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ProjectCamelot|BillHamiltontranscriptVIDEOINTERVIEWSVIDEOINTERVIEWSSPECIALREPORTSSPECIALREPORTSAUDIOINTERVIEWSAUDIOINTERVIEWSTheBarcelonaConferenceTheBarcelonaConferenceTheBrusselsConferenceTheBrusselsConferenceTheLosAngelesConferenceTheLosAngelesConferenceTheZurichConferenceTheZurichConferenceCamelotLiveatVilcabambaCamelotLiveatVilcabambaAaronMcCollumAaronMcCollumNEW:THEANGLO-SAXONMISSIONNEW:THEANGLO-SAXONMISSIONBenjaminFulfordBenjaminFulfordDrBillDeagleDrBillDeagleBillHamiltonBillHamiltonBillHoldenBillHoldenBillRyanandKerryCassidyBillRyanandKerryCassidyBobDeanBobDeanBoriskaBoriskaDrBrianO'LearyDrBrianO'LearySgt.CliffordStoneSgt.CliffordStoneDanBurischDanBurischDanShermanDanShermanDaneTopsDaneTopsDavidCorsoDavidCorsoDavidIckeDavidIckeDavidWilcockDavidWilcockDuncanO'FinioanDuncanO'FinioanElizabethNelsonElizabethNelsonErichvonDnikenErichvonDnikenGaryMcKinnonGaryMcKinnonGeorgeGreenGeorgeGreenGordonNovelGordonNovel'HenryDeacon''HenryDeacon'JaneBrgermeisterJaneBrgermeisterJamesfromWingmakersJamesfromWingmakersJimHumbleJimHumbleJimMarrsJimMarrsJimSparksJimSparksJohnLearJohnLearJohnRobieJohnRobieJosephFarrellJosephFarrellKlausDonaKlausDonaLeoZagamiLeoZagamiDrLenHorowitzDrLenHorowitzLucaScantamburloLucaScantamburloMarciaSchaferMarciaSchaferMiriamDelicado

MiriamDelicado'Mr.X',theUFOarchivist'Mr.X',theUFOarchivistPatrickGerylPatrickGerylPeterLevendaPeterLevendaDrPetePetersonDrPetePetersonDrPaulLaVioletteDrPaulLaVioletteRalphRingRalphRingRicardoSilvaRicardoSilvaRichardHoaglandRichardHoaglandDrStevenGreerDrStevenGreerTheCrystalSkullTheCrystalSkullTonyDoddTonyDoddWadeFrazierWadeFrazierBillHamilton:Interviewtranscript

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CallingDowntheCraft:AdventureswiththeMindAvideointerviewwithBillHamiltonLaughlin,Nevada,March2006

Shot,editedanddirectedbyKerryLynnCassidy

BillHamilton:HaveIseenaUFO?ManyUFOs.KerryCassidy:ManyUFOs.Andcouldyoutelluswhoyouare?B:Well,mynameisBillHamilton.IvebeeninvolvedinUFOresearchprobablymostofmylife.Igotinvolvedintheactualinvestigationofcasesstartingin1976withtheBrianScottcase.AndthatswhenIjoinedMUFONandbecameaFieldInvestigator.

K:SohowlongwereyouaFieldInvestigatorforMUFON?B:Probablysince19...well,letmesee...25yearsoffandon...K:Howdidyouinteractwithaliens?B:...itwas1957.K:Wow.B:AndwhatIknewaboutaboutUFOsIhadlearnedfromwhatIcalltheCaliforniaContacteesbackatthattime.Andtherewasntalotofcontroversyaboutthecontactees,aboutUFOsorwhatever.Infact,Ihadstartedtomeetthe


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contactees.AndIwasonly14andIhadabuddyinhighschool...wewerefreshmeninhighschool...andIsaid,Iwouldliketotryanexperiment.IwouldliketotryanexperimentalongthesamelinesthatGeorgeHuntWilliamsondidinattemptingcontactwiththeseUFOs.Right?Now,IbelievetheyretherebutIwanttoseeifIcancontactthem.Wetriedthisexperiment,andobviouslywedidnothavethehamradioequipment.Wedidnthaveanythingthatwecoulduseexceptanattemptatpsychiccontactbyusingpencilandpaper.Andwhenweinitiatedthislittleexperimentwestartedtohearasoundthatwasreverberatingthroughouttheroom.Andsowegotupandwelookedallaroundtheapartment.HeandIwere....HewasaFrench-CanadiannamedYves[Lauriault].HeandIweretogetheraloneinhisparentsapartment.Andwecouldntlocatethesourceofthesound,sowedecidedtogooutdoors.Whenwewentoutdoorsitseemedlikethesoundwasemanatingfromtheskyaboveus.Sowediscontinuedourlittleexperiment,wentdownstairsandsatonthegrass.Andassoonaswedidthis,thefirstthingthatwesawwasavery...well,itlookedtouslikeitwastiny...atinyredglowingdiscjustglidesrightoverourheads.Soundlessly.Onecameby.Asecondonecameby.Atthatmomentintime,unknowntome,Yvescontinuedtheexperiment.Hewassendingoutthesementalrequestsforthesecondobjectthatpassedovertoturnaroundandcomeback.Andwhathappenedis,assoonashedidthat,theobjectexecutedaturn,avery,very

tight180andcamerightbackoverourheads.K:Wow.B:Andsohetoldmewhathewasdoingandhesaid,Ifweseemore,letsdoittogether.Andwesawtwomoreappear.Andtheywerealltravelingfromnorthtosouth,andsowesentoutarequestforthemtoturnaroundandfolloweachother,right?Andtheydid.Imean,itwasalmostinstantly.Well,alltogetherthatnightwesawfourteenobjects.Afterthat,YvesfatherhadtomoveandtookYvesoutofschoolandIdidntseehimagain.Infact,Ihaventseenhimuntilabout,oh,threeyearsago.Hefoundmeontheinternet.AndIfoundouthewasrightoverinBakersfield,andhedroveovertoseeme.WhenwetalkedIalsofoundoutthatwastheonlyUFOexperienceheeverhadandhestillrememberedeverydetail.Hewasimpressedbyit.

