia Cvens TavSesa-
farSia da Tavs sruliad usafr-
Txod grZnobs. samwuxarod, es
gogona Zaladobis msxverpli Za-
lian patara asakSi gaxda da imis
nacvlad, rom gaeridebinaT, ojax-
ma imave garemoSi datova, rome-
lic mudmivad momxdars gaaxse-
nebda da stresSi amyofebda.
gaTxovebis Semdeg, Zvel proble-
mebs axalic daemata, ramac maias
mdgomareoba kidev ufro autane-
li gaxada. mSoblebma Svilis
daxmarebis nacvlad, imaze da-
iwyes fiqri, ramdenad misaRebi
iqneboda ganaTxovari Svilis sax-
lSi dabruneba da xalxi ras
ityoda. maTTvis mTavari xalxis
azri aRmoCnda da ara Svilis
mdgomareoba. gasakviri araa, rom
gogonas aseT mZime cxovrebas
janmrTelobis problemebi mohyva.
operaciebis garda, mas Wirdeba
fsiqologis da fsiqoTerapevtis
seriozuli daxmareba. gamoricxu-
li araa, rom medikamentozuri
daxmarebac daWirdes. aucileb-
lad minda avRniSno, rom Zalado-
bis msxverpls wamalze metad, sa-
zogadoebis mxardaWera da Tanad-
goma Wirdeba, rac ase gvaklia.
CvenSi ratomRac miaCniaT, rom Za-
ladobis msxverpli raRacaSi Ta-
vad aris damnaSave da mis gasam-
tyunebel mizezs eZeben. Tundac
is, rac 12 wlis bavSvs gadaxda,
amis naTeli magaliTia. Cveni or-
ganizacia aucileblad daexmareba
maias janmrTelobis problemebis
mogvarebasa da cxovrebis Tavidan
dawyebaSi. is imdenad kargi adami-
ania, rom dabrunebis SemTxvevaSi,
samsaxuri Tavis poziciaze aRd-
genas da muSaobaSi daxmarebas da-
pirda. vfiqrob, aseT adamianebs
aucileblad WirdebaT saxelmwi-
fos daxmarebac. dResac damireka
martoxela dedam da mkiTxa, ro-
dis iqneba maTTvis gaTvaliswine-
buli SeRavaTebi da daxmarebebi.
saxelmwifos aRebuli hqonda
valdebuleba, rom 2015 wlis
pirvel naxevarSi daeTvala mar-
toxela dedebis raodenoba, Tum-
ca es saqme jerac ar aqvs es ga-
keTebuli. warmoidgineT, rodis
moiclian amisTvis da rom moic-
lian, daiTvlian da biujetSi Se-
itanen, ra dro iqneba gasuli.
vfiqrob, es araa swori midgoma.
am kategoriis adamianebisTvis sa-
xelmwifos daxmareba da Tanadgo-
ma sasicocxlod mniSvnelovania
da es yvelam kargad unda gaiTa-
visos. saxelmwifos upirvelesi
valdebuleba sakuTar moqalaqeeb-
ze zrunvaa. miT umetes, roca es
moqalaqeebi martoxela dedebi da
Zaladobis msxverplebi arian,
cota meti Tanadgoma da Tanagr-
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gamoketilma yelSi samarTebeli gamovisvi.
isteriulad visvamdi, sanam ar gaviTiSe“
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16 saerTo gazeTi #36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w.
ssaammyyaarrooss ggaannvviiTTaarreebbaassTTaann eerrTTaadd,, ssaammwwuuxxaa-
rroodd,, eevvoolluucciiaass ggaanniiccddiiaann ssxxvvaaddaassxxvvaa ddaaaavvaa-
ddeebbeebbii.. aavviiRRooTT TTuunnddaacc nneebbiissmmiieerrii wwaammaallii,, rroo-
mmeelliicc ddrrooTTaa vviiTTaarreebbaaSSii eeffeeqqttuurraadd mmooqqmmee-
ddeebbddaa CCvveennss oorrggaanniizzmmzzee,, mmaaggrraamm aaxxllaa nnaakklleebbaadd
aarriiss SSeeddeeggiiaannii.. rraattoomm?? eess kkiiTTxxvvaa ggvvaawwuuxxeebbss
yyvveellaa CCvveennggaannss.. aammiittoomm vveessttuummrreeTT ssaaqqaarrTTvvee-
llooss jjaannmmrrTTeelloobbiiss ssaammiinniissttrrooss ddaaaavvaaddeebbaaTTaa
kkoonnttrroolliissaa ddaa ssaazzooggaaddooeebbrriivvii jjaannmmrrTTeelloo-
bbiiss,, eerroovvnnuullii cceennttrriiss ssppeecciiaalliisstteebbss __ mmee-
ddiicciinniiss ddooqqttoorrss giorgi CaxunaSvilsddaa mmTTaavvaarr ssppeecciiaalliissttss,, mmeeddiicciinniiss ddooqqttoorrss
daviT wereTels.
