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8/2/2019 Project Camelot Bob Dean Transcript - Part 1

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BobDean:AnOfficerandaGentlemen-Part1AvideointerviewwithRetiredCommandSergeantMajorRobertDeanPhoenix,Arizona,May2007

Shot,editedanddirectedbyKerryCassidyandBillRyan

BobDean:Itisthemostimportantissueinmyviewinhumanhistory.It'snotmerelythatwe'renotalonebutwehaveneverbeenalone....It'sluckylikeIsaidthatIdidn'tendupinjailbecauseIdrovemyfriendsupthewall.Ipushedmysecurityclearancetothelimit.Iusetogetintoclassifiedfilecabinets,sortthroughmaterialandlookforphotographsandreproducedthingsthatshouldnothavebeenreproduced....Iftherehadbeenathreatfromtheseguys(pointingupwards)whoeverthey

were,itwouldhavebeenoveralongtimeago.AsoneofouroldGeneralsusetosay,"theycouldhavecleanedourclockfromthebeginning"....Becausewhenwestartedshootingatthemtheyhadauniquewayofeliminatingalloftheelectricalsystemsinouraircraft....ButtheseguyscouldbewalkingupanddownthecorridorsofSHAPEheadquartersorthePentagonortheWhiteHouse.KerryCassidy:Werethey?BobDean:Ihavealwayssuspectedthatyes,theyhavebeen.


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...HowdoyoutellChristianFundamentaliststhatthatlovelymanfromGalileetwothousandyearsagowasapartofthatprogram?...Hetappedmeandhewentovertothevaultandpulledthisthingoutandhethrewitonmydeskandhesays,"Hey,thiswillwakeyouup.Readthis."Itwas"TheAssessment".Hesaidwhentheoldmanreadthatstory,orthatreport,TheAssessment,hesaidithithimlikeatruck,hithimlikeatonofbricks.HetoldmetheGeneralthrewhishatacrossthedeskandhesays,"Doyouknowwhatthehellthismeans?Everythingwe'vegot,everythingwe'vedone,everythingwe'vehad...doesn'tmeanadamnthing."...Monumentalaggravationandfrustrationthatthegovernmenthadcontinuedoveralltheseyearstolietothepeople.

Startofinterview

KerryCassidy:You'rearealhero,youknow,arealheroinalotofpeople'seyesbecauseyoucameforwardatatimeandsaid,"I'vesignedanotebutyou

know,itdoesn'tmatter,comegetme.I'mgoingtotellthetruthbecausepeopleneedtoknow."BobDean:Yousaidit,andI'llsayitagain,andIshareditwithBilldownstairs:Ibelievedfromthebeginning,andIstillholddeeplyinmyheart,thatthisisthegreateststoryinhumanhistory.Thisisastoryofwhoweare,howwecametobehere,whatkindofaspeciesweareandwherewe'regoing.Itisthemostimportantissueinmyviewinhumanhistory.It'snotmerelythatwe'renotalone,butwehaveneverbeenalone.WehavehadwhatIhavesharedmanytimes.Wehavehadanintimateinterrelationshipwithadvancedextraterrestrialintelligencefromthebeginningofhumanhistory.Andthatisdynamite.

I'vetriedtosharewhatI'velearned.AndItoldBillearlierIwilltellyouwhatI'veseen,whatI'velearnedandwhatI'veconcluded.Thiswillprobablybe,Ireallysincerelybelieve,thatthiswillbemylastinterview.SoIwillsharewithyouthingsthatIstronglybelieveandstronglyholdthateventoday,it'sthegreateststoryinhumanhistory.Itinvolveswhoweare;itinvolveswhatweareasaspecies.Itinvolveshowwecametobe.Nowformany,manyyears,Iheldtotheviewthatoncewecouldgetthisout,manyofuswhoaremilitarywouldsaywhatwe'veseen,we'velearned,whatweconcluded.Experienceswe'vehadpersonallyandIkeptnaivelythinking,ah,oncewegetitout,thepublicisgoingtoclamorformore.

"Ohtellusmore,tellusmore,tellusmore".Thenthegovernmentwouldrespondbyopeningupandtellingthepublicthetruth.Well,forgiveme;Icertainlyhavelearnedmylesson.Thatdidn'thappenandIbelieveitisn'tabouttohappenbecausethestoryissimplytoobig.Thisinvolvesouroriginsasaspecies,asarace.I'vealmostreachedthepointwhereIamsympathizingwiththegovernmentfornottellingthetruth.ToapointwhereIsympathizewiththegovernmentbysayingthatthemassesofpeople


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outthereprobablyareNOTreadyforthetruth.Thatthemassesofpeopleprobablycouldn'thandlethetruth,becausethetruthisincredible.It'sdynamite.IuseananalogyaboutPandora'sbox,andIknowyou'refamiliarwiththeoldGreeklegend.Thisalienissue,thisextraterrestrialpresenceissue,islikePandora'sbox.Youcan'topenitjustatinybit.Youcantjustopenthelidandletalittlebitoutbecauseifyouopenthebox...BOOM...everythingisgoingtocomeout.Themassesofpeoplearegoingtodemandmore,more,moreandmore.WhichIbelievetheyhavearightto,butthatmassofinformationisgoingtobeearthshaking,literallyearthshaking.K:Wouldn'tyouconsideryourselfsomethingofanordinaryperson?Imeanobviouslyyourefairlyextraordinary.B:I'vealwaysthoughtofmyselfasatypicalordinaryguy,yes.K:Allright,andyouhandleit.Sowhy...B:Noteasily.K:Noteasily...really.B:No.

K:Canyoutellmewhatitwaslike?B:Letmetellyouthat....K:Whenyoufirstfoundout....B:I'veknownthisforover40years.

K:Right.B:WhenIfirstbegantogetsomeinformationofwhatwasinvolved,thattomewaslikeadrugaddict.YouknowI'venevertakendrugs.Well,Ismokealittle,andIdrinkcoffee,andIhavealittlebourbonnowandthen.K:(Laughing)B:ButItellyou,I'venevertakenharddrugs.K:Right.B:Itwasalmostlikeanaddict,onceIlearned,officially,fromgovernmentdocumentswhatwastakingplace.MyGod,Icouldn'tgetenough!Icouldn'tlearnenough.Iwasvoracioustogetmoreandmoreandmore.Ibecameanuisancetomy

friends.It'sawonderIwasabletoretirehonorablywithoutendingupinFortLeavenworth,whichisadisciplinarybarracks,bytheway.It'saprison,militaryprison.It'samazingthatI'vegottentothispointinmylifewithoutgoingtojail.K:Okay...wereyouhighlyrespectedatthetimewhenyoudiscoveredthisinformation?Wouldyousaythatinyourcareerasamilitary...B:Yes,IhadbeengivenaCosmicTopSecretdocument.K:Right.B:WhichwasandstillisthehighestsecurityclassificationthatNATOhas.K:Okay,but...CosmicTopSecret.Didthatmeantoyouthatyouweregoingtobeabletobeletinonthesecretsofourextraterrestrialrelationswithotherplanets?