Sothatwasunknowntomeatthetime,andIcontinuedtheexperimentforthreeyears,onlyfrommyhouse.Right?AndsoItookmy...IwaslivingwithmyauntandmygrandmotherandItookheroutsideandsaid,Ivegotoneuptherenow.Andshesaid,Imwatchingtelevision.AndIsaid,Well,youtoldmetotellyouwhenIsawone,thatyoudliketoseeit.SoItookheroutthereand[pointingupward]Isaid,Thereitis.Andshesaid,Thatsit?AndIsaid,Yeah.Rightnowitjustlookslikealight,brightinthesky,Isaid,butwatchthis[gesturingupwardleft,thenright]Turnleft.Turnright.Sheturnswhiteasasheetandshesaid,OhmyGod,youretalkingtoit.AndIsaid,Yeah,thatswhatIvebeentellingyouallalong.Andthenitoccurredtomethatshewasjusthumoringmeuntilshesawitforherself.K:Wow.B:Andtheseexperimentscontinued,sothat...Ihadaverylargeobjectin

1958.Hovered.Itwascominginfasterthanajetandstoppedonadime.Ihadafriendfromacrossthestreetover.Ihadmyfirsttelescope.Thisthingwasasbigasa747anditjusthungintheair.Thatiswhatstimulatedmetothink,Howdiditdothat?Imgoingtostudythescienceofgravity.Imgoingtofindouthowitdefiesgravity.Andinertia....Right?Twobasicqualitiesofaphysicalobjectthatsinmotion,right?Becausewhenthisthing...Itflippedend-over-endanditstartedupagain...Imeanitwasjustlikeithadnomass.Itjustwentwhooshandstartedtoclimbandatthatmoment,Imean,myfriendwaslookingthroughthetelescope.Ittookthatlongforhimtorespond,lookup


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andseeitriseintotheclouds.AndthenIusedto...thenIstartedcallingthemdown,likeusingthemforaYes/Nogame.Right?Itdidntevenoccurtomethattherewerelogisticstothisoranything.Right?Just...Oh,Ijustmetthisnewpersonsaystheiracontactee.Ifthisistrue,doyouknowaboutit?Canyoushowme?Right?Andsometimestheydcomeover,dashingrightovermyheadabout100yardsup.Imean,nowtheygetlower,right?Ah,thentherewasanothertimewhenitseemedlikeIwasbathedinsomekindofelectricalshower.Right?AndthenIcould...Istartedgettingtelepathicanswers.Veryshort.Right?Butoneofthemjuststruckme,Ithinkitwasaround1959.Itwasgolden.Itwasagoldendisc.Justbeautiful.Justhangingthereanditsaid,Wakeupyourmind.Youreinadeepsleep.Yeah,andthatstayedwithme.Anothertimewewereoutinthedesertexperimentingwithalightbeamtransceivertocommunicatewiththem.Andtherewasabout14people.Theguyyousawdownstairs,BobShort,wasoutthereandhecanremembertheincidentbecausewewereusingthelightbeamtransmitterforline-of-sighttransmissionintothesky,saying,Ifyoureceiveoursignal,couldyoupleaserespond?Ofcourse,wewerehopingforasignalback.Theyneverrespondedthroughthelightbeamtransceiver,althoughsomepeoplehavebeensuccessfulwiththem.Instead,forsomereason,andtherewereotherswhowerecontacteesoutthere

thatday,Iwastheonethatheard,youknow,justliketheydidovermydriveway,theyrepeatedthismessage.Andtheysaid,Lookforourbrightblueflareinthewest.Threetimes.AndIsaid,IbettertellmybuddyJohnherebecauseifithappenshesnotgoingtobelievemeifItellhimafterthefact.SoItoldhim.AfterItoldhimexactlywhatthewordswere,BobShort,whosdownstairs,said...Somebodyhadaskedhim,Well,whatdirectioniswest?Anditwasjustlikesynchronizedtosomekindof...youknow,itsjustliketheatrewiththesepeople.Right?K:[laughs]B:Hepointsjustlikethis...andjustashedid,abluebolidecamerightdown.Itlookedlikebarbells,right?Veryunusual.Beautiful.AndJohnwroteaboutiteventuallyinhisbookbuthedecidedtoleavemynameout.K:ThiswasJohn....?