__ bbaattoonnoo ggiioorrggii,, bbaattoonnoo ddaavviiTT,, rraass nniiSS-
nnaavvss aannttiimmiikkrroobbuullii rreezziisstteennttoobbaa,, aannuu ggaammZZ-
lleeoobbaa??
giorgi CaxunaSvili:_ antibiotikuri saSualebebis gamogone-
bis dRidan baqteriebma dRemde gamZleoba Se-
imuSaves. Tavdapirvelad es preparatebi gar-
kveuli daavadebebis mimarT
erTob mgrZnobiare, anu
efeqturebi iyvnen, magram
droTa viTarebaSi, nebsiT
Tu uneblieT, ukve rezis-
tentulad, anu baqteriebis
mimarT gamZleoba SeiZines.
daviT wereTeli:_ janmrTelobis msof-
lio organizaciaSi Seqmni-
lia janmrTelobis organi-
zaciis eqspertTa erTobli-
vi jgufi, sadac gawevriane-
bulia Cveni qveyana. SemuSa-
vebulia erToblivi strate-
gia. davaswreb baton gior-
gis da getyviT, rom antibiotikuri proble-
ma ara marto jandacvis sferos, aramed Cvens
qveyanaSi arsebul yvela dargs, soflis me-
urneobas, mrewvelobas, kvebis produqtebs da
kidev bevr dargs exeba.
__ uuffrroo ddaawwvvrriilleebbiiTT vviissaauubbrrooTT aannttiimmiikk-
rroobbuullii ggaammZZlleeoobbiiss SSeessaaxxeebb..
_ modiT, pirdapir getyviT _ es proble-
ma, rogorc ukve giTxariT, exeba yvela sfe-
ros, rogorc jandacvis, agreTve soflis me-
urneobis da yvela sxva dargebs. warmoidgi-
neT, Seguebis SemTxvevaSi, Tundac elementa-
ruli Wriloba, SesaZloa, adamianisTvis le-
taluri SemTxveviT dasruldes. amitomac
aucilebelia medikamentebis SerCeviTi, eqimis
daniSnulebis mixedviT miReba.
__ ddaa mmaaiinncc,, rraa aarriiss eess yybbaaddaaRReebbuullii rree-
zziisstteennttoobbaa,, aannuu ggaammZZlleeoobbaa??
daviT wereTeli:_ es gaxlavT mikroorganizmis mier sam-
kurnalo preparatebis mimarT gamZleobis,
imunitetis gamomuSaveba. rogorc zemoT
giTxariT, gamZleobaze msoflio janmrTelo-
bis organizacia muSaobs, sadac Cveni qveyanac
aqtiurad aris CarTuli. ager, batoni gior-
gi saqarTveloSi Seqmnili da warmoebuli
proeqtis avtoria.
giorgi CaxunaSvili:_ rezistentoba, igive gamZleoba, Tanamed-
rove medicinaSi urTulesi sakiTxia. warmo-
idgineT, rom baqteriebic cocxali organiz-
mebia. isinic Tavis gadasarCenad ibrZvian. ami-
tomac antimikrobuli, antibiotikebis medika-
mentebis ara marto Setevebs uZleben, aramed
maT mimarT imunitetic SeuZliaT gamoimuSa-
on. amitomac, zogierT SemTxvevaSi, antibio-
tikebiT mkurnaloba araefeqturia. aqve aRsa-
niSnavia Sewyvetili mkurnaloba, rodesac pa-
cienti eqimis daniSnulebas zustad ar asru-
lebs. magaliTad, xuTdRiani mkurnalobis
nacvlad pacienti odnavi SeRavaTis pirobeb-
Si wyvets mkurnalobas. amiT igi xels
uwyobs baqteriis rezistentulobas da mkur-
nalobas araefeqturs xdis. amiT, vgoneb, erT-
erT Tqvens kiTxvas damatebiT vupasuxe.
__ rreezziisstteennttuullii eevvoolluucciiaa ggaaddaammddeebbiiaa
aaddaammiiaanneebbss SSoorriiss TTuu eess bbuunneebbrriivvii mmoovvlleennaaaa??
_ antimikrobuli anu antibiotikuri me-
dikamentebis gamoyeneba eqimis rCevis gareSe
da TviTneburad aCqarebs adamianis mikroor-
ganizmebis Semgueblobas daavadebisadmi. aqve
getyviT, rom rezistentuli baqteria SeiZ-
leba gadavides adamianidan adamianze, aseve
cxovelidan adamianze.
__ rraass uurrCCeevvTT mmoossaaxxlleeoobbaass,, rrooggoorr aavviiccii-
llooTT TTaavviiddaann mmaavvnnee bbaaqqtteerriieebbiiss rreezziisstteennttuu-
lloobbaa??
giorgi CaxunaSvili:_ pirvel rigSi, unda moveridoT TviTm-
kurnalobas. aucilebelia, rom mosaxleobam
TviTneburad ar miiRos antibiotikuri saSu-
alebebi. upirvelesac amisgan bavSvebi unda
davicvaT. aqve saTqmelia, rom mkurnali eqi-
mis Sewyvetili mkurnaloba gacilebiT did
problemas qmnis, vidre Tavdapirveli. amitom
nebismieri wamali mxolod eqimis rCeviT da
daniSnulebiT unda miviRoT. amiT Tavidan
avicilebT Semdgom garTulebebs, Tundac Sem-
gueblobas. nebismier samedicino preparats
aqvs dadebiTi da uaryofiTi mxareebi. gime-
orebT, eqimis daniSnulebis gareSe miRebuli
wamali SeiZleba adamianisTvis sawamlavi aR-
moCndes. dauSvebelia mosaxleobam mimarTos
TviTmkurnalobas. nuravis hgonia, rom anti-
biotikuri saSualebebi uwyinaria. am prepara-
tebiT SeiZleba Cvens organizms gamouswore-
beli ziani mivayenoT. amitomac imarTeba Cvens
qveyanaSi yovelwliurad antimikrobuli re-
zistentobis kvireuli. marTalia, ori-sami
welia dadebiTi Sedegebi gvaqvs, magram gime-
orebT, eqimis daniSnulebis gareSe dauSvebe-
lia wamlebis miReba da TviTmkurnaloba.