B:No,itsimplymeantthatIwasgivenaccesstoamilitarydocument,astudythatNATOconductedfrom1961to1964.WhenIgottoSHAPEinParisin1963,Ilearnedofastudythatwasunderway.I'dhadaTopSecretclearancewhenIarrived,whichyouhadtohavetogettothatparticularassignment.Itwasaratherchoiceassignment,bytheway,Parisinthosedays.Itookmyfamily,mykidswenttohighschoolinParis.Itwasachoiceassignment,andnoteverybodygotthatassignment.Youwereselectedandyouwereanalyzedandyouhadtohavesomanylittleplusesinyourboxtogetthat.


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K:Iknowbut,TopSecretwaybackthen?Imeanwereyounaive?Didyouhavenoidea...

B:No,no,no.K:...whenyoufirstcameacrossthisinformation?B:Ihadsomesuspicions,andIwascuriousabouttheextraterrestrialissues.K:Soyouhadsomesuspicionswaybackin....B:Ohyes.Ohyes.K:...inthe60s.B:Well,IwentintotheArmyin1950.K:Right.B:Ipaidattention,andIusedtoreadalot,andIalwayshadanaggingsuspicionthattherewassomethingmoregoingonouttherethanwewerebeingtold.K:Didyouknowaboutundergroundbasesatthatpoint?B:No,notatthattime.NowbeingexposedtothisSHAPEstudyin1964wassimplytheappetizerforme.Itopenedmymindtothepointthat,OhmyGod,thisisreal!NotonlydidIseereportsandstudiesandanalysis,andphotographs,therewereautopsyreportsthatIwasabletostudy.Becausetherehadbeencrashesandretrievalsofbodies,andalltherestofit.K:Sohowmanypageswereinthereport?B:Oh,thestudyitselfwasaboutaninchandahalfthick.K:Oh,soitwaslikeabook?B:Yes.Well,itwassupplemented,supportedbyabout10inchesofappendices

and,whatdotheycallthem...annexes.K:Oh,really.B:Thereweretenofthem.Sothestudyhadlaidouttheproblem,asanymilitarystudywilldo.Itlaidouttheproblem,purposeandthemeaningofthestudyandsomeoftheconclusionsofthestudy.Andthenitreferredtotheannexes,whichweretheonesthathadallthedetails.K:Isee.B:Forexample,therewasanannexonretrievalofbodiesandautopsies-withphotographs.SoonceIgotachancetogothroughthisthingwithmyCosmicclearance,thatallowedmetheaccesstoit,inthevault.

K:Atanytimeyoucangobackinthere?B:WellanytimeIwasondutyinSHOC.SHAPEisSupremeHeadquartersofAllied

ForcesinEurope.SHOCistheSupremeHeadquartersOperationsCenter.Itwasawarroom.Iworkedinthereregularly.Irandutyrosters.IwasaSeniorNCOatthetime,IwasaSeniorMasterSergeantatthetime,andmyclearanceallowedme...IhadadeskinSHOC.Ihadadeskintheoperationscenteroverinthecorner,andIranthedutyrostersandIwasinchargeofgivingassignmentsandalltoallofthelowerenlistedmen.Ievenranadutyrosterforthecontrollers,whichwereO-6rank.Colonels,CaptainsintheNavy.Wewereinthemiddleofabloodycoldwar.K:Okay,soitwasduringtheColdWar.B:Thiswasthe1960s.Iarrivedin1963.Thestudywascompletedin1964.The

WarsawPactandNATOwerelinedupalongadividedEurope.Wewerebristlingwitharms.Wehadfiftydivisionshere.TheSovietsandtheWarsawPacthadahundreddivisionshere.WorldWarIIIwasjustmomentsaway.That'showcloseitwas.Youngpeopletodaylikeyourselvescannotimaginewhatthatwouldbelike.K:Sothisisaseriousdeskthatyou'dgot.Inotherwordsit'salotofresponsibility.B:Yeah,IworkedintheWarRoom.Ihadaccesstothevaultandmyclearanceallowedmethere.K:Sowe'reinthemiddleofwhat'scalledtheColdWar,andyou'rereading


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aboutourrelationshipsandinteractionswithalienraces.B:Well,letmegiveyousomereasonfirstofallwhythisstudywasconcluded.InFebruaryof1961therewasamassiveflyoverofunidentifiedobjects,comingoutoftheEastfromtheSovietWarsawPactarea,flyingtowardstheWest,comingoverourlines,overNATOlines,overGermany,overFrance.Theseobjectswereveryhigh,veryfast,information,obviouslyunderintelligentcontrol.K:Didyouseethis?B:Theywerecirculardiscshapes.K:Didyouseeit?B:Ididn't,no.Iwasn'ttherein'61.K:Oh,wasitfilmed?B:Ohyes,wehadfilmofit.K:Really.Howmanywerethere?B:ThepointisGordonCooper,whomI'msureyou'refamiliarwith,oneofourfamousastronautsfromtheoldyears,Gordon'sgonenow.ButGordonsharedwithmeonetimeandheshareditpublicly.Hesaid,"WhenIflewoverGermanyinthe50s,we'dseethesethingsallthetime.Wewonderedwhattheywerebecauseitwasobvioustheywereunderintelligentcontrol.Theywouldflyoverourlinesorthey'dcomeoutoftheSovietsectorflyingwest".AsIsaid,overGermany,France,England.They'dturnnorthoverthesoutherncoastofEngland,andthentheywoulddisappearoffofNATOradarovertheNorwegiansea.