B:ThiswasJohnMcCoyfromTexas.K:So,where...Areyoufrom....didthishappenmainlyinTexas?B:ThishappenedinthehighdesertofCalifornia.K:Ah.B:ImnotfromTexas...althoughIvespenttimeintheAirForcethere.Mycontacteetypeofexperiences...Imean,asaucerneverlandedandinvitedmeaboard.IdobelievethatIhadencounterswithpeoplehereonEarththatwerenotfromEarth.Verybriefencounters.Backthen,andevenlateron,okay,theyalwaysseemedtohappenataboutthetimethatIlaunchedaninvestigationintosomething.Iwantedtoknowtheanswers.Iwenttocollege,leftthatcontacteeerabehindme.Droppedoutofcollegedue

toeconomicnecessity,joinedtheAirForce,wentintoAirForceSecurityService.HadonesightingwhileIwasintheAirForce.Gotdischarged.Wentintotheaerospaceindustry.Iwantedtobeanaerospaceengineer.Thatdidnthappenbecausetheaerospaceindustrycollapsed.Igotintocomputers.Istarted...Iwenttonightschool,learnedprogramming,becameaprogrammer.Beenoneeversince.K:YouworkatUCLA?Isthatright?B:IworkatUCLAasaprogrammer/analyst,seniorprogrammer/analyst.Justabouttoretire.Ialwayslovedscienceandengineering,sokindofregrettednot


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goingalongthatline.PeopleonEarthwhoarenotfromEarthK:Soyousayyouvehadinteractionswithbeingsthat...Imassumingtheylookhuman?B:Thesepeoplecanmoveamongus.Theycouldbedownstairsandmingleandyouwouldntknowit.K:Uhhuh.B:Now,itisntbecausetheydonthaveafewdistinguishingfeatures,theyrekindoflikeheightenedfeatures.Theyre...inappearance,theyreperfect.Theywouldbeourconceptionofperfectmenandwomen.Imean,theyhaveabsolutesymmetryoffeatures.Theyhaveflawlessskin.Theyhaveperfecteyesight,perfectteeth,perfectform.Everythingseemsperfect,asiftheyhavemasteredthegeneticmasterplan.Onedifferenceis,youmightnoticeifyoulookedatthem,istheireyes.Someofthemhavealittledifferenteyecoloringthanyouwouldseeinahuman,ortheyllhavetheselittlesparklingsilverorgoldenflakesintheireyes.K:Hmm.B:Thesetypesalsowereextremelystrong.Afive-foot-threewomancouldliftasix-foot-fourmanrightoffthegroundwiththestrengthoftenmen.Theycouldbendtheirfingersback.Theysaywearerelatedtothem.Were...wearethehybrids,notthem;theyarethepureformofman,right?Hu-Man,right?Thatwasthestorywegotbackinthosedays.Lotsofcontactsinthe1960s.I

actuallysawtwoofthemdrivingacaronahighwayandtheywantedtomakecontactwithme.Theyletmeknow.AnditsbecausetherewasanotherpersonIknewinHollywoodwhohadcontactwiththemwhotoldmeaboutthatincidentthathappenedonthehighway,thatImfairlyconvinced,becauseshewasntthere,andsohowdidsheknow?Right?Igotinterestedinsomeofthe,ah...Istartedhearingaboutabductions,right?Youknow,BettyHillabductionandeverything.AndatfirstIrejectedthem.Thatwasnt...didnotconformtothepatternthatIalreadyknew.Andbelieveme,backinthe50stherewerealotofpeoplethathadcontactexperiencesthatnevergotuponalecturestand,neverwroteabook,wereneverinterviewedonit,butIspoketothem.

K:Uhhuh.B:Andinoneparticularcase,someofthesepeopleshowedupoutatGiantRock,fourofthem,with36witnesses,outthere.BythetimeIstartedgoingoutthere,Icouldonlyfindtwoorthreewitnessesoutofthose36.[missingdialogforfiveseconds]AndthepersonIreallyfeltstrongaboutwasGeorgeVanTassel.IbecamegoodfriendswithGeorgeVanTassel.Ihadsomanyconversationswiththatman,hoursofthem.Youknow,Ijustadmiredhim.Hehadthistremendousbreadthofknowledgeandhedidnthaveanyrealhigherformaleducation.TheotherpersonIknewverywellwasDanielFry,becauseIwasvicepresidentofthisgroup.And

hewasabrilliantguy,andhedidnthaveanyformaleducation.K:Hm.So,youvebeensortofoneofthemainresearchersinvolvedwithDanBurisch,right?B:Yes,well,thatscomingwayupintimebecauseitwas,whenIstartedtoinvestigateBrianScottinthe1970s,whowasanabductee/contactee.Hewasboth,right?Ah,Ispentfouryearsonthatcase.Thatshowfascinating.AndthenitwasduringthatperiodoftimeIspentfouryearsthatIhadtwooftheseguyswalkintomyhouse.K:Twoofwhatguys?B:Whoevertheywere!


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DanBurisch,andImcuriousaboutthat.B:Ah,yeah,becauseBrianwasthefirsttimeIhadheardabouttheyears2011and2012.WhenImetDanBurischlateron,Imhearingabout2012.(Imjusttryingtorapidlyscanthroughthis.)Iwentfrombeinginterestedinthat...DuringthatperiodoftimeIwasinterestedintheBrianScottcaseIhadpeoplecomingtomethatwereformermilitarypeople.ThisishowIgotinvolvedinthatpart.Thatturnedintothe80sandIhadinvestigated,oh,aboutadozenabductioncasesbythenasaMUFONinvestigator.And/orsites,right?Whatevertherewasinmyarea.Andthen,youknow,IevengaveFieldInvestigatortrainingclassesafterawhile,youknow,andIstartedreallygettingintoitbecauseIwasgoodat[laughs]scientificinvestigationatleast.Ihadnotrainingasfaras,youknow,detective,policetypeinvesti...orforensics,right?butthatfitsintheretoo.K:Uhhuh.B:But,see,Itransitedoverintosuddenlypeopletellingmeaboutcrashretrievals.AndIgotinterestedinthat.Crashretrievalsduringthemid80smovedintoundergroundbasesandArea51.IfirstheardaboutArea51in1984andaboutLt.RobertVaughnandhowhediedwhenhisplanecrashed.Lt.-Commander...ImeanLt.-GeneralRobertVaughnwhowasViceCommanderoftheAirForceSystemsCommand.Imgoing,Itsawfullyunusualforhimtobetestflyingsomeaircraft,right?WhywouldaViceCommandergooutthereandriskhislife?Theyuselieutenants,captains,andmajorsfordoingtestflights.IwasintheAirForcethen,bytheway.IwasinAirForceSecurityService.I