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rezistentuli
baqteriebis gaaqtiureba
zamTris periodSi?!
mkiTxvelis werilebi
ganaTlebisa
da kulturis
demokratizacia
saerTo gazeTi#36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w. 17
istorikosebis, arqeologebis
da mkvlevarebis yuradRebis cen-
trSi senakis raionis sofeli
eki 1971 wels moeqca, roca sof-
lis teritoriaze vercxlis mo-
netebis ganZi aRmoaCines. 907
cal monetaSi Sedioda parTiis
mefe oridios pirvelis draqma
da romis imperatorebis nervas,
traianes, adrianes, antonius pi-
usis da sxvaTa saxeliT moWri-
li draqmebi da dinarebi. ro-
gorc mkvlevarebma daadgines,
ekis gviandeli moneta 222 wliT
TariRdeba.
rac Seexeba Tavad samonast-
ro kompleqss, masSi Semavali na-
gebobebi eklesia, samreklo, pa-
lati, da a.S. gaSenebulia sof-
lis CrdiloeT nawilSi da
gars qviTkiris maRali galavanis
fragmentebi akravs. kompleqsis
SuaSi aRmarTuli eklesia me-99-
me-110 saukuneebiT TariRdeba. ra-
tom darCa es ulamazesi da ar-
qiteqtoruli TvalsazrisiT, um-
niSvnelovanesi samonastro komp-
leqsi mecnierebis yuradRebis
miRma, ucnobia, Tumca monastris
kedlebSi aRmoCenilma aTobiT
adamianis ConCxma SesaZloa viTa-
reba sruliad Secvalos.
„saerTo gazeTs“ „adamianis
uflebaTa dacvis aqrivistTa kav-
Siris“ kulturuli memkvidreo-
bis axalgazrduli ganyofilebis
lideri levan xubulava esa-ubra:
_ samwuxarod, bevrma ar
icis, rom senakis raionis sofel
ekSi mdebareobs ioane naTlism-
cemlis samonastro xuroTmoZRv-
ruli kompleqsi. kompleqsSi
mdebareobs me-9 saukuniT daTa-
riRebuli taZari. rogorc vici,
saqarTveloSi oTxi analigiuri
taZaria. saukuneebma taZars da
mTlianad kompleqss Tavisi kva-
li daatyo, Tumca Cvenda sasixa-
rulod, biZina ivaniSvilis fon-
dis daxmarebiT, SarSan taZris
aRdgena-restavracia daiwyo. ada-
mianis CoCxebiT savse akldama sa-
muSaoebis dawyebidan erT TveSi
aRmoaCines. Sida samuSaobis mim-
dinareobisas, iatakis monakveTi
Caingra da gamoCnda patara oTa-
xis xela saTavso.
_ saTavso Tu saflavi?
_ ara, es ar gaxlavT saf-
lavSi Casvenebuli adamianebis
Zvlebi. es aris daaxloebiT met-
ranaxevari siRrmis oTaxSi uwes-
rigod dayrili adamianebis cxed-
rebi.
_ saTavso daaTvaliereT?
_ qvemoT ar Cavsulvar, mag-
ram zemodanac Cans, rom oTaxi
ufro Rrma unda iyos, magram
mtvriT da miwiT aris amovsebu-
li da SigniT es ConCxebia gafan-
tuli. biWebma saTavsodan TxuT-
meti adamianis Tavis qala amoi-
tanes. aqedan erTi bavSvs ekuTv-
noda, erTs ki kefis mxares naty-
viaris kvali etyoboda. darwmu-
nebuli var, miwis fenebis qveS
kidev uamravi adamianis ConCxia.
_ axla sad aris es Tavis qa-
lebi da gagrZelda Tu ara mo-
nastris sareabilitacio samuSa-
oebi?
_ daaTvalierebis Semdeg, Ta-
vis qalebi isev ukan CavalageT
da Catexil iataks ficrebi dava-
fareT. amis Semdeg, sarestavra-
cio samuSaoebi Cveulebriv gagr-
Zelda. Cven ki akldamaSi aRmoCe-
nilis Seswavlis TxovniT, weri-
lebi kulturisa da ZeglTa dac-
vis saministroSi gavagzavneT,
magram ratomRac, gansakuTrebu-
li interesi aravis gamouCenia.
sxvaTa Soris, 1994 wels ramde-
nime adamianis mcdelobiT, moxda
am samonastro kompleqsis nawi-
lobrivi restavracia. maSinac
bevri saintereso ram aRmoaCines.
Tundac, 1848 wliT daTariRebu-
li, saocari qvisgan gamoT-
lili warweriani jvari da
qvis sarkofagSi moTavsebuli
adamianis Zvali. jvarze war-
wera TiTqmis mTlianad ga-
daSlili iyo, magram didi
wvalebis Semdeg amovikiTxeT
„me mdebare var aqve locviTa
mamisaTa da sulisa wmindi-
sa.“. TiTqos jvari raRac
wertilisken migvaniSnebda,
aqve varo. vfiqrob, rom mo-
nasterSi kidev aris jerje-
robiT aRmouCeneli saTavsoe-
bi da aucilebelia, maTi aR-
moCenisa da Seswavlis mizniT
samuSaoebis dawyeba.