K:OkayandIknow,orIassumethegovernmentfiguredtheyweren'tSoviet,itthatright?B:Thegovernmentdidn'tknowfromtheverybeginning-atleastNATOdidn't-whattheywere.WethoughttheywereSovietsforatime.WelearnedthattheSovietsthoughttheybelongedtous.K:Right.B:Buttheywereveryhigh,veryobviouslyunderintelligentcontrolandinformationandtheywouldcomesometimesenmasse.TheflyoverinFebruaryof'61wasacoupleofhundredofthem...theycouldn'tcountthem.Andtheythought,ohmyGod!WorldWarIIIhasstartedhere.K:Exactly.Didn'tthebaseatthatpointaimandshoot?B:Everybodygotonalert.Wedidn'thavethecapabilitytoshootbecausethey

weretoohigh,andtheyweretoofast.Andinthosedayswedidnothavetheaircraftnortheweaponrytodealwiththis.Andtheywereobviouslyalwaysunderintelligentcontrol.K:Sothisiswhythestudywasputintoeffect?B:Thestudywasinitiatedin'61.Iarrivedin'63.Itwasconcludedandpublishedin'64.Andthatis,asIsaid,whatchangedmylife.K:Okay,whatwastheconclusion?Yousaidtheycametosomeconclusions?B:ThestudywasdesignedinitiallytodetermineiftherewasathreattoAlliedForcesinEurope.Itwasamilitarystudy...asimplebeginning.Whatthehellisgoingon?Isthereathreathere?K:Isthere?Wasthere?B:Theyconcludedafterthreeyears,apparentlynot.Nothreat.

K:Really?B:That'sright.Nowthereasontheyconcludedthatisfirstofall,thetechnologythattheyhadbeenexposedto,thetechnologythathadbeenrepeatedlydemonstratedtoourmilitary,totheSoviets,toeverybody,wassofarbeyondanythingwehadorevencouldimagine,thatthetechnologywasoutofthisworld.Nopunintended.Soiftherehadbeenathreatfromtheseguys,whoevertheseguyswere,itwouldhavebeenoveralongtimeago.

AsoneofourGeneralsusetosay,"theycouldhavecleanedourclockfromthe


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verybeginning."Becausetheydemonstrated,repeatedly,technologythatwecouldn'tevenbegintotouch.K:Okaythisinthe60s?Butdidn'tEisenhowerhaveameetingormakeatreatywiththesepeoplelongbeforethattime?B:Letmegetbackhereandtellyouthatthisstudywasthebeginningforme.K:Okay.B:Itopenedthedoorsofmymind,sotospeak.Icouldneverleaveit,Icouldneverlayitdown,Icouldneverwalkawayfromitafterthat.AndIkeptovertheyearslearningmoreandstudyingmoreandasIsaid,it'sluckyIdidn'tendupinjail.BecauseIdrovemyfriendsupthewall,Ipushedmysecurityclearancetothelimit.Iusedtogetintoclassifiedfilecabinetsandsortthroughmaterialandlookforphotographs,andreproducedthingsthatIshouldnothavebeenreproduced.Iwasadamnnuisance,I'msure.K:Sowhereisthisstuffthatyoureproduced?B:Yousee,Iknewjustthismuch(indicatingwithfingers)butIwantedtoknowthismuch(holdingarmsapart).K:Iunderstand.B:AndovertheyearsIlearnedthismuch(holdingarmswideapart).K:Okay,butwhathappenedtoallthatstuffyouphotocopiedorwhatever?B:OhmyGod.

K:Isthatasecret?Isthatpartofthereasonyouhaven'tbeen...B:ThematerialthatIphotocopiedIdon'thaveanymorebecausebeingsomewhatintelligent,IknewthathavingclassifiedmaterialinmypossessionthatIwasnotauthorizedtohave,meantjail.AndasIjokinglysaid,goingtoFortLeavenworthfor30years.SoIdestroyedit,butIputithere(pointingtohishead).K:Right.B:AndIremembered,andImemorized,andIkeptnotesforyearsandyears.Ihadawholeseriesofnotes.K:Okay,togetbacktomyquestionthough...Eisenhowerhadameetingtheoreticallywithaliens.Trumanhadgivenashootdownorderyearsbeforeyoueverreadthestudies.B:Eisenhowernevergavethatorder.ItwasgivenbyanAirForceGeneral.I

can'tremembertheyear,butIbelieveitwasintheearly60sthatanAirForceGeneralgaveanordertoshootthemdown.Thatorderwasrevokedwithin90days.Welostsomethinglike30aircraft.Becausewhenwestartedshootingatthem,theyhadauniquewayofeliminatingalloftheelectricalsystemsinouraircraft.Theydidn'tshootbulletsatus.Weshotbulletsatthem,andmissilesandeverythingelse.Butifweattackedthem,theyhadanincrediblescientificprocedurewheretheycouldliterallynullifyalloftheelectricaloperationsinouraircraft.Nowifyou'reflyingahighperformancejet,andyou'reat30,000feetgoing400-500mphandallofasuddeneverythinggoesdead.Jetpilotsusedtosharethatflyingoneofthose100seriesplaneswaslikeflyingananvil.Theyhadnoglidecapability.Theywereheavy,theywereoverlyarmedandtheywereheavy

aircraft.Theonlythingkeepingthemintheskywasapowerfuljetenginethatkeptthemgoing.Soiftheylostalloftheirelectricalcontrols,theycouldn'tevensteer,forGod'ssake.Theplane-asIsaid-justfelllikeananvil.Well,welostalotofaircraft,alotofguysgotout,theybailedoutintime.Alotofplaneswerelost.Welostafewpilots.Nowthatordertoshootthemdownwasrevokedwithin90days.K:Right.B:Andtheyneverissuedthatagainbecausetheylearnedtheirlesson.Don't


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messwiththeseguys.K:Okay,butyou'retellingmethatyoureadareportinwhichthemilitarystatesthattheirtechnologyisnotuptoparsotheycan'tcompetewithpeoplethatareflyingoverinvadingtheirairspace,etc,etc.I'massumingtheydidn'tknowwhattheirMO[modusoperandi]was,theydidn'tknowwhattheyweretheretodo,right?B:Letmetellyoubrieflywhattheconclusionofthisthreeyearstudywas.Theyconcludedthatapparentlytherewasnotathreatinvolved,becausetheirrepeateddemonstrationsoftechnologywassobeyondanythingwecoulddoormatch.Iftheywereangryatusorwerhostile,it'dbeover.K:Okay,butthelogicofthatisnot,itdoesn'tfit...B:Letmecontinue.K:Justbecauseyoucan'tcompetedoesn'tmeanit'snotathreat.Itcouldstillbeathreat.B:Letmegoon.K:Itcouldbeanimpliedthreat.B:Thisthreeyearstudydidnotfindanyexampleofoverthostilityontheirpart.(pointsupwards)K:Okay.B:Theywerenotshootingourplanesdown.Wewouldshootatthembuttheywouldpooh-pooh,it'slikethrowinglittlepebblesatsomebody,see?Theyconcluded

afterthethreeyearstudythatweweredealingnotwithonegroup.Weweredealingwithatleastfourseparategroups.Photographsofcrashes,retrievals,landingsandcontacts,wheretheyhadlandedandcontactedpeople,indicatedthattheywerehumanoid,allfourdifferentgroups.Outofthefourdifferentgroups,allhumanoid,onegroupwassohumanlooking,justlikeus-itcouldsitdownnexttousinarestaurant,theycouldsitnexttoyouinatheater,andyouwouldneverknow.That'stheonesthatbotheredtheAdmiralsandtheGeneralsthemost:thattheseguyscouldbewalkingupanddownthecorridorsofSHAPEheadquartersorthePentagonortheWhiteHouse.