hadaTopSecretCryptoclearance.SoIwasalsofamiliarwith...K:Soletshearalittleaboutthat.Didyou...atthetimeyouwereintheAirForceyouwerenotprivyto,Imassuming,theUFO...B:No.No,no,no.K:OK.Butyoualwayshadthishistorybehindyou.Doyouthinkthat,orwas,theAirForceawareofthathistory?B:Yes.Well,IneededtohaveaTopSecretclearance.TheFBItooksixmonthstogivemethatclearance.TheytalkedtosomeofmyfriendswhoknewmeoutatGiantRock...spacecraftconventions!Ithought,Thatsit.Theyllnevergivemeaclearance.K:[laughs]B:Right?No.No.Theyall...thesefriendsgavemeaglowingreport,sotheytookme.Igotmyclearance.

K:Wow.SoOK.SoasfarasDanBurischisconcerned....B:Yeah,hecamealongmuchlater.Imean,Iwentthroughabout...IhadcollectedtestimonybythattimethatStevenGreer...youknowwhoheis...K:Yeah.B:...gotinvolvedinhisprojectofwitnesses.Hegothisfirstwitnessesfromme.AtthattimeIhadnoprojectinmind,likehedid,youknow,goingtoCongress?AllIwasdoingwastryingtocollectthetestimony.IwastryingtokeepconfidentialsomeofthesepeoplesnamesbecausetheyrequesteditandIknewtheywouldjustshutmeoffifIstartedyappingallovertheplace.ButIwastryingtofindoutwhatwasgoingon.IhadteamedupwithBillSteinmanatthetime.BillSteinmanleadmetoJohnLear.JohnLearledmetoinvestigateDulce,NewMexico.Iwentoverthere,droveallaroundthatplacewithGabe

Valdezbackinthe80s.IgothookedupwithmyfriendTalwhowasaninsider/outsider,youknow,onefootin,onefootout...keptgivingmetipsandinformationandwhathaveyou,totrackdown.SoIgotveryinvolved.Imetaguyinthe90sthatwasinreverseengineering,thathadflownoneofourreverseengineeredcrafttothemoonandback.Imean,itwasgettingdeeperanddeeper,right?BobLazarK:DidyouevermeetBobLazar?


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B:Yep.IknewaboutBobLazarbeforeanybodyelsedid,throughJohnLear.K:Oh,ofcourse.Ofcourse.B:JohnLearcalledmeuponeday:Hey,Ivegotastorytotellyou,Bill.What?Wevegottagoforaride.(Hewasalittleparanoid.)Letsgetinmytruck.AndhetoldmeallaboutBobLazarexcepthisname,atthetime,because,youknow,Iguess...ButhetoldmethingsaboutBob,thatBobhadtoldhim,thatBobnevermentioned.And,what...youknow,Johnbelievesisthattheytinkeredwithhismemory,right?BecausehehadheardallthisstuffaboutthemoonfromBobLazarandstufflikethat.Bobis,Noway,noway.Butoneday...K:OK.Wait...thatsalittleunclear.YouresayingtheytinkeredwithBobLazarsmemory?B:Yes,withhismemory.K:NotJohnLears.B:No,notJohnLears.Inotherswords,Bobhad...accordingtoJohn,BobhadrelatedallofthisinformationtoJohnwhichlaterBobdeniedthathehad...K:Yes,inacertainsensetherewasadisconnect.Hekindof,like,forgot....B:Right.Therewasadisconnect.K:...thatheeverknewthat.B:Right.K:OK.Sotheres...yes...theressomequestionasfarasthatgoes.So,OK,soonthetrailtoDanBurisch...

BillUhouse/J-RodB:ThenImetBillUhouse.K:OK.B:Thatsanimportantevent.BillUhousewasamechanicalengineerwho,speakingoutatRachelandpeoplethatyououghttomeetUhouse,causebythattimeIhadbeenspeakingaboutsomeofthesedisclosurepeopleweretalkingabout.SoImetBillUhouseandIthoughtitwashilarious.HerehehadbeenworkingonaflightsimulatorforflyingdiscssoourpilotscouldlearnhowtoflythemandoneofthechiefconsultantsonthistopsecretprojectwasanalienthathecalledJ-Rod!Right?AndthatswhereIfirstheardaboutJ-Rod.In1999ImontheinternetandIfindthereisawebsiteIstumbledacrosswhenI,youknow,typedinasearchorsomethingandherewasthisdocument,andIsaid,Boy,thisdocumentsawfullytechnical.Iveneverseena