_ rogor aRmoCnda ekis
samonastro kompleqsis iata-
kis qveS aTobiT adamianis cxeda-
ri da vis SeiZleba ekuTvnodes
aRmoCenili Tavis qalebi?
amasTan dakavSirebiT, saku-
Tari mosazreba „adamianis ufle-
baTa dacvis aqrivistTa kavSi-
ris“ liderma Tamar dadian-ma gagviziara:
_ daviwyeb imiT, rom sofe-
li ekis samonastro kompleqsi
sadadianod wodebul teritori-
aze mdebareobs. Cemi winaprebis-
gan, gadmocemiT vici, rom gasab-
Woebis Semdeg, saqarTveloSi
adamianis dakargva da gaqroba
Cveulebrivi ambavi iyo. bolSevi-
kebis Semosvlas TiTqmis yvela
didgvarovanis ojaxSi msxverpli
mohyva. anadgurebdnen ojaxebs. ar
indobdnen arc qalebs, arc bavS-
vebs da arc moxucebs da adamia-
nebze, rogorc cxovelebze ise
nadirobdnen. samegreloSi sisx-
lis mdinareebi daayenes. Cemi di-
di babua, noqalaqevi-berTemis
mmarTveli da rva Svilis mama
petre dadiani wverebiT aTries
da awames. am saSinelebis mnaxve-
li Cemi didi bebia infarqtiT
gardaicvala. patara bavSvebi
Tovlsa da yinvaSi gareT gamoya-
res da awames. petres saxli
dawves da gaanadgures. misi qa-
liSvilis, qsenias qmari, xuTi
Svilis mama, mecenati da gamom-
gonebeli faRava sad gaaqres,
kacma ar icis. senakSi gamoiZaxes.
wavida da imis mere aRaravis
unaxavs. moskovSic ki gavagzav-
neT misi monacemebi, rom gvepo-
va, magram uSedegod.. Cveni sana-
Tesaodan aseve gamqaralia 17
wlis bavSvi..es marto CvenTan da
Cvens garda, ramdeni iyo? am te-
ritoriaze cxovrobda mecenati
gvarad CiCua. es adamiani exmare-
boda skolebs da saganmanaTleb-
lo centrebs. 1921 wels Cekis-
tebi SuaRames, loginSi daadgnen
Tavze da waiyvanes. amis Semdeg
aRaravis unaxavs da misi adgil-
samyofeli aravin icis. amitom
vfiqrob, rom ekis samonastro
kompleqsis akldamaSi dadianebi,
faRavebi, Ciqovanebi, CiCuebi qav-
TaraZeebi da sxva didgvarovne-
bi ganisveneben. im periodSi,
bolSevikebis SiSiT, eklesias ve-
ravin ekareboda. bolSevikebma es
mSvenivrad icodnen da SemaRle-
bul adgilze mdenare monasters
adamianebis dasaxvretad iyenebd-
nen. akldamac swored am adamia-
nebis ZvlebiT aris es amovsebu-
li. am mosazrebas isic mimyarebs,
rom Zvlebs saerTod aRar aqvT
SerCenili rbili qsovilebi, ami-
tom gamoricxulia, rom isini
axlad gardacvlil adamianebs
ekuTvnodes. „saudakis“ moTxov-
naa, Tu SesaZlebelia, jer gar-
dacvlilebis identificireba
moxdes da Semdeg, maTi monast-
ris ezoSi dakrZalva. rasakvir-
velia, am movlenebis samarTleb-
rivi Sefasebac aucilebelia.
_ rogorc vici, saxelmwifo
uwyebebSi gagzavnil werilebze
jerjerobiT, pasuxi ar migiRiaT.
_ yvelam, visac mivmarTeT,
kultris saministrosken gadag-
vamisamarTa. saministrom ki teq-
nikurad moicila es saqme da
kulturuli memkvidreobis dac-
vis saagentos gadaabara. amdeni
xania, vyvirivarT, rom mo-nastris teritoriazeadamianebis ConCxebi yriada aravin dainteresebu-la. iqneb, Tamar mefisZvlebia? iqneb dakarguli iva-
ne maCabelia? iqneb nikoloz me-
oris Svilia, romelmac afxa-
zeTs Seafara Tavi? rogor SeiZ-
leba aseTi informaciiT ar dain-
teresdnen? is mainc Seamowmon,
vtyuivarT Tu ara. Seiqmnas spe-
cialistebisgan dakompleqtebu-
li komisia, Cvenc CagvrTon da
davadginoT ra saidumlos ina-
xavs ekis samonastro kompleqsi.
aqve avRniSnav, rom Zalian gvixa-
ria, rom restavracia mimdinare-
obs, magram mniSvnelovania, rom
samonastro kompleqsma pirvande-
li saxe SeinarCunos. es Cveni is-
toriuli memkvidreobaa, romel-
sac dacva da gafrTxileba
Wirdeba..
_ intervius dawyebamde
miTxariT, rom wlebis win, da-
dianebis muzeumidan moparuli
nivTi SeiZineT da muzeums da-
ubruneT. ra nivTi iyo es da
sad SeiZineT?
_ 1993 wels dadianebis
sasaxle gaiZarcva. maSin „wi-
Teli jvris“ saerTaSoriso
ofisi avlabris teritoriaze
mdebareobda. ofisSi Sexvedra-
ze viyavi politpatimrebis sa-
kiTxTan dakavSirebiT da Sex-
vedridan rom gamovedi, erov-
nebiT aisori qali da mamakaci
Semxvdnen. gamaCeres da oqros
ydaSi Casmuli ilia WavWavaZis
erT-erTi tomeuli SemomTavazes.
es unikaluri wignia, sazRvarze
ver gagvaqvs da iafad vyidiTo.
wigni 50 dolarad viyide da ma-
leve muzeumSi gavagzavne. danar-
Ceni nivTebi vis xelSi moxvda da
ra bedi ewia, ucnobia.. samegre-
lom gasabWoebis Semdegac uamra-
vi awiokeba gadaitana. 90-ian
wlebSi „mxedrionelTa“ TareSs
adgilobrivi mosaxleoba kidev
didxans ver daiviwyebs. Tvalebi-
dan ar amomdis, rogor miuSvira
dRes parlamentari da didi ma-
muliSvili rom qvia, im pirovne-
bam Cemi winaprebis sasaxles av-
tomatis jeri. sityvam moitana
da getyviT, rom sapatriarqoSi
mqonda Setanili werili berTe-
mis teritoriaze arsebuli mo-
nastrebis aRdgenis TxovniT. Ta-
vis droze, am monastrebTan iyo
skolebi, sadac glexebis Svi-
lebs frangul enas aswavlidnen.