K:Werethey?B:Ihavealwayssuspectedthatyes,theyhavebeen.K:Okay...hadyoumetany?B:ImetacouplethatIamconvincedwerefromsomewhereelse,yes.K:Okay.B:Butthat'sanotherstory,andwe'dbehereuntilmidnightifIgotintothat.LetmefinishwhatIwastellingyouabouttheSHAPEstudy.TheAssessmentconcludedweweredealingwithincrediblyadvancedtechnology.Weweredealingwithfourdifferentgroups,allhumanoid,butonegrouplookedtotallyhuman.Weconcludedinthisstudythattheywerefromsomewhereelse.Anotherplanet,anotherstarsystem,perhapsanothergalaxy.Weconcludedthattheydidnot...theywerenotmalevolentorhostile-overtly.Theycertainlywereableto

defendthemselves.Buttheydidnothaveanagenda,anaggressiveagenda,thatwashostile,becausetheyhadnotsmashedandtornandbrokenanddestroyedourmilitary.K:Andthisispriortotheabductionscenariothathassincecometotheforefront?B:Ohyeah.Thiswastheinitialstudyin'64basedonthreeyearsofresearchbythemilitary.K:Now,whodidthestudy?B:Themilitary.K:Butwhointhemilitary?I'massumingyouweren'tpartofthis?


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B:NoIwasn't.IwasworkingintheWarRoomatSHOC.ThestudywasunderwaywhenIarrived.ItwasmadeupofNATOmembers.TherewereGermansinvolved,therewereFrenchinvolved.TherewereItaliansinvolved.K:Scientists?B:AndAmericans...theywenttosomeuniversitiesandgotsomeofthetoppeople.Theygothistorians...Oxford,Cambridge.TheygotphysicistsfromseveralofthetopuniversitiesinEurope.Itwasathoroughstudy.K:Wasitsignedbytheir...inotherwords,didtheysignoffonthisstudy?Doyouhavenames?B:Theindividualswhocontributedtoit,inbitsandpieces,wouldputinitials,youknow,totheirparticularpartinit.Youwouldhaveanthropologists,historians,geologists...K:Okay,butdoyouknowtheirnames?Idon'tknowifyouaregoingtotellme.B:No,IknowthenamesoftheguysthatIwaswithatSHAPEheadquarterswhoreadthedamnthing,andsignedoffinit,yes.K:Okaywhatabouttheonesthatworkedinthestudyitself?B:No,Ineverkeptthosenames,becauseasIsaidthiswasclassified.IfIhadeverbeencaughtwithapieceofpaperfromthisstudy,Icouldhavegonetojail.K:Butsomeoneyouwereworkingwithgaveyouthistoread.B:Well,I'lltellyouhowthathappened.Onemorning,oneortwointhemorning,wewereontheselongshifts.I'mboredtodeath.Thecoffeewasso

blackyoucouldn'tdrinkit.Thephonesarenotringing.Thetelegraphswerenotgoingoff.Itwasboringashell.Ithappensalot.Theoldstoryismilitarylifeis99%boredomand1%totaldisaster,totalterror.Butweweregoingthroughthe99%boredom,youknow.AndI'msittingtherenoddingoff,andhadreadoldnewspapers,magazinesandall.ThecontrollerondutyatthetimewasanAirForceBirdColonel,whatwecalledaO-6.Allcontrollerswere6-level,andIranthedutyroster.Helookedatmeandwentovertothevaultandhepulledthisthingoutandthrewitonmydesk.Hesaid,"Hey,thiswillwakeyouup.Readthis."ItwasTheAssessment,anditdealtwithUFOs,anditconcludedthattherewere

extraterrestrialscominghere,hadbeencomingaverylongtime.Sometimesestimatesofathousandyears,twothousandsyears.HistoricalrecordsinTheAssessmentitselfindicatedthattheRomanshadbeenpayingattentiontothemtwothousandyearsago.SoI'mgoingthroughthisthingandhistorywasoneofmymajorswhenIwasincollege.GoodGod,thisisdynamite!ThemoreIread,themoreIwantedtoread,andIwentthroughthewholedamnthing,andthenlatereverytimeIwasondutyinSHOCIwouldgoovertothevault,pullitout,gothroughitagain.

K:Sodidyouhaveconversationswiththisofficer?B:Wehadlimitedconversations,becauseyoucouldnotdiscussclassified

materialoutsideofSHOCbecausethereweretoomanyears.Wewerehavingaprobleminthosedays.Letmetellyouanotherlittleside-bithereofhistory.WewereinthemiddleofavastFrenchspyring.Whichifyoureallywanttodothefollowuponthat,yougetabookbyLeonUriscalledTopaz.K:Oh,cool.B:Itwasmadeintoamovie.K:That'sright.B:Urislaiditout.AFrenchspyringwasgoingoninParis.Iwasthereatthe


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time,andwewouldfindFrenchAirForceofficers.WefoundaFrenchGeneralonetimeinthewoodsoutsideofSHAPEwithabulletholeinhishead.GuyswerejumpingoutofapartmentsinParis.Itwasamajorscandal,deGaullewasthepresident...K:Okaybutwhatwastheobjectiveofthespyring?B:WellthespyringwasSoviet,tofindoutwhatweknewthattheydidn'tknow.SotheyhadbeenbuyingandpayingoffpeoplealloverEurope...Hungarians,French,Germans...K:SowhathasthattodowithfindingTheAssessmentpapers?B:Whatit'sgottodowithitistheUFOissue.NoinformationevercamefromWashingtonorLondontoSHAPEheadquartersontheUFOmatterbecauseoftheFrenchspyring.EverythingthatcamefromWashingtonandLondontoParisendedupinMoscow.TherewasaBritishAirMarshall,ThomasPike.ThomasPikewastheDeputySACEUR[SupremeAlliedCommanderEurope].HewasAssistantDeputytomyboss,anAmericanfourstarGeneralbythenameofLymanLemnitzer.SirThomasPike,aftertheincidentinFebruary'61said,"We'regoingtohavetofigureoutwhatthehellisgoingonhere.We'regettingnothingfromWashingtonorLondononthisissue.Weask...theydon'tsendanything.Weaskedthemforinformationandinsightontheseobjects.Whoarethey,what'shappening?Nothing."