documentthatwastechnicallikethis.WecallittheQ94document.AndImreadingthroughit,andIstoppedwhenIgotthereandIsaw:ExtraterrestrialBiologicalEntity:AQ-J-Rod.J-Rod.Youknowwhoa!Waitaminute!AnditwassignedCaptainDannyB.Crain,Ph.D.DanBurisch/MJ-12/GettingthetruthoutSoIgotaholdofthepersonandIorderedacopyofthis,flasheditaroundMUFONandsaid,Hey,isanybodyinterestedinthis?Icouldntrouseanyinterest.[laughs]AndIm,like,OK.AndIcouldntgetanymoreinformationuntil2002whenthisperson,Marci,contactedmeandshesaid,Youknow,Bill,Ineedhelp.Ineedhelp.Dansintrouble...dadada.AndatthatpointIhadnotmetDan,IhadnotmetMarci,andshejustcalledmeatworkatUCLAandIsaid,Wehavetositdownandtalk.AndIthinkitwasonaFriday.Itwasbefore...Iwasgoingtoleave,goupto

VegasonthatSaturday,andshecalledmeintheafternoonjustbeforeIleftandsaid,Bill,howwouldyouliketomeetDan?AndIsaid,Areyoukidding?Canyouarrangethat?Andshesaid,YesIcan.SowhenIwentthereInotonlymetMarciforthefirsttime,ImetDan.Andwhenhefirstsawme...andIwaswearinganAirForcecap...hetookallthesepapersandhisbriefcaseandhestuffedallthepapersinthebriefcaseandheranoutofthatroom,causehedidntknowwhoIwas.AndIsaid,Oh,no,youknow.AndMarcisaid,Illhandleit,andwentovertotheelevator.Calledmebackinaboutfiveminuteslater,andintroducedmetoDan.Andhewas,like,shaking.Imean,Imserious.Andhesaid,YouknowIhaveto...."hesaid,"ImverysorryIreactedlike


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that.Ihavetowatchmyself.Iveonlygot,youknow,twohoursofliberty.Right?AndMarcisays,Ivegotaprivateroom,youknow,thelibrarywherewewere.Andsowewentinthere.Ihadonehourwithhim.Hewasverynervous.Hehadacoldorsomethingthatfirsttime,butsomeoftheanswershegavemethatfirsttimeknockedmysocksoff.Isaidthisguyhasmetanalien,becausetherewerecertainthingsthatheknewthatweresotypicalthatIhadpickedupalongthewayfromBrian,fromeveryone,right?K:Andyoucertainlyhadabackgroundatthatpointtobeabletoevaluatesomebodylikethat...B:Ohyeah,after25years...K:WhowasMarci?WhoisMarci,wouldyousay?Shesanagent?B:No,shewasjust...shewasworkingfortheStateofNevada,OK?Shehadajobinhumanresourcesbecauseshesgotamastersdegreein,ah...whatdotheycallit...organizationalpsychology,whichtheyhirethepsychpeopleinhumanresources.Shewasworkingwithcomputers.Shesverygoodatthat.Shesworkedincasinos.Shedidcasinosurveillance,youknow,withthosecameras?K:Uhhuh.B:Sheevenwroteabookabout...yeah.K:HowdidshegetinvolvedwithDan,then?B:Shemethim...well,thatsagoodquestion,becausethefirststorythatcametomeisDansmotherwasworkingatthatsamecasino.Danwasworkingat

thatcasino.Security.Andshehadobservedhimoncameraacoupletimesdoingsomeunusualthings,likegoingintothisoffice,punchinginacode,hangingupthetelephone,thetelephoneringingandshecouldhearhimsaying,Yessir.Yessir.Yessir.Thingslikethis.SoDanapproachedherbecauseshehadsomewritingexperienceandsaid,Iwanttogetoutastory.ItsaboutresearchIvedoneontheplanetMarsasabiome.Andshesaid,Ah,really?Soshegotinvolved,andasthingsprogressedshefoundout...orshewaswarn...Shegotwarnings:Watchout,thismanisinvolvedwithArea51.Area51?Notthatstory.Andshesaid,ThatsjustapopularlegendhereinLasVegas.Andoh,no,thiswasforrealandsopeoplewerestartingtogiveherdocuments.InfactIgotacopyofoneofthemwhichIpublishedinmybook,whichisasecurity

oaththathesignedupattheTonopahtestsitebackinthe80s.So...now,ostensiblytheywrotethebook.Therewereacoupleofothermeninvolvedinthat,andDan,andher.ItwascalledEaglesDisobey.K:Youcantgetthatbooknow,isntthatright?B:Therearecopiesofitbut...shehadassignedtherightstosomebodyandthatsomebodydidnotassigntherightsbacktoherwhensherequestedit.Thethingis,theonlythingis,onedayIgetane-mailfromMarci,now2002,3,4...timepasseson.AtonepointthereshethinksDanhasbeencapturedordiedorhurtorsomething.Shedoesntknow.Shesscared.Someofhercontactsthatshehadtoldher,Youdbesafertogetoutoftown.So...shecamefromCanada...soshewentbacktoCanada.ShecontactedmewhenshewasinCanada.Andshestartedsaying,Imbeingfollowed.Peoplearefollowingmeeverywhere

andImworried,andsomethingsgoingon.AndthenIget...well,see,Igotmysteriouslettersalsointhemail,whenitallstarted.K:From....?Imean,arethey...well,letssay,theyarefromthecommunity,sotospeak?B:Fromtheblackcommunity.Theblackopscommunity.K:Threateningletters?B:No,notsomuchthreateningasjustsaying...justgivingmesomeinformation.Orjustsaying,Heresthestatusofthings.Ah,Itskindofdangerous.Right?WearefriendsofDansbut,youknow,certainthingsaregoingon.Well,thisone...thisguysentmenotonlyaletter,hesentmea