Tqven warmoidgineT, im dros, na-
xevari samegrelo frangulad
laparakobda. ra Tqma unda, xe-
lisuflebaSi mosvlisTanave,
bolSevikebma berTemis terito-
riaze arsebuli skolebi da mo-
nastrebi dawves da amis aRdgena
mindoda. sapatriarqom Tanadgoma
aRmiqva, magram ase advili ar aR-
moCnda, radgan yvelaferi mainc
finansebzea damokidebuli..
_ rogorc vici, kulturis
saministros bolSevikebis mier
mitacebuli qonebis dabrunebac
moTxoveT.
_ Cemi winaprebis didi qone-
bidan dRes mxolod berTemi-no-
qalaqevis teritoriaze arsebu-
li abano gadarCa. abanos wiaRi-
dan gamodis, samkurnalo, cxeli
wyali. abano ori ganyofilebis-
gan da saerTo auzisgan Sedgeba.
ra Tqma unda, bolSevikebma es
abanoc waiRes. iqve pionerTa ba-
naki aages da kotejebic Cadges.
nacionalebis xelisuflebis
dros, Cvenamde movida xma, rom
abanos teritoriiT erT-erTi
cnobili nacionalis meuRle iyo
dainteresebuli, magram ratom-
Rac dasakuTreba ver moaxerxa.
sul axlaxan, samegrelodan da-
mikavSirdnen da Sematyobines,
rom abanos teritoria ucnobma
pirebma SemoRobes. gamoricxuli
araa, rom abanos teritoriiT
romelime ucxoeli dainteresda
da iq raRac saeWvo dawesebule-
bis gaxsnas apirebs. kulturis
saministros weriliT mivmarTe
da vTxove, sanam cocxali var,
abanos SemoRobvis da misakuTre-
bis uflebas aravis mivcem Tqo.
ar vici, es ambavi rogor damTav-
rdeba, magram mimaCnia, rom Cemi
gvaris devna da represiebi dRem-
de grZeldeba, rac Zalian samwu-
xaroa. saubris bolos ekis samo-
nastro kompleqsis Temas davub-
rundebi da vityvi, rom imeds ar
vkargav, rom xelisufleba am Te-
miT dainteresdeba da monaster-
Si aRmoCenili akldamis saidum-
los fardas axdis.
dainteresdebian Tu ara sa-
xelmwifo uwyebebi ekis samonas-
tro kompleqsSi aRmoCenili ak-
ldamiT, gagrZeldeba Tu ara
kompleqsis teritoriaze sxva
saTavsoebis moZieba da am saqmis
Sesaswavlad gamoiyofa Tu ara
komisia, dro gvaCvenebs. Cven ki
imeds vitovebT, rom gaurkvevel
viTarebaSi da savaraudod, Zala-
dobrivi sikvdiliT aRsrulebu-
li adamianebis cxedrebs miwas
umokles droSi miabareben.
neli Tordia571 35 36 88
ra saidumlos malavs ekis samonastro
kompleqsSi arsebuli akldama, sadac
aTobiT adamianis ConCxia aRmoCenili?
19saerTo gazeTi#36 (348), 18.XI, 2015 w. g a x s e n e b a
Temo (ase eZaxdnen mas me-
gobrebi, studentebi, axlob-
lebi) goreliSvili Tsu-Si
aRmosavleTmcodneobis fa-
kultetze, sparsuli enisa
da literaturis ganxriT,
Cairicxa. studentobis peri-
odSi igi studentTa samec-
niero sabWos Tavmjdomare
iyo, paralelurad, Tsu-s
simfoniur orkestrSi ukrav-
da, operisa da baletis Te-
atris dasSi ki _ cekvavda.
man saxelmwifo universite-
ti warCinebiT (wiTel dip-
lomze) daamTavra, ris Semd-
gomac, samecniero-kvleviTi
saqmianobis gasagrZeleblad,
iranistikis kaTedraze da-
toves.
1960-61 wlebSi Temo go-
reliSvili `soiuzdorproeq-
tis~ miwveviT avRaneTSi _
teqnikuri saswavleblis mTa-
var mTargmnelad mivlinebiT
gaemgzavra. misi pirveli sa-
mecniero kvleviTi saqmianoba
swored heraTSi daiwyo. mec-
nieruli kvlevis pirveli sa-
mizne heraTis literaturu-
li skola da sparsuli kla-
sikuri poeziis brwyinvale
warmomadgenelis _ abd-or-
rahman jamis (1414-1492ww.)
cxovreba da moRvaweoba gax-
da. fexSiSveli, fotoapara-
tisa da saweri mowyobilobe-
bis gareSe (Setana ikrZaleba)
saflavis qvebTan saaTobiT
ijda, kiTxulobda, Semdeg
izepirebda da mere qaRaldze
gadmohqonda. Temom heraTSi
`sindbad-names~ leqsiTi ver-
siis uaRresad saintereso,
unikaluri xelnaweri aRmoa-
Cina, romelic mecnierebisaT-
vis manamde cnobili ar iyo.
man, es xelnaweri, Tavadve ga-
moikvlia da daamuSava, riTac
am Zeglis Seswavlis saqmeSi
mniSvnelovani wvlili Seita-
na.