WellnothingwasbecauseeverythingthatcamefromWashingtonandLondonendedupinMoscowthankstotheFrench,theHungariansandtheGermans.Sothestudywasinitiatedstrictlyasamilitaryideatoconcludewhatthehellishappeningtoushere.

Isthereathreat,yesorno?Theyconcludedapparentlynot,becausetheseguyshadbeencomingandgoingforalongtime.Thehistoryannextookitbackacouplethousandyears.Therecords,thephotographs,thedrawings,thepaintings,itwasunbelievablematerial.Thiswasjustallwildforme,yousee.K:Okay,butthisisafterWorldWarII...B:Yes.

K:ItwasafterGermanyhad,youknow...Paperclip...[ProjectPaperclip,inwhichkeyNazirocketscientistswerebroughttoAmericaafterthewar]B:Germanywasdivided.K:Okay,andyouwereinWest...B:WewereWesternEurope.K:Sure.B:TheWarsawPactwasEasternEurope.K:SoareyousayingthatthetechnologythatwasusedbyHitlerandhisgroup,someofwhichwasbroughtbacktotheUnitedStateswasnotknowntotheWest,youknow,tothepeopleinNATOthatweredoingthisreport?B:Ofcoursenot.Itwashighlyclassified.K:Butit'saclassifieddocument.Soyou'resayingthere'saclassificationinainclassification...

B:Youhaveaclassifieddocumenthereandthenyouhaveclassifieddocumenthere,andtheguyswhowrotethisoneandhaveaccesstothisone,can'treadthatonebecausetheydon'thavetheneedtoknow.Nowtheguysthathavegotthisoneandwroteitandreaditandtalkaboutit,theycan'treadthisonebecausethat'sanotherseparateclassifieddocument.K:Okay...sothisguyPike,right,he'stheguyincharge?B:ThomasPike,AirMarshallSirThomasPike,initiatedthestudyinFebruaryof'61andsaid...K:Hehadaneedtoknow.


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B:"Iwanttoknowwhatthehell'sgoingon",andtheystartedthestudy.K:There'ssomekindofanimosity,Idon'tknow,tothisday,betweenNATO,right,andtheUSand...B:Honey.YoushouldhaveseentheanimositythatexistedinSHAPEheadquartersitself.K:Oh.Okay...B:ItwassobadthattheGreeksandtheTurkswouldn'tevenwalkonthesamesideofthecorridor.Cypruswasanissuebackthen.Itstillis.SowehadGreeksandTurkssnarlingandfrowningateachother,andwehadtheFrench.Uhhohohoho...Excuseme,blesstheirhearts,theFrenchwereapaininthebuttfromtheverybeginning.K:Why?B:WellfirstofalldeGaullehatedthefactthatChurchillandTrumanhadnotgivenhimtheappropriaterespectthathefelthedeserved.OneofthereasonsthathappenedwhileIwasthere,isthatFrancewithdrewfromtheMilitaryAlliance.DeGaullethrewusout.WehadtopackourbagsandmovetheentirekitandcaboodlefromParistoBrussels.AndIwasthereatthetimewhenithappened.K:Okaywherewereyoureadingthereport,beforeorafterthishappened?B:I'mreadingthereportinParis.SHAPEwaslocatedinalittletowncalledChatou...Rocquencourt,rightoutsideofParis.AlittleoldNapoleonicbattletookplacetheresomewhere.Anyhow,theanimositybetweentheFrenchandeverybodyelse...theGermans,theItalians,andtheAmericansandtheBrits

werealllikethis(claspshandstogetherintoafist).TheFrenchwereoverhere.(pointsawaytohisright)K:Butyou'resayingtheguywhoinitiatedthereportisPike?B:Pike.K:Okay.Andyou'resaying,Imeanheclearlyhadaneedtoknowifhe'shavingflyoversandtheUSishearingaboutthis,Britainishearingaboutthis.Thepeopleatthetoparehearingaboutthis.Sohedoesthisreportonhisownor...B:No.K:...orsomething...that'swhatit'ssoundinglike.Hehadaneedtoknowsotheoretically...B:HewasafivestarrankAirMarshall.Hehadauthoritytoinitiateastudylikethis,andhedid.

K:Okay,wherediditgofromthere?Doyouknow?DiditgototheUS?Diditgoto...B:No,no.K:Itsatinasafesomewhere?B:Theypublishedfifteencopies.K:Right.B:Thefirst,copyone,wenttotheSecretaryGeneralofNATO.Butyoucannotimaginewhataninternationalheadquartersislike.It'slikea..awasp'snest.K:(Laughs)B:LikeIsaid,theGreeksandTurksweresnarlingateachotherallthetime.TheFrenchwerealwaysangryateverybody.K:Okaysowhatyouaresaying,fifteencopies...

B:Fifteencopieswereinitiated.AcopywenttotheUS,acopywenttoItaly,acopywenttoFrance,acopywenttotheUK,andsoon.Fifteencopiesareout.Onecopy,Ithinkthe14thorthe15th,camerightthereinthevaultatSHOC.K:Okay.B:Readingmaterialforthecontrollers,thefullColonelswhoranthe24-hour-a-dayWarRoom.K:Soyouweren'ttheonlyonethatreadit?B:Ohno,no,no.Ohno.WehadanAmericanAirForceGeneralbythenameofRobertLee.RobertLeereadthething.Igottoknowhisaidefairlywell...it