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photocopy,colorphotocopy,ofMarcifromvariousanglesinherapartment,herbathroom,her...[laughs].Inotherwords,therewasplantedcamerasallovertheplace.AndthenfinallysentmeapictureofherwithaMajesticbadge...MAJ.OK?Itusuallyhasaletterandfournumbers,justlikeBobLazars,onlyinsteadof'H',like,Danhadan'E'.Right?K:Symbolizing...?B:Herwebsitewastakendown.Here-mailwasdeleted.Ihadnocontactwithher.Itwasjust,like,Igotthatletterandthenthatwasit.K:Haveyouheardfromher...youveheardfromhersincethen?B:Well,thenIgotwordthatshewasbackinVegas...K:OK....B:...notonlybackinVegas,butworkingwithDanashisoperationsdirector!K:OK.Sowhatdidthe'E'symbolizeonthatbadge?Doyouknow?B:Ihaventfoundouttodate.Idontknowwhatthe'H'or'E'means,andIveasked.Maybetheylltellmeoneofthesedays.Idontknow.Butitdesignatesaclassificationofjobassignment,Iguess.K:OK...so...B:Imassumingthe'H'hastodowithscience.K:Whatyearwasitthatshesortofdisappeared?B:Ah,late2003.Reappeared2004,nowasamemberofMajestic.K:She..Imean,youresittingtheresayingshesamemberofMajestic.B:Ohabsolutely.Yeah.But...K:Werentyou...B:Ifoundout....

K:Iheard....B:...anotherstory.K:Oh.B:OK.Thatsthetopstory,right?K:Sure.B:Andtheresastoryunderthat,andthestoryunderthatisshemetDanin1980intheUK.Notonlythat,therewere...See,theresallkinds...thisiswhatssomysterious.Somebodystartssendingusbackgroundmaterial.EverythingIcouldcheckoutabsolutelycheckedout.Ivehadconversationsrecorded,e-mailintercepted.IwaswalkingwithmyfriendWinstonoutdoors.Weweretalking.Thatconversationwaspickedupbyaspydevice.Outdoors.K:Right.B:Andregurgitatedbacktomeinane-mail.

K:Ah.B:Thereweresomeerrors,whichwasinteresting.IhavemetDanandhadphotographs,takenfromunknownpeoplestandingsomewherebehindmeinacasino,senttomebye-mail,tothepointwhereIstartedsaying,Hey.Boy,thisiseitheranelaboratehoaxinvolvingmanypeopleoritstherealthing.Right?Thisisacovertoperationofsomekind.Becausetheyhavesophisticatedenoughtechnologythattheycouldtapintoourconversationsindoorsoroutdoors.Theycaninterceptmye-mail.Theyinterceptedane-mailfrommyfriendAlantome.Thatwasjustfromhimtome.Ithadsomeconfidentialinformationthatthey...andtheywishedtoletusknowthattheyknew.K:Right.B:Sothatwasthekindofthingthatbecamemoreandmoreconvincingallalong.

K:OK.Now.IveheardthatyouwereinvitedtojoinMajestic.Isthatarumor,oristhattrue?B:Ah,letmesaythis.Iknockedonthedoor.Istartedthinking.Dan,youknowtheysentyoutoschool.Inevercompletedmyeducationinphysicsorengineering...Maybetheyllsendme.Youknow?AndIsaid,Couldyougetmein?Youknow?YouthinktheylltakemeuptoS-4or...anything?Isaid,Lazartalkedhiswayintoit,maybeIcantalkmywayintoit.Isaid,Ihavetheopportunityhere.K:Uhhuh.B:Andsoatsomepoint,Ithinkitwasin2004,inMarch2004,Danrequested


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thatIresearchsomethinginphysics,or...actuallypertainingtobiophysics.Itwassomethinghewaslookinginto.Andhesaid,Youknow...sendmeapaperonit.SoIdid...two...onbiophotonics.Hesaid,Thisisgreat.And...andthatssomething.HefoldedmypapersupwithallofhisandwentofftoWashington,DC,anddeliveredthem.AndIwent...DidIjustcontributesomethingtoyourproject?[laughs]Andhesaid,Yep.Itsamatterofrecordnow.Right?Andhesaid,Dontworry.Itsgoodstuff.AndImgoing,Well,great.AndIsaid,Waitaminute.IfImgoingtodothat,Iwant...Iwantthedoortoopen.Well,thenIgetcontactedbyhissecurity:OK.YouwereintheAirForce.Youtookanoath.Anddadadada....right?Fornowwewantyoutoreplytothise-mailthatyouwillabidebytheoathyoutookthen.Youknow,TopSecretoath,right?K:OK.B:SoImgoing,Howcanhedothat?Right?ThenImsentamessagefromMajestic-1toWilliamHamiltonsaying,YouhaveaskedcertainquestionsaboutDanandwehaveagreed(becausetheyalwayshavetoagree)toprovideyouananswer.Andhestartsgoingthroughatimeline,right?StartingatEisenhowersmeetingwiththealiens,right?1958firsttreatysignednearLosAlamos.AndcoincidentallymyfriendRobertsendsmeaphotographofaMajesticteam,1958,rightoutsideofLosAlamos.SoImgoing,Whoa,whatsgoingonhere?Thisisgettingstrongerandstronger,right?Ihavepublishedthatfullmessage...K:Yes,andwhydoyouthinktheyaredoingthis?B:IambeingtoldthatDanwas...youknow,firsttheyselectedBobLazarandtheysaid,Wewantedtoseewhathewoulddo.Buthebecameamaverick,right?