1965 wels Temo gore-
liSvilma filologiur mec-
nierebaTa kandidatis samecni-
ero xarisxis mosapoveblad
daicva disertacia Temaze:
`Timsariani~ anu `sindbad-na-
mes~ sparsuli da qarTuli
versiebi~.
Temo goreliSvili, sakma-
od axalgazrda, 31 wlis
asakSi tragikulad daiRupa.
wels gardacvalebidan 50 we-
li Sesrulda.
elizbar ja-
veliZe mis uax-
loes megobars
ase ixsenebs: `50
wlis win daRu-
pul megobarze
saubari, erTob
Znelia. siZnele
imiT aris ganpi-
robebuli, rom
am wlebis man-
Zilze megobris
xati mudam Tan
gaxlda, ar gSo-
rdeboda, coc-
xal arsebad wa-
rmogedgina da
masTan saubrobdi. axla ki
damTrgunavi realobis winaSe
dgaxar da gsurs Tu ar gs-
urs, acnobiereb, Segnebulad
Tavs ityuebdi da iimedebdi,
riTac suls imSvidebdi mxo-
lod.
Temo goreliSvili Cemi
uaxloesi megobari iyo da
aris. iSviaTad Semxvedria ad-
amiani, romelic misi dari
sulieri silaRiT, xelgaS-
lilobiTa da uSualobiT ga-
moirCeoda. igi aRmosavleTm-
codneTSoris, kerZod, spar-
suli literaturis daunje-
buli mkvlevaria, romelmac,
miuxedavad imisa, rom sruli-
ad axalgazrda asakSi garda-
icvala RvTiur saufloSi,
dagvitova mecnieruli Tu
mxatvruli naxelavi, maradi-
uli feriT rom mosavs mis
amqveyniur arsebobas. is gamo-
irCeoda araCveulebrivi Sro-
misunarianobiT: adrian dili-
dan moyolebuli gvian saRa-
momde aRmosavleTmcodneobis
kabinetSi fexmoucvlelad
ijda, muSaobda da Tavis naR-
vawiT kmayofili, uars rodi
ambobda yurZnis naJuris da-
gemovnebaze. Temo ufrosebi-
sadmi gansakuTrebuli pati-
viscemiT da moridebiT gamo-
irCeoda, umcrosebisadmi ki
saocari gulisxmierebiTa da
yuradRebiT. magram mas mainc
amSvenebda siyvarulis saoca-
ri niWi, usazRvro Tavda-
viwyebaSi ganfenils xSirad
uTqvams CemTvis: vaJkaci is
aris, visac ZaluZs siyvaru-
lis monobao. swored am siy-
varuls Seewira igi Segnebu-
lad!
mwams, Temos suli RvTiur
siTeTreSi netarebs, xolo
misi xati ki CemTan iqneba mu-
dam, vidre am napirs `moadge-
ba saCemo navi da me am qvey-
niT samudamod im qveynad wa-
val~...
akademikosi aleqsandre
baramiZe ki Temo goreliSvi-
lis sakandidato naSromis
Taobaze daweril recenziaSi
mas ase axasiaTebs: `warmodge-
nili naSromi vrceli gamokv-
levaa. avtori saqmianad da
codniT iTvaliswinebs `sind-
bad-names~ warmoSobisa da
msoflioSi gavrcelebul is-
torias, sagangebod Cerdeba
mis sparsul versiaze. ker-
Zod, dawvrilebiT ixilavs
zahiri samaryandelis proza-
ul versias, arkvevs mis Sina-
arsobriv-ideur, kompoziciur
mxatvrul mxareebs. saintere-
so SeniSvnebs gvTavazobs
sparsuli leqsis versiazec,
romlis erTi, dRemdis mecni-
erebisaTvis ucnobi xelnawe-
ri, heraTis muzeumSi, mas Ta-
vad moukvlevia. avtors Seus-
wavlia am versiis yvela xel-
naweri da gamocemebi; qarTu-
li teqsti Seudarebia spar-
suli dednisTvis da sagu-
lisxmo daskvnebic miucia~.
Temos yofili studenti,
amJamad, profesori, poeti,
Tsu-s iranistikis kaTedris
gamge nomadi barTaia: `Teira-
nis wignis saerTaSoriso ga-
mofena-bazrobaze var. sas-
tumroSi dabrunebuls ambavi
damxvda, rom erTi iraneli
profesori iyo mosuli da
Cemi naxva undoda. adgilze
rom ar davxvdi, daubarebia,
meore dRes saRamoTi movalo.