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wasaLt.Colonel.InsidetheWarRoomwewereaselectgroup.Weallhadthehighestclearancepossible.Theenlistedmenandtheofficersmingledclosely.Theenlistedmenhad...theseniorenlistedmen,mostofusweretopE-7sorE-8sandacoupleofE-9s.Sowemingledclosely,anditwasn'tonafirstnamebasis,therewasalwaysrespectforrank.ButwhenyouworkinaWarRoomlikethat,andyouworkcloselytogetherovertheyears,yougettoknoweachotherprettywell.GeneralLee'saidetoldme,hesaid:"Whentheoldmanreadthatstory,thatreport,TheAssessment,ithithimlikeatruck,hithimlikeatonofbricks."HetoldmethattheGeneralthrewhishatacrossthedeskandhesays,"Doyouknowwhatthehellthismeans?Everythingwe'vegot,everythingwe'vedone,everythingwe'vehad,doesn'tmeanadamnthing."Theshockwasprettyserious.HereyouhaveahighlydecoratedWorldWarIIAirForceGeneralwho'sbeenallovertheplace...IthinkheflewB-29sinthePacific...hesaid,"Ifthisisalltrue,ifthisisreal,whatwe'vegot,allourmilitary,ourAirForce,ourbombs,ourplanes,doesn'tmeanathing."Theconclusionsofthestudyafterthreeyearsconcludedthattheyhadbeencominghereforaverylongtime.Thattheyapparentlyhadsomeinvolvementintheoriginsofourspecies.Bigshocktotraditionalpeople,particularlyChristiansandMuslims.Itwasinterestingbecauseapparentlytherewasn'tathreatinvolved.Iftheyhadbeenhostileoraggressiveitwouldhavebeenoveralongtimeago.Now:whatwastheirpurpose?Well,thestudywasnotabletoconcludethat.Itsaidthatthemilitarycommitteewillcontinuethisresearch,whichindicatedto

methatthestudyinsomeformhadcontinued...thatthisdocumentin'64wassimplyaninitialconclusion.

K:Okay.B:Butwhentheyconcludedthattherewerefourdifferentextraterrestrialgroupsinvolved,andoneofthemwastotallyhuman,lookedjustlikeus,thatwasaBIGshocktotheoldtraditionalmindsetofthemilitary.TheAdmiralsandtheGenerals,theycouldn'tdealwithit.K:Italsosaidthattherewassomethingtodowiththereligions,thatallthereligionsoftheworld...B:Well,letmetellyou.Thestudywasnotthatthorough.Itwasabeginning

forme.Itwastheinitiative,theinitialeventthattriggeredmycuriosity.Itlaunchedmeon40yearsofresearch.AndmuchofwhatI'veconcludedhasbeenasaresultoftheyearsofstudysince.Yousee,Icontinuedtodig,Icontinuedtoprobe.Icontinuedtoturnoverrocks.AsIsaid,Idrovemyfriendsupthewall.K:Okayyoulookedatthismaterial,youlearnedalot.Youweren'ttheonlyone.You'veconvincedmeofthat.Supposedlythesepeoplethatyouknewalsoreadit.Theyweren'tyourclosefriends,I'massuming?B:Well,theyweren'tmydearestclosestfriends,no.K:Okaybutwereyouabletotalktothemorhaverelationshipswiththemafteroutsideof1967?Didyouevercomparenotes?

B:Weformed,backinthosedays,whatwecall"theoldboysnetwork".Thisnetworkwasmadeupofpeoplelikemyself,enlistedandcommissioned.Ofallservices,AirForce,Marines,Army,Navy.AsIsaid,allranks.Therewereotherslikemewhoweresoengrossedbythisandexcitedbyitandwhatitmeant.Youhearafewofthemcomingouteventoday,thosethatarestillalive,sayingwhatIsaw,whatIlearned,whatIconcluded.ThereportsIstudied,thecontactsthatIknewhappened.Someofthemhadcontactsthemselves.K:Sure.B:Personalcontactswithsomeoftheseguys(pointingup).PhilCorsowasan


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example.Areyoufamiliarwithwhohewas?K:Absolutely.B:IknewPhilfairlywell.HeandIwerespeakersatseveralconferencestogether.AndinItalyIgottoknowhimprettywell.Philsharedwithmethingsthathehadhadhappentohim.Notjustwhathehadseen,butthathehadpersonalcontactwithanalienatWhiteSands.Hewasinchargeofthesecurityoftherangeonetime.Andsomethingcamein,theradarpickeditup.Hehoppedinhiscarandwentouttoseewhatthehellitwas.ThereisaUFOsittingontheground.There'saguystandingbesideit,andCorsowalksovertohimandsays,youknow,"Whatthehellareyou,whoareyou,andwhereareyoufrom,andwhyareyouhere"?Thisfellowsays,"Ijustcametotalk".Corsoaskshim,"Well,areyouwithus,orareyouagin'us?"Simplemilitarytypequestion.Youknow,areyouwithmeorareyouagainstme?Thisguysays,"Neither,we'reneitherforyouorareweagainstyou".Hehadaconversationwiththisguythatlastedoveranhour.Theguysays,"Pleaseturnoffyourradar,itdisturbsmycontrolormyguidancesystem,soIcanleave."Corsowentbacktotheshop,orbacktotheheadquarters,andturnedofftheradar...andawayhewent.Igottoknowthroughtheoldboysnetworkdozensofguyslikemyself,whowereasexcitedandenthusedaboutthethingasIwas.

K:Buttheydidn'tbecomewhistleblowers.What'sthedifference?B:Someofthemdid.Someofthemlosttheircommissions,someofthemlosttheirrank.K:Canyounamesomebody?Iftheybecameawhistleblower,doIknowthem?B:No,no,no.K:Whathappened?B:Manyofthemjustretiredanddied.K:Okay,sotheytriedtoblowthewhistle,buttheydidn'tgetknown?Theyhaven'tlasted...B:Letmeexplainsomething.K:...butyouhave.B:Iwasoneoftheloudestloudmouths,andthisismynature.IretiredasaCommandSergeantMajor.Andthatrankgivesmetheprivilegetoopenmybigyap

toanybody.TheGenerals,theAdmiralsandeverybodyinbetween,yousee?It'sauniquekindofranktohave.K:Isee.B:TheGeneralsdependonyoutotellthemthetruthwhethertheylikeitornotandsoyoulearntotellthemthetruth.Well,Iturnedouttobeabigmouth.Isatonthisfor...whendidIcomeoutofthecloset,sotospeak?It'sjustaterm...K:Right,okayfrom1967...B:Isatonthisfrom'67to'92or'91?IbelieveIcameoutoftheclosetin'91.