Alittleuncontrollable.TheyhadbettercontrolofDan.TheyfeltDanwasverybrightbecausehealmosthas...well,hehadaneideticmemory.OK.Andtheyjustdecided,forreasonsthatwerentimmediatelyapparenttomeatthattime,alittlebitmoreapparenttomenow...becauseitturnsoutthatDanwasabductedwhenhewasachild,thatheshouldtelltheworld,butheshouldtelltheworldinapositivevoice...right?...whatisgoingon.AndMajestichas,accordingtowhatIvefoundout...again,Imonlyreportingthis.Ihavenowayofverifyingsomeofthesethings.ButnowIdoknowwhoallthecurrentnumbersare.Right?Theyhavemetforthelasttimelastyear[2005]inassemblyandhaveagreednottomeet,convene,againfortwoyears.AndwhentheyconvenedtheyvotedongivingDananordertotelltheworld.Andhehasuntiltheendofthisyear[2006]toaccomplishthatmissionbecausetheyexpectmore

andmoreradicalchangeswhichwillbecomeapparenttothepublicasweproceedto2007,2008,towardthisomegapointof2012K:So...B:whichtheyexpectustosurvive.K:Sobasicallyinacertainsense,youknow,ifImfollowingyou,youweredeniedaccesstojoiningMJ-12?B:Yeah,itwaslikeIcamealongalittletoolatetoreallycontributeanything.Imean,theyagreedthatIcouldstartworkingwithDanifIwantedto,ifItookaproject.Hestillwantsmetoworkonsomeofthesciencewithhim.ItsjustthatIhavebeenrecruitedtoworkonanotherproject,forwhichIhavetosignanon-disclosureagreement,byanotherpersonwhohaskindof....takenandproventhatwehavebeenreverseengineeringcraftandwantsmetobe

involvedinthat.So,becauseIwanttoknowwhatsgoingoneverywhere,whatdoIdo?Ivolunteerforthesethings.SoIhavehadafoot...itfeelslikeIvehadafootalmostinthedoorbutnottothepointofwhereIwantedtobe...whereIsaid,Hey,showmethemoney.Showme...notthemoney....showmetheproofthatyouvegot.K:So...OK....butDan...B:Iminavery...K:Danisalive,isaliveanddoingwellatthemoment.Isthatcorrect?B:Yes,Ionlysawhimafewweeksago.K:OK.Andyoustillvisithim,isitinVegas?


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B:Illseehimtomorrow.K:In...Here?B:InVegas.ThatsallIcantellyouaboutthat.K:No,Iunderstand.Youknow....B:Danissane.K:OK,thatswhatIwanttohear,iswhatyourtakeis.B:Rational.K:OK.B:OK?Dealswithfacts,asascientist.K:Now,Isawaportionofthisinterviewyoudidwithhimbutmyunderstandingisthatthevideointerviewismuchlonger.Areyoureleasingthat?B:Imnotreleasinganythinganymore,becauseIdonthavetherights.K:Meaning...B:Asfaras...K:Majestic-12hastherights?Danhastherights?B:No.RonGarner.Heshere.Ifyouwanttointerviewhim,heshereatthisconference.K:RonGarner.B:Yep.K:Washeinvolvedintheshootingofit?B:Hewentintherewithmoney.K:Didheshootit?Imean,Imjusttryingtofigureouthowhehasrights.B:No.Well,hesaysthathehasalltherightconnectionstogetDansstoryout,totelevision,youknow,allover,andapparentlyhehasofferedDanand

Marcienoughevidencethathehastheseconnections.ButIdontlikeit.ItoldDanIwillnotworkwithRonGarner.OK?Youknow,IpublishedabookonDan.Isaid,Thatstheendofthestory.Itoldthestory.Isaidrightintheintroduction:Icannotprovethisstorytothepublic.ButIknowthatIhaveseenenoughandexperiencedenough.BecauseIhavebeencloser,Ibelieve,thananyinvestigatortoDan,andtherearethingsthat,tome,speakthetruth.OK?Imean,IveseenDanusedisinformationbecausehewasorderedto.HedoesntliketobuthewasorderedtoforsecurityreasonsandIknowhowtheyusehim.NowtheIntelguysthatspecializeindisinformation?Sometimestheydoitjustforfun,getakickoutofspinningusaround.AndthatswhatIbelievetheyvedonewithProjectSerpo,becauseitsjustsofullof...errors.Illputitthatway,mildly.ProjectSerpo