meore saRamosac ver Sevxvdi
da mesame dRes, rogorc iqna
orives gagvimarTla. gamecno
_ televizorSi gnaxeT, gavi-
ge, rom saqarTvelodan xarT
CamobrZanebuli. me, iraneli
iranisti, profesori gaxla-
varT da TqvenTan imisTvis
movedi, gkiTxoT, batoni Ten-
giz goreliSvilis Sesaxeb,
rogor aris, amJamad raze mu-
Saobso? gamikvirda, sam aTe-
ul welze meti xnis win gar-
dacvlili kacis ambavs rom
kiTxulobda da mivuge _ sam-
wuxarod, batoni Tengizi
karga xania am qveynad ar
aris-meTqi. _ rogor, ras me-
ubnebiTo! _ Seicxada ise,
rogorc uaxloesi adamianis
Sesaxeb Seicxadeben Tavzar-
damcem ambavs! _ vkiTxe _ sa-
idan icnobdiT-meTqi?... me mis
`sindbad-names~ vicnob, mec
mag Temaze vmuSaobo. swored
es gamokvleva iyo mizezi,
rom ase Seicxada iranelma
profesorma `sindbad-names~
mkvlevaris gardacvalebis am-
bavi. vin icis, ramdeni da-
aklda qarTul da aramar-
to qarTul iranistikas am
50 wlis manZilze misi
tragikuli sikvdilis ga-
mo.
gardacvalebidan 50
wlis gasvlis Semdeg, me-
gobars, filologiur mec-
nierebaTa doqtori, profe-
sori gogi anTelava ase ix-
senebs: `Tbilisis saxelm-
wifo universitetis aRmo-
savleTmcodneobis kabineti
iyo myudro savane, romel-
Sic saocrad Tbili atmos-
fero sufevda.
kabinetSi `mudmivad Ca-
werili~ iyo sparsuli fi-
lologiis ganyofilebis st-
udenti, mudam keTilad mom-
Rimari Temo goreliSvili.
studentebisTvis ubralod
Temo, xolo profesurisTvis
Tengizi, riTac, vfiqrob, isi-
ni mis mimarT erTgvar pati-
viscemas gamoxatavdnen, rasac
igi namdvilad imsaxurebda.
Zalian mogvaklda, rode-
sac Tarjimnad samuSaod avR-
aneTSi wavida. maSin iq mSvi-
doba iyo. manqana iyida, `mos-
kviCi-408~, moyviTalo fer-
is... netav ar eyida... im Rames
erTad viyaviT daviTaSvilis
quCis boloSi `samadloSi~.
Temo manqaniT iyo. restorni-
dan yvelani met-naklebad nas-
vamebi gamovediT. saWesTan me
davjeqi, Temo ar davsvi. cxo-
nebuli SoTa Wubabria iqve
cxovrobda da igi darCa,
elizbar javeliZe ( mas Te-
mosTan gansakuTrebuli siax-
love akavSirebda) aviyvaneT
saxlSi, sergi mesxis quCaze.
daaxloebiT, Ramis ori saaTi
iyo, roca Temo saxlSi miviy-
vane. igi saburTaloze, tro-
leibusebis parkis mopirdapi-
re mxares erT-erT korpusSi
cxovrobda. saxlSi avediT,
manqanis gasaRebi Temos dedas
miveci da wamovedi buzRun-
buzRuniT _ saxlamde fexiT
unda mevlo. `CargalTan~ (iyo
aseTi restorani, axla iq
kacma ar icis ra aris) ar vi-
yavi misuli, rom gavigone
manqanis saSineli xma da Cems
win didi siCqariT Temos man-
qanam gaiqrola... meore di-
liT universitetSi leqcia
mqonda da aRmosavleTmcodne-
obis institutSi dagvianebiT
mivedi. karebSi batoni magali
Todua Semxvda da mkiTxa: Te-
ngizis ra ici? ar mkiTxoT-
meTqi, masze gabrazebuli var.
arc ukiTxavs, ratom. pirda-
pir miTxra: Temo daiRupao!
im dResve yvelaferi gavark-
vieT. saWesTan daeZina. ar
Rirs amaze saubari. erTi ki
unda iTqvas, rom im dros Za-
lian uWirda, ver isvenebda,
ver miiRo, ver Seegua sayva-
reli adamianisgan miyenebul
tkivils, verc gamosavali
ipova da...
mas Semdeg 50 weli gavi-
da, magram laRi da lamazi
Temo dResac keTilad gviRi-
mis~.
megobarTa jgufi
ubralod, Temo...
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—rogoria sisxlis samarTlis ka-
nonmdeblobaSi xandazmulobis sakiTxi?
-muxli 71. sisxlis-samarTlebrivi
pasuxismgeblobisagan
gaTavisufleba xandazmulobis vadis
gasvlis gamo
1. piri Tavisufldeba sisxlis-sa-
marTlebrivi pasuxismgeblobisagan, Tu
gavida:
a) ori weli im danaSaulis Cade-
nidan, romlisTvisac am kodeqsis kerZo
nawilis muxliT an muxlis nawiliT
gaTvaliswinebuli maqsimaluri sasje-
li ar aRemateba ori wliT Tavisufle-
bis aRkveTas;
b) eqvsi weli sxva, naklebad mZime
danaSaulis Cadenidan;
g) aTi weli mZime danaSaulis Cade-
nidan;
g1) TxuTmeti weli am kodeqsis
332-e–3421 muxlebiT gaTvaliswinebu-
li danaSaulebisaTvis, Tu isini ar mi-
ekuTvneba gansakuTrebiT mZime danaSa-
uls;
d) ocdaxuTi weli gansakuTrebiT
mZime danaSaulis Cadenidan.
2. xandazmulobis vada gamoiangari-
Seba danaSaulis Cadenis dRidan piris
braldebulis saxiT pasuxisgebaSi mi-
cemamde axali danaSaulis Cadenis Sem-
TxvevaSi xandazmulobis vada gamoianga-
riSeba TiToeuli danaSaulisaTvis.
3. xandazmulobis vadis dineba Se-
Cerdeba, Tu damnaSave daemala gamoZie-
bas an sasamarTlos. am SemTxvevaSi xan-
dazmulobis vadis dineba ganaxldeba
damnaSavis dakavebis an bralis aRiare-
biT gamocxadebis momentidan.