K:Okay,sothat'salongtime.B:Yes.Irespectedmyoath,whichIswore.ItookanoathtonevershareanythingthatIlearnedinaclassifiednaturewhileIwasonactiveduty.IknewthatifIdid,Icouldgotoprisonfor10years,$10,000fine,forfeitureofallpayandallowances,retirementeverything,whatever,forever.K:Okaysoyou'vecomeout.Whathappenedtoyou?B:SoIcameoutin'91ataconferenceinTucson,Arizona.Theresultwasmonumentalaggravationandfrustrationthatthegovernmenthadcontinuedoveralltheseyearstolietothepeople.Notonlyweretheylyingtothepeople,


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theywereruininglivestokeepthelidonthissubject.Ihadenoughofthat.Ihadseengoodfriendsofmine,guyswho...theyhadsaidsomethingtothewrongperson,thewrongwayatthewrongtime,andtheysentthemtoIceland,youknow?K:Theyreassignedthem?B:TheyreassignedthemtoIcelandwithouttheirfamilies.AthreeyearassignmentinIceland.That'sliketheRussianssendingyoutoSiberia.Wehavethisinthiscountry,theabilitytodothat.Thereareassignmentshereandtherethat,youknow,Idon'twanttousethewrongterminologyandembarrassyoubut...you'veheardthetermanusmundi?WehaveplacesontheEarthwherewehavemilitarybases,andiftheysendyouthere,everybodysays,"Bye,we'llprobablyneverhearfromyouagain",youknow?K:Okay,butthatdidn'thappentoyou.B:No,itdidn't.Andletmetellyou...K:Whynot?Doyouknowwhy?B:ThemoreIlearned,themoreIgrewaggravatedIbecame.Andat'91,Ithinkitwas,whenIcameout...WendelleStevensisagoodfriendofmine.Rememberthe"oldboynetwork"?retiredLieutenantColonelAirForcefighterpilotWendelleisstillalivedowninTucson.HeandIwerecloseforyears.WhenIretiredfromtheArmy,IboughtahouseinTucsonandloandbehold,IfoundIwasrightacrossthestreetfromStevens.

Anyhow,hewenttoprison,anditwasatrumpedup,fixedpoliticaldeal.Ialwayssuspecteditwasbecausehehadspokenoutopenlyonthesubject.Nowtherewerepeoplewhosay,"No,no,Wendellejustmadeadumbmistake,andhebrokethelaw",andoffhewent.Hespentthreeyearsinprison.Well,here'sanexampleforyou.Peoplesay,"Well,hescrewedup".WellIneverdidbelievethemanscrewedupthatway.Ithinkthatpartlyhimgoingtojailwasaresultofhimbeingveryoutspoken.Now,that'sathreatthatyouface.In'91Iwasuptohere(putshandtoforehead).Myfirstmarriagewasontherocksforavarietyofreasons.Iwasinanewjob.ItookajobwiththeSheriff'sDept.IwasactuallyworkingforFEMAasanemergencymanagementdirector.ButIwasjustsofrustratedandsoaggravated,waitingforthegovernmenttotellthepeoplealittlesomething.

AndthenIwassofrustratedandangeredbythefactthatnotonlyweretheynottellingthemthetruth,theyweretellingthemblatantlies,andtheywerealsodestroyingpeople'slives.Therewerepeoplewhohadcontacts,whothegovernmentwouldplaceinwhattheycalled,whatisitthepoliceputyouinprotective...?K:Protectivecustody,asafehouse?B:Wellnotjustcustody,theycreateawholenewlifeforyou.K:Ohyeah,okay.B:Ihaveseenexamplesofmilitaryfamilies'livesdestroyedbecause...K:Becausethepersonspokeout?B:Well,apilotcouldcomebackfromamission,andbeforetheygottohimhesaidsomethingtosomebody:"MyGod,youshouldhaveseenwhatIsawupthere!

Therewasthisdamnshipflyingalongbesidemeandtherewerefacesatthewindowslookingatme!"Thiswentpublic.Andthispoorsonofabitch,theytookhimandsenthimtoKwajalein.Ibelieveit'ssometinylittleatollinthemiddleofthePacific,whereyoucan'ttakeyourfamily.AndhewentofftoKwajaleinforgodknowshowlong,awayfromhisfamilybecausehesaidonething.Ilearnedallthesethings.Itstruckmethatthiswasnotfair.Thatthiswasnotright.Thatnogovernment,dammit,hastherighttodothattopeople.IcameoutoftheclosetinaBIGway.


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K:Right.B:NotonlydidIshareeverythingIlearnedatSHAPEinthestudy,TheAssessment,whichisinitselfdynamite.ButtherealdynamiteisallthestuffI'velearnedsince.AndIlearnedevenafterIretiredfromtheArmyin'76.Istillhadclearance.IworkedforFEMA.Igotawhat'sequivalenttoaMaster'sDegreeinemergencymanagementattheInstituteinEmmitsburg,Maryland.K:Okay,buttheydidn'tcomegetyouandsendyouofftoSiberiaorIceland...B:Notheydidn'tbecauseonceIopenedmybigyapIhadpeoplecometometotellme,"Bob,that'syouronlydefense,that'stheonlysecurityyou'vegot.Keeptalking.Becauseiftheycomeandshutyouupnow,it'llbesoobvious..."

K:Oh,Isee.B:...totheworldthatyou'vebeencloseddown,thatwhatyou'vebeentalkingaboutmustbetrue."AsItoldyou,IthinkIsharedwithBill,Iwasintimidated.Ihadphonecallsfrompeoplewhowouldn'tidentifythemselves.Malevoicessaying,"Don'tyouthinkyou'vetalkedaboutthisjustaboutenough?Whydon'tyouthehell...it'stimeforyoutoshutup."(Mimicsholdingphonetohisear)"Who'sthis?""Nevermind.Keepyourdamnmouthshut."Click.Ihadanumberofthose.IhadalittlehouseinTucsoninacul-de-sac.Ilivedthere,boughtityearsago.Boughtitin'60-something.I'msittingthereonedayreadingorwhatever,andIhear(imitatingsoundofhelicopterrotorblades),averydistinctive

sound.Iknewahelicopter.IknewthesoundofaHueybecauseI'dbeeninVietNam,andtheHueyhasadistinctivesoundallofitsown.Ithought,youknow,isitpassingover?Anditkept(imitatinghelicoptersound)andthedamnthingwassittingovermyhouse.SoIgooutthedoorintothedrivewayandIlookup,andthere'satotallyblackHueytypehelicopter,notmorethan100feetabovemyhouse,violatingFAArules,youknow,totallyviolatingtherules.Thedamnthingwassittingupthereandtherewasnotamarkingonit.Notonemarkonit,itwastotallyblackandthatwasaviolationofFAA,youknow.Nowtheseguysviolatethelawallthetime.IstoodoutthereandIthought,"Whothehellareyou"?Ilookedupandstudiedit,andtherewasthisbigcircularglassyapparatusonthebottomofthis