K:Well,OK.Well,thatsinterestingthatyouhappentothink...Andyouknow,Imgoingtoendthisprettysoonhereandyouvebeenverygraciousand,andthisisgreat.ButIwasjustwondering,intermsofProjectSerpo...Iknowyouvepointedoutsomevery,youknow,accurateerrors,thathavebeen,youknow,recognized,atleastbyBillRyan,andacknowledged.Butdoyouthinktheresanytruthtothestory?B:Ithinkwehaveanexchangeprogram.See,Ivebeenhearingthisstoryonandoffforanumberofyearsand...IwassupposedtomeetacolonelfromEdwardsAirForceBase...IusedtoholdmeetingsoutintheAntelopeValleyandoneofmypeoplethatcametothemeetingsmetthiscolonelwholookedatmybook,evenreadthroughit,andsaid,Heythisheresabout80to90percentaccurate.Thenhestartedtellingher,Howwouldyouliketoseesomerealdocumentson

this?Andshegoes,Idontthinkso,notiftheyreclassified.Andhesaid,IwanttoshowyouallthedifferentlevelsofidentificationIvegot.Right?Andthenhestartedtellingastory.Hesays,Imgoingtotellyouthisstorybecause,youknow,nobodysgoingtobelievethisanyway.Andhesaidthathehasbeenonanotherplanetwherehecouldseetwosunsinthesky.Andalsohesaid,Ihadabrigadiergeneralthatwasagoodfriendofmine.Hesays,IwasflyingajetoutofEdwardsandIcrashlanded.Andtherewerealotofinjuries.IdidntthinkIwouldsurvivethat.AndtheytookmetotheundergroundhospitalatEdwards...undergroundfacilityhospital...andtheyusedsomeofthealientechnologytoputmebacktogether.


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K:Hm.B:So,youknow...storieslikethisguysayingthathehadactuallybeentoanotherworld,ah,wasfascinating.AndIhadheardstorieslikethat.Nothingyoucouldprove,right?K:Sure.B:Butitseemslikesomebodygatheredthesetogether...changedthewholecharacteroftheEbens,right?AndputtogetherthisstorysomewhatliketheStevenSpielbergCloseEncounterswheretheyhadtwelvepeople,Ithinktwoofthemwomen,tenmen,thatweresupposedtogoaboardthiscraft.AndImeantheyjustweaveditalltogether,buttheydidntpayverymuchattentiontoscience.K:Hmm.B:SowhattheydescribedisaplanetaroundZetaReticuliwithtwostarsthatareonlyaboutasdistantfromtheplanetasourownsunis.OK?Thatsimpossible.Aplanetcannot...youknow,whichsundoestheplanetorbit?Andthereisnosuchclose,180millionmiledistancebetweentwostarsinZetaReticuli.Thetwostars,ZetaReticuli1andZetaReticuli2areoveralightyearapart,about9,000astronomicalunits,comparedtoONEastronomicalunit.OK?Sothatsonebigerror.AndthentheymaketheplanetalmosttheexactsamediameterastheEarthandgiveitadifferentgravitationalconstant,right?Thentheysay,ah,theydidnthaveanymeansoftrackingthetimeontheplanet...ontheplanetSerpo?Buttheydidhavethistower,whichwassomethinglikeasundial,right?Andtheyknewwhattimeitwas.AndIsaid,Youcant

haveadvancedtechnology,(youknow,Iprotested)...withoutextremelypreciseclocksandtimingmechanisms.Youcantevenhaveacomputerwithoutthat,muchlessaspacecraftthattravelslightyears.Oh,whostheidiotwhoaskedthisquestion?Right?Iam.Imean,Iknowtechnology,right?NewInterests/Isrealityreal?K:Soareyoubasicallyinterestedinwritinganymorebooks?B:Ihavebranchedoutalittlefurtherawayfromjust...becauseIgotinterestedincertainsubjects,asaconsequenceofsomeofthisresearch,thatfascinatemeabouttheuniverse,aboutreality...well...isrealityreal?[laughs]PlusIhavespent22daysinanalteredstateofconsciousnessbackin1977.K:Twenty-twodays?B:Twenty-twodays.

K:Meaning...whatareyoutalkingabout,theMonroeInstitute,or...?B:[shakesheadno]ThishappenedtomespontaneouslywhileIwastryingtoconcentratemymindontheresolutionofaparticularproblem.Mymindaccelerated.Icoulddohighspeedmathematics.IcouldreadGreek.IcouldreadLatin.Icouldreadpeoplesminds.Icouldmoveobjects,youknow,thiskindofthing.Ihadpeopleallaroundme,allmyfriendswhousedtogatherwithmeatthecoffeeshop,plyingmewithquestionsabouteverything.AndhereIamwithanswerscomingoutofmelikeIwasacosmiccomputer,OK?So,itwasalifechangingexperience.Ithappenedtwiceinmylife.Andactually,therewasathirdincidentinthe1980s.ButnowImvery,veryinterested...likeIwrotethisbookontimetravel.Iminterestedinanomaliesintime,multidimensionaluniverseandthingslikethis.

Ofcourse,BillRyanandI,weshare,ah,aphilosophyonthiswherewebelievethatthisis...wearespiritualbeingsthatareimmersedandtrappedinourowncreation...K&B:[chuckle]B:...andthatthiscreationhasnowbecomegreaterthanus,whereintruthwearegreaterthanit.Andthatswhatwasrevealedtomein77.AndunfortunatelysomethinghappenedwhereIwokeup,completely,onthejob.Iwasprogramming.Andeverybodyintheofficestoppedworking.Theywereaffectedbyit.Sothisisreal.Imean,ithappened,and...


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K:Doyouthinkitspossiblethat...andwecangooffcameraifyouwant,letmeknow...itspossiblethatyouwere,youknow,therewasawalk-induringthosetimes?B:Ithink...No,Ifelt....huh.Nowweregettingintothingsthatwereallydontneedtopassontothepublic,becausethey'lljustthinkit'sweird.K:OK.Well,wecanturnthisoff.Idjustbecurious..._____________________________

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