4. sakiTxs, unda Seefardos Tu ara
xandazmulobis vada uvado Tavisufle-
bis aRkveTiT msjavrdebuls, wyvets sa-
samarTlo. Tu sasamarTlo SeuZleblad
miiCnevs xandazmulobis gamoyenebas,
uvado Tavisuflebis aRkveTa Seicvleba
vadiani Tavisuflebis aRkveTiT.
5. xandazmuloba ar gamoiyeneba sa-
qarTvelos saerTaSoriso xelSekrule-
biT gaTvaliswinebul SemTxvevaSi.
6. xandazmulobis vadis dineba Se-
Cerdeba im vadiT, ra droSic pirs
icavs imuniteti.
7. garda am muxlis me-3 da me-6 na-
wilebiT gaTvaliswinebuli SemTxveve-
bisa, xandazmulobis vadis dineba aseve
Cerdeba im drois ganmavlobaSi, rode-
sac SeuZlebelia saqarTveloSi eqst-
radirebuli piris mimarT Sesabamisi
saproceso moqmedebebis ganxorcieleba
„sisxlis samarTlis sferoSi saerTa-
Soriso TanamSromlobis Sesaxeb“ sa-
qarTvelos kanonis me-16 muxlis me-2
nawilis Tanaxmad.
8. „sisxlis samarTlis sferoSi sa-
erTaSoriso TanamSromlobis Sesaxeb“
saqarTvelos kanonis 42-e muxlis Ta-
naxmad sisxlis samarTlis saqmis masa-
lebis an maTi saTanadod damowmebuli
aslebis saqarTveloSi Semdgomi samar-
Talwarmoebis mizniT gadmogzavnisas
saqarTveloSi procesis mwarmoebeli
organo mxolod im SemTxvevaSi miiRebs
mxedvelobaSi ucxo saxelmwifos kanon-
mdeblobiT gaTvaliswinebul xandazmu-
lobis vadis dinebis SeCerebis safuZv-
lebs, Tu isini am muxliT gaTvaliswi-
nebuli xandazmulobis vadis dinebis
SeCerebis safuZvlebis analogiuria.
muxli 76. sasjelis moxdisagan ga-
Tavisufleba
gamamtyunebeli ganaCenis xandazmu-
lobis gamo
1. msjavrdebuli Tavisufldeba sas-
jelis moxdisagan, Tu kanonier ZalaSi
Sesuli gamamtyunebeli ganaCeni ar aR-
srulebula Semdeg vadebSi:
a) or welSi im danaSaulis Cade-
nidan, romlisTvisac am kodeqsis kerZo
nawilis muxliT an muxlis nawiliT
gaTvaliswinebuli maqsimaluri sasje-
li ar aRemateba ori wliT Tavisufle-
bis aRkveTas;
b) eqvs welSi sxva, naklebad mZime
danaSaulisaTvis msjavrdebis dros;
g) aT welSi mZime danaSaulisaTvis
msjavrdebis dros;
d) TxuTmet welSi gansakuTrebiT
mZime danaSaulisaTvis msjavrdebis
dros.
2. xandazmulobis vadis dineba Se-
Cerdeba, Tu msjavrdebulma Tavi aarida
sasjelis moxdas. am SemTxvevaSi xan-
dazmulobis vadis dineba ganaxldeba
msjavrdebulis dakavebis an bralis
aRiarebiT gamocxadebis momentidan. xan-
dazmulobis vadaSi CaiTvleba sasjelis
moxdisagan Tavis aridebamde gasuli
dro.
3. sakiTxs, unda Seefardos Tu ara
xandazmulobis vada uvado Tavisufle-
bis aRkveTiT msjavrdebuls, wyvets sa-
samarTlo. Tu sasamarTlo SeuZleblad
miiCnevs xandazmulobis gamoyenebas,
uvado Tavisuflebis aRkveTa Seicvleba
vadiani Tavisuflebis aRkveTiT.
4. xandazmuloba ar gamoiyeneba sa-
qarTvelos saerTaSoriso xelSekrule-
biT gaTvaliswinebul SemTxvevaSi.
5. xandazmulobis vadis dineba Se-
Cerdeba im vadiT, ra vadaSic pirs
icavs imuniteti.
6. garda am muxlis me-2, me-4 da me-
5 nawilebiT gaTvaliswinebuli SemTx-
vevebisa, xandazmulobis vadis dineba
aseve Cerdeba im drois ganmavlobaSi,
rodesac SeuZlebelia saqarTveloSi
eqstradirebuli msjavrdebulis mimarT
Sesabamisi saproceso moqmedebebis gan-
xorcieleba „sisxlis samarTlis sfe-
roSi saerTaSoriso TanamSromlobis
Sesaxeb“ saqarTvelos kanonis me-16
muxlis me-2 punqtis Tanaxmad.
7. ucxo qveynis uflebamosili sa-
samarTlos mier gamotanili ganaCenis
„sisxlis samarTlis sferoSi saerTa-
Soriso TanamSromlobis Sesaxeb“ sa-
qarTvelos kanonis VI Tavis Tanaxmad
saqarTveloSi aRsasruleblad gadmog-
zavnis SemTxvevaSi saqarTvelos Sesa-
bamisi organo mxolod im SemTxvevaSi
miiRebs mxedvelobaSi ucxo qveynis ka-
nonmdeblobiT gaTvaliswinebul xan-
dazmulobis vadis dinebis SeCerebis
safuZvlebs, Tu isini am muxliT gaT-
valiswinebuli xandazmulobis vadis
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