thing.Itwaspartoftheaircraft.AndIconcludedlaterthatitprobablywasoneofthose360-degreewindows.Therewereprobablyguyssittingintherelookingatmedownthroughthisglass.Butitwasblack,totallyblack.Theglasswasblack.Thethingwasjustsittingupthere,kindoflikenyah,nyah,nyah,youknow.Imeanwhatareyougoingtodoaboutit?SoIshookmyfistpointedmyfinger,mouthedacoupleofprofanities.Calledthemanumberofnames,(pointingupwithfinger)"Iknowyou,yousonofabitch!IknowwhoyouareandIknowwhatyou'redoing!"K:Okay.B:AndaboutthistimeI'mreallygivingthemhell.I'msuretheythought,"Allright,wegothisattention",andoffitwent.Firstofall,totallyblack,nomarkings...aviolation.It'shoveringoveraprivateresidence...aviolation.

K:Sure.B:Youknowtheydon'tcare.Itwasanintimidation.ThiswasrightafterIhadgonepublicatthisconferenceinTucson.K:Okay.Sotellme,youhadfriendsinhighplaces,becauseIknowyou'vespentsometimeinWashington.Who'sprotectingyou?Because...isithuman,isitextraterrestrial...?B:LetmetellyouwhatIthink,andthisisjustmytwocents.IthinkthatafterIcameoutpubliclywithabigmouth,andspokeandbegantospeakregularlyatthattime.From'91on,Itraveledtheworld,goodGod;I'vebeen


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to18countries.Ithinkgoingpublicandbeingoutintheopenprobablywaswhatsavedme.OtherthanthephonecallsandtheblackHueyandalltherestofit.YouknowI'vehadpeoplecomeuptomeatconferences,guyswhowouldnotintroducethemselves,andwithsuits,youknowwhatthetermsuitsmeans?K:Sure.Bob.Threepiecewithvest...K:(Laughs)B:...typicalgovernmentagencytypething."Uh,you'vebeenspeakingoutprettybluntlyaboutthis,whyareyoudoingthis?""Well,whoareyou?""Nevermind,whyareyoudoingthis"?"Wellfirstofall,thetruthneedstobetold"."Oh,yeah,youthinkyouknowthetruth?""IthinkIknowsomeofit,how'sthat?AsamatteroffactIknowquiteabitofit.That'sevenbetter".AndI'vehadthesehappentoo,overtheyears.Ihadaninterestingtime...IspokeinLeedsataconference.Gotacallfromaguywhoidentifiedhimselfas"MrSweeting".Youknow,typicalUKname,Iguess,"Mr.Sweeting".WefoundoutTonyDoddcheckedoutthephonenumberfromMrSweeting,whocalledmeandsaiditwasimperativethehespeaktomebeforeIwenton.TonyandIbothgotinthephoneboothtogether,crammedinthere.Tony's

listeningasI'mtalkingtoMrSweeting,andhesays,"It'simperativeMrDeanthatIspeaktoyoubeforeyougoon.Whatareyougoingtosay?"AndIsaid,"Well,MrSweeting,ifyou'relocal,whydon'tyoucometotheconferenceandlisten?""Well,no,Ican'tdothat.Ijustwantedtoknowwhatyouplantosay."Isaid,"Iplantosayahellofalot."K:(Laughs)B:AndTonycheckedthenumber.Andguesswhere?There'sanenormousUSNationalSecurityAgencyfacilityinYorkshire,called,ah...K:MenwithHill.B:MenwithHill.I'vedrivenbyit.Tonytookmebyseveraltimes.K:Sure.B:MrSweeting'snumberwasMenwithHill.

K:Okay,sowhat...that'sit?That'sthegistofyourconversation?B:WellthegistoftheconversationwasMrSweetingwouldnotsayanythingtomeaboutwhohewasandwhyhewantedtotalktome.AndItoldhim,"Iain'tgonnasharenothin'withhimoverthephone.Ifhewantstotalktome,cometotheconferenceandI'dbedelightedtotalktohimfacetoface."K:Wellonthatissue,haveyouhadwhistleblowers,people,comeoutoftheclosetandsharestuffwithyousinceyou'reawhistleblower?B:Ohhell,yes.I'vehadpeoplecomeuptomeandsay,"Youknow,I'vebeenwantingtosharethis,Dean...andIthinkIcansharethiswithyoubecauseyouwon'ttakemynameandaddressandphonenumberandturnmein.ButthishappenedtomeandIknowithappenedtoyou."We'veallbeenmembersofwhatwe

callthe"oldboysnetwork".Wewantedtogetitout.Wewantedtogetitouthonestly,upfront,anddemocratically,dammit!K:Soyou'veconvincedmethatyou'reoutthere,butI'mstillnotbuyingitcompletelybecause...doyouthinkthatyou'vehadhealthproblems?Haveyouhadyouknow,mindcontrol,andifnot,thenIhavetoaskyouagain,who'sprotectingyou?B:Wellletmesaythisaboutthat...soundslikeNixon...(Kerrylaughs)Ihave


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sharedthiswithpeopleseveraltimesbecausethey'veaskedmethesamequestion,okay?K:I'msure.B:WhenIbecamenotorious,Isupposeisthebestword,whereI'vespokenbluntly,regularlyalloverthedamnplanet,andallovertheUnitedStates,toaconsiderableamountofpositiveresponsefrompeople.Notonlymilitarythankingmeforgoingpublic,andI'veanumberofoldclosewarmfriendsthathaveretiredtoalevelofsomedegree.AgoodfriendinRoswell,aretiredArmySergeantwhoafterhewentpublic,hissonwaskilledbyahitandrun.Andtheyalwaysconcludedthatitwastheresultofhisgoingpublic.K:CliffordStone.B:Cliffordlosthisboy.K:Weinterviewedhim,yeah.B:Cliffordisaveryclosefriendandhisboywaskilledrightafterhehadpublishedhisbook.Nowyousay,"Oh,coincidence".Bullshit!IhaveseenalotofcoincidencesinmytimeandIdon'tbelieveinit.K:Okay.B:Idon'tbelievethereissuchathingascoincidence.Ineverybody'slife,thereisnocoincidences.It'salllaidout.Cliffordislikemenow;he'sturnedintoarecluse._____________________________

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